Another tax on people just because they have the money and not because it's based on anything logical? The RIAA is like the government, without the power.

RIAA can DIAF

Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

BunkoSquad: Isn't there some way this struggle can end with the RIAA and terrestrial radio both dying?

If there's not one at the moment goddamnit we'll find one. farking ourselves for fun is what we do best.

/Works in radio
//Would be getting a kick out of these replies
///if i wasn't dead inside.

BunkoSquad: Isn't there some way this struggle can end with the RIAA and terrestrial radio both dying?

Whoever loses... we win.

Knucklepopper: Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

Calm your butthurt. The RIAA is known for this.

BunkoSquad: Isn't there some way this struggle can end with the RIAA and terrestrial radio both dying?

This really is the ideal situation, and we should all work together towards this.

There are way too many record execs and musicians out there who are driving one less Bentley than they should. Please, please think of them before you turn on your radio and listen to stolen music.

If you're going to talk about someone getting their "fair share," then my guess is the AutoTune folks would be in line before the "artists."

Because on the rare instances that I actually do hear the acoustic abortion that is terrestrial radio, I'm hearing way more AutoTune than I am talent.

Knucklepopper: Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

The "Music First Coalition" is directly funded by the RIAA.

Walker: One of the reasons satellite radio and internet radio companies like Pandora are having a hard time surviving is because they have to pay royalties for every song they play, while terrestrial radio doesn't. This is clearly not a level playing field. Why is it allowed? The official explanation has always been "Well...that's the way it's always been since the 1950's". Well there was no satellite radio or internet in in the 1950's. It's time to level the playing field. I have no sympathy that terrestrial radio is now being asked to pay royalties.

The answer isn't to make it harder for Terrestrial Radio to survive, the answer is to make it easier for new competition to compete. The RIAA is just flailing because they refused to adapt their business model to changing times and instead of actually putting in the effort to make changes, they're trying to bleed everyone else for tribute instead.

Knucklepopper: Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

Well, considering that the RIAA stands to gain a hell of a lot more money in royalties since they own the Sound Recording rights to the songs more often than the publishing rights, I"d say you're a total jackass and don't know what the fark you're talking about.

Here, learn something (new window)

offtopic, does totalfark give you the option to remove any posts that quote someone you ignored? if not is there a firefox extension?

El Chode: Well, considering that the RIAA stands to gain a hell of a lot more money in royalties since they own the Sound Recording rights to the songs more often than the publishing rights, I"d say you're a total jackass and don't know what the fark you're talking about.

How did you possibly miss the simple point that the RIAA is not only not mentioned anywhere in the NYT story but artists, who presumably, you support (presumably), are asking for royalties from airtime?

RembrandtQEinstein: offtopic, does totalfark give you the option to remove any posts that quote someone you ignored? if not is there a firefox extension?

No, but you'll get over it.

why all the vitriol against terrestrial radio? news, traffic, weather...

i mean i hate the 10 minutes of ads for 10 minutes of content too, but i don't want to pay a subscription fee to get the traffic report.

Knucklepopper: RembrandtQEinstein: offtopic, does totalfark give you the option to remove any posts that quote someone you ignored? if not is there a firefox extension?

No, but you'll get over it.

I'm pretty sure he won't be seeing your post.

Here you go, Einstein.

Walker: One of the reasons satellite radio and internet radio companies like Pandora are having a hard time surviving is because they have to pay royalties for every song they play, while terrestrial radio doesn't. This is clearly not a level playing field. Why is it allowed? The official explanation has always been "Well...that's the way it's always been since the 1950's". Well there was no satellite radio or internet in in the 1950's. It's time to level the playing field. I have no sympathy that terrestrial radio is now being asked to pay royalties.

There's the assumption that radio stations aren't paying for the music at all, and that's wrong. I used to own a radio station, and had to buy the music we played from a service because the record companies deemed most stations "too small" to make it worth their while to provide promotional copies. I also had to pay about 6% of my adjusted gross revenue to licensing agencies with initials. It was a major expense on my balance sheet, and adding any more would result in either reducing staff or services -- you know, the things you guys all biatch about being missing from your local radio stations.

The people who used to pay for advertising -- the local businesses -- are gone in most markets, WalMart-ed out of the way. And WalMart, by the way, does not advertise on local radio stations. That entire retail revenue stream is now gone.

The playing of music was always considered, by both the broadcasters and the record companies, as exposure that would drive music sales. If this goes through, and I still owned a station, I'd start billing the record companies and artists for advertising their product.

One local station here has offensive ads against it, going so far as to play the race card and act as if it is localy owned and not part of a conglomerate. They also have ads pretending to be alternative news segments.

Payola has eroded any other sympathy I might have had for the NAB not wanting to pay like everybody else. I'd just as soon see internet and satellite radio be free too, but in the alternative, they should all pay.


How messed up the royalty societies and labels are with regard to paying artists is another matter.

El Chode: The RIAA is just flailing because they refused to adapt their business model to changing times and instead of actually putting in the effort to make changes, they're trying to bleed everyone else for tribute instead.

That's not correct. The arrangement in the 50's was that radio would get to play the songs for free because it was such great exposure for the song. Everyone figured the money would come in on the back end because of the promotion. Fast forward to today, where no song is identified, no artist mentioned. The new "business model" you speak of it that the listener has no way of being the monetization of the music, because they don't know the artist until the record company has already paid for them to be advertised. The fact is that terrestrial radio is the one not holding up their end. No promotion, no free ride.

Bodine Wilson: One local station here has offensive ads against it, going so far as to play the race card and act as if it is localy owned and not part of a conglomerate. They also have ads pretending to be alternative news segments.

Payola has eroded any other sympathy I might have had for the NAB not wanting to pay like everybody else. I'd just as soon see internet and satellite radio be free too, but in the alternative, they should all pay.


How messed up the royalty societies and labels are with regard to paying artists is another matter.

I'm just curious how they baked the race card into it. I love all the creative ways it's injected, but this one puzzles me. How did they do it?

As a radio station employee, I'm not getting a kick out of these replies.

Knucklepopper: Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

You're a fool. Just because you didn't find "RIAA" when you ctrl+Fed the article, that doesn't mean they're not involved. FTA:

"In response, the MusicFirst Coalition, a group that includes the record companies and hundreds of artists, began an ad campaign of its own, though on a much smaller scale."

http://www.musicfirstcoalition.org/supporters/coalition (new window)

The RIAA is a farking founder member. This has their fingerprints all over it.

"I know a guy that will pay you 10 bucks to sing into his can. More if you're coloured."

-Oh Brother where art thou-

An awesome flick!

Know what, when the artists mentioned in the story are the likes of Billy Corgan and Nancy / Frank Sinatra, I have a problem feeling sympathy for them because they're not getting their 'due'. As for OTA radio, what's that?

RembrandtQEinstein: offtopic, does totalfark give you the option to remove any posts that quote someone you ignored? if not is there a firefox extension?

This is something you google on your own so no one knows what a d-bag you are, blocking people who disagree with your world view. And I dont even know what your opinion on this was...we could agree for all I know.

sonofslacker: OTA radio, what's that?

off the air. i.e. traditionally broadcast with a big-ass antenna and picked up by you with another smaller antenna.

Prank Call of Cthulhu: If you're going to talk about someone getting their "fair share," then my guess is the AutoTune folks would be in line before the "artists."

Because on the rare instances that I actually do hear the acoustic abortion that is terrestrial radio, I'm hearing way more AutoTune than I am talent.

Well, if you lived in Seattle, you could tune in to KEXP and find actual music by actual artists on your FM dial. Unfortunately, you'll just have to stream the broadcast online or via their new iPhone app.

thenewflesh: Knucklepopper: Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

You're a fool. Just because you didn't find "RIAA" when you ctrl+Fed the article, that doesn't mean they're not involved. FTA:

"In response, the MusicFirst Coalition, a group that includes the record companies and hundreds of artists, began an ad campaign of its own, though on a much smaller scale."

http://www.musicfirstcoalition.org/supporters/coalition (new window)

The RIAA is a farking founder member. This has their fingerprints all over it.

LEAVE KNUCKLEPOPPER ALONE!!!

The_Original_Roxtar: sonofslacker: OTA radio, what's that?

off over the air. i.e. traditionally broadcast with a big-ass antenna and picked up by you with another smaller antenna.

ftfm

"The artist" can go fark themselves if they don't write their own shiat. Oh you have a good voice? Great, we've seen American Idol, there are plenty of people like you.

You want to collect some money, try showing that you have some actual talent and write a song or two.

As much as people bash Lady Gaga, myself included, I have more respect for her than most other pop music stars because she actually writes her own shiat and also doesn't rely on autotune.

The_Original_Roxtar: why all the vitriol against terrestrial radio? news, traffic, weather...

Fark. GPS with RDS-TMC. The F4 button on my Mac.

i mean i hate the 10 minutes of ads for 10 minutes of content too, but i don't want to pay a subscription fee to get the traffic report.

Screw broadcast radio. It's like the AOL of the public airwaves.

The_Original_Roxtar: The_Original_Roxtar: sonofslacker: OTA radio, what's that?

off over the air. i.e. traditionally broadcast with a big-ass antenna and picked up by you with another smaller antenna.

ftfm
Thanks guys. Guess I should have put up the sarcasm tags ;-). I still listen to over the air radio, but mostly to an over the internet station (woxy.com FTW).

EighthundredmillionthFarker: Knucklepopper: RembrandtQEinstein: offtopic, does totalfark give you the option to remove any posts that quote someone you ignored? if not is there a firefox extension?

No, but you'll get over it.

I'm pretty sure he won't be seeing your post.

Here you go, Einstein.

The awesome thing about his fark handle is that no matter how polite and helpful you are to him, it comes out sounding sarcastic.

Here you go, Einstein.
Nice job, Einstein.
Good thinking, Einstein.

The_Original_Roxtar: i mean i hate the 10 minutes of ads for 10 minutes of content too,

How else do you propose we make any farking money at all?

You "free" traffic isn't free.

Kar98: The_Original_Roxtar: why all the vitriol against terrestrial radio? news, traffic, weather...

Fark. GPS with RDS-TMC. The F4 button on my Mac.

i mean i hate the 10 minutes of ads for 10 minutes of content too, but i don't want to pay a subscription fee to get the traffic report.

Screw broadcast radio. It's like the AOL of the public airwaves.

make me some tea: I gave up with corporate radio about 15 years ago. Usually my radio is tuned to the local NPR affiliate. Except when there's a pledge drive.

I live about halfway between two NPR affiliates, so when one is doing a pledge drive, I simply switch to the other. Lucky me!

Knucklepopper: Odd how the RIAA doesn't factor into this story at all.
Yet another false proclamation posted only to draw emotive jackasses who can't be bothered to read the story. Yes, bushbot111, I'm looking at you. But don't worry, you'll soon find yourself in fine company.

So today you're white-knighting for ClearChannel and RIAA?

Knucklepopper: How did you possibly miss the simple point that the RIAA is not only not mentioned anywhere in the NYT story but artists, who presumably, you support (presumably), are asking for royalties from airtime?

You're right, they're not mentioned, just in the same way that a political article about the "Administration" has nothing to do with President Obama.
midigod: El Chode: The RIAA is just flailing because they refused to adapt their business model to changing times and instead of actually putting in the effort to make changes, they're trying to bleed everyone else for tribute instead.

That's not correct. The arrangement in the 50's was that radio would get to play the songs for free because it was such great exposure for the song. Everyone figured the money would come in on the back end because of the promotion. Fast forward to today, where no song is identified, no artist mentioned. The new "business model" you speak of it that the listener has no way of being the monetization of the music, because they don't know the artist until the record company has already paid for them to be advertised. The fact is that terrestrial radio is the one not holding up their end. No promotion, no free ride.

Historically, you're right. But that's not the point of what I was saying. Radio has not ceased to become the exposure, and songs are still Identified. But between the rampant payola that's still going around to the consolidation of ownership and shift in format to Top-40 for all genres (as opposed to pop only), combined with radio's inability to make ends meet as it is, the problem isn't lack of exposure, it's just exposure to a limited set. You're only exposing your audience to 5% of your catalogue, so you're not gonna make a return.

Making it harder for stations to turn a profit isn't going to do help the situation. Making it more expensive to play music only reduces the amount of songs heard as commercials necessarily increase.

ShadowPenguin: The_Original_Roxtar: i mean i hate the 10 minutes of ads for 10 minutes of content too,

How else do you propose we make any farking money at all?

You "free" traffic isn't free.

Tax the rich?

The only traditional station I ever listen to is CD101 and NPR.

Everything else is crap

Kaiser Bill's Batman: Walker:
There's the assumption that radio stations aren't paying for the music at all, and that's wrong. I used to own a radio station, and had to buy the music we played from a service because the record companies deemed most stations "too small" to make it worth their while to provide promotional copies. I also had to pay about 6% of my adjusted gross revenue to licensing agencies with initials. It was a major expense on my balance sheet, and adding any more would result in either reducing staff or services -- you know, the things you guys all biatch about being missing from your local radio stations.


You had Expenses on your Balance Sheet? You may want to find a different accountant.

ShadowPenguin: How else do you propose we make any farking money at all?

I don't care. You figure it out.

I prefer talk radio over Clear Channel playlists so I'm kinda okay with this. Keep making that music garbage more and more expensive so there's less of it on every farking station.

When I wanna hear music, I plug in an iPod or CD.

BunkoSquad: Isn't there some way this struggle can end with the RIAA and terrestrial radio both dying?

Only if enough people both stop listening to terrestrial radio and stop buying RIAA products (not piracy, before the corporate drones attack, just buy independent).

Sadly, too many people are programmed to support the RIAA to make this a realistic outcome.

bushbot111: Tax the rich?

I brought up selling the poor to third world labor camps.

Pretty sure promotions is looking for sponsorships as we speak.

Radio is pointless now that MP3 players exist. I get total control over what gets played in high-quality audio with no commercials.

I can't figure out why anyone would use radio for anything other than listening to emergency broadcasts.