He needed a cop to tell him to use the brakes and emergency brake?

And he always had the option to turn the engine off?

I know it's easy to get driver's licenses and pass the driving test, but come on.

If this is some stupid way to try and jumpstart the detroit manufacturers, I guess it will work.

jaylectricity: Why don't these morons learn to just put the car in neutral and kill the engine. The brakes will still have power as long as you apply even pressure on them until you stop, and as long as you're moving, the steering won't be too difficult. If you have half a brain you'll get the car pointed in a good direction before it becomes difficult to turn the wheel.

I admittedly don't know much about cars, but I do know some that turn off the power steering and lock the steering column when the ignition is shut off.

I also hear the Prius is "too smart" to let you go to neutral while in motion.

gund: He needed a cop to tell him to use the brakes and emergency brake?

And he always had the option to turn the engine off?

I know it's easy to get driver's licenses and pass the driving test, but come on.

If this is some stupid way to try and jumpstart the detroit manufacturers, I guess it will work.

Unfortunately, most people really are this farking stupid. Anyone too farking stupid to stop his car in this situation should have been left to die. He's lucky I'm not his neighbor: I'd razz him until he lost the will to live and killed himself.

the_sidewinder: jaylectricity: Why don't these morons learn to just put the car in neutral and kill the engine. The brakes will still have power as long as you apply even pressure on them until you stop, and as long as you're moving, the steering won't be too difficult. If you have half a brain you'll get the car pointed in a good direction before it becomes difficult to turn the wheel.

This



Video: Calif. Police halt runaway Toyota Prius displaying unintended acceleration (new window)



"Law enforcement involvement in the near-catastrophe began when a driver reported to the CHP that his blue Toyota Prius was accelerating uncontrollably and he was unable to turn off the vehicle or shift into neutral. The driver reportedly traveled at speeds over 90 miles per hour* while covering approximately 30 miles, according to new details. "

Toyota workers outlined safety concerns in ignored 2006 memo (new window)

A mechanic's worst nightmare.

Must have been going down a hill... a really steep one.

Disputed Toyota documents could shed light on safety accusations (new window)

animeman: Must have been going down a hill... a really steep one.

It was actually going up an slightly steep incline.

Video: Calif. Police halt runaway Toyota Prius displaying unintended acceleration (new window)

LurkatWork:
I admittedly don't know much about cars, but I do know some that turn off the power steering and lock the steering column when the ignition is shut off.

I also hear the Prius is "too smart" to let you go to neutral while in motion.

If you have a driver's license, turn it in. I'm serious. You have no business being in charge of a dangerous instrument that can kill people. You are too ignorant to operate a car.

1. Power steering is not necessary to steer. With the engine off, you can still steer, you just have to exert more effort. If you don't know this, you should not be driving.
2. There is always a position of the ignition switch between "run" and "lock" that turns the engine off without locking the steering. Again, if you don't know this, you should not have a driver's license. You are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I'm not joking. You are a hazard. You should not be driving.

FTFA: A patrol car pulled alongside the Prius and officers told Sikes over a loudspeaker to use the brakes and emergency brake.

HAHA! Use the brakes? Genius!

Dubai Vol: LurkatWork:
I admittedly don't know much about cars, but I do know some that turn off the power steering and lock the steering column when the ignition is shut off.

I also hear the Prius is "too smart" to let you go to neutral while in motion.

If you have a driver's license, turn it in. I'm serious. You have no business being in charge of a dangerous instrument that can kill people. You are too ignorant to operate a car.

1. Power steering is not necessary to steer. With the engine off, you can still steer, you just have to exert more effort. If you don't know this, you should not be driving.
2. There is always a position of the ignition switch between "run" and "lock" that turns the engine off without locking the steering. Again, if you don't know this, you should not have a driver's license. You are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I'm not joking. You are a hazard. You should not be driving.

Thanks for the hysterical hyperbole internet tough guy.

I guess subby doesn't understand what a Prius is? Another intellectual triumph of the small-dicked.

Dubai Vol:
If you have a driver's license, turn it in. I'm serious. You have no business being in charge of a dangerous instrument that can kill people. You are too ignorant to operate a car.

1. Power steering is not necessary to steer. With the engine off, you can still steer, you just have to exert more effort. If you don't know this, you should not be driving.
2. There is always a position of the ignition switch between "run" and "lock" that turns the engine off without locking the steering. Again, if you don't know this, you should not have a driver's license. You are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I'm not joking. You are a hazard. You should not be driving.

Or you could read 6 posts up. If you can't read the posts by homeoftheblues then you shouldn't be reading this thread.

Seriously, you are a hazard to this thread. You should not be here.

You are putting everyone in this thread in serious danger by posting.

Dubai Vol: LurkatWork:
I admittedly don't know much about cars, but I do know some that turn off the power steering and lock the steering column when the ignition is shut off.

I also hear the Prius is "too smart" to let you go to neutral while in motion.

If you have a driver's license, turn it in. I'm serious. You have no business being in charge of a dangerous instrument that can kill people. You are too ignorant to operate a car.

1. Power steering is not necessary to steer. With the engine off, you can still steer, you just have to exert more effort. If you don't know this, you should not be driving.
2. There is always a position of the ignition switch between "run" and "lock" that turns the engine off without locking the steering. Again, if you don't know this, you should not have a driver's license. You are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I'm not joking. You are a hazard. You should not be driving.

DRIVE BY WIRE

And you should not be taking up oxygen if you've never heard of that.

Seriously, you really need to Dr. Kevorkian yourself for being as stupid as you are.

Dubai Vol: LurkatWork:
I admittedly don't know much about cars, but I do know some that turn off the power steering and lock the steering column when the ignition is shut off.

I also hear the Prius is "too smart" to let you go to neutral while in motion.

If you have a driver's license, turn it in. I'm serious. You have no business being in charge of a dangerous instrument that can kill people. You are too ignorant to operate a car.

1. Power steering is not necessary to steer. With the engine off, you can still steer, you just have to exert more effort. If you don't know this, you should not be driving.
2. There is always a position of the ignition switch between "run" and "lock" that turns the engine off without locking the steering. Again, if you don't know this, you should not have a driver's license. You are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I'm not joking. You are a hazard. You should not be driving.

Wow, you're a farking loser. And on fark, it has to be pretty extreme to warrant mentioning.

homeoftheblues: Toyota workers outlined safety concerns in ignored 2006 memo (new window)
I make it a point to warn everybody of everything. Naturally they ignore me, but this "shotgun" approach means I can come back later and look like I was on top of any problem all along, and they just couldn't see my wisdom.

Lemme point out that memo was for "general quality problems which could be safety problems because you work us too hard and we want easier jobs and better pay". That's not all that specific, is it?

And there's still no indication on what the "unintended acceleration" problem IS. Probably an obscure design defect involving silicon errata. Because they've looked at the pedals on alleged runaway vehicles and there's nothing wrong with them. Nothing is broken or shorted out. Toyota would love it if that were the case.

And I'm sure they've reviewed the software in and out too. Coming from a hardware verification background, what this might be is a silicon problem where the microprocessor fails in a simple operation under some very rare condition, where a pair of nested hardware interrupts occur during an Add operation and the Carry bit is not saved while the second interrupt routine executes. This is not going to reproduce on queue since the processor will not know something was calculated wrong and the conditions which caused it are not recorded.

These can be very very difficult to find if you have no clue as to what the condition might be. The number of possible conditions to blindly test for is just plain astronomical.

And this is why Toyota's shiatting bricks: OK, say one software guy says "you know, maybe the pedal should calculate the value it sends THIS way, like calculate it twice and see if the values agree, so any transient calculation error won't be passed along". But do we KNOW that's even the problem? They're gonna spend many, many millions to do this.

And I'll say this: even IF you actually do fix the problem, SOME people will continue to report unintended acceleration and sue you. Or maybe those are the people who mistakenly put their foot on the wrong damn pedal. You can't win, because the media will burn you when the first "report" comes out- and you won't be able to objectively say for sure whether your car did accelerate on its own or they're just crackpots or liars.

I order you... STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!

WalkingSnake: Dubai Vol:
If you have a driver's license, turn it in. I'm serious. You have no business being in charge of a dangerous instrument that can kill people. You are too ignorant to operate a car.

1. Power steering is not necessary to steer. With the engine off, you can still steer, you just have to exert more effort. If you don't know this, you should not be driving.
2. There is always a position of the ignition switch between "run" and "lock" that turns the engine off without locking the steering. Again, if you don't know this, you should not have a driver's license. You are a danger to everyone else on the road.

I'm not joking. You are a hazard. You should not be driving.

Or you could read 6 posts up. If you can't read the posts by homeoftheblues then you shouldn't be reading this thread.

Seriously, you are a hazard to this thread. You should not be here.

You are putting everyone in this thread in serious danger by posting.

Bazinga.

ultraholland: Tachikoma: /so glad I have an old stick shift
//my car does not try to kill me or find Sarah Conner
///doesn't play CDs either, oh well

seriously, 5-speeds and tape decks
/simplicity, man

Yes. My '89 Nissan Sentra even plays CDs and I love the hell out of it. That car and I have fond high school memories. And just to be a biatch, my kids are going to drive it in high school, too. BWAHAHAHAHA!

Oznog: homeoftheblues: Toyota workers outlined safety concerns in ignored 2006 memo (new window)

I make it a point to warn everybody of everything. Naturally they ignore me, but this "shotgun" approach means I can come back later and look like I was on top of any problem all along, and they just couldn't see my wisdom.

Lemme point out that memo was for "general quality problems which could be safety problems because you work us too hard and we want easier jobs and better pay". That's not all that specific, is it?

And there's still no indication on what the "unintended acceleration" problem IS. Probably an obscure design defect involving silicon errata. Because they've looked at the pedals on alleged runaway vehicles and there's nothing wrong with them. Nothing is broken or shorted out. Toyota would love it if that were the case.

And I'm sure they've reviewed the software in and out too. Coming from a hardware verification background, what this might be is a silicon problem where the microprocessor fails in a simple operation under some very rare condition, where a pair of nested hardware interrupts occur during an Add operation and the Carry bit is not saved while the second interrupt routine executes. This is not going to reproduce on queue since the processor will not know something was calculated wrong and the conditions which caused it are not recorded.

These can be very very difficult to find if you have no clue as to what the condition might be. The number of possible conditions to blindly test for is just plain astronomical.

And this is why Toyota's shiatting bricks: OK, say one software guy says "you know, maybe the pedal should calculate the value it sends THIS way, like calculate it twice and see if the values agree, so any transient calculation error won't be passed along". But do we KNOW that's even the problem? They're gonna spend many, many millions to do this.

And I'll say this: even IF you actually do fix the problem, SOME people will continue to report unintended acceleration and sue you. Or maybe those are the people who mistakenly put their foot on the wrong damn pedal. You can't win, because the media will burn you when the first "report" comes out- and you won't be able to objectively say for sure whether your car did accelerate on its own or they're just crackpots or liars.

NHTSA says more than 60 post-recall Toyota complaints (new window)


"Federal officials now have received more than 60 complaints from Toyota owners who say their vehicles experienced sudden acceleration after repairs under the automaker's two recalls for the problem."

90 MPH on the I8 in California?

That's regular cruising speed for the #1 lane.

DoctorCal: That was beautiful.

There's a reason it's called The Voluntard State.

How in the hell is this the driver's fault?

I have a non-toyota car that has an issue with floor mats. When the accelerator gets stuck down, turning the car off at speeds over 100 miles per hour hitting a hill, isn't really the best option. I hit the break and then the emergency break, and luckily stopped, then killed the engine. I just make sure I know where the floor mat is now, at the time I didn't know it was the floor mat causing the issue.

homeoftheblues: the_sidewinder: jaylectricity: Why don't these morons learn to just put the car in neutral and kill the engine. The brakes will still have power as long as you apply even pressure on them until you stop, and as long as you're moving, the steering won't be too difficult. If you have half a brain you'll get the car pointed in a good direction before it becomes difficult to turn the wheel.

This



Video: Calif. Police halt runaway Toyota Prius displaying unintended acceleration (new window)



"Law enforcement involvement in the near-catastrophe began when a driver reported to the CHP that his blue Toyota Prius was accelerating uncontrollably and he was unable to turn off the vehicle or shift into neutral. The driver reportedly traveled at speeds over 90 miles per hour* while covering approximately 30 miles, according to new details. "

Any article that contains this line line has to be called into question:

"The vehicles did not touch until after they came to a stop, Pennings said. "

Must be one of those incidents involving two stationary vehicles that happen so often.

Oznog: homeoftheblues: Toyota workers outlined safety concerns in ignored 2006 memo (new window)

I make it a point to warn everybody of everything. Naturally they ignore me, but this "shotgun" approach means I can come back later and look like I was on top of any problem all along, and they just couldn't see my wisdom.

Lemme point out that memo was for "general quality problems which could be safety problems because you work us too hard and we want easier jobs and better pay". That's not all that specific, is it?

And there's still no indication on what the "unintended acceleration" problem IS. Probably an obscure design defect involving silicon errata. Because they've looked at the pedals on alleged runaway vehicles and there's nothing wrong with them. Nothing is broken or shorted out. Toyota would love it if that were the case.

And I'm sure they've reviewed the software in and out too. Coming from a hardware verification background, what this might be is a silicon problem where the microprocessor fails in a simple operation under some very rare condition, where a pair of nested hardware interrupts occur during an Add operation and the Carry bit is not saved while the second interrupt routine executes. This is not going to reproduce on queue since the processor will not know something was calculated wrong and the conditions which caused it are not recorded.

These can be very very difficult to find if you have no clue as to what the condition might be. The number of possible conditions to blindly test for is just plain astronomical.

And this is why Toyota's shiatting bricks: OK, say one software guy says "you know, maybe the pedal should calculate the value it sends THIS way, like calculate it twice and see if the values agree, so any transient calculation error won't be passed along". But do we KNOW that's even the problem? They're gonna spend many, many millions to do this.

And I'll say this: even IF you actually do fix the problem, SOME people will continue to report unintended acceleration and sue you. Or maybe those are the people who mistakenly put their foot on the wrong damn pedal. You can't win, because the media will burn you when the first "report" comes out- and you won't be able to objectively say for sure whether your car did accelerate on its own or they're just crackpots or liars.

homeoftheblues:NHTSA says more than 60 post-recall Toyota complaints (new window)


"Federal officials now have received more than 60 complaints from Toyota owners who say their vehicles experienced sudden acceleration after repairs under the automaker's two recalls for the problem."

And the question remains: should you believe them, or not? It's rather fashionable- and potentially profitable- to complain about it now. It's a toxic meme. Now there may or may not still be a problem. In fact there may or may not EVER have been a problem to begin with. But now that it's infamous, everyone will THINK they have the problem, and the complaint reports are almost meaningless without material evidence.

I would be willing to take a few Lexus demo units for long term testing.

I bet this incident is proved to be bull crap and this guy is just an attention grabbing nut job..... this reminds me of an incident a few years back when some crazy girl called the cops to report the same thing (and it was not a Toyota... the cops had to stop her car forcefully. After an inspection her car was found to have no problems..... well a few months later the same thing happened to her this time in a parking lot. She was then arrested... this guy just happened to do it at a very convenient time....there is no way you can not Turn your car off... Apply the brakes or put the car in neutral...not possible

Oznog: Oznog:
And the question remains: should you believe them, or not? It's rather fashionable- and potentially profitable- to complain about it now. It's a toxic meme. Now there may or may not still be a problem. In fact there may or may not EVER have been a problem to begin with. But now that it's infamous, everyone will THINK they have the problem, and the complaint reports are almost meaningless without material evidence.

Moreover, I can see people being caught well over speed limit going for broke by accelerating even harder and then blaming it on Toyota

homeoftheblues: DoctorCal: That was beautiful.

There's a reason it's called The Voluntard State.

How in the hell is this the driver's fault?

because he was faking it....

EvilHomer: homeoftheblues: DoctorCal: That was beautiful.

There's a reason it's called The Voluntard State.

How in the hell is this the driver's fault?

because he was faking it....

Man, you should tell the police about that, because they obviously missed something.

they will figure it out when they check the car ..all they have is his word right now ..or do you know something I don't

homeoftheblues: DoctorCal: That was beautiful.

There's a reason it's called The Voluntard State.

How in the hell is this the driver's fault?

Once again, FTFA: "A patrol car pulled alongside the Prius and officers told Sikes over a loudspeaker to use the brakes and emergency brake.

After the car slowed to about 50 mph, Sikes felt safe enough to turn off the engine and coast to a halt."

The dumbsh*t didn't think to try the brakes until the cop showed up. He's not COMPLETELY at fault, obviously, but he's functionally retarded.

Woz says it's a reproducible software issue:

"Toyota has this accelerator problem we've all heard about," Wozniak said. "Well, I have many models of Prius that got recalled, but I have a new model that didn't get recalled. This new model has an accelerator that goes wild, but only under certain conditions of cruise control. And I can repeat it over and over and over again--safely."

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10445564-64.html

/Woz knows a thing or two about software issues

The guy drove for 30 miles (15 -20 minutes) with the accelerator stuck...Just happened to be in the perfect area where he could drive for over 30 miles open throttle... and then his car conveniently slows down when the cop gets there ....Come on ...anyone buying this at all...

lokiminio: The dumbsh*t didn't think to try the brakes until the cop showed up. He's not COMPLETELY at fault, obviously, but he's functionally retarded.

I've never driven a car you couldn't shift into neutral while you were driving...

ultraholland: Tachikoma: /so glad I have an old stick shift
//my car does not try to kill me or find Sarah Conner
///doesn't play CDs either, oh well

seriously, 5-speeds and tape decks 8-track
/simplicity, man

/take'n ya back

Either it is possible to set the car in neutral and turn off the ignition, or it is not.

The article states he couldn't at 90mph, but at 50mph he could.

I call bullshiat on the notion that you can't turn of the ignition and set the car in neutral at any speed. Fark, you'd want to set the car in neutral anytime you anticipate a stop, ie. a ramp or a traffic light, why the hell wouldn't you be able to?

/me comes from a country where taking a drivers license is a serious thing, and if you don't know enough to set your car in neutral when you approach a trafficlight then you shouldn't be driving. :D

kidsizedcoffin: I would be willing to take a few Lexus demo units for long term testing.

Can you explain to me the appeal of a Lexus? As far as I can tell it's a Toyota in beige.