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(The Sun)   The nicest nurse in the world fired for having sex with grieving men who just lost their wives to cancer   (thesun.co.uk) divider line 158
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2010-03-10 07:49:50 AM  
MrT: The relationship between medical professionals and their patients is one that cannot be allowed to become too personal.

At no point were those men her patients, nor are they likely to become so.

/next.
 
2010-03-10 07:50:01 AM  
Ender's: log_jammin: I'd just take the plot of a mainstream Hollywood movie and add in a bunch of sex. Change the title slightly to something like "Lord of the Cockrings".

You may have something there.

What about this?

Naming a movie, say, Back Door Sluts and then making numerous sequels up to and including say 9?


How about saving overhead by just releasing the same film again and again and increasing the index +1 each time.

Almost like mainstream Hollywood does.


/A Novel and Efficient Synthesis of Cadaverine
//BOOM!
 
2010-03-10 07:51:50 AM  
MrT: For those of you who really don't understand why this is wrong:

The relationship between medical professionals and their patients is one that cannot be allowed to become too personal. This is common to almost all highly-skewed power relationships, but is particularly true in medicine. As a patient, you have to be able to trust your doctors and nurses not to be looking at you sexually. As a doctor or nurse, you have to be able to understand that you leave your sexuality at the door of the hospital and pick it up on the way out. As a medical employer, you expect that your employees will not mix their patient lists with their dating pools.

If the situation were that she had happened to bump into the guy a year later while speed dating, they hit it off, then a month into the relationship it transpired she had treated the guys dying wife, then fine, the boundaries weren't broken. It's an awful coincidence for this to happen twice though. The far more likely scenario is that she used her position as a nurse to keep in contact with the guys, which means that she used her medical relationship to start a personal and sexual one. This is completely unacceptable. As a patient, I wouldn't trust her, as an employer, I wouldn't trust her, as a nurse, she has shown such bad judgment that I do not believe she should be allowed to continue in the job.

Any medical ethics course will tell you not to sleep with your patients, present or past. No medical ethics course will put in exceptions to this and tell you that it's ok in some circumstances. This is really not too hard to understand.


Uh, not only were the men not her patients, but in both cases is was some time -after- their wives had died. It's not like she was banging them the next day or something...
 
2010-03-10 07:53:37 AM  
Wut? How is this any of their business?

If she was getting boned by patients, I might see the problem. If it was when they were married, likewise. And if it were straight after the death, and in their grief, then that would seem disgusting. But a year after their death?
 
2010-03-10 07:56:57 AM  
MrT: For those of you who really don't understand why this is wrong:

The relationship between medical professionals and their patients is one that cannot be allowed to become too personal. This is common to almost all highly-skewed power relationships, but is particularly true in medicine. As a patient, you have to be able to trust your doctors and nurses not to be looking at you sexually. As a doctor or nurse, you have to be able to understand that you leave your sexuality at the door of the hospital and pick it up on the way out. As a medical employer, you expect that your employees will not mix their patient lists with their dating pools.

If the situation were that she had happened to bump into the guy a year later while speed dating, they hit it off, then a month into the relationship it transpired she had treated the guys dying wife, then fine, the boundaries weren't broken. It's an awful coincidence for this to happen twice though. The far more likely scenario is that she used her position as a nurse to keep in contact with the guys, which means that she used her medical relationship to start a personal and sexual one. This is completely unacceptable. As a patient, I wouldn't trust her, as an employer, I wouldn't trust her, as a nurse, she has shown such bad judgment that I do not believe she should be allowed to continue in the job.

Any medical ethics course will tell you not to sleep with your patients, present or past. No medical ethics course will put in exceptions to this and tell you that it's ok in some circumstances. This is really not too hard to understand.


That's just a bunch of jibber-jabber.
 
2010-03-10 08:01:28 AM  
Phil Herup
Sorry.... but I grew up thinking that all nurses in the UK were like that.

He's a pepper too.

It's okay, I still think all nurses look like this, even though I know better.

/fap
//mostly SFW
 
2010-03-10 08:04:56 AM  
Jedekai: Britain. it's why the PM has an American medical staff. This counts for both Britain AND Canada.

Source plz.
 
2010-03-10 08:13:40 AM  
Shakespeare's Monkey: Phil Herup
Sorry.... but I grew up thinking that all nurses in the UK were like that.

He's a pepper too.

It's okay, I still think all nurses look like this, even though I know better.

/fap
//mostly SFW


What the hell was that?
 
2010-03-10 08:14:44 AM  
MrT,

If the situation were that she had happened to bump into the guy a year later while speed dating, they hit it off, then a month into the relationship it transpired she had treated the guys dying wife, then fine, the boundaries weren't broken. It's an awful coincidence for this to happen twice though.

Are you saying there's something wrong with a nurse keeping in social contact with a patient's husband, perhaps popping in when she's in the area to see how he's managing, and for this to flower into something else? You're saying that's unnatural? You're saying you've never been attracted to a client or a co-worker?
 
2010-03-10 08:16:01 AM  
MrT: For those of you who really don't understand why this is wrong:

The relationship between medical professionals and their patients is one that cannot be allowed to become too personal. This is common to almost all highly-skewed power relationships, but is particularly true in medicine. As a patient, you have to be able to trust your doctors and nurses not to be looking at you sexually. As a doctor or nurse, you have to be able to understand that you leave your sexuality at the door of the hospital and pick it up on the way out. As a medical employer, you expect that your employees will not mix their patient lists with their dating pools.

If the situation were that she had happened to bump into the guy a year later while speed dating, they hit it off, then a month into the relationship it transpired she had treated the guys dying wife, then fine, the boundaries weren't broken. It's an awful coincidence for this to happen twice though. The far more likely scenario is that she used her position as a nurse to keep in contact with the guys, which means that she used her medical relationship to start a personal and sexual one. This is completely unacceptable. As a patient, I wouldn't trust her, as an employer, I wouldn't trust her, as a nurse, she has shown such bad judgment that I do not believe she should be allowed to continue in the job.

Any medical ethics course will tell you not to sleep with your patients, present or past. No medical ethics course will put in exceptions to this and tell you that it's ok in some circumstances. This is really not too hard to understand.


A sort of valid point. But in both cases it was quite a while after death before the relationships began. And it isn't unusual for pallative care nurses to keep in contact with the family after the death of the loved one.
 
2010-03-10 08:36:36 AM  
Should be a HERO tag on her.
 
2010-03-10 08:45:58 AM  
Mentat: That would never work. What's next, a horny cable guy shows up and doesn't fix the cable?

A friend of mine is a cable installer and gets to screw a housewife every few years. He says it's always in the better parts of town and reckons they've got husbands away from home and that he catches them when the oestrogen's risen but the old man is away.

And none of them are 21, blonde and have fake tits.
 
2010-03-10 08:47:13 AM  
Clete Orris: Another Government Employee: I wonder whose Cheerios she pissed in?

Perhaps the hospital administrator or physician she spurned?

/*golf clap* for gratuitous use of the term "Cheerio" in a thread about Britain.


This.
Some other team members obviously weren't getting any and were jealous.
Unlaid people are often spiteful.
Homely ones too.
 
2010-03-10 08:50:45 AM  
CrazedHatter: Uh, not only were the men not her patients, but in both cases is was some time -after- their wives had died. It's not like she was banging them the next day or something...

Even if she was, its just sex
 
2010-03-10 09:01:15 AM  
"Oh i also have a mad labrador who sheds lots of hair and speaks.

poor dog
 
2010-03-10 09:05:05 AM  
Ender's: You know, I am just thinking out loud here, but wouldn't this make a GREAT premise for one of those adult video thing-a-ma-jigs?

Naughty Nurses 17: Widower Edition

(I hope that's not real...)
 
2010-03-10 09:16:11 AM  
Mr. T.

I actually accept your explanation and the reasons for it.

However, there are always grey/gray areas or places where the rules can be relaxed. I don't know how but if she can prove she wasn't shagging anyone until an acceptable mourning time has expired; she should get her job back and back pay.

It's kinda like banging the photocopier repairman at work or getting the metermaid's number and doing her after you pay the ticket. I liken this to an office romance. It's frowned upon and strongly discouraged but what you do after work is your business. Plain and simple. Unless you are in a position of trust or authority over your prey.
 
2010-03-10 09:25:42 AM  
I wonder who wrote the complaint letters?

Curiosity killed the cat, no?

/meow
 
2010-03-10 09:25:57 AM  
I'm thinking that the Hospital is just pissed because they couldn't find a way to bill for her services. Jeeze... at least she waited for the wives to die before she offered her special form of comfort to the men.
 
2010-03-10 09:35:31 AM  
Nurse Mills.
www.wordmagazine.co.uk
 
2010-03-10 09:39:47 AM  
 
2010-03-10 09:58:20 AM  
MrT: For those of you who really don't understand why this is wrong:

The relationship between medical professionals and their patients is one that cannot be allowed to become too personal. This is common to almost all highly-skewed power relationships, but is particularly true in medicine. As a patient, you have to be able to trust your doctors and nurses not to be looking at you sexually. As a doctor or nurse, you have to be able to understand that you leave your sexuality at the door of the hospital and pick it up on the way out. As a medical employer, you expect that your employees will not mix their patient lists with their dating pools.

If the situation were that she had happened to bump into the guy a year later while speed dating, they hit it off, then a month into the relationship it transpired she had treated the guys dying wife, then fine, the boundaries weren't broken. It's an awful coincidence for this to happen twice though. The far more likely scenario is that she used her position as a nurse to keep in contact with the guys, which means that she used her medical relationship to start a personal and sexual one. This is completely unacceptable. As a patient, I wouldn't trust her, as an employer, I wouldn't trust her, as a nurse, she has shown such bad judgment that I do not believe she should be allowed to continue in the job.

Any medical ethics course will tell you not to sleep with your patients, present or past. No medical ethics course will put in exceptions to this and tell you that it's ok in some circumstances. This is really not too hard to understand.


Your trollfu is strong.

And if you had read the article it was not a patient it was the husband of a patient who had died almost a year previous.

+1 for effort but -10 for accuracy
 
2010-03-10 10:10:20 AM  
Hot nurses are like hot lesbians. They do exist, but they're difficult to find out in the wild.
 
2010-03-10 10:17:52 AM  
It seems to me that the only thing required to get you fired, fined or arrested in the U.K. is to do anything that's remotely interesting.
 
MrT
2010-03-10 10:20:06 AM  
farkeruk: MrT,

If the situation were that she had happened to bump into the guy a year later while speed dating, they hit it off, then a month into the relationship it transpired she had treated the guys dying wife, then fine, the boundaries weren't broken. It's an awful coincidence for this to happen twice though.

Are you saying there's something wrong with a nurse keeping in social contact with a patient's husband, perhaps popping in when she's in the area to see how he's managing, and for this to flower into something else? You're saying that's unnatural? You're saying you've never been attracted to a client or a co-worker?


If I used my company's directory to look up the home contact details of a colleague or client in order to go around to her house and hit on her I would fully expect to be fired.

I don't hit on my clients or coworkers.
 
2010-03-10 10:20:41 AM  
Lots of ethical codes for helping professionals consider family members to be on basically the same level as the patient you're treating. You're not supposed to diddle any of them.


greenapple2step:
Your trollfu is strong.

And if you had read the article it was not a patient it was the husband of a patient who had died almost a year previous.

+1 for effort but -10 for accuracy
 
2010-03-10 10:24:18 AM  
farkeruk: MrT,

Are you saying there's something wrong with a nurse keeping in social contact with a patient's husband, perhaps popping in when she's in the area to see how he's managing, and for this to flower into something else? You're saying that's unnatural? You're saying you've never been attracted to a client or a co-worker?


Being attracted is certainly not unnatural, but health professionals have rules in place to prevent them from acting on it. Just because you find someone attractive doesn't mean you HAVE to jump their bones. There are lots of people out there. Go play with one of them.
 
2010-03-10 10:25:05 AM  
z.about.com

undernova

What the hell was that?

Which part, the link to the pretty nurse or the reference to the guy in your pic being a Pepper?

1. I can't help you with the picture, your mileage may vary. Personally, I love to fap to hot sweet sweet nurses.

2. The guy in your pic made his showbiz debut in Dr. Pepper commercials. I'm a Pepper, You're a Pepper, wouldn't you like to bang a porn nurse too? I may have got the last part wrong.
 
2010-03-10 10:30:53 AM  
CTZanderman: Lots of ethical codes for helping professionals consider family members to be on basically the same level as the patient you're treating. You're not supposed to diddle any of them.


I had my tonsils removed three days before my 18th birthday. Nearly forty years ago. Just as a hypothetical situation, say that today I ran into the cute 18 year old nurse that attended me back then (she too would be in her fifties now as I am). Under your ethics, would it be wrong for her and I to hook up? If not, why? Is it the time elapsed that makes a difference? Or the severity of the illness/treatment? Is there some other factor that I'm overlooking? I'm truly curious here, not trolling as I agree that there should be separation between care providers and patients. I'm just wondering where the line should be drawn as at least from the info in TFA, I don't see the problem.
 
2010-03-10 10:32:05 AM  
CTZanderman: farkeruk: MrT,

Are you saying there's something wrong with a nurse keeping in social contact with a patient's husband, perhaps popping in when she's in the area to see how he's managing, and for this to flower into something else? You're saying that's unnatural? You're saying you've never been attracted to a client or a co-worker?

Being attracted is certainly not unnatural, but health professionals have rules in place to prevent them from acting on it. Just because you find someone attractive doesn't mean you HAVE to jump their bones. There are lots of people out there. Go play with one of them.


She wasn't farking patients. She wasn't farking former patients. She wasn't farking the family member of a patient.

She was having a multi-year relationship with the widower of a deceased former patient when said relationship began a year after the patient had died.

There is no ethic breach, legal complication, and (in a sane society) there should have been no loss of job or professional standing.
 
2010-03-10 10:34:36 AM  
Shakespeare's Monkey: undernova

What the hell was that?

Which part, the link to the pretty nurse or the reference to the guy in your pic being a Pepper?


the link to the pretty nurse? did you not look at the link you posted closely?
 
2010-03-10 10:37:19 AM  
I married the chick who was cleaning my teeth. Not quite the same thing, but (queue movie trailer guy's voice)... sometimes love knows no boundaries. Especially professional ones.
 
2010-03-10 10:38:38 AM  
pimpazona: Hot nurses are like hot lesbians. They do exist, but they're difficult to find out in the wild.

They ARE out there. Found one 2 years ago in a tiny little local hospital in New Hampsire. I went in suffering from poison ivy. She was maybe late 30s, tan, hotttt redhead in dark scrubs. I dont remember a word she said but I liked how it sounded. This summer I plan on some sort of affliction that may require a repeat visit to that ER.
 
2010-03-10 10:39:12 AM  
I think that since the people she was with were not her patients, no harm, no foul. How can the hospital tell her who she can shag?
 
2010-03-10 10:40:56 AM  
Shakespeare's Monkey: Phil Herup
Sorry.... but I grew up thinking that all nurses in the UK were like that.

He's a pepper too.

It's okay, I still think all nurses look like this, even though I know better.

/fap
//mostly SFW


profile.ak.fbcdn.net
 
2010-03-10 10:46:45 AM  
Guys! Did anybody read the article? and saw the first photo?

The article starts with: "The attractive divorcee..." I mean, WTF!

/Would NOT hit it
 
2010-03-10 10:52:03 AM  
In the first picture she looks like a sea hag. Yarrrr! In the second picture she looks decent. Good on her for providing a service.
 
2010-03-10 10:52:47 AM  
More_Like_A_Stain:

I had my tonsils removed three days before my 18th birthday. Nearly forty years ago. Just as a hypothetical situation, say that today I ran into the cute 18 year old nurse that attended me back then (she too would be in her fifties now as I am). Under your ethics, would it be wrong for her and I to hook up? If not, why? Is it the time elapsed that makes a difference? Or the severity of the illness/treatment? Is there some other factor that I'm overlooking? I'm truly curious here, not trolling as I agree that there should be separation between care providers and patients. I'm just wondering where the line should be drawn as at least from the info in TFA, I don't see the problem.


give me doughnuts: CTZanderman: farkeruk: MrT,

She wasn't farking patients. She wasn't farking former patients. She wasn't farking the family member of a patient.

She was having a multi-year relationship with the widower of a deceased former patient when said relationship began a year after the patient had died.

There is no ethic breach, legal complication, and (in a sane society) there should have been no loss of job or professional standing.


Husbands are typically considered to be family members. And she did it with three of them. And most ethical codes that do have a time period go beyond a year (3-5 is fairly common). The bottom line is that you don't attempt to hump patients (or their immediate relatives) because whatever crisis has brought them to you makes them a lot more emotional and a lot more vulnerable. They're an easy target for those willing to take advantage of it, and it's those farkers that make the rest of us look bad.
 
2010-03-10 10:54:28 AM  
This is what passes for a hospital on the other side of the pond?
img.thesun.co.uk

Now I understand why so many people are against public health care.
 
2010-03-10 10:59:37 AM  
Did someone mention Nurses?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2010-03-10 11:02:13 AM  
CTZanderman:
Husbands are typically considered to be family members.



Oh, sorry, I got a little confused by the whole "until DEATH do us part" bit. Still, where's the hate for the adulterous bastard husbands? Just because their wives are dead doesn't mean that they're allowed to ever have sex again!

Shakespeare's Monkey: (nurse pics)

Nice, but do you have any that don't have a horrific fake guido-tan?
 
2010-03-10 11:05:32 AM  
sandi_fish: I think that since the people she was with were not her patients, no harm, no foul. How can the hospital tell her who she can shag?

You are confusing the words "law" and "ethics".
 
2010-03-10 11:05:35 AM  
CTZanderman: Husbands are typically considered to be family members. And she did it with three of them. And most ethical codes that do have a time period go beyond a year (3-5 is fairly common). The bottom line is that you don't attempt to hump patients (or their immediate relatives) because whatever crisis has brought them to you makes them a lot more emotional and a lot more vulnerable. They're an easy target for those willing to take advantage of it, and it's those farkers that make the rest of us look bad.

So in the end it comes down to she didn't observe the customary time frame. If that's the case, why did they wait ten years (the length of the first relationship) to decide that this was a problem? She waited more than a year to begin the first one. The second may indeed be a little hasty in that according to TFA it was only a few months. As far as the third, FTA;"No details are known about the third alleged romance. Speaking to The Sun at her detached home yesterday, she denied the third fling." could just be speculation and piling on.
 
2010-03-10 11:07:08 AM  
jxb465: This is what passes for a hospital on the other side of the pond?


Now I understand why so many people are against public health care.


And what exactly can you tell from that picture?
 
2010-03-10 11:08:20 AM  
jagec: CTZanderman:
Husbands are typically considered to be family members.

Oh, sorry, I got a little confused by the whole "until DEATH do us part" bit. Still, where's the hate for the adulterous bastard husbands? Just because their wives are dead doesn't mean that they're allowed to ever have sex again!


Just because a marriage ends doesn't mean that family is thrown out the door. If one of the couples had kids, would you expect them to never see their maternal grandmothers again? They were married when they entered the hospital. They were a family. The husbands aren't cheating bastards after the fact, but that doesn't make it fine for the nurse to be doing what she did. She is in a position of power and she took advantage of it.
 
2010-03-10 11:09:29 AM  
log_jammin: Mentat: Ender's: You know, I am just thinking out loud here, but wouldn't this make a GREAT premise for one of those adult video thing-a-ma-jigs?

That would never work. What's next, a horny cable guy shows up and doesn't fix the cable?

I like that idea...


Fix my cable, punk.
 
2010-03-10 11:10:30 AM  
If they hadn't caught her, she would've slept with tumor.
 
2010-03-10 11:11:01 AM  
More_Like_A_Stain:
So in the end it comes down to she didn't observe the customary time frame. If that's the case, why did they wait ten years (the length of the first relationship) to decide that this was a problem? She waited more than a year to begin the first one. The second may indeed be a little hasty in that according to TFA it was only a few months. As far as the third, FTA;"No details are known about the third alleged romance. Speaking to The Sun at her detached home yesterday, she denied the third fling." could just be speculation and piling on.


Maybe she didn't disclose that she was farking a patient? If you knew that was a career-ending thing, would you tell your bosses?
 
2010-03-10 11:11:40 AM  
CTZanderman: Just because a marriage ends doesn't mean that family is thrown out the door. If one of the couples had kids, would you expect them to never see their maternal grandmothers again? They were married when they entered the hospital. They were a family. The husbands aren't cheating bastards after the fact, but that doesn't make it fine for the nurse to be doing what she did. She is in a position of power and she took advantage of it.

WTF? Time for your meds.
 
2010-03-10 11:12:09 AM  
Jedekai: unyon: FTFA: "One of them was long-term and we were together for nearly ten years. And the other is the one I am in now, who I love." She added: "I have never had an affair with a patient's partner."

So let me get this right- She met and fell in love with guy #1, but never acted upon it until his wife had died and he (nor a family member) were a direct NHS client, much less in care at the hospital. That relationship lasted 10 years.

She met and fell in love with guy #2 the same way, and is still with him.

What's the problem here? She didn't have affairs with these guys while caring for their terminally ill wives. She didn't have affairs with patients. And she didn't do it willy-nilly.

What's the problem again?

Britain. That's the problem - it's because they're retarded about how modern medicine works... it's why the PM has an American medical staff. This counts for both Britain AND Canada.

As for when Britain started to suck:

Since around the time the Vikings lost control of it, who wrestled it out of the hands of Roman descendants, who took it from Celtic descendants, which were actually tribal societies built much like the Native Americans. Except with ludicrously strong alcohol.

"Britain: The only country on Earth where losing is a national pastime."

/Wanna hear something funny? France has more war victories than Britain. That's not a joke - but it is something that Anglo-Franco Historians laugh about behind closed doors.
//That's "War" (as in total victory) not "Battle".


Have any proof regarding the PMs American medical staff ?
As for war, Britain beat the French while vying for global supremacy and took most French colonies, therefore creating the largest empire the world has ever seen, also Britain has won more wars (read total war, not battles) against France than the other way round, so there.
 
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