[FAIL] tag conspicuously absent. That whole scenario is full of fail.

ATS is laughing all the way to the bank.

AntiNorm: Typical flow of a traffic camera thread on Fark:

* Anti: "Good. Those things are revenue generators."
* Pro: "Too bad. Don't want to pay the fine? Don't run the light."
* Anti: "But...but...my rights!"
* Pro: "You don't have the right to run red lights."
* Anti: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAAARRRRGARBL"

Your post doesn't fit the very mold you're biatching about. Not one bit.

$446 per ticket???

$400+ for running a red light?! I thought the $75 I had to pay in GA for making a right turn without stopping completely at a red light was outrageous! (Fought and lost in court. The lane going right even made its own lane, turning a one lane road to the left of the intersection into two lane road to the right the intersection, also bypassing the light - so I don't know why I needed to stop...)

AntiNorm: Typical flow of a traffic camera thread on Fark:

* Anti: "Good. Those things are revenue generators."
* Pro: "Too bad. Don't want to pay the fine? Don't run the light."
* Anti: "But...but...my rights!"
* Pro: "You don't have the right to run red lights."
* Anti: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAAARRRRGARBL"

Gosh. You're so levelheaded about this and not a dick at all.

Wagnerian Omnibus: AntiNorm: Typical flow of a traffic camera thread on Fark:

* Anti: "Good. Those things are revenue generators."
* Pro: "Too bad. Don't want to pay the fine? Don't run the light."
* Anti: "But...but...my rights!"
* Pro: "You don't have the right to run red lights."
* Anti: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAAARRRRGARBL"

Your post doesn't fit the very mold you're biatching about. Not one bit.

This.

AntiNorm is either trolling or has never entered a thread about traffic cameras.

AntiNorm: tbyte: AntiNorm is either trolling or has never entered a thread about traffic cameras.

I'm actually well known for telling people to follow the rules of the road. I'm quite experienced at entering these threads. My f*rst p*st is usually what ends up happening in them.

You do, of course, mean that it's happening from your point of view, which, from your post, is that of an utter douche and therefore easily ignored, as it refuses to acknowledge any other view of reality.

AntiNorm: tbyte: AntiNorm is either trolling or has never entered a thread about traffic cameras.

I'm actually well known for telling people to follow the rules of the road. I'm quite experienced at entering these threads. My f*rst p*st is usually what ends up happening in them.

Gotcha. So it's #1, trolling.

ramblinwreck: stopping completely at a red light

So you thought that was optional?

Beat me to it, joeyromeo. Well played

95629: $446 per ticket???

My speeding ticket in California, 81mph on a highway, was the same amount. I was going the same speed as everyone else. Outfarkingrageous.

AntiNorm: I'm actually well known for telling people to follow the rules of the road. I'm quite experienced at entering these threads. My f*rst p*st is usually what ends up happening in them.

If that's your approach each time, then you have no one to blame but yourself for these threads descending into insult and vacuous argument. The position implicit in your post shows no acknowledgement whatsoever of the nuance inherent in the red-light camera issue.

3rdLostPassword: ramblinwreck: stopping completely at a red light

So you thought that was optional?

Every time you take a right at an intersection when the light is red, you stop completely? RIGHT. Did you even read the rest of my description of the intersection? The right hand lane by-passed the light, creating its own lane...

As I've said on many a Fark thread:
1) Ride a motorcycle
2) wear a helmet with a shield that hides your face
3) drape a conveniently located fanny pack over your license plate
4) Profit!

/if you're worried about getting pulled over b/c of the pack, rig a string to it and pull it up when you see a cop. Most likely they won't see it.

ramblinwreck: 3rdLostPassword: ramblinwreck: stopping completely at a red light

So you thought that was optional?

Every time you take a right at an intersection when the light is red, you stop completely? RIGHT. Did you even read the rest of my description of the intersection? The right hand lane by-passed the light, creating its own lane...

Doesn't matter if you always obey the rules or not, the rules exist and if you break them you can get caught. Crying about it doesn't change that. Pleading ignorance doesn't help either

tbyte: Wagnerian Omnibus: AntiNorm: Typical flow of a traffic camera thread on Fark:

* Anti: "Good. Those things are revenue generators."
* Pro: "Too bad. Don't want to pay the fine? Don't run the light."
* Anti: "But...but...my rights!"
* Pro: "You don't have the right to run red lights."
* Anti: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAAARRRRGARBL"

Your post doesn't fit the very mold you're biatching about. Not one bit.

This.

AntiNorm is either trolling or has never entered a thread about traffic cameras.

Yeah. He left out the part where the pro side insists that without the camera, cars careen through intersections willy-nilly, with good drivers being t-boned every 100 yards and cars flipping like porpoises filled with dynamite.

Fano: ...cars flipping like porpoises filled with dynamite.

Mental image acquired.

Good. Red light cameras are a seeping boil upon the buttocks of the world.

ramblinwreck: 3rdLostPassword: ramblinwreck: stopping completely at a red light

So you thought that was optional?

Every time you take a right at an intersection when the light is red, you stop completely? RIGHT. Did you even read the rest of my description of the intersection? The right hand lane by-passed the light, creating its own lane...

It didn't. It really didn't. The law is perfectly clear: stop shy of the stop bar if there's a stop bar. If not, stop shy of the crosswalk. If no crosswalk, stop shy of the intersection.

You remind me of the guy that called me to complain about his speeding ticket. He sounded like Kenneth from '30 Rock' and went into this long, ridiculous explanation: "I'm from Cobb County, but I was using surface streets because of work being done on the connector. There were two 30mph speed limit signs, but you couldn't see either one, and I took pictures. He said I was going 52 but I wasn't driving any faster than anyone else."

Me: "What's the speed limit in urban and residential areas in the state of Georgia unless posted otherwise?"

Him: "Huh?"

Me: "Right. 30 miles per hour."

Him: (Incredulous) "How am I supposed to know that?"

Me: (cutting my wrists with a letter opener)

ramblinwreck: when the light is red, you stop completely

Yes. It's called defensive driving. It works on the assumption that some fool will be ignoring their surroundings and do something stupid.

I'm not going to leave my life in the hands of people like you.

socialist police state

Too bad. Don't want to pay the fine? Don't run the light.

3rdLostPassword: ramblinwreck: stopping completely at a red light

So you thought that was optional?

we are in California, where the 'California stop' was invented and practiced daily....

95629: $446 per ticket???

I resemble that post code

and hey it is in a state with a massive budget problem, under no conditions should that be construed to imply that they are charging these fees to pay for their overspending.

no clever name here just move along: we are in California

The article, sure, but buddy here is talking about Georgia... not that it should actually make any difference.

GaryPDX: City council members may vote next month to drop the red light camera program entirely.

The best part of the whole article.

BTW, people probably don't know this but, by and large, there are DSL high speed data connections on those cameras. They're not just snapping a picture when the light changes. They monitor real time video feeds. All they have to do is apply license plate recognition (or face recognition) and they're tracking people wherever they go.

/the more you know

In NJ it was fiber feeds that did the cameras, and that let people in Newark control traffic lights 40+ miles away without any knowledge of local traffic patterns totally fubaring traffic.

GaryPDX: They monitor real time video feeds.

Most places that use these cameras actually indicate that the machines only upload the video if an infraction was triggered. It is then usually reviewed by employees of the camera company before being passed on to authorities.

You may or may not believe this, depending on your level of tinfoil-hattedness.

3rdLostPassword: ramblinwreck: when the light is red, you stop completely

Yes. It's called defensive driving. It works on the assumption that some fool will be ignoring their surroundings and do something stupid.

I'm not going to leave my life in the hands of people like you.

Since your reading comprehension is lacking and your ability to construct mental images from words sucks, I think I'll just let it go...

Ihopethisnamewillfi: ramblinwreck: $400+ for running a red light?!

I know, right? Running a red light is almost a non issue because nothing bad could possibly come of it.

How much do they fine people who actually collide with others as a result? I mean over $400 they may as well revoke your license.

BasqueBastard
As I've said on many a Fark thread:
1) Ride a motorcycle...

I like the way you're thinking, but it won't work for me here in Utah. Never seen so many stupid, dangerous drivers in my life. When I moved here, it took me about three months to sell my 35 mpg subcompact so I could get a truck. Wanted as much metal between me and the idiot behind me as possible.

California Traffic Tickets Fines (Effective 01/06/2010)

Violation / Total Fine Due

VC 12814.6 $214
Failure to obey license provisions.

VC 14600(A) $214
Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 days
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 16028(A) $796
Failure to provide evidence of financial responsibility (insurance)
Note: This fine may be reduced with proof of insurance on or after the violation date.

VC 21453(A) $436
Failure to stop at a red signal.

VC 22350 $214
VC 22349
Unsafe Speed, 1 to 15 miles over the limit.

VC 22350 $328
VC 22349
Unsafe Speed, 16 to 25 miles over the limit.

VC 22450 $214
Failure to stop at a stop sign.

VC 22454(A) $616
Passing a school bus with flashing red signals.

VC 23123(A) $148
Drive using wireless phone not hands free, First offense

VC 23123(A) $256
Drive using wireless phone not hands free, For each subsequent offense.

VC 23123.5(A) $148
Drive while wireless device to send, read or write text.

VC 23124(B) $148
Minor drive using wireless phone.

VC 22500(I) $976
Parking in a bus loading area.

VC 22507.8(A through C) $976
Violation of disabled parking provisions, first offense.

VC 22507.8(A through C) $1876
Violation of disabled parking provisions, second offense.

VC 26708(A) $178
Unlawful material on vehicle windows.

VC 27150(A and B) $178
Adequate muffler required

VC 27315(D and E) $148
Mandatory use of seat belts.

VC 27360(A and B) $436
Mandatory use of child passenger restraints
Note: This fine may be reduced by completing a court authorized child seat diversion program.

VC 27400 $178
Headsets/Earplugs over both ears.

VC 27803 (A through C) $178
Motorcycle safety helmet requirements.

VC 34506.3 $616
Commercial Driver - Log book violation

VC 4000(A) $256
No evidence of current registration.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 4159 $178
Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 5200 $178
Display of license plates.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 9400 (A through C) $178
Commercial weight fees due.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

I'm sorry, I guess I don't often go into red light camera threads. I haven't seen a reason why they're inherently bad. Do they ticket people who didn't run the red light or something?

otherwise, what's the problem? you run a red light in front of a cop, you get a ticket. you run a light in front of a camera, you get the same.

/I'm sure I'm missing something, and I'm sure whoever points it out will be very civil about it.

ramblinwreck: reading comprehension

You think you have the ability to judge when a commonly understood law is applicable or not.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

rga184: I'm sorry, I guess I don't often go into red light camera threads. I haven't seen a reason why they're inherently bad. Do they ticket people who didn't run the red light or something?

otherwise, what's the problem? you run a red light in front of a cop, you get a ticket. you run a light in front of a camera, you get the same.

/I'm sure I'm missing something, and I'm sure whoever points it out will be very civil about it.

Do you feel that it would be appropriate, in a free nation, to post police officers on every street corner?

rga184: I'm sure I'm missing something

You aren't missing anything.

Fano: Do you feel that it would be appropriate, in a free nation, to post police officers on every street corner?

Irrelevant and unrelated reply is irrelevant and unrelated. Also, derp.

Fano: Do you feel that it would be appropriate, in a free nation, to post police officers on every street corner with a high rate of crime?

Back atcha.

This is a free country! I should have the right to disregard laws and get away with it! What is this 1984?!

Joan of Fark: 95629: $446 per ticket???

My speeding ticket in California, 81mph on a highway, was the same amount. I was going the same speed as everyone else. Outfarkingrageous.

What was the posted limit...70? I set my speed control at 9 mph over the posted limit and never even get looked at by cops, but lots of folks are passing me and it seems that every cop I see has one of them pulled over.

AntiNorm: "WAAAAAAAAAAAAH WHAAARRRRGARBL"

Did you have a point to make?

RottNDude: California Traffic Tickets Fines (Effective 01/06/2010)

Violation / Total Fine Due

VC 14600(A) $214
Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 days
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

VC 4159 $178
Notify DMV of change of address within 10 days.
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.

Um, what?

3rdLostPassword: Fano: Do you feel that it would be appropriate, in a free nation, to post police officers on every street corner with a high rate of crime?high potential for revenue?
Back atcha.

FTFY

Aren't a high crime rate and a potential for lots of tickets issued based on that crime synonymous?

Hoopy Frood:
Um, what?

VC14600(A) = Drivers license change of address
VC 4159 = Registered vehicle owner change of address