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(Guardian)   According to the World Health Organisation (WHO), the likelihood of a woman dying in childbirth in the US is five times greater than in Greece   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 268
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2010-03-14 05:08:28 AM
Infinite Monkeys In Front Of A Computer: To be fair, Greek women have huge vaginas. They actually don't even give birth. The baby just kind of...falls out at 9 months.

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2010-03-14 05:09:09 AM
basemetal: Meh, you probably have to factor in all of the people who nature said no to, but got fertility treatments anyway, and paid the price for pissing off nature. That and all of the fattys who are diabetic.

THIS

As a researcher, I always get a kick out of these reports. They come out whenever someone wants to push something political (is there some healthcare issue going on in the US right now? hmm) and always has the risk overblown.

I especially love the part FTFA where it says:

"The US ranks 41st in the WHO's league table of maternal mortality, with a risk of women dying in childbirth at one in 4,800. Top of the league is Ireland with one in 47,600, which has partly to do with the small population"

Ok, if you're going to fark around with the numbers like this and you attribute lower deaths from birth because of a smaller population, UR DOIN IT RONG. Population should be controlled for when putting out statistics like this, unless you are putting out pure bullshiat. Which these people are.

tl;dr - Article is bullshiat.
 
2010-03-14 05:09:35 AM
It's because they use the Euro, which makes them too poor to die. Die like a man sissy!
 
2010-03-14 05:11:21 AM
Interestingly enough it was my father who died as a result of childbirth.

All I can say to you Farkers is that while it is normally OK to go down on your woman while she is pregnant, you don't want to be there when her water breaks.
 
2010-03-14 05:13:03 AM
Gordon Bennett: Interestingly enough it was my father who died as a result of childbirth.

All I can say to you Farkers is that while it is normally OK to go down on your woman while she is pregnant, you don't want to be there when her water breaks.


So would that be earning your "baby wings"?
 
2010-03-14 05:13:08 AM
Whether or not it's true, at least U.S. doctors don't put out their cigarettes on your belly during delivery.
 
2010-03-14 05:15:38 AM
That wasn't a grossly humorous, over-exaggeration, BTW.
 
2010-03-14 05:16:22 AM
Paulistinian:
As a researcher, I always get a kick out of these reports. They come out whenever someone wants to push something political (is there some healthcare issue going on in the US right now? hmm) and always has the risk overblown.
tl;dr - Article is bullshiat.


Then maybe you should read the actual report before you call bullshiat? If you really are a "researcher" then you should see what their methodology is.
 
2010-03-14 05:23:30 AM
If theres any truth to those numbers at all, that's a hell of a lot of uninsured or undercovered poor people offsetting the insured, whose chances of dying in childbirth are probably bordering on nonexistent. I guarantee this country's rich white folk beat Ireland for the top spot per capita.

The gap. It widens. Nice to see that at least half of America is interesting in keeping it that way. Even when most of them are on the wrong side of the gap.
 
2010-03-14 05:26:28 AM
Cagey B: That's an unfair comparison. People in Greece are not "born", as such, but spring fully-formed from their father's heads.

I see what you did there.
 
2010-03-14 05:27:37 AM
fragMasterFlash:
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Um...is the little baby about to give the big baby an enema?
 
2010-03-14 05:28:08 AM
Didn't they just cancel funding for free pre-natal care? This is a really ignorant stab, and I'm not googling it because I'm heavily under the influence at the moment, but I'm certain the pre-natal care buses that cruised New Orleans are no longer operating.

Anyways, women used to go into battle much the same as men have throughout history everytime the bill for that wonderful meal of sex came due. Some still do.

/thanks mom
 
2010-03-14 05:32:57 AM
My wife nearly died in childbirth. The kid too. But we knew that was a real possibility going into it. It's just that when the shiat actually hits the fan you only then start to really believe it could happen.

2.5 hour c-section and an OR that looked like something out of Apocalypse Now. Not so awesome.
 
2010-03-14 05:37:18 AM
Paulistinian: basemetal: Meh, you probably have to factor in all of the people who nature said no to, but got fertility treatments anyway, and paid the price for pissing off nature. That and all of the fattys who are diabetic.

THIS

As a researcher, I always get a kick out of these reports. They come out whenever someone wants to push something political (is there some healthcare issue going on in the US right now? hmm) and always has the risk overblown.

I especially love the part FTFA where it says:

"The US ranks 41st in the WHO's league table of maternal mortality, with a risk of women dying in childbirth at one in 4,800. Top of the league is Ireland with one in 47,600, which has partly to do with the small population"

Ok, if you're going to fark around with the numbers like this and you attribute lower deaths from birth because of a smaller population, UR DOIN IT RONG. Population should be controlled for when putting out statistics like this, unless you are putting out pure bullshiat. Which these people are.

tl;dr - Article is bullshiat.


What? How do you control for size of population of the country? It's an indirect factor that affects everything. This isn't size of sample population here.

You are a researcher? Sure, whatever that means. I research porn.

Lastly, why would you control for size of population?
USA government and retards: Yeah we suck at childbirth rates, but that's because we have a big population. If our population size was the size of ireland's, we would do as well or better.
USA mothers that don't get prenatal care: Ok... I'll imagine our population is a lot smaller, maybe the chances of my survival increases.
 
2010-03-14 05:39:02 AM
WhyteRaven74: Apropos of nothing, anyone want some Doritos from China?
/of course it's hot, the pic, no idea about the chips


電気アンマis Japanese for "electric massage". It's kind of like a noogie, except it's on yer ballz. I've only see my elementary school students doing it once or twice. Used to be popular in pro wrestling.

Now it's more popular in lesbian porn. Like scissoring. I don't know if the actresses actually like it or not. Omnis_evil_boyfriend tried it once and Omnis_evil_vagina was not amused.
 
2010-03-14 05:41:54 AM
Quit breeding.
 
2010-03-14 05:42:52 AM
America - Proud to lead the way from the first world to the third world.
 
2010-03-14 05:47:17 AM
Paulistinian: I especially love the part FTFA where it says:

"The US ranks 41st in the WHO's league table of maternal mortality, with a risk of women dying in childbirth at one in 4,800. Top of the league is Ireland with one in 47,600, which has partly to do with the small population"

Ok, if you're going to fark around with the numbers like this and you attribute lower deaths from birth because of a smaller population, UR DOIN IT RONG.


What research? The risk is presented as deaths per childbirths. That normalizes the two populations. 1/4,800 and 1/47,600. I suppose you could normalize to Ireland, then the US risk would be 10/47,600 and Ireland 1/47,600, but that would be kind of silly.

The population size is relevant in that it would be practical for the pregnant women in Ireland to find care. And if the pregnant Irish women find it they can obtain prenatal care. US, not so.
 
2010-03-14 05:49:32 AM
Huh. World Kool-Aid Organization, more like it. Anything to tear down the USA and the BEST HEATHKIT IN THE WORLD I supp-hose.
 
2010-03-14 05:50:00 AM
Omnis_evil_twin: WhyteRaven74: Apropos of nothing, anyone want some Doritos from China?
/of course it's hot, the pic, no idea about the chips

電気アンマis Japanese for "electric massage". It's kind of like a noogie, except it's on yer ballz. I've only see my elementary school students doing it once or twice. Used to be popular in pro wrestling.

Now it's more popular in lesbian porn. Like scissoring. I don't know if the actresses actually like it or not. Omnis_evil_boyfriend tried it once and Omnis_evil_vagina was not amused.


that post combined with the what you said in your profile make me both attracted to and deathly scared of you.
 
2010-03-14 05:54:29 AM
Nearly a third of all deliveries in the US are by caesarean section, which is a rate twice as high as that recommended by the WHO. Caesareans carry a risk of death three times as high as natural birth.

Seeing the headline, I immediately thought of C sections. The US has an assembly line mentality when it comes to childbirth and is notorious for making Cesareans standard. It is easier and faster for the hospital (hell, they can schedule your delivery), and few women complain since the alternative has been made to sound so barbaric and painful.
 
2010-03-14 05:54:35 AM
Death rates among women in pregnancy and labour have doubled in the US from 6.6 per 100,000 in 1987 to 13.3 per 100,000 in 2006.

I'ma just point out the obvious. There may have been an influx of people who might negatively impact that statistic over that span of time.

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2010-03-14 05:59:25 AM
1. Because they don't get proper term treatment, because of high cots.
2. Overall care is substandard for a developed nation.
3. High costs.
4. The policy is to give them unnecessary cesareans so they can charge you a fortune.
5. No, there is no free market when health care policy is dictated by a few insurance groups.
 
2010-03-14 06:01:44 AM
Amnesty International would make native African birth survival rates higher than the US just to get money.

Nothing to see here. If they don't meet their agenda, they cannot survive.
 
2010-03-14 06:01:53 AM
Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: There may have been an influx of people who might negatively impact that statistic over that span of time.

so....so you're saying that women of Mexican ancestry are more prone to die during child birth than other women?

what gene causes that?
 
2010-03-14 06:02:39 AM
log_jammin: SilentStrider: well, you've convinced me. I'm going to vote republican.

That's why I do. Because both sides are the exact same.


Than relly, you could save yourself the time and not vote at all.
 
jbb
2010-03-14 06:03:21 AM
Ah what this article is basically saying is that they should steal people's money and use it to pay for poor people to have children. Nice
 
2010-03-14 06:04:48 AM
Purplebuzz: Than relly, you could save yourself the time and not vote at all.

why would i do that?
 
2010-03-14 06:06:39 AM
Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Death rates among women in pregnancy and labour have doubled in the US from 6.6 per 100,000 in 1987 to 13.3 per 100,000 in 2006.

I'ma just point out the obvious. There may have been an influx of people who might negatively impact that statistic over that span of time.


Lol, just to fill your racist ass in, many immigrants are going home because they would rather take their chances in a 3rd world country instead of getting 5 bucks an hour for scrubbing toilets for spoiled entitled brats that think they should graduate from high school and instantly get 6 figure paying jobs. Wont it be funny when your kids are crossing the border to the south to get jobs washing dishes or worse? But of course you'll just take the high road and disown them if they did because when America becomes the trailer park it's destined to become you'll probably already have your lot picked out with little pink flamingo's picketing around an astroturf lawn. Keep dreaming that american dream buddy.
 
2010-03-14 06:09:55 AM
Maybe the fact lies somewhere with American's inability to accept criticism of anything to do with America?

Look at it this way. You are the best at killing babies and mothers at birth. Well at least you beat Greece at it.

USA, USA, USA...
 
2010-03-14 06:11:34 AM
The Greeks have been known to seduce their women by turning into swans and other creatures. Have the effects of these unusual conception methods been adequately studied and factored in?
 
2010-03-14 06:16:52 AM
Cagey B: That's an unfair comparison. People in Greece are not "born", as such, but spring fully-formed from their father's heads.

+1!

Or grow from his thigh...
 
2010-03-14 06:19:14 AM
"Mothers die not because the United States can't provide good care, but because it lacks the political will to make sure good care is available to all women."

It's a democratic country. Apparently the majority of voters believe that babymaking is something you do on your own dime. (Damn. I actually agree with the government on something...) Those who wish to assist the underclass in producing impoverished children are free to donate for that purpose. Even WHO officers could contribute to such a worthy cause, if they can spare the time away from being outraged.
 
2010-03-14 06:25:12 AM
I think that alternative birth practices being trendy are to blame for this. I had regular prenatal care and hemorrhaged during delivery. If I hadn't been in the hospital I'd be dead. Instead, I got a shot.
 
2010-03-14 06:25:28 AM
DEADLY DELIVERY The Amnesty International Report (new window)
 
2010-03-14 06:25:34 AM
Cagey B: That's an unfair comparison. People in Greece are not "born", as such, but spring fully-formed from their father's heads.

Well played. I lol'd.
 
fdr
2010-03-14 06:30:21 AM
log_jammin: hmmm...lets see...*throws dart*

"The World Health Organization is run by liberals and the UN has bad countries who violate civil rights, therefore this study is wrong and it's just a way to make people more dependent on government. Oh. And this one form of cancer has a higher mortality rate in the UK than in the US. So there libtards."


So what are the correct numbers?
 
2010-03-14 06:35:34 AM
fdr: log_jammin: hmmm...lets see...*throws dart*

"The World Health Organization is run by liberals and the UN has bad countries who violate civil rights, therefore this study is wrong and it's just a way to make people more dependent on government. Oh. And this one form of cancer has a higher mortality rate in the UK than in the US. So there libtards."

So what are the correct numbers?


really? The *throws dart* and putting the whole comment in quotes wasn't obvious enough for you?
 
2010-03-14 06:37:33 AM
log_jammin: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: There may have been an influx of people who might negatively impact that statistic over that span of time.

so....so you're saying that women of Mexican ancestry are more prone to die during child birth than other women?

what gene causes that?


It's not a gene, it's a cultural issue. Don't go to the doctor, don't do any prenatal care (even though in California there are FREE clinics that are set up specifically to cater to spanish speaking illegal immigrants) and see what happens. Not to mention getting knocked up in rapid succession. The level of education and industrialization in Mexico is widely varied. Lots of people (especially those of native extraction) literally came from one room huts with all the education that implies, and a BABY BABY BABY GET KNOCKED UP EARLY mentality. Where I live the misconceptions people have about how to deal with common ailments are so severe that they do regular health PSAs over the spanish language radio stations periodically because that is the only way to educate people. Over stuff like what to do with diaper rash. Even then people don't always listen, preferring folk remedies instead.

People have to hook into wider social systems to get educated about stuff. If you don't speak the dominant language and you don't socialize or interact with other adults outside a social circle that is only comprised of people from your background with your education level or go out and read books or consciously attempt to educate yourself that is what happens. You think someone's fourth grader is going to come home from school and tell their mom about prenatal care? Or germ theory? What's 'common knowledge' to you isn't common knowledge to them. There are areas that are so dominantly Mexican now that people don't have to have much contact with non-spanish speakers or non-hispanics if they don't want to. Some people just make the choice to stay inside their comfort zone without having any idea of what other stuff is out there.
 
2010-03-14 06:37:52 AM
Yeah, but America has the best health care in the world because America is the best place in the world and we don't need to think about changing anything because everything is awesome, and even if it isn't that's only because of the illegal immigrants and minorities who are ruining it for everyone else, but the WHO and the UN and all those other international organizations are all a bunch of liars anyway who are just tearing America down because they are jealous so this article is bullshiat go USA!!!1!eleven!
 
2010-03-14 06:43:14 AM
Wittenberg Dropout: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: Death rates among women in pregnancy and labour have doubled in the US from 6.6 per 100,000 in 1987 to 13.3 per 100,000 in 2006.

I'ma just point out the obvious. There may have been an influx of people who might negatively impact that statistic over that span of time.

Lol, just to fill your racist ass in, many immigrants are going home because they would rather take their chances in a 3rd world country instead of getting 5 bucks an hour for scrubbing toilets for spoiled entitled brats that think they should graduate from high school and instantly get 6 figure paying jobs. Wont it be funny when your kids are crossing the border to the south to get jobs washing dishes or worse? But of course you'll just take the high road and disown them if they did because when America becomes the trailer park it's destined to become you'll probably already have your lot picked out with little pink flamingo's picketing around an astroturf lawn. Keep dreaming that american dream buddy.


LOL wut?
0/10
 
2010-03-14 06:46:22 AM
Excellent article.
 
2010-03-14 06:46:45 AM
The number went up from 6 to 13 deaths per 100,000 because of older, overweight women in the US who died from complications of a C-section birth. Thats 3X the risk factors walking in the door. This story was out about 8 weeks ago in the US.
 
fdr
2010-03-14 06:46:45 AM
log_jammin: fdr: log_jammin: hmmm...lets see...*throws dart*

"The World Health Organization is run by liberals and the UN has bad countries who violate civil rights, therefore this study is wrong and it's just a way to make people more dependent on government. Oh. And this one form of cancer has a higher mortality rate in the UK than in the US. So there libtards."

So what are the correct numbers?

really? The *throws dart* and putting the whole comment in quotes wasn't obvious enough for you?


Damm you got me.
 
2010-03-14 06:50:20 AM
ambercat: It's not a gene, it's a cultural issue. Don't go to the doctor, don't do any prenatal care (even though in California there are FREE clinics that are set up specifically to cater to spanish speaking illegal immigrants) and see what happens.

That completely contradicts the "illegals are whats making health care 'spensive!" talking point I always hear.
 
2010-03-14 07:01:10 AM
USA! USA! USA!
 
2010-03-14 07:01:43 AM
That's unpossible, we have the most expensive health care system in the world.
 
2010-03-14 07:04:51 AM
Tomflry7: That's unpossible, we have the most expensive health care system in the world.

And LASERS.
 
2010-03-14 07:05:18 AM
The numbers in this report may or may not be accurate. It is fairly well established that the UN in general, and WHOand Amnesty International in particular have an anti-U.S. bias. Within the article, there are a couple of comments that should raise one's suspicions.

While claiming that there is inadequate access to health care in the U.S. it also reports that a third of births in the U.S. are C-section. Are these done at home? It also reports on the high number of minority women giving birth without health insurance. Would that number in any way correlate to the number of illegitimate births? We already know that children living in single parent homes are far more likely to live in poverty than children where both parents are lving together. Could it be that the lack of personal responsibility toward pregnancy and child-rearing (by fathers even more than mothers) puts mothers at greater risk than health care funding methodology?

The last paragraph ia the real kicker. "Amnesty says that the death rate in the US is probably even higher than it appears, because there is no federal requirement for the reporting of deaths in childbirth." This is eerily reminiscent of NOW's claim that only one in three rapes is reported, or violence against women is far more prevalent than is reported. How do they know? Is the reporting in every other country absolutely accurate?

I am not arguing that we don't have health care problems in this country. I would argue that groups like WHO and Amnesty Internatioanl lend nothing credible to the debate. Also from the article: Whatever form they finally take, President Obama's healthcare reforms will not resolve the crisis of unavailable and unaffordable maternal care, says Amnesty

Don't you guess Obama, Ried, and Pelosi along with all of their staffers who have been working so hard on the huge health care bill would be heartened to know that their work is futile because Amnesty International says so?
 
2010-03-14 07:13:43 AM
Mr. Right: Is the reporting in every other country absolutely accurate?

The reporting is inline with what's already known. Also if check the methodology, it checks out. Oh and c-sections aren't all the same, quite a few are emergency c-sections, some percentage of which are required owing to a lack of proper pre-natal care.
 
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