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(Think Progress)   McCain's anti DADT letter includes signatures of dead guys and generals who never signed it, there's even a one that was put there by the wife of a guy who was already dead and had Alzheimer's for the six years prior   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 103
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2010-03-06 02:14:18 PM
"The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it," McCain said in October 2006 to an audience of Iowa State University students.



Asshat.
 
2010-03-06 02:40:52 PM
- At least seven officers "were involved in scandals tarnishing their careers." Gen. Carl Mundy, for instance, gained negative publicity when he told CBS's 60 Minutes that "minority officers do not shoot as well as the non-minorities."

Gee, General, do you think that might have something to do with the fact that while the military is very diverse, whites tend to flock to Combat Arms, while minorities tend to go into the Service & Support career fields?

You mean a Force Recon Infantry Officer can shoot better than a Finance Officer? Now I've seen everything!
 
2010-03-06 03:09:31 PM
So, it was signed by a bunch of McCain voters?
 
2010-03-06 03:10:58 PM
GAT_00: So, it was signed by a bunch of McCain voters?

/obvious
 
2010-03-06 03:17:09 PM
GAT_00: So, it was signed by a bunch of McCain voters?

And Nancy Reagan
 
2010-03-06 03:22:38 PM
Gittin gays and making stuff up. Yup, McCain has finally left the realm of RINO and become a true republican.
 
2010-03-06 05:21:46 PM
If you drop the soap, don't pick it up.

oraculations.blogspot.com
 
2010-03-06 05:30:15 PM
you get off his lawn nao!
 
2010-03-06 05:44:15 PM
Was that wrong?

Should he not have done that?
 
2010-03-06 05:49:01 PM
Sounds like McCain is finally getting this Illinois-style of politics thing figured out.
 
2010-03-06 05:52:21 PM
smitty04: If you drop the soap, don't pick it up.

Why?
 
2010-03-06 06:27:21 PM
This seems appropriate...and because it was on Comedy Central this afternoon.

Board Member 1: I've never heard of half of these guys and the ones I do know are way past their prime.
Charlie Donovan: Most of these guys never had a prime.
Rachel Phelps: The fact is we lost our two best players to free agency. We haven't won a pennant in over thirty-five years, we haven't placed higher than fourth in the last fifteen. Obviously it's time for some changes.
Board Member 2: This guy here is dead!
Rachel Phelps: Cross him off, then!
 
2010-03-06 06:32:17 PM
So out of 1000 distinguished military men, there are a few irregularities. Therefore the entire document should be thrown out. Perfect liberal thinking.

DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.
 
2010-03-06 06:55:32 PM
As much as don't ask, don't tell is an idiotic policy (and I expect it to be gone within the next year), a handful of problems in a list of 1000 names isn't really that big a deal.

I remember hearing some statistics that on initiative petitions (petitions to get various issues on the ballot), signatures have about a 10% rejection rate for various reasons. If in McCain's letter there were only the handful of mistakes mentioned it isn't too bad.

/he's still a hypocrite on DADT, just not due to this letter
 
2010-03-06 07:08:36 PM
bberg: So out of 1000 distinguished military men, there are a few irregularities. Therefore the entire document should be thrown out. Perfect liberal thinking.

DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2010-03-06 07:20:55 PM
bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

yah, same thing with women and colord folk esp asians and mexicans.

0/10 troll
you didnt even make the effort
no mention of god or showers or single moms or palin or or or
 
2010-03-06 07:28:37 PM
I clicked the link in TFA about the new report, and it doesn't seem that the problem with the letter is just "a few irregularities".

To summarize: 200 of the 1000 names were investigated for the report. So the reported irregularities are not out of the whole 1000, but out of 200. The idea is that you then apply these findings to the document in the way you would apply polling results to the overall population from which the polling sample was taken. And, honestly, you have better chances of a truer sampling when you take 1/5 (unlike the percent of percent that you get in polling...). Does this mean that every 200 grouping will be like this? No. But is it likely that the other 200 groupings will have similar results? Within a certain margin of error, yes.


When you consider this was found from 200 of the names, the findings are pretty interesting. The age thing alone really makes me skeptical about the validity of the opinions of these generals. I'm sorry, but if you've not commanded since a law was enacted affecting the military, then your opinion about it, while your opinion, isn't really material to the topic at hand. If most of these generals haven't commanded during DADT, then how can they know its effect or the effect of repealing it?

All the other problems are just icing. That right there is, to me, the most damning part of the report for this letter.
 
2010-03-06 07:29:52 PM
Supes: I remember hearing some statistics that on initiative petitions (petitions to get various issues on the ballot), signatures have about a 10% rejection rate for various reasons. If in McCain's letter there were only the handful of mistakes mentioned it isn't too bad.

In general, I agree that this isn't a real big deal. However, it reeks of poor decision-making by McCain. With a petition, you are standing out front of a grocery store collecting as many signatures as possible. Not surprising a few anonymous people farked with you. But if McCain wanted 1,000 signatures from people he considered important, he probably should have known who those people were, whether they had problems that could be considered embarrassing, and had a couple staffers follow up to make sure these people were on board.
 
2010-03-06 07:43:35 PM
This just in: Retired military officers over age 70 have conservative views on homosexuality, Tojos.

www.crumbscraper.com
 
2010-03-06 07:52:36 PM
bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.
 
2010-03-06 09:21:01 PM
12349876: bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.


I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.
 
2010-03-06 09:38:26 PM
smitty04: I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women.

So was it medication or therapy which cured your lack of impulse control?
 
2010-03-06 10:01:47 PM
smitty04: 12349876: bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.

I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.


Even if you have a total absence of self-control, I'm sure the women you were showering with would be perfectly capable of containing themselves, and keeping you at bay. Same would go for your hypothetical hormone driven gay man, just because he really really wants to slide his penis into your butt, it doesn't mean you have to let him.
 
2010-03-06 10:17:58 PM
smitty04: I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.

LOL, how old does this statement make you now... 13?

This biatch would be bringing a shank-on-a-rope to the shower to deal with pussies like you. Say bye-bye to those urges after I'd get done with your "uncontrollably" horny self.
 
2010-03-06 10:27:04 PM
Highly insulting to the maturity of every man and woman who is serving today, 12349876. You do realize there are thousands of gay men and women showering with servicemembers of the same sex every day who manage not to lose control and try to have sex with anything that moves? Don't ask, don't tell isn't an outright ban, in case your forgot.
 
2010-03-06 10:30:03 PM
My bad, my last comment was directed at smitty04
 
2010-03-06 10:32:39 PM
smitty04: I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.

I'll let you in on a little secret... We showered with you in HS, we shower with you at the gym, we shower with other players in pro sports locker rooms and we've been showering with guys in the armed forces forever as well.
 
2010-03-06 11:09:12 PM
socalguy: Highly insulting to the maturity of every man and woman who is serving today, 12349876. You do realize there are thousands of gay men and women showering with servicemembers of the same sex every day who manage not to lose control and try to have sex with anything that moves? Don't ask, don't tell isn't an outright ban, in case your forgot.

I agree, but when there is a rare one who can't you file a sexual harassment complaint. bberg was saying he didn't think there was a solution for this rare potential problem.
 
2010-03-06 11:10:20 PM
smitty04: 12349876: bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.

I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.


The gay men have been showering with the straight men under DADT.
 
2010-03-06 11:18:39 PM
How the hell does this go over with Cindy and Meghan? Or do they ignore him because they know he's gone insane?
 
2010-03-06 11:21:37 PM
smitty04: If you drop the soap, don't pick it up.

If you were in a group coed shower and a woman tripped on a bar of soap fell on her ass with her legs up in the air would you really lack the self-control to not immediately rape her?

Do you think it's different for gay men? Showers are generally non-sexual in nature unless you make them sexual in nature, or are a rapist.
 
2010-03-06 11:24:27 PM
Wow! He really IS becoming a Democrat!
 
2010-03-06 11:30:54 PM
2xhelix: I'll let you in on a little secret... We showered with you in HS, we shower with you at the gym, we shower with other players in pro sports locker rooms and we've been showering with guys in the armed forces forever as well.

I wish I was gay so I could have your gaybies because you're my new hero.
 
2010-03-06 11:31:01 PM
RockIsDead: Wow! He really IS becoming a Democrat!

Not your best attempt at a deliberate fallacy.
 
2010-03-06 11:31:05 PM
TheRaven7: smitty04:If you were in a group coed shower and a woman tripped on a bar of soap fell on her ass with her legs up in the air would you really lack the self-control to not immediately rape her?

Do you think it's different for gay men? Showers are generally non-sexual in nature unless you make them sexual in nature, or are a rapist.


THIS. If your sexual urges are that uncontrollable, you've got bigger issues than how effective you'd be in the military.
 
2010-03-06 11:32:34 PM
They're the best people to ask since they're up in heaven with Jesus.
 
2010-03-06 11:33:20 PM
smitty04: 12349876: bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.

I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.


Just because you are an asshole, don't paint everyone as one. Just because a thought crosses your mind doesn't mean you have to act on it.

Also, I'd point out, If you showered all the time with women, you'd get used to it pretty damn quick.
 
2010-03-06 11:42:56 PM
I wonder if they will ever find who killed the 2000 primary John McCain? He will be missed.
 
2010-03-06 11:53:56 PM
Fjornir: gaybies

No biting during sex!
 
2010-03-07 12:11:08 AM
TheRaven7: smitty04: If you drop the soap, don't pick it up.

If you were in a group coed shower and a woman tripped on a bar of soap fell on her ass with her legs up in the air would you really lack the self-control to not immediately rape her?

Do you think it's different for gay men? Showers are generally non-sexual in nature unless you make them sexual in nature, or are a rapist.


Studies have shown that most male/female rapists are very homophobic. It's no coincidence that most severe homophobes are also pretty damn mysoginistic.
 
2010-03-07 12:14:07 AM
metametameta: smitty04: 12349876: bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.

I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.

Just because you are an asshole, don't paint everyone as one. Just because a thought crosses your mind doesn't mean you have to act on it.

Also, I'd point out, If you showered all the time with women, you'd get used to it pretty damn quick.


Exactly.
 
2010-03-07 12:30:56 AM
Fjornir: 2xhelix: I'll let you in on a little secret... We showered with you in HS, we shower with you at the gym, we shower with other players in pro sports locker rooms and we've been showering with guys in the armed forces forever as well.

I wish I was gay so I could have your gaybies because you're my new hero.


Aren't you kind of wrinkly with all that showering?
 
2010-03-07 12:37:49 AM
2xhelix: smitty04: I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.

I'll let you in on a little secret... We showered with you in HS, we shower with you at the gym, we shower with other players in pro sports locker rooms and we've been showering with guys in the armed forces forever as well.


Wait. There were gay people in HS?!
 
2010-03-07 12:43:06 AM
Why is this the public's opinion?

The bottom line, no matter the reason, if you don't trust a person to watch your back for X reason, it will have negative effects. It really shouldn't be up to the public.

Political correctness has gone to far, forcing itself upon soldiers that are regularly in life or death situations. I am not saying that LBGT people are a weak-link, but if some redneck hick thinks they are, it will be problematic. I am 100% pro gay-rights, but I have no place telling a soldier what to do.

The army should hold an internal vote.
 
2010-03-07 12:45:55 AM
Blairr: The army should hold an internal vote.

I do not believe the armed forces are a democracy.
 
2010-03-07 12:50:36 AM
stinieroo: Blairr: The army should hold an internal vote.

I do not believe the armed forces are a democracy.


God damn you Constitution and your Article II!!!
 
2010-03-07 12:54:23 AM
Blairr: The bottom line, no matter the reason, if you don't trust a black person to watch your back for X reason, it will have negative effects. It really shouldn't be up to the public.

Political correctness has gone to far, forcing itself upon soldiers that are regularly in life or death situations. I am not saying that
black people are a weak-link, but if some redneck hick thinks they are, it will be problematic.


YEAH!
 
2010-03-07 01:00:08 AM
Blairr: Why is this the public's opinion?

The bottom line, no matter the reason, if you don't trust a person to watch your back for X reason, it will have negative effects. It really shouldn't be up to the public.

Political correctness has gone to far, forcing itself upon soldiers that are regularly in life or death situations. I am not saying that LBGT people are a weak-link, but if some redneck hick thinks they are, it will be problematic.


Redneck hick doesn't like black people so they shouldn't be able to serve either, right? And redneck hick can't stand anyone who isn't Christian like he is so we better not let any non-Christians in. Heck, redneck hick actually disapproves of papists so we better not let catholics in. To keep it simple we'll make it the straight-white-southern-baptist army, right?



I am 100% pro gay-rights, but I have no place telling a soldier what to do.

I thought this was the stupidest thing I had ever read...

The army should hold an internal vote.

...until I read this. Yes, you have every place to tell a soldier what to do. Our armed forces serve us, not the other way around. The actions of our military are, and ought be, an extension of the will of the electorate. Not "the portion of the electorate currently commissioned or enlisted" but all of the electorate.
 
2010-03-07 01:01:54 AM
Blairr: Why is this the public's opinion?

The bottom line, no matter the reason, if you don't trust a person to watch your back for X reason, it will have negative effects. It really shouldn't be up to the public.

Political correctness has gone to far, forcing itself upon soldiers that are regularly in life or death situations. I am not saying that LBGT people are a weak-link, but if some redneck hick thinks they are, it will be problematic. I am 100% pro gay-rights, but I have no place telling a soldier what to do.

The army should hold an internal vote.


A vote on whether redneck hicks are the weak link? I think that goes without saying.
 
2010-03-07 01:04:16 AM
smitty04: 12349876: bberg: DADT is the best possible solution to the problem of gays being able to serve in the military. Until we can come up with a definitive test to keep those people out, DADT ensures they stay out of the regular people's affairs.

We do, it's called making a sexual harassment complaint.

I could not imagine being able to control myself, at 20 years old, showering with young women. I can't imagine a gay person wanting to shower with other males knowing they will generate sexual harassment problems. Between the harassment and gay bashing complaints, it would be a unmanageable situation.


If you can't control yourself in that situation you are not a man, you are an animal. Possibly a dangerous animal who should be put down for the common good.
 
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