Good.

How can you accurately judge someone who played less than 16 games at QB on a team that was that bad? That's just stupid.

pd771: How can you accurately judge someone who played less than 16 games at QB on a team that was that bad? That's just stupid.

You honestly can get some good value for him now. Why wait and have another Derek Anderson situation on your hands?

I cant believe of all the headlines ive submitted this past week, arguably my worst and the one i put the least effort into gets greened. Damn you fark, damn you for not grasping my literary genius.

...and Mike Holmgren has made the fatal mistake of listening to the fans.

Hello 4-12 2010, hello one-season front office, hello Randy Lerner putting the team up for sale sometime after the Super Bowl...

If there's anything Holmgren knows, it's QBs. I'd give him a chance.

Just to warn you Cleveland fans, the next move is to pick up a guy you've never heard of that's sitting on the bench somewhere and make him the starter.

Forget Seneca Wallace. Instead, the Browns will take their chances with another Notre Dame QB...

I don't think Schefter knows what the hell he is talking about. He's been wrong so many times before why does anyone think he's right here?

All Brady needs is one year of study under a veteran QB.

/the Vikings, for example
//please

John Nash: If there's anything Holmgren knows, it's QBs. I'd give him a chance.

Just to warn you Cleveland fans, the next move is to pick up a guy you've never heard of that's sitting on the bench somewhere and make him the starter.

You mean like they did when they picked up Derek Anderson?

Holmgren has gone public with saying he thinks Quinn hasn't played enough to get a fair evaluation yet. I'll believe ESPN when the Browns announce he's been traded/released, not before.

/or if they sign another veteran QB

IlGreven:

hello Randy Lerner putting the team up for sale sometime after the Super Bowl...



/ Lerner's dad is probably spinning wai hi rpms by now

VvonderJesus: All Brady needs is one year of study under a veteran QB.

/the Vikings, for example
//please

Torn on this one.

On the one side, he plays for the Vikes, and we have at least a servicable backup.

On the flip side, that would give AJ the chance to destroy him twice a year....again.

pd771: How can you accurately judge someone who played less than 16 games at QB on a team that was that bad? That's just stupid.

Even on the worst teams around, a quality QB will show flashes of being a quality QB.

I watched Aikman's rookie year. The guy threw a ridiculous number of interceptions because the game was too fast for him and he didn't see the defense. But you could see that he could make plays. In between interceptions, he'd make some great throws.

I don't think I've ever seen that from Quinn. Quinn struggles to complete every pass. Even the dinking and dunking that was supposed to be his bread and butter was a crapshoot with him throwing high, wide, or short with no consistency. And when asked to throw beyond 10 yards or so, it becomes downright comical.

Maybe Quinn can learn how to throw and be good, but I have to think that Holmgren looks at the tape and wonders if it is worth the effort. Holmgren wants to teach a system. I doubt he wants to teach how to throw.

How bad were the two QBs on the Browns roster?

So bad that one was released for nothing and the other might get replaced with Jake Delhomme.

Pro Bowl quarterback Jake Delhomme will visit Cleveland Browns Thursday (new window)

Ah... this is just paving the way for Favre to take a victory lap in Cleveland. God help us all.

karmaceutical: Ah... this is just paving the way for Favre to take a victory lap in Cleveland. God help us all.

Well no. Farve prefers to win games.

VvonderJesus: All Brady needs is one year of study under a veteran QB.

/the Vikings, for example
//please

The kids has shown flashes, and if the Vikings can get him for like a 3rd to 5th rounder, I say go for it.

Cleveland craps on another QB. It really shows how organizations can breed success or failure. Quinn was putzed around with by 2 coaching staffs and now they will jettison him to start fresh. And I can see a team like the Vikings snagging him and him starting for 10 years.

NotoriousW.O.P: You mean like they did when they picked up Derek Anderson?

No, like he did with Favre in Green Bay and Hasselbeck in Seattle.

Troy McClure: And when asked to throw beyond 10 yards or so, it becomes downright comical.

I'm a defender of Quinn, but this is the biggest argument against him becoming a quality QB that I can see anyway.

His deep ball sucks. Anyone remember the nightmare that was the Browns/Ravens Monday Nighter this last season, where Quinn threw a desperation pass late in the game and couldn't even keep it in bounds?

I know it's cool to bash on the Browns and everything, but... where is this talk about the Browns having a bad o-line coming from?

Thomas is a pro-bowler at LT. Steinbach is damn good at LG. Mack was good, and will be getting even better at C. The right side wasn't very good the first half of the year, but it's not like the O-line should be an excuse for any QB for the Browns. Perhaps a lack of good WRs and running game, but it doesn't excuse hurried throws with ZERO pressure. It doesn't excuse him throwing 5 yards wide of a target who's within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. It doesn't excuse his absolute refusal to throw deeper than 10 yards for the first half of the season.

I'm all for giving the guy another try. But let's not make excuses. He's sucked to this point, and he has nobody to blame but himself.

/DA was worse though
//Seneca Wallace doesn't enthrall me, and I don't want Sam Bradford

MickCollins: Cleveland craps on another QB. It really shows how organizations can breed success or failure. Quinn was putzed around with by 2 coaching staffs and now they will jettison him to start fresh. And I can see a team like the Vikings snagging him and him starting for 10 years.

Maybe if Quinn was better than he is, he wouldn't have been "putzed around with by two coaching staffs." I know he had a hard time getting on the field for three seasons, but Quinn might have had something to do with that. Last year, Quinn got the starting job for week one not because he won it in training camp but because he sucked slightly less than Anderson.

John Nash: NotoriousW.O.P: You mean like they did when they picked up Derek Anderson?

No, like he did with Favre in Green Bay and Hasselbeck in Seattle.

I hope you're right.

If Seneca competes aginst him for the starting job, I think BQ gets run off the field. Seneca can play. Has 25 TDs to 14 Ints and a passer rating close to 90 as a 5 year back up to Hasslebeck.

mikaloyd: Poor Browns. You never go full DelHomme

I'm not sure what happened to Delhomme last year but prior to that he had been an excellent QB. I'll grant you the Panthers have always been a running team primarily but during their super bowl run Delhomme and Steve Smith were a damn near unstoppable pair. I was actually a little bit upset to hear the Panthers got rid of him.
/they'll be fine with DeAngelo

Troy McClure:
Even on the worst teams around, a quality QB will show flashes of being a quality QB.

I watched Aikman's rookie year. The guy threw a ridiculous number of interceptions because the game was too fast for him and he didn't see the defense. But you could see that he could make plays. In between interceptions, he'd make some great throws.

I don't think I've ever seen that from Quinn. Quinn struggles to complete every pass. Even the dinking and dunking that was supposed to be his bread and butter was a crapshoot with him throwing high, wide, or short with no consistency. And when asked to throw beyond 10 yards or so, it becomes downright comical.

Maybe Quinn can learn how to throw and be good, but I have to think that Holmgren looks at the tape and wonders if it is worth the effort. Holmgren wants to teach a system. I doubt he wants to teach how to throw.

It's a bit harder to judge a rookie, but this is exactly what I said during those David Carr years in Houston. A good (or future good) QB will show flashes of brilliance even on an awful team.

A great QB will have fantastic games even on an awful team. If you don't see those flashes of brilliance, chances are your team has a pretty crappy QB.

I think it's most amusing that Browns fans try to justify why Brady Quinn is not anything close to a viable NFL quarterback, yet they laugh off people who made the same arguments about Anderson.

I've always said, if you could combine Quinn's short game, and Derek's long passing game, and toss in some receivers that CAN CATCH, you have a good NFL quarterback.

Here's the thing... you can teach a guy with an NFL gun to have some touch. It's a lot harder to teach a guy without an NFL arm how to throw 50 yards on a rope. Just remember that.

puffy999: Here's the thing... you can teach a guy with an NFL gun to have some touch. It's a lot harder to teach a guy without an NFL arm how to throw 50 yards on a rope. Just remember that.

Montana didn't have a canon.

Maybe it's just my knee-jerk reaction from watching JaMarcus take too many snaps.

Chunks McGunks: mikaloyd: Poor Browns. You never go full DelHomme

I'm not sure what happened to Delhomme last year but prior to that he had been an excellent QB. I'll grant you the Panthers have always been a running team primarily but during their super bowl run Delhomme and Steve Smith were a damn near unstoppable pair. I was actually a little bit upset to hear the Panthers got rid of him.
/they'll be fine with DeAngelo

Listen im not trying to hate because I dont think Delhommes a bad guy or qb. But I dont think you can really call him excellent. Excellents a strong word to use for him. He was good. He had one season that bordered on excellent. Maybe you could say he was excellent during stretches of maybe 8 10 games. but thats about it. I was shocked when the panthers gave him that extension or new contract or whatever it was. I didnt think it was smart. And I was right. He could be ok someplace else. but he sure isnt saving any teams at this point in his career. The guys who said that cardinals game farked him up. Yup. It sent him from good to awful real fast.

4NSpy: puffy999: Here's the thing... you can teach a guy with an NFL gun to have some touch. It's a lot harder to teach a guy without an NFL arm how to throw 50 yards on a rope. Just remember that.

Montana didn't have a canon.

Maybe it's just my knee-jerk reaction from watching JaMarcus take too many snaps.

Nah Montana didnt have a Canon. Im pretty sure he had a Nikon.

Brady Quinn, how many Brady Quinn's can you Brady Quinn in one Brady Quinn video interview?

Quinn is fine. i think the most important skill of a QB is decision-making.... Not making stupid throws to give the game away in the 4th quarter.

Quinn manages the game just fine. Sure, he's sometimes inaccurate, but a missed throw in the turf is vastly better than a pick.

The QC is just a cog in the machine. The team will win if the team as a whole is good.

Losing teams always think they can just plug in a different quarterback and start winning. It never works. The Browns suck at offense and defense, not to mention that their special teams ride the short bus. It will take at least 30 new players to fix that, not one. Not that the Lions are any better...

pd771: How can you accurately judge someone who played less than 16 games at QB on a team that was that bad? That's just stupid.

There's this thing called practice that NFL Coaches, scouts and GMs have access (plus tape and charts) to that you, Mr. Keyboard Coach, don't get to see.

Rams.

/rams.

macdaddy357: Losing teams always think they can just plug in a different quarterback and start winning. It never works. The Browns suck at offense and defense, not to mention that their special teams ride the short bus. It will take at least 30 new players to fix that, not one. Not that the Lions are any better...

...coming from someone who's obviously not watched either team, who's gonna win the Super Bowl next year? I'll give you half of the $1,000* I'll wager on the team if they do.

*Offer not valid anywhere Fark.com can be accessed.

IAmRight: Chunks McGunks: /they'll be fine with DeAngelo

They'll be better when they let The Daily Show start.

/of course, you're a Memphis fan, so there'll be no convincing you

Yeah that 5 ypc for his career is really weighing them down. I believe he still has the record for most yards ever gained in the NCAA also.