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(Some Guy) Asinine Australia may lower the blood alcohol limit for motorists to .02, meaning they'd returned to the good old days when 98% of the residents were prisoners   (couriermail.com.au) divider line 132
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HumbleGenius
2010-03-13 12:11:24 PM
What do you expect from a country that gave us Hitler.
 
Playinodds
2010-03-13 12:14:11 PM
its interesting because the article gives correlation between countries with .02 limits and low road deaths, but now causation. There are probably tens of factors involved in the lower road death rates in those countries.
 
angelslogic
2010-03-13 12:14:32 PM
lolz
 
Frizbone
2010-03-13 12:14:35 PM
Lower the speed limit on the highways to 35 in order to increase revenue. We need laws to turn decent people into criminals.
 
Vexed Thespian
2010-03-13 12:15:02 PM
so if i have say... three drinks and i weigh 180 pounds, how long until that alcohol is COMPLETELY gone from my system? (this might as well be zero BAC)
 
rcain
2010-03-13 12:16:01 PM
Playinodds: its interesting because the article gives correlation between countries with .02 limits and low road deaths, but now not causation. There are probably tens of factors involved in the lower road death rates in those countries.

Meet the brain trust behind this study
sirrealpolitik.files.wordpress.com
 
lockers
2010-03-13 12:16:12 PM
Just make it illegal to think about alcohol while driving. This beating about the bush is pointless.
 
Lars The Canadian Viking
2010-03-13 12:16:26 PM
This is what happens when young people don't vote. As we have an aging population there is less tolerence of the excesses of a youngr lifestyle. Back when the boomers were yonger, drinking and driving was much more tolerated and socially acceptable, now that they are old we get stuck with a do as I say, not as I do attitude.

Oh, and f*ck MADD.
 
6655321
2010-03-13 12:18:44 PM
Make the blood alcohol requirement apply to all-- including lawmakers and public employees and officials.
 
Barakku
2010-03-13 12:19:25 PM
Playinodds: its interesting because the article gives correlation between countries with .02 limits and low road deaths, but now causation. There are probably tens of factors involved in the lower road death rates in those countries.

To be fair, it would be rather hard to set up an experimental design for a control country and a test country.
/It'd be pretty awesome though
 
Norad [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:20:36 PM
It'll be interesting to see what the media will do with this when someone is busted with oh, let's say a .24 BAC.

Now instead of being 'three times the legal limit', the media can scream "THE DRIVER WAS ARRESTED FOR BEING TWELVE TIMES THE LEGAL LIMIT!! AAAAAAAHHH!!!"
 
Santa's_Dog
2010-03-13 12:21:45 PM
What is going on in Australia? Did they make a deal with other Western countries to make the most outrageous and invasive laws possible so that other countries would say, "Well, I don't like the laws here, but it's not as bad as those Australians. I guess I can't complain."

Screw that place. Please censor the internet, it's not that great anyway. Please make it so that if I so much as smell alcohol I can't drive. Please take away all of my rights.

/plus they bombed Pearl Harbor.
 
MilitaryTigger
2010-03-13 12:22:11 PM
Of course people MIGHT, amazingly, consider the RADICAL idea of NOT freaking driving if they've had anything to drink...

.
/Have a plan; if you find your plan drunk in the corner at the end of the night, CALL SOMEONE! Don't drink then drive.
//Push your elected reps to push for JAIL TIME for drunk driving convictions
///People who drink then drive are selfish, ego-centric f**kers whe think their convenience is more important than the safety of every person near where they drive.
 
TsukasaK
2010-03-13 12:24:06 PM
MilitaryTigger: Of course people MIGHT, amazingly, consider the RADICAL idea of NOT freaking driving if they've had anything to drink..

It is scientifically proven fact that you must have a certain amount of alcohol in your system before you are in any way imparied. .02 could be achieved by a single farking beer.

Die in a fire, please.
 
HumbleGenius
2010-03-13 12:25:29 PM
I've never understood this whole 'wishing death upon someone who disagrees with you' thing.
 
TsukasaK
2010-03-13 12:26:27 PM
HumbleGenius: I've never understood this whole 'wishing death upon someone who disagrees with you' thing.

It's a natural response I see no reason to suppress when someone is being unbelievably stupid. Or trolling, i'm not sure which.
 
jaytkay
2010-03-13 12:26:49 PM
Good to see the outrage when our right to drive drunk is infringed upon. The Founding Fathers would be so proud (yes, I know TFA is about Australia, not the US).

passaicnews.files.wordpress.com
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:27:39 PM
And texting/talking on a phone while driving gets you a ticket, if that.
 
Abner Doon
2010-03-13 12:28:10 PM
MilitaryTigger: Of course people MIGHT, amazingly, consider the RADICAL idea of NOT freaking driving if they've had anything to drink...

I'd be willing to bet that using a car radio, sleeping 6 hours instead of 8, talking to a passenger, and a whole host of other common things are vastly more dangerous than having .02 BAC. Should those be illegal?
 
MilitaryTigger
2010-03-13 12:28:25 PM
TsukasaK: .02 could be achieved by a single farking beer.


Unable to plan properly or simply no friends you can call?

If you plan to drink, simply stay in your Mom's basement.

/TTRDAB
 
dsade
2010-03-13 12:28:59 PM
jaytkay: Good to see the outrage when our right to drive drunk is infringed upon. The Founding Fathers would be so proud (yes, I know TFA is about Australia, not the US).

.02 is not drunk. .05 is not drunk.
 
Norad [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:30:13 PM
Hey, why not go whole hog? What's this farting around shiat? Let's cut to the chase:

*Outlaw parking lots at pubs, bars and nightclubs.

*Mandatory breathalyzers on every vehicle.

*Devoted police resources for weekly roadblocks every week of the year.

No one has a problem with that, right?
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:30:36 PM
jaytkay: Good to see the outrage when our right to drive drunk is infringed upon. The Founding Fathers would be so proud (yes, I know TFA is about Australia, not the US).

This is an article about the BAC limit being either .05 or .02. I think you're abusing the word drunk with that picture.
 
pdee
2010-03-13 12:31:42 PM
The main thing I saw lacking in thier case was all the fatal craches caused by drivers with a BAC of more than .02 and .05 or less. I have seen stats that show the big problem is people who are REALLY DRUNK not those who have had a couple.
 
006andahalf
2010-03-13 12:31:49 PM
HumbleGenius: I've never understood this whole 'wishing death upon someone who disagrees with you' thing.

Any disagreement identifies that the one disagreeing is an existential threat to your continued existence and must be destroyed at any and all costs. This is related to the prevalence of the zero-sum mentality and both an enabler and by-product of the siege complex. People find comfort in feeling persecuted as it rationalizes their lashing out at the world.

Either that or someone made a point so mind-numbingly stupid that they have forfeited their continued existence.
 
Gunz_drawn
2010-03-13 12:31:52 PM
Vexed Thespian: so if i have say... three drinks and i weigh 180 pounds, how long until that alcohol is COMPLETELY gone from my system? (this might as well be zero BAC)

An average males B.A.C. would drop around .015 per hour.

/DUI class.
 
Show us your Marx
2010-03-13 12:32:15 PM
MilitaryTigger: .
//Push your elected reps to push for JAIL TIME for drunk driving convictions


And here is the problem with you people. The solution to all crime and moral misbehavior is jail time?

Why don't we do some risk management and instead of throwing everyone in the clink and hiring more cops to sit around and do checkpoints, why don't you push your rep for more efficient public transportation to and from popular drinking areas so that the temptation to drive gets mitigated?

Naw, we just need to have a draconian set of laws since EVERYONE is a criminal.
 
HumbleGenius
2010-03-13 12:33:56 PM
006andahalf: HumbleGenius: I've never understood this whole 'wishing death upon someone who disagrees with you' thing.

Any disagreement identifies that the one disagreeing is an existential threat to your continued existence and must be destroyed at any and all costs. This is related to the prevalence of the zero-sum mentality and both an enabler and by-product of the siege complex. People find comfort in feeling persecuted as it rationalizes their lashing out at the world.

Either that or someone made a point so mind-numbingly stupid that they have forfeited their continued existence.

lol, I've obviously not given the matter enough serious thought.
 
TsukasaK
2010-03-13 12:34:39 PM
MilitaryTigger: Unable to plan properly or simply no friends you can call?

If you plan to drink, simply stay in your Mom's basement.

.02 is not drunk, buzzed, or even slightly impaired. You farking moron.
 
006andahalf
2010-03-13 12:35:16 PM
Show us your Marx: Naw, we just need to have a draconian set of laws since EVERYONE is a criminal.

It makes the "law-abiding" feel better to simply label people as criminals as it throws them in a class they can feel free to persecute without guilt. Any of that namby-pamby gray area BS just gives criminals the mistaken sense that they are our peers.
 
HairBolus
2010-03-13 12:35:27 PM
Playinodds: its interesting because the article gives correlation between countries with .02 limits and low road deaths, but now causation. There are probably tens of factors involved in the lower road death rates in those countries.

In the Scandinavian countries they have a lot of rules which help including the requirement that no car can turn off its headlights. One large cause of road-deaths there outside of the cities is collisions with Mooses where you really need all of your unimpaired reaction time to avoid such situations.
 
Norad [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:36:09 PM
MilitaryTigger: People who drink then drive are selfish, ego-centric f**kers whe think their convenience is more important than the safety of every person near where they drive.

Huh. Just like I believe that people who make wholesale blanket generalizations are unthinking moronic assholes who see the world in absolutes, nothing but black or white.

Wait. I just called myself an asshole. Oh well, so be it.
 
006andahalf
2010-03-13 12:37:13 PM
HumbleGenius: lol, I've obviously not given the matter enough serious thought

I've got it on copy-pasta for every "no one debates anymore" thread.
 
Crosshair [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:37:22 PM
TsukasaK: Die in a fire, please.

+1 The dose makes the poison/impairment. The law needs to focus on the people with a .23 bac, not someone with a .12.

The original MEDICAL RESEARCH put the cutoff at .15 BAC where it could be assumed BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT that the person was too impaired to drive. The people with >.15 BAC are not the problem.

You'll note that you never see actual honest tests on driving ability nowadays at different BAC levels. That's because MADD knows damn well that they would show that a .08 or even a .10 limit is too low. MADD would rather convict 100 innocent people than let one guilty person go free.

Oh sure you'll occasionally see some claustrophobic conned in driving course that most of us couldn't pass while sober. Then they make the people drive it at 30 MPH when most people would slow down in such a tight environment, even after they had a few drinks.
 
aimtastic
2010-03-13 12:40:38 PM
Is there any unbiased consensus as to the margin of error for these devices? Because it seems to me that nothing is perfect and .02 is damn close to zero.
 
MilitaryTigger
2010-03-13 12:41:27 PM
TsukasaK: Die in a fire, please.

Strangely, the only people I've seen die in a fire were a drunk driver and his three buddies. Crashed into a really old tree on base at about 65. Tree didn't move. Car went up like it was in a dang movie(cars almost NEVER actually blow up like that). All 4 were flaming marshmallows by the time we arrived on scene. Witnesses to the actual impact said they saw movement in the car as they were roasting, but we didn't see it. Most DUI accidents I've dealt with involve deaths by plain ol' impact forces.

/Selfish people never believe they are selfish.
 
Twigz221
2010-03-13 12:43:31 PM
MilitaryTigger is pretty obviously just trolling, and you're all feeding him.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]
2010-03-13 12:45:49 PM
MilitaryTigger: TsukasaK: Die in a fire, please.

Strangely, the only people I've seen die in a fire were a drunk driver and his three buddies. Crashed into a really old tree on base at about 65. Tree didn't move. Car went up like it was in a dang movie(cars almost NEVER actually blow up like that). All 4 were flaming marshmallows by the time we arrived on scene. Witnesses to the actual impact said they saw movement in the car as they were roasting, but we didn't see it. Most DUI accidents I've dealt with involve deaths by plain ol' impact forces.

/Selfish people never believe they are selfish.

What was his BAC?

/and was he also on the phone
 
moops
2010-03-13 12:46:25 PM
Do they still have public breathylizer stations in Darwin? That town takes drinking seriously.
 
MilitaryTigger
2010-03-13 12:47:34 PM
TsukasaK: MilitaryTigger: If you plan to drink, simply stay in your Mom's basement.

.02 is not drunk, buzzed, or even slightly impaired.

Mom locked the liquor cabinet on you didn't she?
 
HumbleGenius
2010-03-13 12:48:22 PM
I try not to fear death but I've always feared being trapped in a fire. Just horrific. Even if you survive you'll probably wish you hadn't.
 
MilitaryTigger
2010-03-13 12:50:30 PM
Mugato: What was his BAC?

/and was he also on the phone

No cell phone, this was back in the early 90's when the only folks with cells were doctors and drug dealers.

No info on the BAC, just info from folks at the party they left that he had imbibed 5ish beers within the last hour before they left.
 
TsukasaK
2010-03-13 12:51:28 PM
MilitaryTigger: Strangely, the only people I've seen die in a fire were a drunk driver and his three buddies.

Except that .02 is not drunk (okay, maybe if you were an INFANT...).

Your constant repeating of the opposite will not somehow morph the fabric of reality into your will.

You are irrevocably stupid, and should probably bugger off to your MADD meeting in 26 minutes.
 
HumbleGenius
2010-03-13 12:53:33 PM
TsukasaK:

You are irrevocably stupid, and should probably bugger off to your MADD meeting in 26 minutes.

Let's stay calm. Maybe he's just drunk.
 
TsukasaK
2010-03-13 12:54:01 PM
MilitaryTigger: Mom locked the liquor cabinet on you didn't she?

Mom had a few too many drinks when she was pregnant with you, didn't she? Either than, or a beer bit you when you were a wee lad or something.
 
lokiminio
2010-03-13 12:58:55 PM
MilitaryTigger: TsukasaK: MilitaryTigger: If you plan to drink, simply stay in your Mom's basement.

.02 is not drunk, buzzed, or even slightly impaired.

Mom locked the liquor cabinet on you didn't she?

Sounds to me like you're the one living with Mommy. Maybe you should go out and have a beer instead of spewing your sheltered child nonsense.
 
MilitaryTigger
2010-03-13 01:01:50 PM
TsukasaK: Except that .02 is not drunk .

Your constant repeating of the opposite

Your inability to display reading comprehension is kinda sad...

I've never once, in any of my posts said nor implied that .02 was drunk.

I've been discussing the topic of drunk driving in general.

/Too much experience dealing with aftermaths of drunk drivers.
 
lockers
2010-03-13 01:03:32 PM
We need to go further. Washing your mouth with scope or even using hand sanatizer before driving should be grounds for a life sentence. There is simply no room for any tolerance in this world, right?
 
HagarTheHorrible
2010-03-13 01:04:17 PM
Just a guess, but it seems like there's a point of diminishing returns around here somewhere.
 
bunzer
2010-03-13 01:05:02 PM
I started driving in 1967. Drinking and driving was a right and almost manatory. There were less accidents and damage to people and property then than there is now. All this MADD stuff and holier than thou crap is just a front for cities and local governments make sure everybody like cpos, lawyers, judges and the cities GET PAID. It always comes down to money. Trust me
 
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