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2010-03-09 11:46:24 AM  
Um, women aren't allowed into Combat Arms roles in the real-world U.S. military? The article curiously didn't seem to mention that.

Call me crazy, but I think there's more of a market for games about Navy SEALs, Air Force Combat Controllers, or Marine Force Recon than "Full Spectrum Humvee Mechanic" or "Call of Duty: Modern Paralegal."
 
2010-03-09 11:51:37 AM  
Not to mention that your typical hard-core gamer wouldn't give two shiats about serving alongside female soldiers unless they all looked and dressed like Lara Croft.
 
2010-03-09 11:53:41 AM  
www.sideshowdustin.com

...Would like a word.
 
2010-03-09 11:58:42 AM  
Sgt Otter: Um, women aren't allowed into Combat Arms roles in the real-world U.S. military? The article curiously didn't seem to mention that.

Call me crazy, but I think there's more of a market for games about Navy SEALs, Air Force Combat Controllers, or Marine Force Recon than "Full Spectrum Humvee Mechanic" or "Call of Duty: Modern Paralegal."


Call me crazy, but in the real-world U.S. military, aren't truck drivers, many of whom are female, delivering supplies frequently the targets of insurgent attacks?
In fact, this would be a great hook for a game: you're a fresh-faced new recruit female truck driver in Iraq, delivering supplies from one base to another. First level gives you experience driving over an open sand-boxy world, avoiding sniper attacks and IEDs. Second level, your truck hits an IED and your buddy riding shotgun takes a piece of shrapnel to the face. You have to grab his gun and take out the snipers. Next, you find your radio is broken, so you have to drag him through some hostile urban territory to get to a place where you can find some help. Great possibilities here.
And, if you wanted to make it really realistic, then after saving a few squads of soldiers, you get gang-raped by your own troops, locked in a shipping container, and given a dishonorable discharge. It could lead to a PTSD-based sequel in Washington, taking out squads of D.C. cops while going after senate sub-committees.
 
2010-03-09 12:08:03 PM  
Pocket Ninja: Not to mention that your typical hard-core gamer wouldn't give two shiats about serving alongside female soldiers unless they all looked and dressed like Lara Croft.

In competitive multiplayer, nobody really gives a crap about their avatar at all. The balance is somwhere between making all avatars equal while still allowing for some customization. The unreal tournament series gets around this by putting both genders under so much armor that they can use the same dimensions and hitboxes. Back in the days of Tribes, they didn't take that into account and made the female characters proportional to the male. As a result, everyone played a female character because they were that much harder to hit.
 
2010-03-09 12:46:38 PM  
FTFA:

Or, more to the point, are they more important than crumbling walls?

I think I speak for most gamers when I say no.
 
2010-03-09 12:47:55 PM  
Um, because combat women's good fundamentals make up for their inability to frag?

Theaetetus: Call me crazy, but in the real-world U.S. military, aren't truck drivers, many of whom are female, delivering supplies frequently the targets of insurgent attacks?
In fact, this would be a great hook for a game: you're a fresh-faced new recruit female truck driver in Iraq, delivering supplies from one base to another. First level gives you experience driving over an open sand-boxy world, avoiding sniper attacks and IEDs. Second level, your truck hits an IED and your buddy riding shotgun takes a piece of shrapnel to the face. You have to grab his gun and take out the snipers. Next, you find your radio is broken, so you have to drag him through some hostile urban territory to get to a place where you can find some help. Great possibilities here.
And, if you wanted to make it really realistic, then after saving a few squads of soldiers, you get gang-raped by your own troops, locked in a shipping container, and given a dishonorable discharge. It could lead to a PTSD-based sequel in Washington, taking out squads of D.C. cops while going after senate sub-committees.


This post relevant to her interests:

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2010-03-09 12:49:21 PM  
Miranda Keyes would disagree with this headline.
 
2010-03-09 12:51:22 PM  
Theaetetus: Call me crazy, but in the real-world U.S. military, aren't truck drivers, many of whom are female, delivering supplies frequently the targets of insurgent attacks?

Forget about truck drivers, plenty of female soldiers and marines end up as MP's. They actually spend their time armed.
 
2010-03-09 12:51:32 PM  
Theaetetus: In fact, this would be a great hook for a game: you're a fresh-faced new recruit female truck driver in Iraq, delivering supplies from one base to another. First level gives you experience driving over an open sand-boxy world, avoiding sniper attacks and IEDs. Second level, your truck hits an IED and your buddy riding shotgun takes a piece of shrapnel to the face. You have to grab his gun and take out the snipers. Next, you find your radio is broken, so you have to drag him through some hostile urban territory to get to a place where you can find some help. Great possibilities here.

Suddenly, you hear a brief, shrill whistling sound and then... nothing. When you awake, you're staring into the fluorescent lighting of an Army hospital. Standing above you is a beautiful nurse, dabbing your head gently with a damp rag. "Oh, you're awake," she says softly. "I was afraid you weren't going to make it. What you did out there was very brave..." Her dark brown eyes stare into yours, never wavering as she brings her face closer, closer. Slowly, her lips part as you feel her warm, sweet breath and feel yourself rising to meet her gentle kiss...

That's my new game. Call of Duty: Modern Giggity.
 
2010-03-09 12:57:42 PM  
IrateShadow: Pocket Ninja: Not to mention that your typical hard-core gamer wouldn't give two shiats about serving alongside female soldiers unless they all looked and dressed like Lara Croft.

In competitive multiplayer, nobody really gives a crap about their avatar at all. The balance is somwhere between making all avatars equal while still allowing for some customization. The unreal tournament series gets around this by putting both genders under so much armor that they can use the same dimensions and hitboxes. Back in the days of Tribes, they didn't take that into account and made the female characters proportional to the male. As a result, everyone played a female character because they were that much harder to hit.


Shazbot!

I need an APC - I need an APC - I need an APC pick-up.
 
2010-03-09 01:00:08 PM  
MonkeyAngst:


I love you.
 
2010-03-09 01:03:09 PM  
IrateShadow: Pocket Ninja: Not to mention that your typical hard-core gamer wouldn't give two shiats about serving alongside female soldiers unless they all looked and dressed like Lara Croft.

In competitive multiplayer, nobody really gives a crap about their avatar at all. The balance is somwhere between making all avatars equal while still allowing for some customization. The unreal tournament series gets around this by putting both genders under so much armor that they can use the same dimensions and hitboxes. Back in the days of Tribes, they didn't take that into account and made the female characters proportional to the male. As a result, everyone played a female character because they were that much harder to hit.




Hmmmm. I used the female characters because they held the weapons lower on the screen instead of on the side like the males. Now that I think of it, maybe I did get a few more MAs on male characters, I don't really know.
 
2010-03-09 01:05:05 PM  
COD4 has a woman helicopter pilot.


errr, had.
 
2010-03-09 01:09:23 PM  
Theaetetus: Call me crazy, but in the real-world U.S. military, aren't truck drivers, many of whom are female, delivering supplies frequently the targets of insurgent attacks?

As far as I've heard, the "no women in combat situations" thing is only political. Once you start being fired at, your gender makes no lick of difference, you switch off the safety and send hot death down range back at them.
 
2010-03-09 01:13:35 PM  
Knara: Theaetetus: Call me crazy, but in the real-world U.S. military, aren't truck drivers, many of whom are female, delivering supplies frequently the targets of insurgent attacks?

As far as I've heard, the "no women in combat situations" thing is only political. Once you start being fired at, your gender makes no lick of difference, you switch off the safety and send hot death down range back at them.


Pretty much. Even if you are in a support role, if you are in a warzone, you are in a combat role.
 
2010-03-09 01:17:59 PM  
"And what of the trade-off? The ability for the walls in a virtual battlefield to break and stay broken may sound trifling to non-gamers. But within the context of games, it is a literal breakthrough. Walls have been immutable in games since the days of Pac-Man, and while games have, from time to time, allowed barriers to be broken, it's still a rare feat."

Silent Storm was great, until those mech suits turn up.
 
2010-03-09 01:25:04 PM  
I think what they are getting at here is you can't be female and 11B. It doesn't mean you wont carry a gun or get shot at or return fire in a real combat zone. You just can't have that MOS.
 
2010-03-09 01:26:47 PM  
Maybe there are no women for the same reason there are no fat guys - too much jiggle in the gameplay.

Although I would pay much more extra to see Lara Croft in that type of game.
 
2010-03-09 01:26:53 PM  
Original intent, of course, was to keep females out of harms way. But modern warfare is nothing like it was when those rules were put in place.
 
2010-03-09 01:27:11 PM  
The next SOCOM is supposed to have a member of that Korean all-woman special ops unit. Whether she's playable in multiplayer remains to be seen, but probably.

I feel kinda bad for Zipper, having to undo the damage done to the franchise by Slant Six. I tried to play it again last night, after basically neglecting it since I bought it. After a 658 MB patch download, it's barely tolerable, but I can't see myself putting any kind of hours into it.
 
2010-03-09 01:29:36 PM  
Speaking of Battlefield Bad Company 2, it rocks.
 
2010-03-09 01:31:31 PM  
Because I never want to have to make that Sophie's choice: Stim pack the soldier next to me so he can keep on fighting, or try to help Sally Sergeant deliver her breech birth baby in the trench.
 
2010-03-09 01:34:39 PM  
Do women in the military still have SEPARATE physical fitness requirements?
 
2010-03-09 01:45:39 PM  
The_Time_Master: Do women in the military still have SEPARATE physical fitness requirements?

I think so. Been out since 2006 so not positive.
 
2010-03-09 01:51:36 PM  
Arkanaut: Forget about truck drivers, plenty of female soldiers and marines end up as MP's. They actually spend their time armed.

I know a good portion of the MPs who do urban/civil work in the US are. Of course they're not fighting. They have machine and hand guns though.

I also know that MPs- regardless of gender- don't tip worth shiat.
 
2010-03-09 01:54:52 PM  
CALL OF DUTY: MODERN SUPPLY ROOM ADMINISTRATOR
 
2010-03-09 01:57:06 PM  
Treygreen13: Speaking of Battlefield Bad Company 2, it rocks.

We need to talk. I need info. I used to be a major BF fan. Thought bad company one was awful. But remain a hardcore BF modern combat fan. Some of the best FPS moments in my life were playing on military servers on that game. I am extremely curious about BF 2. Quick questions? No Prone? what gives? Are the vehicles retarded again? And is the shooting even remotely close to COD good?
 
2010-03-09 02:01:59 PM  
vinnydoz007: Treygreen13: Speaking of Battlefield Bad Company 2, it rocks.

We need to talk. I need info. I used to be a major BF fan. Thought bad company one was awful. But remain a hardcore BF modern combat fan. Some of the best FPS moments in my life were playing on military servers on that game. I am extremely curious about BF 2. Quick questions? No Prone? what gives? Are the vehicles retarded again? And is the shooting even remotely close to COD good?


1. No prone to get rid of the dolphin divers and to prevent the game from turning into "crawly mcsniper company 2".
2. The vehicles function almost identically to BF2. The choppers are actually easier to fly.
3. The actual shooting isn't as good as MW2... that's MW2's strong point.

I prefer BFBC2 because of the scope of it. If you were extremely familiar with and loved BF2, you will probably love BFBC2.
 
2010-03-09 02:02:03 PM  
vinnydoz007: I used to be a major BF fan.

So, you'd say you were a BFF, Jill?
 
2010-03-09 02:02:31 PM  
Treygreen13: Speaking of Battlefield Bad Company 2, it rocks.

I completely agree. It's especially fun when you have a squad that works together and has a good mix of kits.
 
2010-03-09 02:05:47 PM  
Maybe I'll see about DLing BFBC2 this weekend and give it a shot. Sounds fun.
 
2010-03-09 02:07:38 PM  
Treygreen13: vinnydoz007: Treygreen13: Speaking of Battlefield Bad Company 2, it rocks.

We need to talk. I need info. I used to be a major BF fan. Thought bad company one was awful. But remain a hardcore BF modern combat fan. Some of the best FPS moments in my life were playing on military servers on that game. I am extremely curious about BF 2. Quick questions? No Prone? what gives? Are the vehicles retarded again? And is the shooting even remotely close to COD good?

1. No prone to get rid of the dolphin divers and to prevent the game from turning into "crawly mcsniper company 2".
2. The vehicles function almost identically to BF2. The choppers are actually easier to fly.
3. The actual shooting isn't as good as MW2... that's MW2's strong point.

I prefer BFBC2 because of the scope of it. If you were extremely familiar with and loved BF2, you will probably love BFBC2.


Hmm. Your endorsement may be enough for me to give it a shot. What are the player caps on the levels? 32 on 32? 64 on 64? While i understand your argument for not putting in prone. I still find it to be very important. They could have simply made it that when your diving to the ground you cant fire your weapon, like people so often do in COD, which is the problem with it. But to not have it at all. Its troubling to me.
 
2010-03-09 02:07:56 PM  
jameslogancourier.org
frowns upon this thread
 
2010-03-09 02:13:26 PM  
developers still haven't quite mastered boob physics
 
2010-03-09 02:15:08 PM  
Knara: Theaetetus: Call me crazy, but in the real-world U.S. military, aren't truck drivers, many of whom are female, delivering supplies frequently the targets of insurgent attacks?

As far as I've heard, the "no women in combat situations" thing is only political. Once you start being fired at, your gender makes no lick of difference, you switch off the safety and send hot death down range back at them.


With the Forward Operating Base concept, not so much. Service & Support soldiers (both male and female soldiers) stay inside the perimeter of a heavily defended FOB, while the Combat Arms guys go outside the walls actively looking for trouble.

Even the few times our Support Company was REQUIRED to go outside the FOB, they'd usually balk and try to weasel out of it.

We had to tow our own damaged trucks back to the FOB, using another Humvee, because it was easier than having our CO argue with the Support Company's CO, that yes, her pwecious widdle snowflakes need to put down the Xbox controller, and get their fat assess off the FOB and give us a tow with their wrecker.

Or the time we moved off the main FOB into a makeshift Combat Outpost in the heart of the city. We dragged a few of the Snowflakes out there with us, kicking and screaming the whole way, as we needed them to operate the pump on the HEMTT fuel truck. They wouldn't walk the 20 yards from the front door to the fuel truck, because they "might" get mortared.
 
2010-03-09 02:15:57 PM  
I didnt know MAG had a sandwich making roll and I've never seen the kitchen bunker.
 
2010-03-09 02:19:17 PM  
Freeside: developers still haven't quite mastered boob physics

www.retrojunk.com

Disagree.
 
2010-03-09 02:22:01 PM  
Because in America's mind, war is just a game.

And everyone knows chicks suck at sports.
 
2010-03-09 02:23:48 PM  
ics4s: I didnt know MAG had a sandwich making roll and I've never seen the kitchen bunker.

I came here to post something similar plus these pics:

www.bloodysushi.com
2.bp.blogspot.com

www.motifake.com
 
2010-03-09 02:25:22 PM  
Freeside: developers still haven't quite mastered boob physics

I'm doing tons of research! Give me time man!
 
2010-03-09 02:25:26 PM  
doh retrojunk. Teaches me to read the source first.

www.electricpig.co.uk

images.techtree.com

Disagree.
 
2010-03-09 02:32:03 PM  
BigSnatch:

Hmmmm. I used the female characters because they held the weapons lower on the screen instead of on the side like the males. Now that I think of it, maybe I did get a few more MAs on male characters, I don't really know.



People actually had the weapons show on their screens in T2?

/had an awesome HUD, no weapons shown, unique reticles for each weapon, minimal clutter, maximized for visibility
//still couldn't make a MA to save his life.
///farmer
////Flare if you love turrets!
 
2010-03-09 02:38:23 PM  
Gunnery Sargeant Ashley Williams respectively disagrees, Sir!
 
2010-03-09 02:38:27 PM  
Actually, there are female soldiers in video games. You just can't see them 'cuz they're out gettin raped behind those crates
 
2010-03-09 02:45:29 PM  
Reverend Otis: IrateShadow: Pocket Ninja: Not to mention that your typical hard-core gamer wouldn't give two shiats about serving alongside female soldiers unless they all looked and dressed like Lara Croft.

In competitive multiplayer, nobody really gives a crap about their avatar at all. The balance is somwhere between making all avatars equal while still allowing for some customization. The unreal tournament series gets around this by putting both genders under so much armor that they can use the same dimensions and hitboxes. Back in the days of Tribes, they didn't take that into account and made the female characters proportional to the male. As a result, everyone played a female character because they were that much harder to hit.

Shazbot!

I need an APC - I need an APC - I need an APC pick-up.


Listen man, just go for a heavy suit and ski it. Trust me, get good at that and you can cross the map very, very quickly and still have the fire power to take some down.
 
2010-03-09 02:46:16 PM  
tortilla burger: Actually, there are female soldiers in video games. You just can't see them 'cuz they're out gettin raped behind those crates

By their own side, no less.
 
2010-03-09 02:49:32 PM  
Halo had female fighters. So does the new Alien vs. Predator game. I'm sure you could find other games.
 
2010-03-09 02:59:20 PM  
Quite a few of the troops in Halo were women, one of them voiced by Laura Prepon (that 70's show's Donna). And now for something completely different.

www.unquality.com
 
2010-03-09 03:02:05 PM  
www.gameaxis.com

Don't know what army they are talking about
 
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