"Veganism" isn't a belief system.

Britney Spear's Speculum: "Veganism" isn't a belief system.

Well, it's sort of the same.

To the wandering disenchanted following the exodus across the Sinai, this was God:


To millions of Hindus, this is sacred:


And to millions of Vegans, this thing's feelings are more important than well.. probably any of us.

However, the Commission has insisted that scientific or political beliefs such as Marxism and fascism would not be covered. People for whom abstention from alcohol was a way of life would also be protected.

So they're still singling out people for discrimination because they're not as cuddly as teetotallers. Got it.

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Hindus

Oh man if only there was a religion that supported what you just said.

Britney Spear's Speculum: Oh man if only there was a religion that supported what you just said.

Yeah, that'd be cool. But I can dream, can't I?

RodneyToady: Jainism may be kinda close.

My point is, veganism isn't a religion.

Britney Spear's Speculum: "Veganism" isn't a belief system.

It is, it's the belief that it is immoral to use any animal products. I don't agree with it, but it makes more logical sense than a lot of belief systems.

The thing is, it is really extreme. I'm a vegetarian, I get limited options on a restaurant menu, vegans typically get none unless it is a specialized place.

You can't make people consider veganism in a law, there is too much shiat to consider. It's a very complex lifestyle out of touch with mainstream society.

I respect Vegans and wish them the best, but we can't have government officials wasting time trying to figure out if insects count or not or if any one of a billion products has some animal residue in it. It's something they have to take care of themselves.

RodneyToady: Jainism may be kinda close.

That's true.

Britney Spear's Speculum: My point is, veganism isn't a religion.

You may be right. But let's parse it anyway. What are the essential components one needs to define something as 'religion' and which of these things does veganism lack?

furiousxgeorge: It is, it's the belief that it is immoral to use any animal products. I don't agree with it, but it makes more logical sense than a lot of belief systems.

And I can agree with this. Even as an Atheist meat eater.

You can't make people consider veganism in a law, there is too much shiat to consider. It's a very complex lifestyle out of touch with mainstream society.

How does fossil fuels work in the vegan lifestyle. Serious question

I respect Vegans and wish them the best, but we can't have government officials wasting time trying to figure out if insects count or not or if any one of a billion products has some animal residue in it. It's something they have to take care of themselves.

I agree here.

I'm for this as long as they protect my PC user rights. I'm sick and tired of these "I'm a PC" commercials misrepresenting my people.
I also identify as a Cellular American, I just don't believe in land lines, and sometimes people are drawn to violence at that fact.

How does fossil fuels work in the vegan lifestyle. Serious question

Good question, never thought about it. Brief google search points out that the dinosaurs are all long gone, there is no dinosaur killing industry you take part in when you buy gas. Also, more fossil fuels are used in the production of meat than vegetables by the time you get to the end product.

That just brings up more questions though, for instance, no one would kill an animal just to make glycerin. It would not be cost effective, cutting it out of your diet does not save an animal, but it is still generally not considered vegan.

This goes back to my point, the issues are too complex and non-standardized and individual to be considered in legislation.

furiousxgeorge: Good question, never thought about it. Brief google search points out that the dinosaurs are all long gone, there is no dinosaur killing industry you take part in when you buy gas.

A brief google search also points out that fossil fuels come almost entirely from plankton, not dinosaur bones.

FTA: But the guidance explains: "A belief need not include faith or worship of a god or gods, but must affect how a person lives their life or perceives the world."
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The legislation also covers 'any religious belief or philosophical belief' and even 'a lack of belief'
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However, the Commission has insisted that scientific or political beliefs such as Marxism and fascism would not be covered.

I guess they think there's a sharp and clear line between "philosophical" and "political" beliefs.

Britney Spear's Speculum: "Veganism" isn't a belief system.

Well, yeah, I think it kinda is.

/ At least it's an ethos.
// That leaves more buttered, bacon-wrapped steak for me.

BuckTurgidson: Well, yeah, I think it kinda is.

Not eating or consuming animal products is an answer to the moral question as to why we're on this planet? Oooooook

Britney Spear's Speculum: BuckTurgidson: Well, yeah, I think it kinda is.

Not eating or consuming animal products is an answer to the moral question as to why we're on this planet? Oooooook

Your comment made my brain reboot.

We protect muslims? Well that's just great.

BuckTurgidson: "Veganism" isn't a belief system.

Well, yeah, I think it kinda is.

I'm a meat-eating vegan who believe that cows are made out of grass and corn.
So I'm just cutting up the middle man.

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Holy cow!

furiousxgeorge: How does fossil fuels work in the vegan lifestyle. Serious question

Good question, never thought about it. Brief google search points out that the dinosaurs are all long gone, there is no dinosaur killing industry you take part in when you buy gas. Also, more fossil fuels are used in the production of meat than vegetables by the time you get to the end product.

That just brings up more questions though, for instance, no one would kill an animal just to make glycerin. It would not be cost effective, cutting it out of your diet does not save an animal, but it is still generally not considered vegan.

This goes back to my point, the issues are too complex and non-standardized and individual to be considered in legislation.

If someone is going to live a life that doesn't profit off the death of animals, shouldn't that lifestyle strive to do that in every aspect?

Otherwise it is like being Atheist and praying to God when you can't find the TV remote on a daily basis. Granted it is nearly impossible to live life without coming into contact with something that has used gas/oil.

So Labour is deliberately trying to fark up whatever slim chance they had. Ok.

They've been singled out by the super-quango? fark! Soon they'll be picked by the über-loopan and selected by the fantasti-wallah!

Alright, we'll give some rights to the vegans and the atheists. But we don't want the Irish!

Finally, my Padawan and I will get the protection under law that we deserve.

Britney Spear's Speculum: RodneyToady: Jainism may be kinda close.

My point is, veganism isn't a religion.

Haven't you ever met a glassy-eyed, leaflet-carrying, semi-PETArded evangelical vegan before?

I have. I was once vegetarian for some reason, which made me a sort of evangelical vegan magnet, as they saw me as some sort of lapsed vegan who only needed to be shown some gruesome photos of unhappy dairy cows in order to See The Light and give up the Evils of Cheese And Eggs, which you know are Slavery.

Britney Spear's Speculum: "Veganism" isn't a belief system.

You've obviously never met a vegan.

I once met an extreme vegan, a frugivore, who lived on nothing but fruit and fruit juice. And yes, he was the sickest looking person I have ever seen.

Ya know, why not? why is their way of living less worthy of respect than some zombie worshipping nutters or whatever? If beliefs must be respected then they must, if not then not.

Whole thing just screams "slippery slope." There's a reason some practices are frowned upon, though I won't argue that some social restrictions are ridiculous and should be removed. However, keeping schools from making girls wear skirts because women should have the right to live as men? I just can't get behind that.

This thread needs more bacon.

A tee-totaling, vegan atheist would be a pretty fark-damn boring person at a party.

Again, people do not know the definition of atheism nor its application.

Britney Spear's Speculum: "Veganism" isn't a belief system.

Sure it is.

I saw a Hindi family at the in-n-out yesterday, enjoying some double-doubles. Does that mean there's no beef in them?

There are too many hairs being split because some people are offended too easily. Don't like something? Too bad, the world doesn't revolve around you, ya know.

/man up, pussy.

If religions can force groups to cater to their specific dietary wants I don't see why it is so outrageous for a group unconnected to religion to ask for the same freedom.

If teetotalers are protected, why not drunks? Consuming alcohol can be as central to their life as not doing it is for the abstainers.

In other news, people assume Vegans are beaten up by mobs and left bleeding on the ground

Why the fark to Vegans get this? Does Vega even have habitable planets?

Nick Nostril: A tee-totaling, vegan atheist would be a pretty fark-damn boring person at a party.

Actually vegans are usually psycho in the sack. They need protein somehow.

I believe that busybody, powertripping, holier-than-thou politicians should all jump off a bridge. This belief is central to who I am as a person.

/What do you mean I don't always get what I want?
//but I feel entitled

Vegans, teetotallers and atheists?

Why don't they use the politically correct term "pretentious self-absorbed a-holes" and be done with it?