I guess she didn't have to tell him twice.

So is she hot?

I reserve my judgement until I see if she's hot or not...

Guys: At what age do you think that an attractive woman goes from being a MILF to a Cougar?

really not terribly surprising. A lot of women involved in anti-domestic violence groups are unfortunately those who have extreme anger against men, and rather than solve the problem of domestic abuse they just want to turn the tables.

borg7of9: Guys: At what age do you think that an attractive woman goes from being a MILF to a Cougar?

Technically a MILF needs to be a mother. And they probably don't qualify if they're some teenager who got knocked up.

borg7of9: Guys: At what age do you think that an attractive woman goes from being a MILF to a Cougar?

Apples and oranges.

"milf" is about what she has (children). "cougar" is about what she does (pick up younger guys). A woman can be one or both or none of those things.

I personally don't think the term cougar applies until you try to pick up someone 20 years or so younger than you are. So that puts the starting age for being a cougar (in my book) around 40. You can be a milf at 19 or 49 - it's totally unrelated.

niiice

Tofu: borg7of9: Guys: At what age do you think that an attractive woman goes from being a MILF to a Cougar?

Apples and oranges.

"milf" is about what she has (children). "cougar" is about what she does (pick up younger guys). A woman can be one or both or none of those things.

I personally don't think the term cougar applies until you try to pick up someone 20 years or so younger than you are. So that puts the starting age for being a cougar (in my book) around 40. You can be a milf at 19 or 49 - it's totally unrelated.

I've heard some people use the term "yummy mummy" for a mom 30-35 or younger, MILF after that. Cougar can be childless, just denotes preference for younger men.

/dang terminology needs to be standardized!

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Christian Bale: really not terribly surprising. A lot of women involved in anti-domestic violence groups are unfortunately those who have extreme anger against men, and rather than solve the problem of domestic abuse they just want to turn the tables.

This.

It seems to me that much of the "women's movement" over the last several decades has morphed from "working to stop men from being such asshats" to "encouraging women to be just as much of an asshat as men are - but when we do it it's "empowering" - but we still want to castigate men who do these things oh, and p.s. it is ALWAYS the man's fault no matter what we do."

Is that it, in a nutshell or did I leave some crazy out?

I fail too. What I meant to do was this:


Approves.

Christian Bale: really not terribly surprising. A lot of women involved in anti-domestic violence groups are unfortunately those who have extreme anger against men, and rather than solve the problem of domestic abuse they just want to turn the tables.

Whether this woman started a charity to act as a guise for "turning the tables" in a vengeful way is unknown. What can be reasonably assumed is that she is definitely not a very rational or grounded person given the level of violence and theater in which it erupted.

There are fantastic organizations in Atlanta that merely want to help women and children live violence free. That's it. No secret hatred cult atmosphere of flannel shirt wearing women hell bent on castrating the men of Atlanta.

They teach women who have been controlled and abused the basic life skills needed to be self sufficient, to start over. Successful organizations such as Partnership Against Domestic Violence are built on compassion, not anger.

/broad brush and all
//male volunteer for 3+ years with man bits still intact

Wanna bet a judge rules that she's somehow a victim and she gets 1/3rd the sentence a man would get?

This happened in one of the busiest parts of central Atlanta - right next to Georgia Tech. This discovery of her background makes the decision to cold shoot a dude in the middle of a busy street even weirder.

People living in the student housing complex across the street took some pictures. Weirdly enough, that spot is almost the exact same place where a potential jumper shut down the whole highway for almost an hour just a few days before. Pretty sure it wasn't the same guy, though.

These types of articles always make me wonder just how much the gap his closing between violence (by men) against women, and violence (by women) against men. I'm sure there is still more violence against women than men, but I think it's getting more common to have the violence against men. Either that or it's just being covered more by the media.

I, for one, had no idea what race (new window) "Arelisha Bridges" might be.

Cubicle Convict: Christian Bale: really not terribly surprising. A lot of women involved in anti-domestic violence groups are unfortunately those who have extreme anger against men, and rather than solve the problem of domestic abuse they just want to turn the tables.

Whether this woman started a charity to act as a guise for "turning the tables" in a vengeful way is unknown. What can be reasonably assumed is that she is definitely not a very rational or grounded person given the level of violence and theater in which it erupted.

There are fantastic organizations in Atlanta that merely want to help women and children live violence free. That's it. No secret hatred cult atmosphere of flannel shirt wearing women hell bent on castrating the men of Atlanta.

They teach women who have been controlled and abused the basic life skills needed to be self sufficient, to start over. Successful organizations such as Partnership Against Domestic Violence are built on compassion, not anger.

/broad brush and all
//male volunteer for 3+ years with man bits still intact


What's your point? The better organizations keep those types out.

Let's take the following situation: Cop beats suspect.

Would you say: wow, that's hard to believe, why would a police officer, who is supposed to uphold the law, beat a suspect? How surprising!

Probably not, since we know that many people who become cops have a chip on their shoulder or an attitude problem/authority complex. They're not as interested in upholding the law as they are in dispensing their own justice on people they don't like.

Now, after I asserted that, someone could easily pipe up and say: Here in Atlanta we have several precincts full of cops who help the community and the people in it, all while upholding the law and following behaviors expected of officers, and we don't have any loose cannons or bad eggs on the force.

To which I would say: what's your point? The better organizations keep those types out.

So did Stella Arelisha get her groove back? I wonder if she found out, like the author of How Stella Got Her Groove Back, that her new husband was just a homosexual prostitute. The last I heard after she brought him back from whatever island he had been hustling on, got him citizenship, he started "hooking" again and when she divorced him he sued for alimony.

I'm also wondering does that make her a hate criminal if the guy were gay.

Tofu: borg7of9: Guys: At what age do you think that an attractive woman goes from being a MILF to a Cougar?

Apples and oranges.

"milf" is about what she has (children). "cougar" is about what she does (pick up younger guys). A woman can be one or both or none of those things.

I personally don't think the term cougar applies until you try to pick up someone 20 years or so younger than you are. So that puts the starting age for being a cougar (in my book) around 40. You can be a milf at 19 or 49 - it's totally unrelated.

Or 32 if she teaches junior high in Florida.

Christian Bale: Cubicle Convict: Christian Bale: really not terribly surprising. A lot of women involved in anti-domestic violence groups are unfortunately those who have extreme anger against men, and rather than solve the problem of domestic abuse they just want to turn the tables.

Whether this woman started a charity to act as a guise for "turning the tables" in a vengeful way is unknown. What can be reasonably assumed is that she is definitely not a very rational or grounded person given the level of violence and theater in which it erupted.

There are fantastic organizations in Atlanta that merely want to help women and children live violence free. That's it. No secret hatred cult atmosphere of flannel shirt wearing women hell bent on castrating the men of Atlanta.

They teach women who have been controlled and abused the basic life skills needed to be self sufficient, to start over. Successful organizations such as Partnership Against Domestic Violence are built on compassion, not anger.

/broad brush and all
//male volunteer for 3+ years with man bits still intact


What's your point? The better organizations keep those types out.

Let's take the following situation: Cop beats suspect.

Would you say: wow, that's hard to believe, why would a police officer, who is supposed to uphold the law, beat a suspect? How surprising!

Probably not, since we know that many people who become cops have a chip on their shoulder or an attitude problem/authority complex. They're not as interested in upholding the law as they are in dispensing their own justice on people they don't like.

Now, after I asserted that, someone could easily pipe up and say: Here in Atlanta we have several precincts full of cops who help the community and the people in it, all while upholding the law and following behaviors expected of officers, and we don't have any loose cannons or bad eggs on the force.

To which I would say: what's your point? The better organizations keep those types out.

I'm not saying there aren't organizations out there with a roster packed full of angry people. My post was entirely anecdotal and not to be taken as data, same as yours. I was just offering a different viewpoint, adding some personal experience to the discussion and nothing more.

Your example explains another situation and how anecdotal information could be added to the discussion. In such a discussion I might add that perhaps not all officers start out with a chip on their shoulder. That some may just get jaded over the years dealing with bad situations and that constant exposure could result in their bent morals and perceptions. Doesn't excuse the beating nor is it a defense of said beating. It's nothing more than an addition to the conversation. Take it as you want.

this thread needs more cougars.

borg7of9: I'm sure there is still more violence against women than men

Actually, studies show that women already commit more domestic violence in relationships than men do. Women do more hitting and initiate violence more often. It's just that a) society overlooks it. There's a great video demonstrating this where Dateline had a couple of actors pretend to have an argument in a park. When the man so much as shoved the female, people called the cops and came running to her defense. When they reversed it, they went for hours with the woman hitting, punching, slapping the man and people walked by and cheered for her.

Men are sensitized from birth that hitting a woman is wrong. And it is, of course, but no more wrong than any other kind of violence. Women receive no such training. In fact, exactly the opposite. Women are taught that whatever they feel is reality and that it's acceptable to act on their feelings - someone will make excuses for them in hindsight. A great example of this is the narrative given on TV shows explaining infidelity. If a man cheats on you, it's because he's an insensitive jerk - a bad person. If a woman cheats, it's because the guy deserved it - and you deserve better than him. Or alternately, the narrative to describe relationship dynamics in general. "How many times did I tell him to put the toilet seat down?" "I just can't train him!" A woman dictating rules to a man is perfectly acceptable. No negotiation is required. It's her way or the highway. But if you reverse that, the man is described as "emotionally abusive" or controlling or whatever.

This is what society teaches us is normal and the result is that women are more violent, but we don't notice it.

Here's the video that I was referring to

And b) men are stronger. So, if the above scenario from the Dateline show had been real, the woman would have hit the man many times, but when he hits back just once, it will knock the woman down, the man (but not the woman) will go to jail, and you'll have a "violence against women" statistic that will just reinforce your existing (but false) belief.

And here's a list of references that show that women are more violent

borg7of9: Guys: At what age do you think that an attractive woman goes from being a MILF to a Cougar?

depends on the guys ages. I'd say between 40-45 is cougar territory

Tofu: borg7of9: I'm sure there is still more violence against women than men

Actually, studies show that women already commit more domestic violence in relationships than men do. Women do more hitting and initiate violence more often. It's just that a) society overlooks it. There's a great video demonstrating this where Dateline had a couple of actors pretend to have an argument in a park. When the man so much as shoved the female, people called the cops and came running to her defense. When they reversed it, they went for hours with the woman hitting, punching, slapping the man and people walked by and cheered for her.

Men are sensitized from birth that hitting a woman is wrong. And it is, of course, but no more wrong than any other kind of violence. Women receive no such training. In fact, exactly the opposite. Women are taught that whatever they feel is reality and that it's acceptable to act on their feelings - someone will make excuses for them in hindsight. A great example of this is the narrative given on TV shows explaining infidelity. If a man cheats on you, it's because he's an insensitive jerk - a bad person. If a woman cheats, it's because the guy deserved it - and you deserve better than him. Or alternately, the narrative to describe relationship dynamics in general. "How many times did I tell him to put the toilet seat down?" "I just can't train him!" A woman dictating rules to a man is perfectly acceptable. No negotiation is required. It's her way or the highway. But if you reverse that, the man is described as "emotionally abusive" or controlling or whatever.

This is what society teaches us is normal and the result is that women are more violent, but we don't notice it.

Here's the video that I was referring to

And b) men are stronger. So, if the above scenario from the Dateline show had been real, the woman would have hit the man many times, but when he hits back just once, it will knock the woman down, the man (but not the woman) will go to jail, and you'll have a "violence against women" statistic that will just reinforce your existing (but false) belief.

And here's a list of references that show that women are more violent

Which is why you never hit a woman. Unless she has a weapon or is hard core martial artist she is NOT threat. The MO is Walk away call the cops press charges for assault and battery. The Law is two edged weapon and cuts both ways.

If the cop fails to do anything about it, write his badge number down and give him the name of your attorney. Many cops and many bouncers realize women instigate as much as men do.

Her name is Arelisha?

///Sounds like a real dillpickle to me

Why Women's Shelters Are Hotbeds of Misandry, by Gerhard Amendt, 10 August 2009.

According to Gerhard Amendt, Professor of Gender and Generation Research at the University of Bremen, representatives of the supposedly weaker sex are every bit as violent as their partners. The researcher concludes that women's shelters foster a devaluation of masculinity and should therefore be replaced by familiy counseling centers. (new window)

/Just sayin'...

I suppose that there is a lot more violence against men than is reported or talked about. There are plenty of laws regarding violence against women so I guess the domestic violence laws should focus more on the actual violence rather than whether it's a man hitting a woman or a woman hitting a man.

borg7of9: I suppose that there is a lot more violence against men than is reported or talked about. There are plenty of laws regarding violence against women so I guess the domestic violence laws should focus more on the actual violence rather than whether it's a man hitting a woman or a woman hitting a man.

Men don't tend to call the cops when the woman hits/pushes/abuses them. Women, OTOH, are taught to call and get it on record.

Men have to realize that if a woman is instigating the violent episodes, that it's important to get law enforcement involved and get it on legal record that she's violent.

In any violent relationship, whoever gets branded as violent first is forever after going to be at a legal disadvantage.

DVOM: borg7of9: I suppose that there is a lot more violence against men than is reported or talked about. There are plenty of laws regarding violence against women so I guess the domestic violence laws should focus more on the actual violence rather than whether it's a man hitting a woman or a woman hitting a man.

Men don't tend to call the cops when the woman hits/pushes/abuses them. Women, OTOH, are taught to call and get it on record.

Men have to realize that if a woman is instigating the violent episodes, that it's important to get law enforcement involved and get it on legal record that she's violent.

In any violent relationship, whoever gets branded as violent first is forever after going to be at a legal disadvantage.

I may be wrong but (possibly until only very recently) most police departments had it in their actual proceedure manuals that - in ANY domestic violence situation - no matter who made the call, who was injured, who started the fight, etc, etc, etc, that they were supposed to ARREST THE MAN.

Oh_Enough_Already:
I may be wrong but (possibly until only very recently) most police departments had it in their actual proceedure manuals that - in ANY domestic violence situation - no matter who made the call, who was injured, who started the fight, etc, etc, etc, that they were supposed to ARREST THE MAN.

I think you may be right, however it's changing. At least where I live, if the man enough brains to call, the cops will put the woman in jail.

"Which is why you never hit a woman. Unless she has a weapon or is hard core martial artist she is NOT a threat"

I would say she is likely not a physical threat.
I would point out that physiological abuse can be very damaging and is a threat.

Battery:
the crime or tort of intentionally or recklessly causing offensive physical contact or bodily harm (as by striking or by administering a poison or drug) that is not consented to by the victim

If you touch you partner in a way they find offensive
and you admit to having touched them, you maybe arrested for battery.

In which case I wish you the best of luck.
You may find our justice system does not work the way we idealize it, nor does it bear much resemblance to TV

Really wish men would start treating women like they treat them.

If it isn't acceptable for you (man) to do it, it isn't for a woman. If women want to be treated better by men they need to start showing the same conciderations and realize they are not just the victim.

"Men have to realize that if a woman is instigating the violent episodes, that it's important to get law enforcement involved and get it on legal record that she's violent.

In any violent relationship, whoever gets branded as violent first is forever after going to be at a legal disadvantage."

This is excellent advice.
Hard to do when you love her.

insert sarah palin pic here?