Agrees.

Remember folks about the FBI warning at the start of every DVD or Blu-Ray, that includes rentals too.

Besides, who returns DVDs or Blu-Rays to a physical store today? The teen must not have the internet for good reasons.

"Well, let me tell you something, funny boy. Y'know that little stamp, the one that says "New York Public Library"? Well that may not mean anything to you, but that means a lot to me. One whole hell of a lot. Sure, go ahead, laugh if you want to. I've seen your type before: Flashy, making the scene, flaunting convention. Yeah, I know what you're thinking. What's this guy making such a big stink about old library books? Well, let me give you a hint, junior. Maybe we can live without libraries, people like you and me. Maybe. Sure, we're too old to change the world, but what about that kid, sitting down, opening a book, right now, in a branch at the local library and finding drawings of pee-pees and wee-wees on the Cat in the Hat and the Five Chinese Brothers? Doesn't HE deserve better? Look. If you think this is about overdue fines and missing books, you'd better think again. This is about that kid's right to read a book without getting his mind warped! Or: maybe that turns you on, Seinfeld; maybe that's how y'get your kicks. You and your good-time buddies. Well I got a flash for ya, joy-boy: Party time is over."

Damn you, texastag for beating me to the draw.

But the important question is; did he rewind the DVD first?

How did this get escalated to a criminal proceeding ?

Wouldn't this fall under civil litigation ?

I don't see how failure to return a library book, movie etc falls under the jurisdiction of law enforcement. Isn't this why they have fees for overdue stuff ?

Sorry bud, "forgetting to return" can also be called "stealing."

Don't be thief if you don't want to get arrested.

The library is being cheated. $30 for a dvd movie? WTF. Is that city/public library gouging prices?

CruiserTwelve: "This is a clear violation of his right to due process," said Allen.

Um, no dad, it's not. The kid was irresponsible and it bit him in the ass. Don't blame the city.

The lesson here should be that if you borrow something, return it. You don't get to keep library DVDs.

If the city was so right, why did they reimburse the family and clear the kid's record?

gund: The library is being cheated. $30 for a dvd movie? WTF. Is that city/public library gouging prices?

This.

Reminds me of this one time I rented Star Wars: Jedi Power Battles from a Blockbuster. I had it for a few months, then it just disappeared one day. I'm not sure that thing ever got returned. They never called, so I assume my roommate took it back.

Then again, I could have a warrant out for my arrest if I ever step back in that Blockbuster.

Yeah, libraries are so doomed and I could not be happier.

texastag: Agrees.

And... done in one

Wow,my library gives a 14 day grace period after the due-date, and even then I didn't get a fine of any kind. They were just happy to have the book returned

Library should have known it was a mistake because it was House of Flying Daggers, not Jackass 2 or something.

/Pluto Nash
//Son of the Mask
///Superbabies: Baby Geniouses 2

Nayest

Yeah, libraries are so doomed and I could not be happier.

Sounds like someone had a encounter in the bushes with the Library Policeman.


/Sthhhheedy.....Sthhhheedy.....

$30 my ass. Why don't they go after people who scratch the crap out of those DVDs. A lot of them don't even work.

gund: The library is being cheated. $30 for a dvd movie? WTF. Is that city/public library gouging prices?

Libraries can't buy prices at normal rates, licensing fees, etc.

You think netflix buys their DVDs at the same rates you do?

Pimple: gund: The library is being cheated. $30 for a dvd movie? WTF. Is that city/public library gouging prices?

Libraries can't buy prices at normal rates, licensing fees, etc.

You think netflix buys their DVDs at the same rates you do?

I expect when you buy 1000 copies at a time like netflix, there's probably a discount. The library bought 1 or 2? And probably bought from some gov't approved source which cost more than wal-mart or amazon anyway.

ne2d:

If the city was so right, why did they reimburse the family and clear the kid's record?

Because even if they're right, it's not worth the hassle of going through the legal process if the family continues to raise a stink.

...and creating a nuisance.

I was hoping it was a documentary about Columbine. Just to throw that extra twist into the story.

tukatz: Why didn't he return the crappy movie?

If it's anything like library books, the library's info is stamped all over it.

And why go to the library? Download it off the internet like everyone else.

because that's stealing too. You can't be sure you're not breaking some law by sneezing in this country sometimes.

Pimple: gund: The library is being cheated. $30 for a dvd movie? WTF. Is that city/public library gouging prices?

Libraries can't buy prices at normal rates, licensing fees, etc.

You think netflix buys their DVDs at the same rates you do?

Yeah i was going to say this. Having worked at both a library and DVD place I can say they don't pay the same amount as regular consumers pay. At the rental place we had dvd's worth $60-$70. It was always fun to explain that to customers who lost movies...

I'm guessing either this kid was too lazy to fill out a change of address card, or he got his many letters from the library and ignored them. Either way, fark him. I would agree that being arrested is going too far, but if the tool hadn't gotten pulled over for his speeding ticket/running red light violation that wouldn't have happened either.

kindms: How did this get escalated to a criminal proceeding ?

Wouldn't this fall under civil litigation ?

I don't see how failure to return a library book, movie etc falls under the jurisdiction of law enforcement. Isn't this why they have fees for overdue stuff ?

At some point, it ceases to become "forgetting to return" and becomes "theft." Just like how something as simple as refusing to tuck in your uniform shirt ceases to be about the uniform procedures and becomes a case of insubordination...

I was behind a guy at the library the other day, and the librarian told him that he had start making payments, he owed them $35. Then she checked out some more books to him.

the library here must be pretty lax. I still return all my stuff on time.

he had it coming

/come with me son, I'm a polith man.
//in no way is this obscure.

who buys dvd's for $30? city comptroller should be fired.

Nayest: Yeah, libraries are so doomed and I could not be happier.

of course they are. Because I buy all my books brand new, read them once, and then just throw them away. It's the American way!

wage0048: kindms: How did this get escalated to a criminal proceeding ?

Wouldn't this fall under civil litigation ?

I don't see how failure to return a library book, movie etc falls under the jurisdiction of law enforcement. Isn't this why they have fees for overdue stuff ?

At some point, it ceases to become "forgetting to return" and becomes "theft." Just like how something as simple as refusing to tuck in your uniform shirt ceases to be about the uniform procedures and becomes a case of insubordination...

No, a bench warrant was issued. That's when it became criminal. No matter what, if you are summoned, you have to go to court. The only reason this was dropped was due process. No one ever officially contacted the kid.

I understand why the library needs their movie or money, but arresting the kid? C'mon! Isn't there a way the library could have looked up relatives names and gotten his new number or something?

/Collection agencies tend to be able to search out anyone and everyone I know in their efforts to contact me
//Owe waaay more than 30 bucks and late fees and haven't yet been arrested for it

FarkinHostile: Nayest

Yeah, libraries are so doomed and I could not be happier.

Sounds like someone had a encounter in the bushes with the Library Policeman.


/Sthhhheedy.....Sthhhheedy.....

Now my mouth tastes like licorice.
Red licorice.

syndic8: wage0048: kindms: How did this get escalated to a criminal proceeding ?

Wouldn't this fall under civil litigation ?

I don't see how failure to return a library book, movie etc falls under the jurisdiction of law enforcement. Isn't this why they have fees for overdue stuff ?

At some point, it ceases to become "forgetting to return" and becomes "theft." Just like how something as simple as refusing to tuck in your uniform shirt ceases to be about the uniform procedures and becomes a case of insubordination...

No, a bench warrant was issued. That's when it became criminal. No matter what, if you are summoned, you have to go to court. The only reason this was dropped was due process. No one ever officially contacted the kid.

Ahh, I missed the part about the bench warrant.

cryinoutloud: Nayest: Yeah, libraries are so doomed and I could not be happier.

of course they are. Because I buy all my books brand new, read them once, and then just throw them away. It's the American way!

The person in that post is likely referring to some hypothesized digital age, where the vast majority new readable material ( as well as an increasing pool of older material ) is or will soon be available in a machine readable format thereby making traveling to a physical location in order to borrow or purchase content obsolete.

Sounds like science fiction to me though.

"As a result of Henson's story, the mayor of Littleton, Doug Clark, issued a statement to 7NEWS saying the city going to change its policy and. "We're not going to arrest people who don't return $30 DVDs."

Unless they're black or something.

and "If the car dealer allows me to test drive a car and I don't bring it back, can I just say "I forgot" and be forgiven? The only difference is the value of the item. It's still a crime called "larceny by conversion."

You can't tell the difference between an automobile and a dvd? Do you really think the only difference is the price. You can't see how somebody could legitimately forget about a dvd but how that same person couldn't really honestly forget that to return a car after a test drive?

Moran.

"But, in the latest development, the Louisville city attorney contacted the family and agreed to reimburse them for all arrest and court related costs as well as strike the arrest from the teens permanent record."

Why would the Louisville city attorney have anything to do with it? Littleton and Louisville aren't anywhere close to each other (over an hour apart).

Came to see "Conan the Librarian" posted, leaving happy.

Who in the world pays $30+ for a DVD? Government, that's who!

Trance750 [TotalFark] Quote 2010-03-08 04:06:47 PM
Wow,my library gives a 14 day grace period after the due-date, and even then I didn't get a fine of any kind. They were just happy to have the book returned

Hell, they should be happy that anyone even uses the "li-berry" anymore. (Aside for the homeless who piss behind the books down the history aisle).