Why wouldn't prisoners count? Are they not citizens? Are they being counted elsewhere? No I did not read the article.

"Gary?"

"Gary!"

"Gary."

oh that Gary, always making the numbers dance...

Approves

Lampmonster: Why wouldn't prisoners count? Are they not citizens? Are they being counted elsewhere? No I did not read the article.

It took you far more time to post this than it would have to read the exceptionally-brief article, plus you would have the added bonus of not asking a question that was not only answered but pretty much the main thesis of the article anyway. Just sayin'.

Don't forget to count those lying in wait for the second coming. Why not? They're voters...

Because it worked so well before. (new window)

Don't forget to count the CHUDS and mole-people.

Seems about right... Since I lived in Indiana when I joined the military in 1992, I remain an Indiana full-year resident/taxpayer until I retire.

Awesome state... Sometimes I'm not even ashamed to be a Hoosier.

/Other times I am awake.

Worked a project in Gary back in the day, frightening. You did not let the sun set on you while in Gary.

Oh - this is obligatory

Harold:
Gary, Indiana!
What a wonderful name,
Named for Elbert Gary of judiciary fame.
Gary, Indiana, as a Shakespeare would say,
Trips along softly on the tongue this way--

Gary, Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
Let me say it once again.
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
That's the town that "knew me when."
If you'd like to have a logical explanation
How I happened on this elegant syncopation,
I will say without a moment of hesitation
There is just one place
That can light my face.
Gary, Indiana,
Gary Indiana,
Not Louisiana, Paris, France, New York, or Rome, but--
Gary, Indiana,
Gary, Indiana,
Gary Indiana,
My home sweet home.

There is a spot on the census form to indicate if a person listed is staying in jail or prison. I would take that to mean that they want people to include people who would live at a given address if it weren't for their incarceration...

FTFA: Some civil rights advocates and municipal leaders argue that the current way inmates are counted gives prison towns an unfair advantage in census counts.

Ummm, yeah... minimizes the NIMBY arguments when it comes time to build a new one

because God knows we need more prisons... just keep those drugs illegal and we can imprison all the minorities we can find... you white trash types, you're included...
//hardcore libertarian represent!

nastro: Don't forget to count the CHUDS and mole-people.

tht made me laugh so loud that i had to disguise it as a cough.

thank you my good man.

If they want them to count, let em out to roam the streets of Gary

Why would somebody actually want to live in Gary? I have never driven through there and been anything but depressed by the time I leave. Hell, I'd sooner live in Juarez, Mexico than that craphole.

The skyline of Gary, Indiana.

nastro: Don't forget to count the CHUDS and mole-people.

You realize the state of Florida is already part of the census, right?

xanadian: Cantankerous Gnome: Approves
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Ok, and I'm out.

/I KNEW there was big trouble...

That's Trouble, with a capital T, and that rhymes with P, and that stands for Prisoners in your census!

xanadian 2010-03-08 11:39:26 AM
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Ok, and I'm out.

/I KNEW there was big trouble...

...right here in River City!

TFA: "Some civil rights advocates and municipal leaders argue that the current way inmates are counted gives prison towns an unfair advantage in census counts."

This is actually an intelligent move if you look at it in the reverse (compared to both the subby & article author). Gary is unlikely to have so many incarcerated ex-residents that this will give them a massive boost. However, it is likely to generate a massive cut in the official population numbers for cities competing for the same pool of funds which are hosting prisons. Under the current system, they generate revenue by running the prison, and they get more than their fair share of government funds by inflating their population numbers.

Been there...what a horrible, horrible place. Picture the worst neighborhoods in Detroit, Houston, NOLA, and Baltimore; combine them.

nastro: Don't forget to count the CHUDS and mole-people.

Zombies, let's not forget to count the Zombies. Surely there are boatloads of them in Gary, I mean what else could be there

fushigi: TFA: "Some civil rights advocates and municipal leaders argue that the current way inmates are counted gives prison towns an unfair advantage in census counts."

This is actually an intelligent move if you look at it in the reverse (compared to both the subby & article author). Gary is unlikely to have so many incarcerated ex-residents that this will give them a massive boost. However, it is likely to generate a massive cut in the official population numbers for cities competing for the same pool of funds which are hosting prisons. Under the current system, they generate revenue by running the prison, and they get more than their fair share of government funds by inflating their population numbers.

Maybe Gary should build a prison...solved

fushigi: TFA: "Some civil rights advocates and municipal leaders argue that the current way inmates are counted gives prison towns an unfair advantage in census counts."

This is actually an intelligent move if you look at it in the reverse (compared to both the subby & article author). Gary is unlikely to have so many incarcerated ex-residents that this will give them a massive boost. However, it is likely to generate a massive cut in the official population numbers for cities competing for the same pool of funds which are hosting prisons. Under the current system, they generate revenue by running the prison, and they get more than their fair share of government funds by inflating their population numbers.

Yeah, I'm torn on this, on one hand the prison city does have the people there and the burden they bring, so why should their 'home' city get the count?
On the other hand, this would seem like a good way to inflate numbers for the host city.

Isn't that someplace in Ecuador?

As a Hoosier I can safely say we would be happy to give Gary to Illinois.

Any story you have heard about what a hell hole Gary is does not do it justice. Double your estimate and then you are about half way there.

blackmtnmantheonly: Isn't that someplace in Ecuador?

No, it's in a little place west of Indiana called The Region.

generaltimmy: fushigi: TFA: "Some civil rights advocates and municipal leaders argue that the current way inmates are counted gives prison towns an unfair advantage in census counts."

This is actually an intelligent move if you look at it in the reverse (compared to both the subby & article author). Gary is unlikely to have so many incarcerated ex-residents that this will give them a massive boost. However, it is likely to generate a massive cut in the official population numbers for cities competing for the same pool of funds which are hosting prisons. Under the current system, they generate revenue by running the prison, and they get more than their fair share of government funds by inflating their population numbers.

Maybe Gary should build a prison...solved

I think it's already a prison.

Gang members from Gary, Hammond and Chicago come to Indianapolis for a second chance at life, and always blow it. Gangs in California call Indy "Little LA" because it's perfect for gang activity, being a central hub in order to run drugs from Chicago to the East coast. It's "uncharted" territory.

Indy keeps becoming a bigger shiathole, year after year. The crime rate per pop is worse than NYC.

City of Gary, Indiana trying to triple its population in time for census

ACORN is on it!

My dad used to own a shop in Gary. I used to go with him when I was a kid.

That place was messed up. Even from my 12 yr old eyes, I could tell something was seriously wrong with that place. That picture pretty much tells how Gary looks like. It's a ghost-town during the day and a frightening city at night.

Samantha: Easy, sport. I got myself outta Beirut once, I think I can get outta New Jersey Gary, Indiana.
Mitch: Yeah? Well, don't be so sure. Others have tried and failed. The entire population, in fact.

- From the movie "The Long Kiss Goodnight" (the director's cut - Gary, Indiana version)

Sounds like trouble...

So, they're opening the census to the vampire population?

Cool.

Trashcan Man approves.

/ka-WHUMP

I remember stopping for gas in Gary once and nearly died hopping my car over all the cracked pavement and potholes on the OFF RAMP. Not a good first impression.

I figure that if there's a city that's going to host a prison, then they can have the census benefits.

Obviously, nobody "wants" the prison in their back yard; so the people that actually have it in their back yard should get something more for it. As mentioned above:

If you want credit for prisoners living in your city, build a prison.

Gary, Indiana, Gary Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
Let me say it once again.
Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana, Gary, Indiana,
That's the town that "knew me when." Gary Indian, Gary Indiana, Gary Indiana!

/I hate that song so much

Gary?

casdawg87: If they want them to count, let em out to roam the streets of Gary

That would be dangerous for the inmates!

ds394: I figure that if there's a city that's going to host a prison, then they can have the census benefits.

Obviously, nobody "wants" the prison in their back yard; so the people that actually have it in their back yard should get something more for it. As mentioned above:

If you want credit for prisoners living in your city, build a prison.

I generally agree with you, but prison has become a big business. And some communities actually do seek out getting a prison because of the prospect of jobs for the area. What I'm not sure on is how many 'bad things' a prison brings with it. For the most part the people in prison do not interact with the community at large. You do get relatives visiting but how bad can that really get?

Shakespeare's Monkey: R.I.P. Gary

Took me a moment to remember that was Gary Glitter and not a photo-aged image of Adam Lambert.

Anyone ever meet anyone from the Gary's area that wasn't a douchbag? Nope, me either.