Police were seeking a search warrant when Beauchamp gave them consent to search his room, where the gun was found, the chief said.

He did not have a concealed weapons permit, Lowe said, and it is against college policy to store a weapon on campus.

He was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Wednesday and released on Thursday.

You have to have a concealed weapons permit to keep a gun in your room?

/also, never EVER consent to any police search request
//EVER

NeedleGuy: Police were seeking a search warrant when Beauchamp gave them consent to search his room, where the gun was found, the chief said.

He did not have a concealed weapons permit, Lowe said, and it is against college policy to store a weapon on campus.

He was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Wednesday and released on Thursday.

You have to have a concealed weapons permit to keep a gun in your room?

/also, never EVER consent to any police search request
//EVER

From some Florida gun law web site:

Unless covered under the exceptions, it is unlawful to openly carry on or about the person any firearm, or to carry a concealed firearm on or about the person without a license.

Exceptions:

* Persons having firearms at their home or place of business.

so why was this guy put in jail? What law did he break?

When I lived in a dorm I got by with a switchblade. Ah, the good old days.

Occam's Chainsaw: NeedleGuy: /also, never EVER consent to any police search request

One of the fun things you sign away when you take residence in a college dorm is the right to refuse to consent to a search.

Then why were (was?) the police seeking a search warrant? Not trying to be snarky... just that the story doesn't add up. Of course, we are talking Florida here...

wyltoknow: NeedleGuy: so why was this guy put in jail? What law did he break?

...It's also against the law to carry on campuses.

Ahhh... I also think it's against the law to send ammunition through the mail (Since small arms ammunition is classed by DOT as a division 1.4S explosive material), so I'm surprised the ammunition company would be doing that. Of course, a dollar is a dollar.

Just read the article. That's my alma mater!

They didn't even have dorms when I was there. I had to carry my switchblade in my briefcase.

Hmmm. If it's state property you are on, I think that kind of changes things.

So, the police enforce campus policy?

NeedleGuy: wyltoknow: NeedleGuy: so why was this guy put in jail? What law did he break?

...It's also against the law to carry on campuses.

Ahhh... I also think it's against the law to send ammunition through the mail (Since small arms ammunition is classed by DOT as a division 1.4S explosive material), so I'm surprised the ammunition company would be doing that. Of course, a dollar is a dollar.

No it's not against the law. It just needs to be properly marked ORM-D. And you can't use USPS. Have to use something like UPS or Fedex.

The powder is considered hazardous material, so is the primer. But when shipped as a complete cartridge it is considered differently.

I just know the basics. It's usually cheaper to get ammo online.

erewhon: So, the police enforce campus policy?

Depending on state law, some states restrict carrying firearms on university campuses. Some only restrict for K-12.

erewhon: So, the police enforce campus policy?

It was the school's police. Had the same thing when I was at Purdue, but since I never had to go inside the place (came close) I don't know much of a full-on police operation it really was. They could ticket your car for parking in the wrong place, I sure know that. Hint: at Purdue, the wrong place is farking EVERYWHERE.

Dude looks creepy. Its probably a good thing he got caught. Its never the good looking folks going on the shooting sprees.
/people should never know you have a gun. It can only bring trouble if you make it known your packing.

Passive Aggressive Larry: erewhon: So, the police enforce campus policy?

It was the school's police. Had the same thing when I was at Purdue, but since I never had to go inside the place (came close) I don't know much of a full-on police operation it really was.

Just did a bit of research, and the campus police at Purdue had the same powers of arrest and law enforcement as city and county police. The college in the article is probably the same way.

Am I the only one who heard "Mmmkay" after reading subby's "Also, guns are bad..."

Police were seeking a search warrant when Beauchamp gave them consent to search his room, where the gun was found, the chief said.

First mistake

Last mistake!

This country is going to shiat faster than I possibly could have imagined. I was required to carry a 9mm to 3rd grade.

/I'm going to start my own country
//Getoffmylawnia

1nsanilicious: Am I the only one who heard "Mmmkay" after reading subby's "Also, guns are bad..."

Nope.

And if so, then I guess I'm a bad, bad man. Got a LTCF to prove it.

NeedleGuy: so why was this guy put in jail? What law did he break?

Whether or not there's any laws regarding campus carry, when you live in a residence, it's typically the "law" -- that mysterious substance you can't quite put your finger on -- that you waive certain rights, such as gun ownership on the property. Because it's not your property.

Which means when he violated that covenant, he was trespassing. He voided his agreement with the campus, and therefore should not have been there, and either knew or reasonably ought to have known that.

Hope that clears up that baffling detail for you.

Poor guy just had his civil rights violated. For the most part, colleges love the first amendment (under certain circumstances), but hate the second amendment. So many tragedies could have been averted if those legally able to concealed carry and highly trained, like all those off duty cops finishing up their criminal justice degrees, or returning combat veterans using their GI Bills could also conceal carry on campus just like they can in any other part of the state.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi: Poor guy just had his civil rights violated.

This is true. If I'm informed before hand that certain actions, such as carrying a weapon on property, will void my right to be on that property, I have every right to do it anyway. In fact, I can walk into your house with a gun, and you don't have the right to consider that a threat. Asking me to leave is a violation of my civil rights, amirite?

In Florida, it is ulawful to possess a firearm on campus. It's Florida statute, not a housing rule or school policy which is why buddy here was taken to jail.

Crash_Test_Dhimmi: So many tragedies could have been averted if those legally able to concealed carry and highly trained, like all those off duty cops finishing up their criminal justice degrees, or returning combat veterans using their GI Bills could also conceal carry on campus just like they can in any other part of the state.

True, but most of them are smart enough to not live ON CAMPUS, under these kind of idiotic rules.

The foolish 21 year old had to know it was against policy, but did it anyway. Fault is his.

Do laws/rules like this limiting the rights of adults on campus suck and tick off otherwise law abiding citizens? Yes they do. But they are the law. Don't like them? Move elsewhere, where the stupid law doesn't apply. Better yet, work within the framework of the law and get it changed to be right. Simply griping about it is just preening and wasting hot air.

Right or wrong, until it gets changed, it's still the law and you will get punished for breaking it.

/Exact same discussion applies to every pothead thread on Fark...

It's stuff like this that will hit the fan this summer. As of now you have no incorporated human right to bear arms in this country. The appellate decision will make for good times here at Fark. The question of whether a state or city may infringe your right to bear arms on a state campus will be most interesting.
/course this kid did not even have a permit and was clearly wrong as others have pointed out.

GAT_00: Yeah, most campuses are gun-free, period, and those laws supersede the 2nd Amendment, or at least they must because I'm sure someone would have struck them down by now.

I'm surprise there hasn't been a serious challenge to those laws... which do NOT "supersede the 2nd Amendment", because that's not allowed.

Beauchamp, a transfer student from Johnson & Wales University in Providence, R.I., started at FAU in the fall

I'm calling abuse of the Florida tag.

GoldSpider: GAT_00: Yeah, most campuses are gun-free, period, and those laws supersede the 2nd Amendment, or at least they must because I'm sure someone would have struck them down by now.

I'm surprise there hasn't been a serious challenge to those laws... which do NOT "supersede the 2nd Amendment", because that's not allowed.

The problem with the constitution is we tend to end our legal arguments there, not start.
So this is just something they happen to overlook.
Its like a student complaining about being whipped and beaten getting charged with trespassing. Because his non-consent to being whipped and beaten was in violation of schools pro whipping and beating policy.
...and it doesn't explicitly say you cant be whipped and beaten on a college campus.

/almost exactly the same
/amIright?!

There is only one law in America: Do not piss off anyone with prosecutorial power without sufficient political power or easily accessible legal resources.

Do and they'll find something to charge you with. You'll get jailed for a while and a fine er.. bill from your lawyer, at least. Don't and you'll never get charged.

Occam's Chainsaw: Oh, and even though you have said moral obligation, don't be surprised when you're prosecuted under said unjust law.

Whose "morals"? Who decides what is an "unjust law"?

In our (here in the US) wonderful representative republic, the answer to both questions is "our elected officials".

Simply claiming YOUR morals determine for you that a law is unjust and you shall then violate it is simply hedging to anarchy. If on the other hand you believe the law is unjust because it violates precedent, then work through the court system in place to fix it. On the other, other hand if you feel it is unjust because a proportionate number of members of your community are against it, elect officials with the same mindset to fix it from within that legal arena.

Sitting on your sofa in a college dorm, cleaning your pistol or toking a joint while telling your buddies "Yeah, Fark Authority" is just being a criminal bag of hot air.

/Or you can simply move off campus/to A-dam

This happened in Florida? I thought you could buy guns/ammo out of vending machines down there?

mr_sparkle: In Florida, it is ulawful to possess a firearm on campus. It's Florida statute, not a housing rule or school policy which is why buddy here was taken to jail.

Which is why you should live off campus.

I'd like to see the 4th amendment taken a bit more seriously by colleges specifically and student housing in general, and rent protections more stringently enforced by landlord fines, etc. Entire businesses are built around taking advantage of inexperienced renters and that needs to stop.

But in this case the dude gave permission to a searcher while a warrant was being sought. Nothing really wrong with this, FL is a gun-free universities state iirc, so meh.

//Not that that should stop anyone any more than schools being 'drug free zones' should keep students from having bongs or bottles of booze about. A certain amount of civil disobedience is in order regarding what are really bill-of-rights violations.


MilitaryTigger:
Sitting on your sofa in a college dorm, cleaning your pistol or toking a joint...

Is a severe violation of both basic firearm safety and plenty of laws that have nothing to do with gun bans. Operating or cleaning a firearm intoxicated is the legal (and, let's face it, practical) equivalent of driving while intoxicated. You're getting a hefty fine and a revoked concealed carry license if no one gets hurt, and if you make a mistake and injure someone enjoy your jail time, you earned it.

I have no reason to doubt the kid's explanation that it was a target pistol primarily, though.

Oh, "or". My bad, reading comprehension fail.

TFA: He was booked into the Palm Beach County Jail on Wednesday

Why? What's the charge? Is it now against the law to break campus policy, or did they have him arrested for trespassing immediately after suspending him?

The article mentions that he didn't have a CCW, but, last I checked, you didn't need one to keep a firearm in your place of residence.

If you want to live on campus you agree to abide by a rule set. He would not have been arrested for breaking those campus-created rules.

It is however a violation of FL law to be in possession of a firearm without a permit if you are within 1000 feet of a school.

Cars, private homes etc are exempt.

Oh good!
Since everyone is disarmed in the gun-free zone on campus, I now know where to stage my next mugging and rape spree!

Thanks, FL universities, for protecting violent criminals from dangerously armed victims.

The last people you want with guns are those college edumacted types.