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2010-03-11 08:09:30 AM
JonnyJustice: Point being that there would be no benefit to smoking weed if you are in good health. That is dumb?
Okay then.
Perish the thought that you completely miss the thrust of one sentence of thought.


Except there is a benefit. Increased socialization, lowered anxiety, increased creativity. Alteration of consciousness is a valid pursuit in and of itself. Mind you, there's no immediate short-term health benefit that outweighs the potential risk factors, but that applies to everything from miniature golf to public oration.
 
2010-03-11 08:10:37 AM
lakefivedi: I have been a wake and bake for forty years...Never miss a day of work...Pay my taxes...Deal with a bunch of dumb farks every day who want to push their ignorant bullshiat onto others...Have car insurance...Toke while driving...That has been always, and fill up the bowl, will always be...Don't care if the boss suspects me of being high...He has had his differences with me, but...Am in the top 5% of the food servers of the USA!..Dealt with my fair share of crap throughout...Home paid for...Photoshop for the Fark of it...Am in a state with medical marijuana, but have never been to a doctor so can't prove no ailments, but smoke it just the same.
There are a lot of STONERS who actually provide sunshine in life. I play with and treat others with respect whether or not
they are smoking a bowl with me by the dumpster, although I get a bit frustrated when one tells me they would vote for Sarah Palin to run our country. smoke on.........


I would advise one or two sober days a month. Just so you can see what your body is telling you. Pain tells us important things (infections, etc).

My bf's uncle died from metastasized brain cancer because he smoked pot everyday and missed the pain signals his body was telling him. Might have been able to catch it early.


/also important for people who imbibe alcohol everyday, and other mind altering substances.
 
2010-03-11 08:10:48 AM
Phil Herup: Somehow I don't think you actually believe what you say there. I mean if you really did think that people could do whatever they wanted, your tone would be very different than it is

Don't you thinK?


No, I don't think. What you do or say has no direct influence on my life. Nor does what I say or think have any direct influence on yours.

I simply think on a personal level that glorifying or justifying smoking marijuana is foolish and non-sense. If you want to that is fine but in my opinion it is childish, and unhealthy. I live with a massive pothead, my girlfriend smokes a lots of weed, I smoke occasionally. It is not a terrible thing. But to justify it as if it completes you, or to make it a lifestyle just seems dumb and unhealthy to me. That is all. I see it all the time. I live in Canada, where it is just barely illegal, it is nothing I am unfamiliar with. I don't judge anyone for it. I just don't care for it, and I see how it negatively affects people. It is a waste of mind, health, money and time. So, I feel passionately about it, I have an opinion about it but the choice is yours.
 
2010-03-11 08:11:38 AM
Weaver95: addiction isn't a moral weakness

agree. who's to say addiction is bad? when do daily routines become addiction? like TFA mentioned, the morning coffee vs the morning toke. lots of things we do as humans, like responsibility, is an addiction.

/man
//dude, like.
 
2010-03-11 08:13:46 AM
Except there is a benefit. Increased socialization, lowered anxiety, increased creativity. Alteration of consciousness is a valid pursuit in and of itself.Mind you, there's no immediate short-term health benefit that outweighs the potential risk factors,but that applies to everything from miniature golf to public oration.

The lowered anxiety can be a health factor. I have a friend who would blow his brains out or go postal if he wasn't a regular user.
 
2010-03-11 08:16:42 AM
Pot. Herb. Ghanja. Dope. Mary Jane. Rope. Stink Weed. Ditch Weed. Sugar Weed. Wacky Weed. Sweet Lucy. Spliff. Cannabis. Marijiana. Weed.

There is probably 420 names for it.
 
2010-03-11 08:17:46 AM
Ahhh, the debate continues. I'm a fairly big smoker (tend to go through cycles of smoking almost daily for a few months, then take a few months off).

For me, it's all about changing my perspective, and nothing jars my mind out of a rut quite like THC (conversely, after months of smoking, quitting has a similar effect).

I'd also have to say that it's been a major contributor to a successful career in a highly creative industry. I doubt this would be the same for everyone, but weed agrees especially well with me. Which brings me to my next point...

I'd say the guy missed a type in his article - the 'angry paranoid who should not smoke'. In 20 plus years of getting baked I've met two confirmed cases.

Both were cheerful, if slightly introverted and soft spoken when straight, but wide eyed angry and paranoid when high. Despite this unpleasant state they both smoked like crazy (and both always had great connections - ah, life's little trade-offs). Maybe the pot smoking was an attempt to deal with something more problematic? Whatever the case you don't want to turn into one of those either.
 
2010-03-11 08:18:35 AM
I would have thought about this article somewhat differently a few years ago, before my son was born.

/still a regular
 
2010-03-11 08:18:54 AM
Could you dudes, like, quiet it down? You're harshing my mellow.
 
2010-03-11 08:19:52 AM
lukelightning: Dear Dad:

For the last time, I'm your farking SON. Every time you get wasted you start calling me your daughter and it creeps the the fark out.

Your SON,
Robert.


ROFL
/good jorb
 
2010-03-11 08:20:08 AM
aiiee: I've worked with the wake and bake crowd, they aren't reliable, don't want nothing to do with them. Other than that, well, I can't get over that.

If they have hit the point of not being reliable they are not the wake and bakers he mentioned, they are stoners.
 
2010-03-11 08:21:28 AM
He missed #5.

People who choose to say "no thanks". Most people are #5.
 
2010-03-11 08:24:19 AM
is_the_mic_on: My dad's drug talk with me went as such:
Dad: Son, it's time for the drug talk.
Me: Okay
Dad: Don't do chemicals or I'll kick your ass.


This was my dad and mine's conversation, almost verbatim. I reminded him that the seven Irish coffees he would have before he came home from work made his argument invalid.

It's a good thing this was before the internet; I would have looked him dead in the eye and said, "Nick Cage's hair is a bird; your argument is invalid." And then I'd have been locked up.

Somehow my comment helped straighten him out. He doesn't drink a drop anymore... although the "Born Again" thing comes out in conversation every now and then - but whatever keeps him from swinging at people with whatever object is handy.

Time for the morning toke and off to work...

/coolstorybro.jpg
 
2010-03-11 08:25:06 AM
fergalicious: Is it just me or did the whole article come off as "I used to smoke pot and I turned out fine, but if you smoke it I will ruin your life because there's a small chance it'll lead you to becoming a PCP-addled crack whore?"

I don't think so.

I think it said "Look there IS a line. You cross this line right here and punishment will be swift and sever"

I think that is appropriate parenting. Let the kid know where the line is and make it clear what happens if they cross it.

Smoke a few times.... meh
Try the hard stuff .... you'll wish you were never born.
 
2010-03-11 08:25:08 AM
Andralynn: lakefivedi: I have been a wake and bake for forty years...Never miss a day of work...Pay my taxes...Deal with a bunch of dumb farks every day who want to push their ignorant bullshiat onto others...Have car insurance...Toke while driving...That has been always, and fill up the bowl, will always be...Don't care if the boss suspects me of being high...He has had his differences with me, but...Am in the top 5% of the food servers of the USA!..Dealt with my fair share of crap throughout...Home paid for...Photoshop for the Fark of it...Am in a state with medical marijuana, but have never been to a doctor so can't prove no ailments, but smoke it just the same.
There are a lot of STONERS who actually provide sunshine in life. I play with and treat others with respect whether or not
they are smoking a bowl with me by the dumpster, although I get a bit frustrated when one tells me they would vote for Sarah Palin to run our country. smoke on.........

I would advise one or two sober days a month. Just so you can see what your body is telling you. Pain tells us important things (infections, etc).

My bf's uncle died from metastasized brain cancer because he smoked pot everyday and missed the pain signals his body was telling him. Might have been able to catch it early.


/also important for people who imbibe alcohol everyday, and other mind altering substances.


There are no pain receptors in the brain. In the head, yes, but not in the brain itself.
Cancer is often called the "silent killer" because (depending on the type) there are no early warning signs (ie: pain).

/pot didn't have anything to do with it. sorry.
 
2010-03-11 08:28:03 AM
mekkab: jakomo002: Is he happy?

Of course not! He's not burning the midnight oil reaching for a middle management position, how on earth could he be happy?! HE DOESN'T EVEN HAVE A PLASMA SCREEN TV!!


This.

Not everybody needs lots of money or high status to be happy. Some of the happiest people I know just go with the flow. They do a little work, play a little music, smoke a little weed, and have a ton of friends.

It is a lot harder to step off the treadmill than it should be.
 
2010-03-11 08:28:44 AM
jcooli09 2010-03-11 06:45:56 AM
dogboy360: Loved TFA.
- factual, humorous, well written.

You have no idea what your talking about, much like the author


I call troll. Farking troll. puff, puff ...
 
2010-03-11 08:30:17 AM
Weaver95: y'know what our problem is? with the war on drugs I mean. Our problem is that we don't treat addiction as an illness. For some reason, our society ignores addiction. Our society assumes that if someone is addicted, then they're weak. And we despise weakness, so we punish them when we find out about it. we create the cycle of shame, drug abuse, prison and more drug abuse and then we blame the addict for the whole thing.

addiction isn't a moral weakness. it's a valid, measurable biochemical condition. it's no different than any other disease, and just as treatable. I'm not excusing crimes committed under the influence of drugs mind you...but what I am saying is that we need to treat addicts for their addiction. locking up addicts only means that when they come out of prison...they're still addicts. you don't lock up a cancer patient and expect them to not have cancer when they get out of jail.

*sigh*

sorry. it's late and the whole 'war on drugs' thing just pisses me off. especially our hypocrisy when it comes to drugs.


This is so false I don't know how anyone can think it. Our society worships addiction, precisely because the addict is not responsible for his actions. That is why new addictions are constantly being invented. It's not that Tiger Woods is a world class athlete who is on the road who has women throwing themselves at him. No, he's a sex addict.
 
2010-03-11 08:32:17 AM
Never tried it, don't exactly intend to, either.
I respect people's choice to smoke up to the point where they respect my choice not to smoke.
But we could cut with the miracle-drug phenomena that's been perpetuated by the mass media? It's all over. The loveable loser whose idea of fun is smoking weed. It kind of makes the masses think a lot of other things aren't fun sober.

As far as creativity goes, my argument has always been that if you need a substance, be it weed or alcohol, to do better, you weren't that creative to begin with.
 
2010-03-11 08:34:04 AM
FTFA: Unfortunately, before you inhale from your first joint, it's impossible to know which group you'll be in.

And that depends entirely on the kind of person you are, and the level of control you have over your own life, before you ever try it.

/Whatever happens, it's your own f*cking fault, not the drug's
//Personal responsibility FTW
 
2010-03-11 08:34:53 AM
Having wakened and bakened (& baconed) I'm about to teach zen and the art of refrigeration to (non-violent) convicts trying to re-enter society this morning. This afternoon, I plan to go surfing. I may not be a high achiever(pi), but I don't get the hate. Oh well, You're welcome to your stress related illness death. I think I'll stick with my lost at sea thing. Have a good life.
 
2010-03-11 08:36:53 AM
Sweet Lucy? Sugar weed? OK, the author is just making up names now.
 
2010-03-11 08:39:45 AM
Occam's Chainsaw: JonnyJustice: Point being that there would be no benefit to smoking weed if you are in good health. That is dumb?
Okay then.
Perish the thought that you completely miss the thrust of one sentence of thought.

Except there is a benefit. Increased socialization, lowered anxiety, increased creativity. Alteration of consciousness is a valid pursuit in and of itself. Mind you, there's no immediate short-term health benefit that outweighs the potential risk factors, but that applies to everything from miniature golf to public oration.


The first time I tried it, I wandered around by myself all night and wound up staring into a campfire for an hour. So much for socialization and creativity. The second time I tried it, I had a massive panic attack -- the first and only panic attack I've ever had. So much for lowered anxiety.

/haven't tried it since
 
2010-03-11 08:40:13 AM
keypusher: This is so false I don't know how anyone can think it. Our society worships addiction, precisely because the addict is not responsible for his actions. That is why new addictions are constantly being invented. It's not that Tiger Woods is a world class athlete who is on the road who has women throwing themselves at him. No, he's a sex addict.

I think you're just adding to his point, not invalidating it. Except for the worshiping addicts part, I think creating new addictions isn't worshiping it but creating excuses for someone's behavior. That in itself takes away from actual addiction.
 
2010-03-11 08:40:33 AM
LEGALIZE IT!!

/has known a person who was an absolutely mean azzwipe when drunk on alcohol but was a great person after smoking weed
 
2010-03-11 08:42:50 AM
It didn't work for me.

YMMV

.
 
2010-03-11 08:44:47 AM
redsquid: My wife just went to bed and left her email open. She has 4,878 messages in her inbox. That, children, is what weed does to you.

Tell your wife to get rid of her "own" mail server. I know its a prestige thing, we have all fallen for that. Just be happy with a simple domain name. It will be like a burden lifted from her shoulders. She will be happier, you will be happier and you will have more time for more important things.
 
2010-03-11 08:45:18 AM
lakefivedi: I have been a wake and bake for forty years...Never miss a day of work...Pay my taxes...Deal with a bunch of dumb farks every day who want to push their ignorant bullshiat onto others...Have car insurance...Toke while driving...That has been always, and fill up the bowl, will always be...Don't care if the boss suspects me of being high...He has had his differences with me, but...Am in the top 5% of the food servers of the USA!..Dealt with my fair share of crap throughout...Home paid for...Photoshop for the Fark of it...Am in a state with medical marijuana, but have never been to a doctor so can't prove no ailments, but smoke it just the same.
There are a lot of STONERS who actually provide sunshine in life. I play with and treat others with respect whether or not
they are smoking a bowl with me by the dumpster, although I get a bit frustrated when one tells me they would vote for Sarah Palin to run our country. smoke on.........



Dude, you describe yourself as a "wake and bake" but then you say that you smoke while you're driving and you get high at work. One can assume you smoke at home after work, too. That's not just a wake-and-bake, that's being a pothead.

Sine you've been doing it for forty years, I assume you're in your 50's, or pretty close. I'm sorry, but the image of a fifty year-old man smoking pot by the dumpster behind his place of work is pretty sad.

You mention that you don't care if your boss suspects you of being high at work. Let me tell you something, if you're in your fifties and you work in food service and you're not the boss, something is holding you back. I wonder what it could be.
 
2010-03-11 08:46:33 AM
guytoronto: He missed #5.

People who choose to say "no thanks". Most people are #5.


This x100. I prefer to call Type #5 "Dude, smoking that makes you act really retarded; seriously, I'll videotape you sometime. Why would I want to act as retarded as you? Oh, 'fun', right, and because if I'm acting as retarded as you, neither of us will notice. Sounds like an awesome time to be had for all."

I never usually actually have to say this, because, even while stoned, the guy who turns down the passed joint means "more for everyone else." Never experienced 'peer pressure' because of this reason.

/don't drink more than a glass of wine with a meal, either
 
2010-03-11 08:46:35 AM
www.planet-earth-clothing.com

I can't believe I'm the Weeners this.
 
2010-03-11 08:47:22 AM
MAYORBOB: yarnothuntin -- "People still write letters?"

THIS. More like, a post it note on their backpacks telling them to check out his Myspace page.


People still use Myspace?
 
2010-03-11 08:47:27 AM
Jester Arm: I can't believe I'm the Weeners this.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
2010-03-11 08:52:18 AM
Jester Arm: Jester Arm: I can't believe I'm the Weeners this.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


It's actually better the way the filter fixed it...


/Hola, Mr. Hand!
 
2010-03-11 08:56:05 AM
FiatJustitia: But we could cut with the miracle-drug phenomena that's been perpetuated by the mass media?

There are some pretty amazing properties to THC. For example, it's one of the few compounds that kills MRSA. The appetite increase is a well documented (lol munchies) side effect, which can be useful for anorexia and chemo patients, which brings me to relieving nausea.

It's not so much that these drugs aren't available on the market, it's that THC can do it for basically no cost. The anti-nausea medication that my cousin was on during a 18 months stint of chemo was $400 PER DOSE. That means it cost him and his insurance company $400 PER DAY.

I told him "Dude, I can do it for about $50 per week if your mom wasn't such an uptight evil biatch." (She's not an uptight evil biatch because she won't let him smoke pot. She's just an evil biatch.)
 
2010-03-11 09:04:54 AM
Being a stoner is like being heavily in debt, only you don't have anything to show for it.
 
2010-03-11 09:07:41 AM
And I know you're curious - you told me you've already seen a few kids get booted from college and your old school


Um, Dad...if she's in college, she has experimented not only with weed, but a variety of other substances and activities like two dudes at once.
 
2010-03-11 09:08:20 AM
JonnyJustice:

It is not a plant. It is a weed.


If you're trying to push the "pot smokers can't reason as well as non-smokers" agenda, you aren't doing a great job of it.

/no offense
 
2010-03-11 09:11:15 AM
 
2010-03-11 09:11:33 AM
He left out another group.....

The fully functioning members or society who have jobs, contribute to the community, and smoke pot regularly. It is possible to be a "stoner" and still be productive.
 
2010-03-11 09:12:54 AM
Rock_Strongo: He left out another group.....

The fully functioning members or society who have jobs, contribute to the community, and smoke pot regularly. It is possible to be a "stoner" and still be productive.


I know many people like that. Hungover employees are the most non productive and unpleasant.
 
2010-03-11 09:13:07 AM
Shakespeare's Monkey: Generalizations are useless; yes there are wake and bakes that are reliable and run their own business. But, anyone can ruin their life by overindulging in an intoxicant and then making poor life decisions. I have a family member who is in his early 30s and smokes every day. He works as a clerk in a DvD store and has held that job for over ten years. Some will find this funny, cue the clerks references, but it hurts me to see him just float in the nothingness. I can't even tell his mom what the problem is, because I'll lose his trust. And so it goes, I love him though.

Is HE happy though?
Not everyone wants to be a Dr/laywer/indian chief. Some people only Want to have a low stress job that pays the bills. If that is him, you don't have to BLAME the weed.
If he is UNHAPPY, then yes you SHOULD tell his parent, maybe they can help him. Not everyone can walk away(granted most can, but not all) it does affect people differently.
 
2010-03-11 09:13:41 AM
I smoke copious amounts marijuana. Daily. I have for over a decade (I'm 30). I've worked 40+ hour weeks since I've been 16(just summers back then). I don't smoke and drive. I don't smoke when my old lady's kid is around. I help her with her homework and take her to batting cages ect. I'm charitable. I exercise. I pretty much do what I would probably be doing had I never began smoking, except now I am super mellow, easy-going and much more open minded.

Everyone should smoke, it would be a better world. And it's not like whatever we decide to do with our lives matters in the least, anyway. So don't kid yourself.

Ok, so I might be slightly absent-minded at times. It's a release. Look into it...

/disturbed that I find Phil delightful outside the Politics tab
 
2010-03-11 09:16:41 AM
Rock_Strongo: He left out another group.....

The fully functioning members or society who have jobs, contribute to the community, and smoke pot regularly. It is possible to be a "stoner" and still be productive.


Shhhh. Don't give away our secret.
 
2010-03-11 09:16:54 AM
You know, the only way we'll all reach an agreeable conclusion to this thread is to eat peyote. And plenty of it.
 
2010-03-11 09:18:48 AM
One time I discovered that all humans actually run on Windows 3.1, it was F-ing crazy!
 
2010-03-11 09:19:30 AM
RockofAges: journalist with 1,000,000 UV's per year.



Dude.. you sound tan.
 
2010-03-11 09:20:38 AM
mynameismark: I smoke copious amounts marijuana. Daily. I have for over a decade (I'm 30). I've worked 40+ hour weeks since I've been 16(just summers back then). I don't smoke and drive. I don't smoke when my old lady's kid is around. I help her with her homework and take her to batting cages ect. I'm charitable. I exercise. I pretty much do what I would probably be doing had I never began smoking, except now I am super mellow, easy-going and much more open minded.

Everyone should smoke, it would be a better world. And it's not like whatever we decide to do with our lives matters in the least, anyway. So don't kid yourself.

Ok, so I might be slightly absent-minded at times. It's a release. Look into it...

/disturbed that I find Phil delightful outside the Politics tab


i know plenty of people that should smoke, and for a variety of reasons. but not everybody should smoke. like me for instance. i should most definitely NOT smoke.
 
2010-03-11 09:21:53 AM
/Whatever happens, it's your own f*cking fault, not the drug's
//Personal responsibility FTW


THIS...from a visitor that lives with a stoner
 
2010-03-11 09:22:00 AM
CtrlAltDelete: A letter to weed about my dad

www.majhost.com
 
2010-03-11 09:22:52 AM
JonnyJustice: Phil Herup: It is a plant. It has been on Earth for eons. Now, in this small window of time in human history, some people have decided that you can't even posses this plant.

It is no different than a rose or a sunflower, or even a spot of crab grass. Except this one is illegal.

It is only illegal because some authoritarians have said it is. These same authoritarians have said that the tobacco plant is OK, and it is OK to ferment plants to make a toxic poison known as alcohol.

But you can't have this plant. If it grew on your property you could lose everything including your freedom.

The Founding Fathers would be pissed. One of them particularly so.

It is not a plant. It is a weed. However, your high-school "Dazed and Confused" logic is not lost on us.

Comparing hemp as a fabric to marijuana as a smoking agent, is like saying your poppy seed bagel is a reason for opium to be legal.

/Don't use stoner reasoning, it makes you sound dumb.
//Doesn't help your cause.


Hey, dumbass, since when are "weeds" NOT PLANTS?
It's called a weed due to the ease in which it grows and how it may not be wanted in your garden/flower beds. WEED is not a whole catagory of plant when used as a name like it is.Dandalions are "Weeds" but can also be eaten and made into foods. STILL A PLANT.
 
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