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2003-04-23 01:39:02 PM  
As for the failure of public schools-it's a combination of alot of things, IMHO. The obvious ones include:

Neo-liberal, "hands off" parenting, in which kids are
seen as "little explorers" who can do no wrong.

The new paradigm of teaching to standardized tests
rather than imbuing kids with applicable knowledge

Ill-prepared teachers. I just completed a certification
program and it was, get this, 5 times easier and more
inane than a typical undergrad course of study.

Anyhow...flame, discuss, ignore, who knows?

/and knowing is half the battle
 
2003-04-23 01:39:30 PM  
Heh my kids "scared to date" and doomed to an unhealthy sex life!
my girls are not scared of anything. They are told honestly what the world is like and told how to protect themselves. Do drugs feel good? Yes, that is why people do them. Can they hurt you? Yes some people get hurt when they use. Do some people use and not become "junkies" who lay drooling in the gutter? Yes, but mommy can't explain why some people can experiment and keep it casual and others can't, so let's not take the chance. Simple, my children may not use.
Does sex feel good? Yes, sex is fantastic! Does sex feel good for teen girls who don't even really know about their own bodies yet? No, usually not, most teen boys don't have a clue about what feels good for the girl nor do they care. Why not wait until you are older and can enjoy yourselves which is what sex is REALLY supposed to be about? Can teen girls get pregnant, catch std's, or die because they have sex? Yes, so if you decide that despite my asking you to wait and giving you very good reasons to wait tell me and i will try to make sure you are as safe as possible and without horrible consequence. Will i condone teenage sex? No. Will i be open to talk and provide protection. Absolutely! Are some people in this world dangerous? Yes. Let me show you what i know because i am older and wiser. Should i be paranoid and afraid all of the time because some people are idiots? NO! You should feel strong and empowered because you know how to protect yourselves and make healthy decisions!
Mommy should we duct tape our windows? No.
Mommy should i wear a mask to school? No.
i do not scare my kids i simply tell them to let the boys go kill kittens and leave them alone. i am honest. i am strict. i do not hit them nor do i hit my dog btw *wink*. i have found my kids respect me because i am consistant and have high expectations out of love. my dog obeys my commands within a second of me saying them because she adores me and wants to please me. my kids obey because they know i only want what is best for them and they trust me to teach them right from wrong. They are respectful of adults because that is simply how it is. They are honor role students because they love to learn and grow. i encourage the positive and am very clear and precise about what i feel is wrong or unhealthy. i am involved, i pay attention to what they are doing, and i love them. Personally, i beieve that parenting is simple, it just takes time and effort. Something i have plenty of when it comes to my kids.
my goal= that my girls get a great education and understand why that is so important, that they understand and value friendship, that they have a firm foundation in their family, that they respect and love themselves more then my parents ever taught me so that they do not have to waste half of their adulthood trying to figure out how to be happy within themselves........"being afraid to date" is not big on my "concern for my kids list", dating, love, relationships, healthy sex life, that all falls into place when you are leading a happy successful life and making good choices!
 
2003-04-23 01:39:34 PM  
Tigger:

I believe that i have missunderstood the intent of your original post. Would you be happy with dropping this discussion?
 
2003-04-23 01:39:43 PM  
gradschool = gradeschool (amazing what dropping a vowel can do to a sentence)
 
2003-04-23 01:40:34 PM  
Yeah they would Tigger :P I am a conservitive actually, but I detest the religous right more than liberals :P
 
2003-04-23 01:41:12 PM  
SmallTownGirl:

There's just nothing redeeming there. Every once in a while you get a really great teacher and you get excited again.. then the asshat teacher for the next grade ruins it.

Actually, I didn't even have to wait until the next grade.
In high school I had a young 1st year English teacher who was really energetic, creative, intelligent, and inspiring. After a short time she was told by the aging, tenured asshats in the English dept. to literally "get with the program" or get out. It seems that the other staff thought that she was making them look relatively bad by being creative and trying to teach through the use of newer, more innovative means. After looking miserable for a couple of weeks she finally left and went to teach at a private school. That experience was the one that finally turned me fully over to the dark side of hate for the public school system. I took the CHSPE and left HS that summer.

Now my daughter is in public 1st grade after spending K in a private school. It is an absolute night and day difference. Other than the physical violence she now has to deal with on a daily basis there is just an unbelievably low standard for everything from basic behaviour to general curriculum. Her grammar alone has been destroyed and while we are always working with her it's hard to correct what is learned through 6 hrs per day of exposure to kids who say "aks", "I gots", most likely "nucular" (heh), etc. It's like we sent her from K to Pre-K instead of forward to 1st. Sadly, I can't afford to put her back in private school right now, but I would and will in a heartbeat when things are financially more sound.
 
2003-04-23 01:41:18 PM  
Automatic, (draft-like) military or humanitarian service overseas (they pick) for three years for any student that does not maintain a C average or better throughout their high school "career". You would have to earn the right to be a lazy, rude a$$munch.

No child plays sports at any time, unless they maintain a B average in all of their classes. NO FARKING CHILD! (I know that that college sports, the NBA, the NFL, and most other professional sports teams would suffer, but...damn it all!)
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Damned harsh, but...I think it pays to be an acedemic winner in this world.
 
2003-04-23 01:41:34 PM  
Etihod:But are you saying that all government school institutions are bad?
No, I'm not saying that. I just believe schools would be better in general had the federal government never decided to get involved in education. Of course now, we've been conditioned to believe education is something that should be provided by Uncle Sam, so if they got out now, there would be big problems. I would forsee perhaps a gradual withdrawal, maybe over a 10-20 year period.
Say federal laws about school didn't exist. Upper class kids would go to private schools. Middle class kids would too, only cheaper ones. What would lower class kids do?

Lower class kids need food, shelter and clothing, too; but I don't see many starving, homeless naked kids around. Food, shelter and clothing aren't being handed out for free to middle and upper class kids, unlike free education.
 
2003-04-23 01:41:45 PM  
BanannaRama

entirely comfortable with that.

It's nearly Potbelly sandwich time anyway...
 
2003-04-23 01:42:00 PM  
"Actually.. breeding/parenting licenses would be a good idea. You need a license to have a pet, drive a car, get married, etc, but to breed you just need broken condom and bad luck. If anything would cull the herd some, it would be this :P"


Please do not ever repeat this ridiculous comment again. You need the government to legislate self control? Then what's next? No doggie style sex? No masturbation without a signed sperm release form...

...the ability to become a parent is an inalienable right given by GOD (or, as athiest believe, created by a miraculous series of improbable events). Sadly, there will be bad parents, but then again you need a liscence to drive and everyday I want to beat the shiat out of one of you non-driving bucketheads.
 
2003-04-23 01:42:32 PM  
Cola: Well what kind of person do you want your child to become?

Well behaved, respectful and responsible in life.

The kind that avoids things out of fear?

Fear is generally a good thing. It is after all, the driveing force of a good conscience, whatever the fear stimuli are. Religious beliefs, punishment, etc.

Someone who obeys those who intimidate them?

If you are intimidating your child when punishing them, be it physical or verbal, then you as the parent are doing something wrong.

I rather have a child who doesn't do bad things because she learns about consequences and because she understands them to be wrong. Not "they are wrong because if I do so-and-so I get beaten" but the actual reason why it is wrong to behave in certain ways.

That's why before you administer ANY punishment, be it a grounding, spanking, etc, you EXPLAIN why the child is being punished and what the consequences of their actions have produced. A spanking is NOT a beating. I was BEATEN with PVC pipes, 2 by 4's and lord knows what else. THAT is a beating. A spanking is not a beating.

I think that once you raise your hand on anyone, whether it be your partner, mom, neighbor, or your child, that's a sign that you lost control.

You are disciplining your child, not your husband/wife, parents, neighbors, etc. Spanking a child is NOT a sign of losing control. Smacking your kid up-side the head or kicking them or beating the shiat out of them with the nearest object is losing control. Spanking is a very controlled action and, if set within the guildlines of family rules, can be proven effective.

My children are 5 and 7. Even my 5 year old understand what a spanking is for. She does fear getting a spanking, as she should. She doesn't like getting spanked. But she understands why she gets the spankings and what we are trying to teach her. She doesn't see it as a beating. She understands that the spanking is a measured response for breaking the rules. As is being grounded or any other punishment she must endure for doing something wrong.

A healthy fear of a consequence is good. It helps up see right from wrong and allows us to respect ourselves as well as others. It helps us develop a conscience, which a lot of people seem to be lacking these days. If there is no fear of consequence for our actions, then we have what we are dealing with today. Higher crime rates, mouthy and trashy kids, deviant bahavior, rampant drug use...etc..etc...etc... the list goes on and on.

People have spent too many years relying on people like Dr. Spock and other so-called experts in child rearing that they have forgotten how to raise and teach their children the basics of right and wrong, reward and consequence.
 
2003-04-23 01:42:35 PM  
Cybrwzrd-

The only problem I have with such a system is that it would be bound to be a biased enterprise. It would be well-nigh impossible to define what makes a person mature and intelligent enough to deserve the right to be a parent. If it were left up to alot of the farkers above this post,an agreement to frequently pummel your kids might be a prerequisite.
 
2003-04-23 01:42:45 PM  
Cybrwzrd:
Maybe it would work if it was a fool proof "switch" of some kind that could be implanted and turned on at birth, and which could be turned off to allow for conception for free by any doctor without regard to your financial status. You wouldn't want poor people to be unable to have kids simply because they couldn't afford to get their sterilization button turned off.
 
2003-04-23 01:43:27 PM  
I am a conservitive actually, but I detest the religous right more than liberals :P

Makes sense. The religious right are a more convincing argument not to be a conservative.
 
2003-04-23 01:43:44 PM  
Does sex feel good for teen girls who don't even really know about their own bodies yet? No, usually not, most teen boys don't have a clue about what feels good for the girl nor do they care.

how old are your children?

i do not scare my kids i simply tell them to let the boys go kill kittens and leave them alone.

you seemed to have a warped view of young boys.
 
2003-04-23 01:44:40 PM  
Malicoire: There is also the problem of people trying to live above their means. If they could just enjoy what they have, maybe one job would be enough. Now, this isn't always true but it is often. I was behind a guy at the grocery store the other day who was using food stamps (paid $10 for $120 worth of stuff) while wearing a $150 pair of Timberland boots. Priorities people.
 
2003-04-23 01:45:27 PM  
"6 hrs per day of exposure to kids who say "aks", "I gots", most likely "nucular" (heh)"-Vrax

You forgot my favorite one, "libary 'lie-bary'".
 
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2003-04-23 01:49:12 PM  
i graduated from a public high school last year. inner city chicago, had about 5000 kids. i went to a private university (bradley), while most went to community colleges. some went to U of I, others went directly to work. we had something called the CASE exams at the end of each semister, and we needed to pass, or we'd fail the course. the teachers were forced to teach us what was expected on the CASE exams, so we were forced by the system to learn what they were gonna put on the test. Time was always an enemy, so we spent like, a couple of days on a topic then moved on, and never moved back. It was horrible. Thank god they got rid of the CASE this year. The only tests a high schooler should take are the ACT and SAT, mainly because they are optional and they help with colleges. And kids should be hit. My parents are from Iraq (I'm assyrian), and I am amazed by how much people take for granted. We should take some spoiled brats and send them to a third world country for three months.
 
2003-04-23 01:49:20 PM  
DROx ~ Actually a lot of states have laws on the books where anything put missionary style is illegal (old laws and not enforced.. but still there). Kinda funny, our government legislates our private lives all the time. The ability to breed is no different than the ability of an animal to breed.. it's a built in drive to increase our numbers and ensure our survival. Main difference is humans aren't driven on pure instinct so a more intensive level of parenting is needed. There definetly are people in this world who should not have children.. but I don't think anyone can figure out who those people are in advance. That's why we have social services.. take the kids away once we figure it out afterwards. At some point some restrictions will have to be made just to fight over population, like the one baby rule in China.
 
2003-04-23 01:50:22 PM  
DoubleGGuy:
Lower class kids need food, shelter and clothing, too; but I don't see many starving, homeless naked kids around. Food, shelter and clothing aren't being handed out for free to middle and upper class kids, unlike free education.

So you're saying that everyone should take care of their own education, and those who can't will be provided for just like the basic needs? Not bad in theory, but here are my problems with it. The first major thing, is that there would be no way for anyone to break out of their class. Your parents can only afford to send you to a vo-tech high school? You're a mechanic. Your parents can't afford to send you to school at all? You're a janitor. It might not work out like that, but it certainly wouldn't help break class barriers (not to mention racial divides). The other thing, is I see what the poor in NYC get "provided" for by the city. It ain't much. Why would schools for the poor be any different. You think they're crap now, they'd only be worse.
 
2003-04-23 01:52:19 PM  
Universal forced sterilization is the solution.
 
2003-04-23 01:52:22 PM  
As the baby-boomers grew up, they didn't have as much contact with their parents as older generations. When they had their own kids, they had no idea how to raise a child; they had to ask professionals. These kids were raised by parents reading "Parenting for Dummies." These kids turned around, had their own kids, and raised their own kids the way they were raised, accept they didn't care quite as much. Now what we have is a downward spiral in the art of parenting. Once passed from generation to generation, history has severed the line as we grow out of control, and there really isn't much one can do to make good parents out of nothing. Personally, I think a parenting test should be given; those who pass may have children, those who fail cannot. It is enforceable. But of course, this would be inhuman, just so wrong, how could we? Just like abortions, stem-cell research, eugenics. Oh, certainly God didn't mean for us to do these things... Once you've learned enough history, you realize that attitudes and morals haven't changed that much, people would rather pray for a good life after death than make any attempt to improve things in the meantime, and actual advancement as a society is impossible at this point because most people don't want advancement. Science? Ha. Improvement? Why, we already have Jesus, he's all we need. This country was founded on sheep unfortunately, and we're still so conservative eventually we'll start moving backwards...
I don't mean to be sounding outright anti-religion, but you know the types I'm talking about. The people who send money to televangelists, and nothing is more important than the lord, not even the well being of their own children, their own society. People are stupid, people are blind. This cannot be changed, not now. So what you perceive as some horrible degradation may not be so much so, just the natural order of things in this country. Every generation thought their children were just so bad, how did they turn out that way? Think of it as moral entropy. Nothing's really wrong... just unfortunate.
 
2003-04-23 01:53:02 PM  
BTW, I'm 17 and I go to a pretty bad public school...
 
2003-04-23 01:54:44 PM  
Ahhhh liberalism coming home to roost. Isn't this what we've been teaching our kids? Haven't we demonstrated enough to them that there is no right or wrong just choices of lifestyle? Maybe these kids were just born that way. Hypocrisy in action, many people think these kids behavior is rude and want to impose your own code of morals on the children but these same people will protest against any moral compass beng imposed against themselves. You can't have it both ways.

And what the hell is this continuing mantra of parents aren't involved enough? Hell my parents virtually never helped my kids yet I managed to graduate from school just fine and in fact was at a higher level of education than children are now.
 
2003-04-23 01:55:09 PM  
You can't outlaw having kids without a permit. Can you think of the bad movies that would get made?

In a world where childbirth is illegal...and the act of love is a crime....the only thing more brutal than the system that oppresses mankind is the woman who will take it down....this summer...we fight back.
 
2003-04-23 01:55:33 PM  
...and please do ignore any grammatical errors, I haven't the time to check my wording at the moment :-)
 
2003-04-23 01:56:05 PM  
Vrax: You're exactly right about the bad grammar. It is the most frustrating thing to me to have to correct what mine learn in the groups of other kids that they spend time with. I am slowly making progress but it takes alot of grammar-policing at home, which is tiring. the bad thing about it is the other kids are simply imitating their parents so, of course, the english language is gonna be a complete mess in another generation or two. As if it isn't already.
 
2003-04-23 01:57:12 PM  
OK, so I used to work at an ice rink where hundreds of middle school/early high school kids hung out. They're ridiculous. First off the parents come in and drop them off with 40 bucks (which is way too much money if you ask me) and then go out drinking. It's like the people that have the kids don't even want them, and just pass them around to other random strangers to watch. When I first started managing closing shifts I was shocked at how many kids were left at the end of the night with no way to contact their parents because they were out on dates or out with friends or just out of touch. Kids are becoming more and more worthless and it's because their parents are setting the examples.
 
2003-04-23 01:58:47 PM  
Nyralotep ~ There's a giant difference between teaching kids to repect other people and forcing a religious doctrine down their throats. There are societal standards.. their called laws.. everyone should follow those as best they can. Simple respect can't be legislated, but it can be taught by the parents (not by the government, not by the schools, not by the churches.. this is the relm of the parent). I will fight to the death for my right to be free from religion, but that doesn't mean my children will be rude.
 
2003-04-23 02:00:27 PM  
DROx-

Is it also an inaliable right for said kids to grow up in bad homes, with bad parents, living bad lives? Look at all the real child abuse out there (not spanking). Did those parents deserve to have a kid to abuse?

You need a license to breed/own pets, because they are living things and it it is really for the pet's protection. When you drive a car, you are behind a wheel of something that can be used as a deadly weapon, and or can cause death/serious injury to others if not driven in a responsable manner. These things are not inalienable rights, they are responsibilities.

When you have a child, you are at that point responsible for it's life for the next 18-21 years. You have to make sure it is fed, clothed, given shelter, educated, given morals, and most of all loved. Children are born as clean slates, and what you do to them in their first years affects them for the rest of their life. There are many more failure storys out there of kids with bad parenting than than success stories. Call me a cynic, but I don't think everyone out there is fit for the responsibility (read not right) to have a child.
 
2003-04-23 02:01:38 PM  
AnonymousPoster

You are sooooo correct. I have been battling this for years.

My wife and I enjoy a much higher income level than our parents, and much higher than I imagined I would. But, the day the pursuit of that income gets in the way of raising our children, one of us is quitting our job. In fact, we did that a few years back. We had a rough couple of years where our daughters demanded some pretty constant attention, and simply, "being there." I quit my job, and almost certainly put me off of my career track for a while, because my family needed that. Yes, we did not have as much disposable income as when we were both working, but it was the best thing we ever did.

Admittedly, my wife's salary alone puts us in a pretty decent income bracket, and I understand completely that there are families that need two incomes to simply survive. But there are an awful lot of us who consider susbsistence-level to be two cars, a big-screen TV, cable television, cigarettes, booze, and designer clothes. We all (myself included) need to get our standards re-calibrated periodically.

One of the best things about moving from a pretty high-income suburb into the city is that my daughter now attends a public school where she is the rich kid. She never understood before this year that not every kid (in fact a lot of kids) don't have their own PC. And many don't have internet access at home. They go to a thing called a, "library" to do their homework. It's really helped her get a glimpse of the real world.
 
2003-04-23 02:01:52 PM  
Take away all the helmets, the safety this and safety that. Make things as unsafe as they used to be. Either parents will pay more attention to their children, or the children wont have any children of their own. No one is being killed. No crime is commited. Just nature. Think of it as passive eugenics. We've been poisoning our gene pool for years with all the overprotection. Does anyone seriously think in our present state, with all imperfection worked around, that humans will evolve any further without the aid of machines. We're practically a dead species. So much advancement in the past 100 years alone has left our fragile bodies unable to cope with our own everyday lives, but now we have medicine to fix that. Argg, so many problems, no workable solutions, lol. We probably won't live out the next century anyway as a species, so let's just not worry about it anymore...
 
2003-04-23 02:02:16 PM  
I'm going to be glad when the human race is extinct.
 
2003-04-23 02:02:39 PM  
Cybrwzrd ~ How to you determine who's who? What exactly is the standard? I think there are a lot of people out there who would be good parents if they were just taugh how. So maybe instead of licensing to have children, forcing expecting couples to take a free parenting class?
 
2003-04-23 02:02:42 PM  
So you're saying that everyone should take care of their own education, and those who can't will be provided for just like the basic needs? Not bad in theory, but here are my problems with it. The first major thing, is that there would be no way for anyone to break out of their class.

One idea I've had is that we would set a certain threshold $ level that a parent should spend on their child's education per year. If they're not able to meet this level, then they would be required to seek a loan (to be paid back by the parents, NOT the kids) from the private sector to pay for the education or educate them themselves if they're qualified. If no private sector group is willing to provide the loan, only then would the govt step in and make the loan, and the parents would be required to pay back the govt. Maybe then, people who can't afford to raise kids will think twice before getting pregnant. My sympathies are completely with the kids in these circustances, and I think such a system could work well for everyone.
 
2003-04-23 02:04:01 PM  
Cybrwzrd I agree with you that all people aren't fit or even capable of raising kids. It is sad that 'adults' have to be continually given the benefit of the doubt with the life of a child. You don't get into any sort of trouble until after you've screwed them up. Go figure.
 
2003-04-23 02:06:18 PM  
The parents take no part in the educational process they are putting their children through. They just assume the school system is babysitting their kids correctly.

The teachers might know the material, but they have no skills as far as how to present that material to the students and integrate it with what the students are learning in other classes.

What is being taught in school is also an issue of debate.

This is interesting -
The Comprachicos
 
2003-04-23 02:08:13 PM  
Lartrak: I'm going to be glad when the human race is extinct.

Is that some kind of Zen koan or something?
 
2003-04-23 02:08:28 PM  
heh, i grew up in a nice neighboorhood, nice public schools, i'd say 30% were asshats... very lucky i guess

only had problems in advanced math, could do algerbra in my head until my teachers wanted me to show my work, then it all went downhill and i gave up on math, o well.

english/geometry/teched/ teachers was great, science teacher was just farking retarded and thought lemon smelling pine-sol coating our lab tables and playing mozart in the background improved grades, all i got was a headache.

i've seen the youth of tommarow, and i fear the future.

/livonia, MI. whitest (96%) city (over 200k people) in america.
 
2003-04-23 02:08:47 PM  
SmallTownGirl -

"DROx ~ Actually a lot of states have laws on the books where anything put missionary style is illegal (old laws and not enforced.. but still there)."

Yes, I'm aware of the laws directed at homosexuals which outlaw sodomy.

"There definetly are people in this world who should not have children.. but I don't think anyone can figure out who those people are in advance. That's why we have social services.. take the kids away once we figure it out afterwards. At some point some restrictions will have to be made just to fight over population, like the one baby rule in China."


Just for a second, stop thinking about the absolute worst parents who we all agree should not have children. Now, what man deserves the power to determine whether YOU can have a child? Forget about the abusive crack-head parent right now. I'm talking about YOU. What happens when they decide after reviwing your credit report that a child would not fit in your budget? Be careful what you wish for.
 
2003-04-23 02:09:58 PM  
Spanish_Inquisition: You forgot one thing from the list of things to take away. Lawsuits. When someone can simply sue someone for their own inattention or bad judgement, there is no reason to be responsible because they will not be held accountable. Just ask Tommy Lee. While not a pillar in the community, he should not have been sued because somebody else sent their kid off with an irresponsible person.
 
2003-04-23 02:13:05 PM  
DROx ~ Can you read? You even quoted me...

"but I don't think anyone can figure out who those people are in advance. That's why we have social services.. take the kids away once we figure it out afterwards."

The populations controls I'm talking about in China so not say You can't have a kid or I can't have a kid.. it says we each get one. This has lead to it's own problem of killing girls.. so it's not some perfect solution. I can just see something simpilar happening eventually.
 
2003-04-23 02:13:34 PM  
AnonymousPoster
Maybe I can just assume there wont be anymore lawyer because they all died young of head injuries... There might be some smart ones left, but they'd be so busy with real cases, what with their reduced numbers, that they wouldn't have time to deal with asshats who want money and attention for nothing. Of course, helmets aren't going away... at least not until I have my way. Who wants to help me build a giant orbiting hypno-ray? Anyone?
 
2003-04-23 02:14:29 PM  
BanannaRama

my kids aren't old enough for some of the answers let alone questions above. i was using the questions and answers above as examples of my views and how i am raising them. my oldest is nine and youngest is five. If you read my Boobies though you can see that even at that age they are faced with very "adult" issues even on a childs television station and i address those issues in an age appropriate manner.

Heh, as for killing kittens, it is not literal ........
 
2003-04-23 02:14:55 PM  
DROxINxTHExWIND:

Now, what man deserves the power to determine whether YOU can have a child?

None of course!
 
2003-04-23 02:15:07 PM  
AnonymousPoster ~ I don't think you can take away the right to sue just in case something truly deserving happens.. but judges should throw out more lawsuits.
 
2003-04-23 02:17:39 PM  
I didn't read all the comments. Did anyone refer to the Coleman research 30-40 years ago?
The factor that most influences performance in school is the same now as it was then;
not teacher's salary(I'm a teacher),
not class size,
not per pupil expenditure(include breakfast and lunch), (include tax-payers' after school programs), etc.
but what the child brings to the classroom.
We now know that this applies also to preschoolers and children with a handicap.
School districts love to spend tax payer's money...
lousy results - lots of excuses.
 
2003-04-23 02:18:39 PM  
Good point SmallTownGirl, you would have to set up a program of education to even get the license, you would also have to go through an application process, buy the license (to prove you can afford having the child $10,000, children are expensive you know), which also covers the cost for the classes. If you can make it though the rigorous classes, which are suited to your needs, but since most people have 8-5 jobs, will be from 5:30-10:00 at night and every morning before work for 9 months and if you are a stay at home parent, all day long, and there would be alot of roleplaying/daily ins and out of raising a child. You would be taught the responsity of the task etc. It wouldn;t teach any certain method of raising a child, just teach the responsibility of it. If you can pass the course, you are then given the license, allowed to breed etc. And I am just pulling this out of my ass since you asked by the way, as this is not something I normally think about :P I don't like kids, don't want kids etc.

And by the way, breeding and sex are two diffrent things, you can have all the sex you desire wether or not you have the breeding license.
 
2003-04-23 02:19:48 PM  
Some of the things that schools are doing just drive me nuts. A friend's daughter is in preschool and they have to buy the school lunch every day. They can NOT bring their own and the lunch is NOT free. Why? Because they don't want little Johnny to be upset if he sees little Julie eating a cupcake and his mom didn't pack one. That pisses me off.
 
2003-04-23 02:23:06 PM  
Cybrwzrd ~ That is an insane class. Fitting, but insane. I've always wondered.. when they say it's cose like $100,000 to raise a child to 18.. what is included in that figure?
 
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