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2010-03-03 11:56:27 AM  
Give it up. If it weren't for the two that followed him, Reagan would be known as the worst Republican president in history.
 
2010-03-03 11:59:28 AM  
So the GOP finally admits they support tripling the deficit, raising taxes and ignoring social issues.

Good to see...
 
2010-03-03 11:59:43 AM  
Okay, I dont' want to see Reagan on any money, but Grant did not "win" the Civil War. He just happened to be presiding over the Union Army when Lee decided enough blood had been shed for the "cause" and decided if the Union were going to be all butt-hurt and whiny about it he would just as soon stop fighting.
 
2010-03-03 12:01:26 PM  
"I wish you libs would get over George W. Bush already"
"I wish you conservatives would get over Reagan already"

Seriously, it's getting really sad.
 
2010-03-03 12:02:52 PM  
Yes, Grant "won" the Civil War (his actual contributions are still the subject of debate) as a general and military leader, not as President. In fact, his presidency was marred by scandals and is considered by some historians to be one of the worst in history. Not that I care that he's on the fifty-dollar bill or want to put Reagan on them. ATMs only dole out twenties, so it's not like many people use them anyway.
 
2010-03-03 12:02:56 PM  
I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.
 
2010-03-03 12:03:55 PM  
FTFA: "Every generation needs its own heroes," McHenry said in a written statement. "One decade into the 21st century, it's time to honor the last great president of the 20th and give President Reagan a place beside Presidents Roosevelt and Kennedy."

S'funny... now they want Reagan to have a place beside Roosevelt. Am I the only one who remembers the Reagan Dime push? They used to think Roosevelt wasn't worthy of the honor of being on currency.
 
2010-03-03 12:03:59 PM  
Reagan chewed a hole through the Berlin Wall.
 
2010-03-03 12:04:55 PM  
Wendy's Chili: Reagan chewed a hole through the Berlin Wall.

Alzheimer's will bring on stuff like that.
 
2010-03-03 12:06:53 PM  
Wendy's Chili: Reagan chewed a hole through the Berlin Wall.

Well, he was a bad actor in addition to being a bad president. He just thought it was the scenery.
 
2010-03-03 12:07:15 PM  
Reagan single-handily kicked all the hippies out of California. If it wasn't for him San Francisco would be a haven for bean sprout eating, Prius driving, democrats.
 
2010-03-03 12:07:22 PM  
jwa007: Okay, I dont' want to see Reagan on any money, but Grant did not "win" the Civil War. He just happened to be presiding over the Union Army when Lee decided enough blood had been shed for the "cause" and decided if the Union were going to be all butt-hurt and whiny about it he would just as soon stop fighting.

You didn't win, we just decided to stop losing.
 
2010-03-03 12:11:48 PM  
sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.
 
2010-03-03 12:12:51 PM  
As I said before, put Reagan on all promissory notes.
 
2010-03-03 12:14:18 PM  
The South was never going to win unless they got the backing of foreign power. The North just had to keep throwing men and resources at them until they lost.

I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

I don't think I've had a $50 in my hands for 10 years or so. It's either $20s or $100s.
 
2010-03-03 12:15:55 PM  
Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

Yes, a man who directed his soldiers to rape women in South Carolina in retribution for starting secession is a hero, indeed.
 
2010-03-03 12:15:59 PM  
Nabb1: Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.

Your freed slaves did a lot for the area, I'll admit.
 
2010-03-03 12:16:12 PM  
kronicfeld: As I said before, put Reagan on all promissory notes.

THIS. Great idea.
 
2010-03-03 12:16:51 PM  
Nabb1: Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

Yes, a man who directed his soldiers to rape women in South Carolina in retribution for starting secession is a hero, indeed.


something something inbreeding joke something something did you a favor...
 
2010-03-03 12:17:18 PM  
Nabb1: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.


A lot fatter as well with all that good food.
 
2010-03-03 12:17:59 PM  
Nabb1: Yes, a man who directed his soldiers to rape women in South Carolina in retribution for starting secession is a hero, indeed.

To John Yoo, perhaps.
 
2010-03-03 12:20:14 PM  
lol. and "conservatives" accuse liberals of venerating obama.
 
2010-03-03 12:23:40 PM  
Uh, Lincoln was president during the Civil War, dumbassmitter.
joke
 
2010-03-03 12:24:57 PM  
I laugh every time they try to name something else after Reagan. It is like a man with with a small penis buying larger and larger trucks so he can assuage his feelings of inadequacy.

Plain and simple Ronald Reagan was a traitor to his country. A treasonous bastard who conspired with our enemies, sold them weapons illegally and used the profits to fund men who raped nuns.

Name all the shiat you want after him but he is still roasting in the 9th circle of hell and eventually history will portray him as the villain he truly was.
 
2010-03-03 12:25:26 PM  
ne2d: Uh, Lincoln was president during the Civil War, dumbassmitter.

Abraham Lincoln? The Vampire Hunter? Really?
 
2010-03-03 12:25:44 PM  
Reagan wasn't too bad. He was really douchey, but his dottering old man charm made up for it. It was impossible to be mad at the guy. It would be like being mad at grandpa for getting confused that david letterman wasn't merv griffin. I'm just glad his handlers kept him from outlawing pancakes, or making lawrence welk a cabinet member.
 
2010-03-03 12:25:45 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Nabb1: Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.

Your freed slaves did a lot for the area, I'll admit.


I almost put "football superiority" in there as well, but that would sort of dredge up some unfortunate memories of Jimmy the Greek if I were to add it now.
 
2010-03-03 12:26:15 PM  
Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

There was no reason to burn everything from the Chattahoochee river to the Atlantic Ocean.

I am not sure if the idea of "total war" is something to remember fondly.
 
2010-03-03 12:27:12 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Nabb1: Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.

Your freed slaves did a lot for the area, I'll admit.


Nice.
 
2010-03-03 12:47:40 PM  
Nabb1: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.


It wasn't rock and roll until Chess records called it that.
 
2010-03-03 12:50:21 PM  
bulldg4life: Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

There was no reason to burn everything from the Chattahoochee river to the Atlantic Ocean.

I am not sure if the idea of "total war" is something to remember fondly.


divisionstreet.files.wordpress.com

Mess with the bull, you get the horns.
 
2010-03-03 01:01:49 PM  
Grant might have won the Civil War but that was nothing compared to that time Reagan ripped off his shirt, flexed and the USSR exploded out of sheer amazement.
 
2010-03-03 01:05:18 PM  
just say "no"
 
2010-03-03 01:08:16 PM  
sweetmelissa31

I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

I'm not the father.
 
2010-03-03 01:08:31 PM  
lilbjorn: Give it up. If it weren't for the two that followed him, Reagan would be known as the worst Republican president in history.

Hoover was better?

ne2d: Uh, Lincoln was president during the Civil War, dumbassmitter.
joke


Thank God for preview, or I'd have fallen for this.
 
2010-03-03 01:25:18 PM  
i265.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-03 01:27:22 PM  
A college friend of mine -- who's basically an ok guy except for his creepy Reagan fetish -- would absolutely say this doesn't go far enough. He's like Christian Slater in True Romance except he'd say "if I had to fark a guy, I'd fark Reagan."

For him, his dream is to spend his Reagans to own the nicest house on Reagan Way in the Reagan Acres section of Reaganburg, just off Reagan Highway in the heart of Reagan County, with a short commute to his job at www.reagan.ron where he works long days so his children Ronald, Wilson and Reagan can go to Reagan University.

Strangely enough, he is a lifelong registered Democrat. He just thinks that Reagan's sweat cured lupus and his urine was actually made of real gold.
 
2010-03-03 01:32:42 PM  
If they do this, I'm going to poke holes in fifties to impress Jodie Foster.
 
2010-03-03 01:35:43 PM  
Yeah, great at screwing Main Street for the benefit of Wall Street. Nice try, Mr. Historical Revisionist.
 
2010-03-03 01:40:06 PM  
Reagan Dime, anyone?
 
2010-03-03 01:41:04 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Your freed slaves did a lot for the area, I'll admit.

You do realize the North had slaves too?
 
2010-03-03 01:41:13 PM  
And the Mississippi river will now be known as the Mississippi Reagan.
 
2010-03-03 01:42:40 PM  
downstairs: You do realize the North had slaves too?

And it took an amendment to the constitution to end slavery in the Northern states. Lincoln's proclamation only affected the states that had seceded from the union.
 
2010-03-03 01:42:42 PM  
Burn_The_Plows: If they do this, I'm going to poke holes in fifties to impress Jodie Foster.

Nice.
 
2010-03-03 01:45:11 PM  
jwa007: downstairs: You do realize the North had slaves too?

And it took an amendment to the constitution to end slavery in the Northern states. Lincoln's proclamation only affected the states that had seceded from the union.


LOLWUT?
 
2010-03-03 01:47:51 PM  
downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?


Not at the time of the Civil War.
 
2010-03-03 01:48:58 PM  
I don't think Civil War heroes from EITHER side should be lauded in this manner. Lincoln gets credit for maintaining the Union, but on the front lines, a lot of what both sides did was absolutely despicable. The entire conflict was regrettable.

Giving Grant war hero status for that? Might as well put Lt. William Calley on the 2-dollar bill, take it to Taco Bell, and slaughter your innocent intestines.
 
2010-03-03 01:50:26 PM  
i221.photobucket.com

Forget the money, put it in stone.
/"Mommy" would be proud
 
2010-03-03 01:53:16 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Not at the time of the Civil War.

Yes at the time of the Civil War. Maryland was a slave state and did not secede from the Union. They were exempt from the Emancipation Proclamation since they were not at war with the Union.
 
2010-03-03 01:53:22 PM  
I don't care, but I do want to point out Grant had a very corrupt administration.
 
2010-03-03 01:54:56 PM  
randomizetimer: I don't care, but I do want to point out Grant had a very corrupt administration.

He also did a ton of good. He was a very, very underrated president.
 
2010-03-03 01:58:15 PM  
DamnYankees: randomizetimer: I don't care, but I do want to point out Grant had a very corrupt administration.

He also did a ton of good. He was a very, very underrated president.


Reconstruction did more damage to the country than good, and he was responsible in large part for those policies (along with Andrew Johnson). Lincoln had, by most accounts, envisioned more of a reconciliation with the South rather than an occupation of it. He's rated right where he needs to be.
 
2010-03-03 02:01:40 PM  
Nabb1: Reconstruction did more damage to the country than good, and he was responsible in large part for those policies (along with Andrew Johnson). Lincoln had, by most accounts, envisioned more of a reconciliation with the South rather than an occupation of it. He's rated right where he needs to be.

Yeah, stupid Grant for fighting against the KKK and actually trying to stand up for the rights of black people in the South. What a loser.
 
2010-03-03 02:04:05 PM  
sweetmelissa31: downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?

Not at the time of the Civil War.


No, the Northern Industrialists just paid their employee a wage that they could not live on, so the immigrants made their young kids get jobs so the family could eat.
 
2010-03-03 02:04:41 PM  
The North and the South had their sins.
 
2010-03-03 02:06:12 PM  
veedeevadeevoodee

That food coupon is one of the funniest things I've seen out of your "collection." Bravo.
 
2010-03-03 02:11:18 PM  
FlashHarry: lol. and "conservatives" accuse liberals of venerating obama.

THIS

They babble on and on about "the one" and unicorns, and whatever other Jib-Jab images distort their political nonsense. But 30 years after he was elected, they still want nothing more than to suck Reagan's cock.
 
2010-03-03 02:13:33 PM  
DamnYankees: Nabb1: Reconstruction did more damage to the country than good, and he was responsible in large part for those policies (along with Andrew Johnson). Lincoln had, by most accounts, envisioned more of a reconciliation with the South rather than an occupation of it. He's rated right where he needs to be.

Yeah, stupid Grant for fighting against the KKK and actually trying to stand up for the rights of black people in the South. What a loser.


Wow. You really think I'm standing up for the KKK by that statement? Are you trying to be an idiot, or are you just ignorant of the history of Reconstruction in the South? Let's try this again - what Reconstruction brought, aside from actual military occupation of a number of Southern cities - were a lot of opportunistic Northerners who culled political appointments and abused their powers and engaged in all sorts of corruption. Or we can talk about the refusal of Congress to seat Senators and Representatives elected from Southern states in the years immediately following the war. But, yes, obviously I can see you I am a racist and am sticking up for the KKK by being critical of Reconstruction policies.
 
2010-03-03 02:16:05 PM  
Nabb1: Wow. You really think I'm standing up for the KKK by that statement?

No. Of course not. But I think you glossed over the very good things Grant did do by merely saying Lincoln would have done better (which I don't necessarily disagree with).

Nabb1: DamnYankees: Nabb1: Reconstruction did more damage to the country than good, and he was responsible in large part for those policies (along with Andrew Johnson). Lincoln had, by most accounts, envisioned more of a reconciliation with the South rather than an occupation of it. He's rated right where he needs to be.

Yeah, stupid Grant for fighting against the KKK and actually trying to stand up for the rights of black people in the South. What a loser.

Wow. You really think I'm standing up for the KKK by that statement? Are you trying to be an idiot, or are you just ignorant of the history of Reconstruction in the South? Let's try this again - what Reconstruction brought, aside from actual military occupation of a number of Southern cities - were a lot of opportunistic Northerners who culled political appointments and abused their powers and engaged in all sorts of corruption. Or we can talk about the refusal of Congress to seat Senators and Representatives elected from Southern states in the years immediately following the war. But, yes, obviously I can see you I am a racist and am sticking up for the KKK by being critical of Reconstruction policies.


I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Even if its all true, it has pretty much nothing to do with what I said.
 
2010-03-03 02:17:08 PM  
randomizetimer: I don't care, but I do want to point out Grant had a very corrupt administration.

I don't care, but I do want to point out that Reagan is roasting in the 9th circle of hell and that is one honor he earned.
 
2010-03-03 02:20:26 PM  
Given his economic record, Reagan barely qualifies to be put on promissory notes.
 
2010-03-03 02:21:30 PM  
DamnYankees: I'm not sure what this has to do with anything. Even if its all true, it has pretty much nothing to do with what I said.

Well, it seemed as though you were implying that Reconstruction was mainly about fighting the KKK in response to my criticism. There was more to it than that (and actually, the KKK was an unfortunate and still regrettable and unjustified reaction to Reconstruction policies and frustrations with carpetbaggers and scalawags, which, when coupled with lingering racial resentment already in place, resulted in the creation of a vigilante organization that still embarrasses nice white folks everywhere to this day).
 
2010-03-03 02:21:35 PM  
They should put Al Haig on it instead, just for lulz.
 
2010-03-03 02:24:26 PM  
Nabb1: Well, it seemed as though you were implying that Reconstruction was mainly about fighting the KKK in response to my criticism. There was more to it than that (and actually, the KKK was an unfortunate and still regrettable and unjustified reaction to Reconstruction policies and frustrations with carpetbaggers and scalawags, which, when coupled with lingering racial resentment already in place, resulted in the creation of a vigilante organization that still embarrasses nice white folks everywhere to this day).

Of course there was more to it. But I think Grant has been railroaded in history, with people using his drunkenness and corruption (both obviously huge problems) as an excuse to merely overlook all the good stuff he did. Grant pushed and signed the most important civil rights bill in history in his term, but no one remembers it because the Supreme Court struck it down.

Grant-as-President did great things for black people in the South, and the white people hated him. Well, who has history been more influenced by? I think Grant did some excellent things and deserves to be much more highly regarded, warts and all.

If we're gonna kick someone off a bill, get Jackson off our money and put TR on there.
 
2010-03-03 02:24:36 PM  
TwoHead: randomizetimer: I don't care, but I do want to point out Grant had a very corrupt administration.

I don't care, but I do want to point out that Reagan is roasting in the 9th circle of hell and that is one honor he earned.


OK, I take that back. I forgot the 9th circle is icy rather than hot. I realize this disproves all my theories regarding Reagan and probably nullifies all climate change science to date.

mea culpa
 
2010-03-03 02:26:28 PM  
Nabb1: Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.

Well fine. New Orleans can stay American. But God help you if Metairie or Kenner somehow try to sneak back in.
 
2010-03-03 02:26:50 PM  
jwa007: downstairs: You do realize the North had slaves too?

And it took an amendment to the constitution to end slavery in the Northern states. Lincoln's proclamation only affected the states that had seceded from the union.


More specifically, AREAS NOT UNDER UNION CONTROL. So even slaves in TN, for example, were still slaves.
 
2010-03-03 02:27:45 PM  
sweetmelissa31: downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?

Not at the time of the Civil War.


The Union had slaves at the time of the Civil War.
 
2010-03-03 02:29:12 PM  
vygramul: sweetmelissa31: downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?

Not at the time of the Civil War.

The Union had slaves at the time of the Civil War.


This talking point is so ridiculous.

Only one state in the Union had slaves, which was Maryland, a state which was culturally southern and was expected by many (if not most) to secede. The core of the North had all abolished slavery by 1804.
 
2010-03-03 02:31:31 PM  
vygramul: The Union had slaves at the time of the Civil War.

Okay, so apparently Maryland had slaves at the time of the Civil War, and I was wrong about that. My original point was that the culture of freed slaves influences the South, so it's not really relevant.
 
2010-03-03 02:33:07 PM  
DamnYankees: If we're gonna kick someone off a bill, get Jackson off our money and put TR on there.

Hey, now. Don't mess with Old Hickory. Dude had a three-thousand pound block of cheddar cheese in the foyer of the White House.

Aarontology: Nabb1: Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.

Well fine. New Orleans can stay American. But God help you if Metairie or Kenner somehow try to sneak back in.


I'm cool with that (though delta blues came from Mississippi and rock 'n' roll from Memphis).
 
2010-03-03 02:35:37 PM  
DamnYankees: This talking point is so ridiculous.

Why ridiculous? It's a fact. When the Civil War started slavery was still legal and happening in Maryland which was part of the Union. The Emancipation Proclamation did nothing for slaves in Maryland, it was intended as part of ongoing war action and only applicable in states that had seceded, and, as vygramul pointed out, those areas in those states under Union Army control.

If it were not true, if slavery were not practiced in Maryland during the years of the civil war it might be ridiculous to point out it was still legal there. Lincoln, with a proclamation, did not free those slaves. The thirteenth amendment did that.

So, why ridiculous? You just like forgetting the bits of history you don't like? What's up?
 
2010-03-03 02:35:49 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

maybe replace alfred e neuman on the $1,329,063 bill, but even that is pushing it
 
2010-03-03 02:38:30 PM  
Jesus Christ people, is this the Balkans now or something? The Civil War ended almost 150 years ago. And yet there are people who still get their farking feelings hurt over it.

Reagan, on the other hand. That's recent. And that man has no place on anyone's money, with the possible exception of the Iranians.
 
2010-03-03 02:39:48 PM  
Dead for Tax Reasons: maybe replace alfred e neuman on the $1,329,063 bill, but even that is pushing it

Oh man, I thought that WAS Reagan on there. But now I look closer it is Alfred E. is it not. Damn. I need to see my optometrist...soon.
 
2010-03-03 02:43:40 PM  
Nabb1: I'm cool with that (though delta blues came from Mississippi and rock 'n' roll from Memphis).

I suppose Memphis can stay on a provisional basis. As long as the BBQ keeps cooking, that is.
 
2010-03-03 02:44:42 PM  
DamnYankees:

sweetmelissa31:


You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

Of course, people also can't argue the South wasn't fighting to keep slaves because the declarations of secession for most of the Southern states were dominated by rhetoric defending the institution.

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction that doesn't so much condemn the South as it does attempt to create a mythology of distance between the Union and Southern positions on the subject. In the 1850s, the vast majority of people in the North were merely attempting to prevent slavery's expansion westwards - not eliminate it from the South. Lincoln did not declare in 1860 he was heading down to free the slaves, but to bring states back into line. It's quite ironic to have the two sides adopt each others' position on the reason for the war. Yankees went from saying it was about illegal secession to slavery, and Southerners went from saying it was about slavery to states' rights.
 
2010-03-03 02:46:04 PM  
vygramul: You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

Who in this thread said that the Civil War was only about freeing slaves?
 
2010-03-03 02:47:55 PM  
I know a lady who actually refers to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression." I jokingly referred to it once as "The War of Southern Treason." I thought she was going to attack me.
 
2010-03-03 02:51:22 PM  
vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction



You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.
 
2010-03-03 02:51:44 PM  
vygramul: DamnYankees:

sweetmelissa31:

You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

Of course, people also can't argue the South wasn't fighting to keep slaves because the declarations of secession for most of the Southern states were dominated by rhetoric defending the institution.

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction that doesn't so much condemn the South as it does attempt to create a mythology of distance between the Union and Southern positions on the subject. In the 1850s, the vast majority of people in the North were merely attempting to prevent slavery's expansion westwards - not eliminate it from the South. Lincoln did not declare in 1860 he was heading down to free the slaves, but to bring states back into line. It's quite ironic to have the two sides adopt each others' position on the reason for the war. Yankees went from saying it was about illegal secession to slavery, and Southerners went from saying it was about slavery to states' rights.


Here, here.

What amazes me is the idea of solidified North wanting to abolish slavery. Never happened. A lot of business owners were Unionists, they would do anything to keep the southern states in the union, including tolerating slavery. And also of note, a lot of those who wanted to abolish slavery held no love for the blacks they wanted to free. They saw them as savages and sub-humans, not on a par with the civilized white man. And this train of thought wasn't relegated to the lower classes. Men of science and learned college professors of that time held those views.
 
2010-03-03 02:53:13 PM  
kmmontandon: vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction


You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.


Um, he actually wrote that in the sentence immediately preceding the one you quoted. Well, not in those exact terms.
 
2010-03-03 02:54:49 PM  
kmmontandon: vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction


You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.


It depends on how the person uses that phrase. The war was indeed "fought over slavery" for the points you mentioned. There were other issues that were invovled, but those mostly stemmed from slavery in one way or another.

However, the war was not fought to end slavery. Lincoln himself said that if he could get a way to bring the Union back together even if it meant keeping slavery, he would do it.
 
2010-03-03 02:58:48 PM  
kmmontandon: vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction


You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.


You might want to, you know, read where I said exactly that.

In the same post.
 
2010-03-03 02:58:51 PM  
jwa007: Here, here.

What amazes me is the idea of solidified North wanting to abolish slavery.


Before congratulating yourselves, who in this thread argued that the only issue the Civil War was fought over was slavery? Who are you arguing with?
 
2010-03-03 02:59:51 PM  
Nabb1: kmmontandon: vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction


You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.

Um, he actually wrote that in the sentence immediately preceding the one you quoted. Well, not in those exact terms.



That's what I get for skimming through threads too quickly.
 
2010-03-03 03:01:38 PM  
kmmontandon: That's what I get for skimming through threads too quickly.

I'd be lying if I didn't say I've made some comments I'd like to take back as a result of doing the same thing myself. Many times.
 
2010-03-03 03:01:56 PM  
sweetmelissa31: vygramul: You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

Who in this thread said that the Civil War was only about freeing slaves?


I suppose no one used those terms, but once one makes a statement that leads to a moral judgment between the two sides, it perpetuates the myth of Union Righteousness.

I admit I am trundling down a tangent.
 
2010-03-03 03:02:38 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Before congratulating yourselves, who in this thread argued that the only issue the Civil War was fought over was slavery? Who are you arguing with?

Congratulating? Myself? I'm just typing this stuff to show off what I know, I'm not arguing with anyone. However, I will admit, I did know at least one Northern state had slavery during the Civil War, something you were previously unaware of. So at least this presentation of facts is of benefit to someone. You should congratulate yourself for learning new stuff today.
 
2010-03-03 03:04:23 PM  
kmmontandon: Nabb1: kmmontandon: vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction


You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.

Um, he actually wrote that in the sentence immediately preceding the one you quoted. Well, not in those exact terms.


That's what I get for skimming through threads too quickly.


Bah. I'm guilty of that as well, and given how many people just argue the states' rights angle without even acknowledging that the clear paramount concern of those seceding was slavery, you can't be completely blamed for missing it. I probably shouldn't have snarked at you for it.
 
2010-03-03 03:12:54 PM  
vygramul: Bah. I'm guilty of that as well, and given how many people just argue the states' rights angle without even acknowledging that the clear paramount concern of those seceding was slavery, you can't be completely blamed for missing it. I probably shouldn't have snarked at you for it.

You know who else was a proponent of "State's Rights" without clarity of paramount concern?
 
2010-03-03 03:17:11 PM  
I'd also like to say that only putting Presidents (with the exception of Benjamin "Pimp Hands" Franklin) on money is kind of silly.
 
2010-03-03 03:17:44 PM  
I Said: "I wish you libs would get over George W. Bush already"
"I wish you conservatives would get over Reagan already"

Seriously, it's getting really sad.


Reagan once bit my sister. I've tried to get the Catholic church to canonize her.
 
2010-03-03 03:18:07 PM  
Reagan shouldn't even be on a stamp. He sucked.
 
2010-03-03 03:21:44 PM  
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Reagan shouldn't even be on a stamp. He sucked.

Yet other people love the idea as it gives them a chance to lick Reagan.
 
2010-03-03 03:22:49 PM  
Aarontology: I'd also like to say that only putting Presidents (with the exception of Benjamin "Pimp Hands" Franklin) on money is kind of silly.

I think we need to expand it to pop icon figures. Can you imagine paying for a McDonald's Cheeseburger with a Ronald McDonald ($1) and a Paula Abdul ($5)?
 
2010-03-03 03:23:16 PM  
Nabb1: DamnYankees: If we're gonna kick someone off a bill, get Jackson off our money and put TR on there.

Hey, now. Don't mess with Old Hickory. Dude had a three-thousand pound block of cheddar cheese in the foyer of the White House.


Jackson, opposed to a US central bank, was reelected in 1833 and he pulled the government's funds out of the 2nd Bank of the United State. The Bank President, responded by contracting the money supply to pressure Jackson to renew the bank's charter forcing the country into a recession, which the bank blamed on Jackson's policies. The bank's charter was not renewed in 1836.

Jackson farking hated the bank, bankers, banking, and moneymen. There's no reason why his picture should be on the $20.

Plus he is generally regarded as an asshole.
 
2010-03-03 03:24:03 PM  
Aarontology: I'd also like to say that only putting Presidents (with the exception of Benjamin "Pimp Hands" Franklin) on money is kind of silly.

There are two things wrong with your statement.
 
2010-03-03 03:25:39 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Nabb1: DamnYankees: If we're gonna kick someone off a bill, get Jackson off our money and put TR on there.

Hey, now. Don't mess with Old Hickory. Dude had a three-thousand pound block of cheddar cheese in the foyer of the White House.

Jackson, opposed to a US central bank, was reelected in 1833 and he pulled the government's funds out of the 2nd Bank of the United State. The Bank President, responded by contracting the money supply to pressure Jackson to renew the bank's charter forcing the country into a recession, which the bank blamed on Jackson's policies. The bank's charter was not renewed in 1836.

Jackson farking hated the bank, bankers, banking, and moneymen. There's no reason why his picture should be on the $20.

Plus he is generally regarded as an asshole.


Sure, but you are overlooking the big block of cheese. Behold, the power of cheese.
 
2010-03-03 03:26:12 PM  
I_Am_Weasel: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Reagan shouldn't even be on a stamp. He sucked.

Yet other people love the idea as it gives them a chance to lick Reagan.


Ewww. I don't even want to lick Rosa Parks. That's why I get the self-adhesives. Let Elvis lick himself.
 
2010-03-03 03:27:29 PM  
I_C_Weener: I think we need to expand it to pop icon figures. Can you imagine paying for a McDonald's Cheeseburger with a Ronald McDonald ($1) and a Paula Abdul ($5)?

I'd like to buy a jar of peanut butter with a George Washington Carver $10.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: There are two things wrong with your statement.

There are?
 
2010-03-03 03:38:42 PM  
i159.photobucket.com

All hail THE ONE
 
2010-03-03 03:42:15 PM  
Aarontology: I_C_Weener: I think we need to expand it to pop icon figures. Can you imagine paying for a McDonald's Cheeseburger with a Ronald McDonald ($1) and a Paula Abdul ($5)?

I'd like to buy a jar of peanut butter with a George Washington Carver $10.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: There are two things wrong with your statement.

There are?


Sacajawea, for one.
 
2010-03-03 03:48:55 PM  
vygramul: Sacajawea, for one.

Oh yeah. I completley forgot about her.
 
2010-03-03 03:48:56 PM  
Cagey B: Jesus Christ people, is this the Balkans now or something? The Civil War ended almost 150 years ago. And yet there are people who still get their farking feelings hurt over it.

Reagan, on the other hand. That's recent. And that man has no place on anyone's money, with the possible exception of the Iranians.


The reason some people get upset over it is that some of us are still dealing with the cultural aftershocks that it caused. Granted, most of those could be more properly tied to slavery, but the two are still linked in much of the population's mind.

/Not trying to be snarky. Please read in an even handed tone.
 
2010-03-03 03:58:52 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: I know a lady who actually refers to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression." I jokingly referred to it once as "The War of Southern Treason." I thought she was going to attack me.

I worked at a university in the library rare documents archive. One of my jobs was creating a web accessible catalog of our holdings. The catalog entries used the terms that the documents themselves used. We logged the terms our patrons used to search. Because of some that, I wound up creating aliases so "War of Northern Aggression" would search for "Civil War." I also aliased "African American" so it would search for several terms that are now considered politically incorrect.
 
2010-03-03 03:58:55 PM  
Aarontology: I'd like to buy a jar of peanut butter with a George Washington Carver $10.

THAT would be awesome. Seriously.

There are?

Ben Franklin is on the $100, never was president. Also Salmon P. Chase was on the $10,000 bill.
 
2010-03-03 04:03:58 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Ben Franklin is on the $100, never was president. Also Salmon P. Chase was on the $10,000 bill.

hamilton is on the $10
 
2010-03-03 04:07:49 PM  
thomps: hamilton is on the $10

Yep there's him too
 
2010-03-03 04:09:57 PM  
I'd rather have Reagan on the $50 than Grant.

Not saying much, really.
 
2010-03-03 04:11:35 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Ben Franklin is on the $100, never was president.

Ding!

thomps: hamilton is on the $10

Ding!

On to the lightning round.
 
2010-03-03 04:12:08 PM  
They should pass legislation to put Reagan's face on the penny. Then they should immediately pass even more legislation that stops the manufacturing of pennies altogether.

Win, win.
 
2010-03-03 04:12:20 PM  
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: On to the lightning round.

Andrew Jackson is on the $20 but he was never President because he didn't produce a proper Birth Certifict.
 
2010-03-03 04:14:24 PM  
when you throw $100s at the club you make it rain, when you throw new $50s at the club you just make it trickle down
 
2010-03-03 04:15:53 PM  
WhyteRaven74: THAT would be awesome. Seriously.

I really think Carver is one of the must underrated Americans ever.

Ben Franklin is on the $100, never was president. Also Salmon P. Chase was on the $10,000 bill

Well yeah, that's why I said except him. You're also right about Chase. I suppose I should have said "commonly used money."

thomps: hamilton is on the $10

Dammit...

Fine. I change my statement to "Founding Fathers on commonly used money"
 
2010-03-03 04:19:43 PM  
Aarontology: I suppose I should have said "commonly used money."

Fair enough, also the $10,000 is no longer in circulation at all. Though it was at one point.
 
2010-03-03 04:20:01 PM  
117 comments before it goes green?

Going places, this thread is.
 
2010-03-03 04:20:34 PM  
First Liter in! HaHa!!!!

Grant may have been a great general but he was a shiat el presidente. Reagan took down the Commies.
 
2010-03-03 04:20:45 PM  
*chanting and bowing*

Reeeeaaaaa-gaaaaaan.....
Reeeeaaaaa-gaaaaaan.....
 
2010-03-03 04:20:56 PM  
Ronald Reagan? The actor?
 
2010-03-03 04:21:16 PM  
Let's put Wilson on it. He deserves some currency.
 
2010-03-03 04:22:20 PM  
img444.imageshack.us
 
2010-03-03 04:22:39 PM  
I'll get on board with this under the condition that Bonzo appears on the bill with him.
 
2010-03-03 04:22:49 PM  
Nabb1: Yes, Grant "won" the Civil War (his actual contributions are still the subject of debate) as a general and military leader, not as President. In fact, his presidency was marred by scandals and is considered by some historians to be one of the worst in history. Not that I care that he's on the fifty-dollar bill or want to put Reagan on them. ATMs only dole out twenties, so it's not like many people use them anyway.

Grant did have one minor accomplishment: he pushed the surveying and exploration that ended up mapping the route for the Panama Canal. Of course it took an autocratic frenchman to actually start it, and a real great Republican president (Teddy Roosevelt) to get it done, but credit where credit's due.
 
2010-03-03 04:23:19 PM  
hmmmm, this doesn't seem to mirror the idea of small gubment
 
Bf+
2010-03-03 04:23:24 PM  
I'd be OK with it as long as it was Zombie Reagan.
 
2010-03-03 04:23:58 PM  
Grant: Beat a bunch of states after Sherman did the 19th-Century equivalent of nuking Georgia and the Carolinas. Got drunk and gave out tons of jobs to his friends while President.

Reagan: Brought down the Evil Empire, the largest country in the world at that time.

No contest. Lincoln on the $50.
 
2010-03-03 04:24:15 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: I'll get on board with this under the condition that Bonzo appears on the bill with him.

His wife has a name, you know.
 
2010-03-03 04:24:34 PM  
You know what'd be badass?

i53.photobucket.com

Yeah, I went there. Suck it, Repub-tards.
 
2010-03-03 04:24:48 PM  
You know, I'd support this if they were replacing Jackson on the $20 bill with Reagan. Though I'd really be happy with almost anyone other than Jackson. People who commit genocide shouldn't get to have their portraits on our bills.
 
2010-03-03 04:25:40 PM  
Knucklepopper: You know what'd be badass?



Yeah, I went there. Suck it, Repub-tards.


Well, with the Obama 'flation, that and and a million dollar bill will get you breakfast.
 
2010-03-03 04:26:03 PM  
Stick him on the $1.

Then, since they are old, outdated, and really just taking up space from more useful forms of currency. Retire it so that it can live quietly in someone's collection and collect dust.
 
2010-03-03 04:26:46 PM  
www.underconsideration.com
 
2010-03-03 04:26:48 PM  
subby:

"...all Grant did was WIN THE FARKING CIVIL WAR"

All Reagan did was WIN THE FARKING COLD WAR.
 
2010-03-03 04:26:49 PM  
optional: You know, I'd support this if they were replacing Jackson on the $20 bill with Reagan. Though I'd really be happy with almost anyone other than Jackson. People who commit genocide shouldn't get to have their portraits on our bills.

Hey, everyone was committing genocide back then. It was the cool thing to do.
 
2010-03-03 04:27:03 PM  
randomizetimer: I don't care, but I do want to point out Grant had a very corrupt administration.

then again, so did Franklin.
 
2010-03-03 04:27:08 PM  
/hotter than Hormel Chavez
 
2010-03-03 04:27:26 PM  
GOP lawmaker wants Reagan to replace Grant on the US $50 bill, because Reagan is the greatest president ever and all Grant did was WIN THE FARKING CIVIL WAR

Just explain to liberals that Ulysses S. Grant was also the eighth president of the National Rifle Association. That'll make them want to change it.
 
2010-03-03 04:27:41 PM  
As I posted in the other redlit thread...

I know of a better fitting currency note where to put his image
z.about.com.

/Old Ollie would be so proud.
 
2010-03-03 04:27:44 PM  
Nabb1: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.


You do realize that everyone claims that the chicks from where they live are hotter than the chicks in other places and that the food that they eat is better than other food, right? It kind of makes the rest of your accurate statement sound provincial.

/except for hoosiers
 
2010-03-03 04:27:46 PM  
screw you, TeddyRooseveltsMustache!!
 
2010-03-03 04:28:15 PM  
I say we put Reagan's face on a $1000 bill. That way, all the fat cats who benefitted from his economic policies will be able to see him anytime they want, and the rest of us'll never have to.
 
2010-03-03 04:28:44 PM  
Oh, it's a representative from one of the traitorous states proposing that we forget Grant.

Fark him: put Sherman on the $20.
 
2010-03-03 04:28:47 PM  
DamnYankees: vygramul: sweetmelissa31: downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?

Not at the time of the Civil War.

The Union had slaves at the time of the Civil War.

This talking point is so ridiculous.

Only one state in the Union had slaves, which was Maryland, a state which was culturally southern and was expected by many (if not most) to secede. The core of the North had all abolished slavery by 1804.


Actually, the western states also had slaves. Lincoln undid the act that would have freed them. He was afraid it would cause them to join the south.
 
2010-03-03 04:29:03 PM  
Knucklepopper: First Liter in! HaHa!!!!

Grant may have been a great general but he was a shiat el presidente. Reagan took down the Commies.


Bullshiat. The commies took down themselves. It'd be just as correct to say that Margaret Thatcher took down the commies, or Pete Rose...They were all alive at the time, so it must have been them.

'Course it's no worse than Bush taking credit for Clinton's economic success...
 
2010-03-03 04:29:33 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: Ronald Reagan? The actor?

This is heavy.
 
2010-03-03 04:30:05 PM  
Omnivorous: Oh, it's a representative from one of the traitorous states proposing that we forget Grant.

Fark him: put Sherman on the $20.


but then where's rupaul gonna go?
 
2010-03-03 04:30:46 PM  
hockeyfarker: YouWinAgainGravity: Ronald Reagan? The actor?

This is heavy.


Is there a problem with gravity in the future?
 
2010-03-03 04:30:54 PM  
These southern apologists who try claiming the war wasn't about slavery are just saying that because it makes their ancestors look real bad. the civil war was about slavery. the end
 
2010-03-03 04:31:09 PM  
Grant was a doddering drunk buffoon who was at best oblivious to and at worst complicit with members of his cabinet robbing the farking treasury. He DOES NOT deserve to be on currency.

Let's make a deal, GOP: You get Reagen on the 50 instead of Grant; we get Kennedy on the 20 instead of that racist, touch-and-go, bullet-headed murderer, Andrew Jackson.
 
2010-03-03 04:31:59 PM  
sweetmelissa31: vygramul: You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

Who in this thread said that the Civil War was only about freeing slaves?


At the root it was:

1) The southern states seceded because they feared Lincoln would free the slaves. (He probably would have, but only after a period of years and with compensation to the "owners")

2) The North went to war because the South seceded (and seized Federal property).

/ Yes, Sherman burned out a lot of property on his way to the coast. "War is hell". It also would have taken a lot more burning to equal the barbarity that was Andersonville prison.

// Yes, Maryland, a "northern" state had slaves. It's also the state that Lincoln had to sneak through, in disguise, in the dark of night on the way to his inauguration so as to avoid riots. I don't believe that Maryland had northern ideals in her heart.

/// Long slashie is long.
 
2010-03-03 04:32:25 PM  
I_C_Weener: hockeyfarker: YouWinAgainGravity: Ronald Reagan? The actor?

This is heavy.

Is there a problem with gravity in the future?


I'm sure that in 1985 plutonium is available in every corner drug store, but in 1955 it's a little hard to come by.
 
2010-03-03 04:33:31 PM  
WOW! There is just no butt-hurt like FARK(tm) Reagan butt-hurt!

/popcorn
//chew chew Sherman on the $50 chew
 
2010-03-03 04:33:58 PM  
ne2d:

I see what you did there....
 
2010-03-03 04:34:19 PM  
Tommy Moo: Grant was a doddering drunk buffoon who was at best oblivious to and at worst complicit with members of his cabinet robbing the farking treasury. He DOES NOT deserve to be on currency.

Let's make a deal, GOP: You get Reagen on the 50 instead of Grant; we get Kennedy on the 20 instead of that racist, touch-and-go, bullet-headed murderer, Andrew Jackson.


No, I have to agree with Omnivorous on this one.

They want Reagan? We get Sherman.
 
2010-03-03 04:34:38 PM  
NobleHam: Let's put Wilson on it. He deserves some currency.

Woodrow Wilson was on the $100,000 bill, which was only used for bank and government transactions.
 
2010-03-03 04:35:02 PM  
More grandstanding, because it ain't going to happen. You have to be dead for 25 years to be on US coins or currency, and that can only be overturned by an Act of Congress. The only times that's happened is when a president died in office, and it's highly unlikely Congress is going to break precedent for Reagan.

In other words--try again in 2030.
 
2010-03-03 04:35:27 PM  
Mr. Grant, tear down this wall . . .
 
2010-03-03 04:35:30 PM  
ultraholland: screw you, TeddyRooseveltsMustache!!

You've gotta be quicker on the draw.
 
2010-03-03 04:35:45 PM  
jwa007: Okay, I dont' want to see Reagan on any money, but Grant did not "win" the Civil War. He just happened to be presiding over the Union Army when Lee decided enough blood had been shed for the "cause" and decided if the Union were going to be all butt-hurt and whiny about it he would just as soon stop fighting.

Nice revisionist attempt there, but even Lee would've disagreed with you. He admitted that he'd been beaten, and that Grant gave him more generous terms than expected, and even threatened to resign when someone in his school faculty started dissing Grant.
Seriously, Grant was Lee's worst nightmare- someone he couldn't fake out and couldn't scare. And contrary to a lot of the mythology, Lee lost an even bigger proportion of his men trying to stop Grant than Grant did pinning down Lee. Once Lee was penned up in Richmond/Petersburg, Grant just had to sit back and wait for Sheridan and Sherman to gradually cut up the sources of supplies and munitions, and wait for the next good campaigning season.
Read Shelby Foote on the Civil War sometime. The man is from Mississippi, so it's not like he's some Northern historian with an axe to grind.
 
2010-03-03 04:35:53 PM  
Big Al: These southern apologists who try claiming the war wasn't about slavery are just saying that because it makes their ancestors look real bad. the civil war was about slavery. the end

Wow! I had relatives fight on both sides of the civil war. Try watching the History Channel. It turns out a lot of the stuff we were taught in grade school was not EXACTLY accurate.
 
2010-03-03 04:35:54 PM  
www.old-picture.com

Guys like these won the war.
 
2010-03-03 04:36:06 PM  
You stupid liberals, read your history. The North did not win the Civil War.1 The South was tired of winning and didn't want the North to feel bad about itself.2 The only battle the Confederates lost during the entire Civil War was the Battle of Who Can Raise More Taxes, which the liberal North won emphatically.3 And you'll probably say this story is a bunch of hogwash. But so was Northern superiority. Barack betta' recognize: We bad.

1 Anders, David. "Liberals And Raising Taxes, The Genetic Correllation". December 12, 1999
2 Mom, Your. "The Things I Did". March 2, 2010
3 O'Reilly, Bill. "The O'Reilly Factor", broadcast Februrary 7, 2007
 
2010-03-03 04:36:52 PM  
The funny thing is that the author of this bill, Patrick McHenry, is widely believed to be gay.
 
2010-03-03 04:37:08 PM  
And Reagan won the Cold War withouth firing a single shot.

Not bad.
 
2010-03-03 04:37:11 PM  
Sure its been said before but, Grant only looked like a pretty good general because the half dozen before him were so inept. He didn't win the civil war as much as not lose it, which was all that was necessary of course. The weight of men and material won the war.
 
2010-03-03 04:37:25 PM  
Mike_LowELL: You stupid liberals, read your history. The North did not win the Civil War.1 The South was tired of winning and didn't want the North to feel bad about itself.2 The only battle the Confederates lost during the entire Civil War was the Battle of Who Can Raise More Taxes, which the liberal North won emphatically.3 And you'll probably say this story is a bunch of hogwash. But so was Northern superiority. Barack betta' recognize: We bad.

1 Anders, David. "Liberals And Raising Taxes, The Genetic Correllation". December 12, 1999
2 Mom, Your. "The Things I Did". March 2, 2010
3 O'Reilly, Bill. "The O'Reilly Factor", broadcast Februrary 7, 2007


This. Is. Awesome.
 
2010-03-03 04:37:57 PM  
Reagan was a great president. Unless of course if you were poor, gay, black, latino or young.
 
2010-03-03 04:37:59 PM  
mediablitz: So the GOP finally admits they support tripling the deficit, raising taxes and ignoring social issues.

Good to see...


Kinda sums it up.
 
2010-03-03 04:38:46 PM  
Flying Lasagna Monster: The funny thing is that the author of this bill, Patrick McHenry, is widely believed to be gay.

So?

Plenty of gay Conservatives out there.
Sure, people like you think they should shut up and get back on the plantation, but there are a few that don't follow their supposed masters (people like you).
 
2010-03-03 04:39:10 PM  
For those calling the seceding states "traitorous", I might refer you to the Declaration of Independence, which states, rather early on, "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

It would seem that if the government draws power from the consent of the governed, that the withdrawal of that consent (as the colonists exercised towards the government of George III) would remove the authority of the government. I realize that the military outcome has rendered the point moot, but the states' rights argument for secession was probably, technically at least, quite correct.

/northerner by birth and location
//not a Yankee....hate Yankees.
 
2010-03-03 04:39:23 PM  
Nabb1: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.


OK chubby chaser

www.faithandhealthconnection.org
 
2010-03-03 04:39:30 PM  
shanester: And Reagan won the Cold War withouth firing a single shot.

of course not. Reagan wasn't really about firing shots. that's why when a couple hundred Marines got killed in Lebanon, he ordered them to cut and run
 
2010-03-03 04:39:39 PM  
Knucklepopper: This. Is. Awesome.

DAMNIT I MISSPELLED CORRELATION NOW IT'S ALL RUINEDDDDDDD *sobs*
 
2010-03-03 04:39:44 PM  
Can we put Clinton on the two dollar bill?

/please
 
2010-03-03 04:40:14 PM  
Firebug: Reagan was a great president. Unless of course if you were poor, gay, black, latino or young.

You're an idiot.
You do know that African-Americans during that decade had their greatest gains in % income and overall wealth since the '50s.

No?

Request a refund from your school. You obviously did not get a real education.
 
2010-03-03 04:40:52 PM  
USCLaw2010: Can we put Clinton on the two dollar bill?

/please


He should be on the one dollar bill, and tucked in a g-string.
 
2010-03-03 04:41:31 PM  
www.craphound.com


If we can do this with the $1 bill, I CAN"T WAIT until they issue the Reagan $50!
 
2010-03-03 04:41:33 PM  
IExpectAKill: Guys like these won the war.

Hazy and out of focus guys? I thought they still weren't allowed to vote. I say send them all back to Hazyfocustan.
 
2010-03-03 04:41:52 PM  
Um, how about they worry about something important... Is that too much to ask?
 
2010-03-03 04:41:53 PM  
Reagan was a prick, a liar and an idiot. It amazes me how many Americans have selective amnesia when it comes to Reagan, and what a divisive and dangerous man he was and how much damage he did to this country. Even on the most superficial level, the uber-partisanship and crude political discourse we now have to suffer through stems directly from Reagan's time in office. And the fact that he ratted out fellow Hollywood denizens during the Communist witch hunts on its own shows what an evil and patently un-American sort he was and should have excluded him from holding public office of ANY kind, much less President of the United States. But then again I know people who are so stupid they look back with nostalgia at the "W" administration, despite the fact that they have lost their jobs, homes and life savings. Stupid is as stupid does I guess...
 
2010-03-03 04:42:33 PM  
Flying Lasagna Monster: The funny thing is that the author of this bill, Patrick McHenry, is widely believed to be gay.

I thought that rumor was about Patrick Fitzhenry, and his 'roomate' Henry Fitzpatrick.
 
2010-03-03 04:42:41 PM  
The War of Northern Aggression, I believe.
 
2010-03-03 04:42:42 PM  
shanester: Firebug: Reagan was a great president. Unless of course if you were poor, gay, black, latino or young.

You're an idiot.
You do know that African-Americans during that decade had their greatest gains in % income and overall wealth since the '50s.

No?

Request a refund from your school. You obviously did not get a real education.


He said "black". "African-American" is different.

But at least Ronnie let atheists be Americans.
 
2010-03-03 04:42:47 PM  
shanester: And Reagan won the Cold War withouth firing a single shot.

Not bad.


Every president fought the cold war with actual war. Ever hear of a proxy war?
 
2010-03-03 04:42:57 PM  
TeddyRooseveltsMustache: penny

This. Lincoln's face is on the penny and the $5 -- we can spare one of those for Saint Ronny.
 
2010-03-03 04:43:31 PM  
TwoHead: Name all the shiat you want after him but he is still roasting in the 9th circle of hell and eventually history will portray him as the villain he truly was.

The 9th circle of Hell is cold, just FYI.
 
2010-03-03 04:43:41 PM  
Solution: Put Reagan on the $1000 bill. Then only Republicans will see it anyway.
 
2010-03-03 04:44:39 PM  
field marshal tania: Reagan was a prick, a liar and an idiot.

Yeah. an idiot.
Elected twice. Remember 1984? Won 49 states?
Won the Cold War with help from the Pope and Maggie. No shots fired. Biggest economic expansion in the history of the country.... etc...


yeah.... idiot.

We need more idiots! They seem to do a helluva lot better than the "smart" guys (Obama, Carter, etc...).
 
2010-03-03 04:44:41 PM  
spmkk: subby:

"...all Grant did was WIN THE FARKING CIVIL WAR"

All Reagan did was WIN THE FARKING COLD WAR.


Er... no. The US didn't win it. The Soviets lost it and Reagan had nothing much to do with it. It's not likely his administration hastened the demise of the USSR by one day.
 
2010-03-03 04:44:55 PM  
ne2d: Uh, Lincoln was president during the Civil War, dumbassmitter.
joke


What is this I don't even
 
2010-03-03 04:45:18 PM  
Reagan? The coward, the traitor? fark no.
 
2010-03-03 04:45:48 PM  
Cyclometh: Er... no. The US didn't win it. The Soviets lost it and Reagan had nothing much to do with it. It's not likely his administration hastened the demise of the USSR by one day.

LOL.
Yeah.
We had NOTHING to do with it. Nada.
LOL.

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe that. Hohum.
 
2010-03-03 04:45:50 PM  
It's just not fair. Grant was a brilliant general before HE became a really shiatty president.
 
2010-03-03 04:46:17 PM  
Ah, yes. The Gipper.

Because it doesn't matter if you're already in the early stages of Alzheimer's, with cognitive function degrading daily. All you need is:

- Note cards from staff telling you what to say in meetings
- Ability to memorize tough-talking speeches
- To explode military spending to scare a deteriorating enemy power
- To ignore ballooning deficits as long as it's for "National Security"

You'll be a hero forever! They'll even politely not mention that you actually quietly raised taxes after cutting them!
 
2010-03-03 04:47:02 PM  
I have to drive to and from work each day on the Reagan Tollway. That's quite enough, thanks.
 
2010-03-03 04:47:19 PM  
A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:
www.brunswick.k12.me.us
Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)
 
2010-03-03 04:47:23 PM  
Dil Doe: Solution: Put Reagan on the $1000 bill. Then only Republicans will see it anyway.

Sorry... the richest areas of the country are Dem controlled.

God, do any liberals know anything that's true?
 
2010-03-03 04:47:30 PM  
How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?
 
2010-03-03 04:47:34 PM  
That being said, Grant was a horrible President.
 
2010-03-03 04:47:43 PM  
DamnYankees: jwa007: downstairs: You do realize the North had slaves too?

And it took an amendment to the constitution to end slavery in the Northern states. Lincoln's proclamation only affected the states that had seceded from the union.

LOLWUT?


Yes, that is correct.

That on the first day of January, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, all persons held as slaves within any State or designated part of a State, the people whereof shall then be in rebellion against the United States, shall be then, thenceforward, and forever free

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/featured_documents/emancipation_proclamation/t r anscript.html

There were slave states on the Union side, you see.
 
2010-03-03 04:48:25 PM  
I am not sure Reagan would even get into the GOP nowadays.

Signed in illegal alien amnesty
Tripling the debt
The largest increase in the size of Government seen
Sells weapons to enemies of the nation
Hollywood actor
Signed in the most extensive gun control laws in decades and lobbied for the Brady act

He seems like he is almost the antithesis of all the GOP stands for apart from say the AIDs issue being the gay's punishment crap of the 80s.
 
2010-03-03 04:49:33 PM  
i49.tinypic.com
 
2010-03-03 04:49:41 PM  
Grant has done as much for blacks as anyone in American history. THE MAN ENDED FARKING SLAVERY. Reagan took food out of the mouths of little children, and he got what he deserved when he spent the end of his life out of his mind.
 
2010-03-03 04:49:46 PM  
shanester: Elected twice. Remember 1984? Won 49 states?

Mondale was perhaps not the best choice of opponents.

Won the Cold War with help from the Pope and Maggie.

The Pope helped certain aspects, but the cold war was going to end with or without Reagan and Thatcher.

Biggest economic expansion in the history of the country

A couple other periods in American history might want a word about that.
 
2010-03-03 04:50:25 PM  
shanester: Cyclometh: Er... no. The US didn't win it. The Soviets lost it and Reagan had nothing much to do with it. It's not likely his administration hastened the demise of the USSR by one day.

LOL.
Yeah.
We had NOTHING to do with it. Nada.
LOL.

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe that. Hohum.


Some days I find iit amazing that people believe the truth myself.
 
2010-03-03 04:51:11 PM  
Harmania: Ah, yes. The Gipper.

Because it doesn't matter if you're already in the early stages of Alzheimer's, with cognitive function degrading daily. All you need is:

- Note cards from staff telling you what to say in meetings
(As opposed to a TelePrompTer?)

- Ability to memorize tough-talking speeches
(Hmmm... again, if he had Alz, how did he MEMORIZE speeches. Our current Pres can't say hello without reading it.)

- To explode military spending to scare a deteriorating enemy power
(It was BECAUSE of the military spending that the enemy deteriorated. He BANKRUPTED THEM. DUH. That was the WHOLE IDEA PEOPLE!!!!)

- To ignore ballooning deficits as long as it's for "National Security"
(It worked. Then again, his larges deficit was what? $200-$300 Billion to cause the fall of the USSR. Today? $1.9 TRILLION? That's ok, though, right?)

 
2010-03-03 04:51:25 PM  
yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?
 
2010-03-03 04:52:00 PM  
Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)


There ya go! Put him on the $50!
 
2010-03-03 04:52:17 PM  
vygramul: The Union had slaves at the time of the Civil War.

I'm willing to bet every state in the U.S. has slaves in some form today. Not legally, of course. Lincoln couldn't exactly afford to have DC surrounded by confederate states, now could he. So Maryland basically got to do whatever they wanted in order to stay in the Union. Other than that, it was illegal everywhere. Just as it is today. Doesn't mean it's not still happening, of course.
 
2010-03-03 04:52:23 PM  
shanester: We had NOTHING to do with it. Nada.

So what did Reagan have to do with it?

Mr_Fabulous: the Reagan Tollway.

I've always felt that name is a bit ironic.
 
2010-03-03 04:52:56 PM  
keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?


They were already being punished, they lived in the south.
 
2010-03-03 04:53:07 PM  
but...

What about all of the sick people Reagan healed?
What of those he raised from the dead?
Did he not turn water into wine and feed the masses with a single loaf of bread?
 
2010-03-03 04:53:09 PM  
I_C_Weener: USCLaw2010: Can we put Clinton on the two dollar bill?

/please

He should be on the one dollar bill, and tucked in a g-string.


I was just going to post this.

/you quick bastard.
 
2010-03-03 04:53:30 PM  
Pump_ThePurpleWarrior: There ya go! Put him on the $50!

Exactly! I think we can all get behind this guy!
 
2010-03-03 04:53:40 PM  
11of12: TwoHead: Name all the shiat you want after him but he is still roasting in the 9th circle of hell and eventually history will portray him as the villain he truly was.

The 9th circle of Hell is cold, just FYI.


Apparently my immediate mea culpa was not enough to satisfy you. I understand and offer the following in hopes it will suffice.

I'm sorry (new window)
 
2010-03-03 04:53:40 PM  
Cyclometh: Some days I find iit amazing that people believe the truth myself.

And 9/11 was an inside job too, right?
The aliens are among us and control our thoughts, right?

LOL.

Yeah.
 
2010-03-03 04:54:24 PM  
keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?


You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.
 
2010-03-03 04:55:17 PM  
okay, I'm a relatively die-hard liberal, so I realize my initial views and reactions might be biased. But I'm willing to put those views aside for a moment, because I am honestly curious as to why certain republicans worship Reagan so. He really has attained a strange cult-like status. Why? Seriously. I'm not looking for a debate. You love him? Fine. To each his own. I just really want to know the specific reasons. I can't see them on my own.
 
2010-03-03 04:55:20 PM  
keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?


You mean other than the people who were killed because of it?
 
2010-03-03 04:55:25 PM  
ISpeakBlob: What about all of the sick people Reagan healed?
What of those he raised from the dead?
Did he not turn water into wine and feed the masses with a single loaf of bread?


Confusing him with Obama.
Obama was going to "heal" the planet.
Prevent the dead with socialistic healthcare.
Cause the "rising oceans to recede".

LOL.

Loved that speech.
 
2010-03-03 04:56:15 PM  
yakmans_dad: You mean other than the people who were killed because of it?

Please..... simple minds need simple answers. Have pity on him.
 
2010-03-03 04:57:19 PM  
Mishno: sweetmelissa31: vygramul: You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

Who in this thread said that the Civil War was only about freeing slaves?

At the root it was:

1) The southern states seceded because they feared Lincoln would free the slaves. (He probably would have, but only after a period of years and with compensation to the "owners")

2) The North went to war because the South seceded (and seized Federal property).

/ Yes, Sherman burned out a lot of property on his way to the coast. "War is hell". It also would have taken a lot more burning to equal the barbarity that was Andersonville prison.

// Yes, Maryland, a "northern" state had slaves. It's also the state that Lincoln had to sneak through, in disguise, in the dark of night on the way to his inauguration so as to avoid riots. I don't believe that Maryland had northern ideals in her heart.

/// Long slashie is long.


Are you telling me that nations fight wars for different reasons than what they publicly announce?
 
2010-03-03 04:57:29 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: I know a lady who actually refers to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression." I jokingly referred to it once as "The War of Southern Treason." I thought she was going to attack me.

When I lived in Richmond (Ohio transplant), I always called it the Late Unpleasantness.
 
2010-03-03 04:57:38 PM  
Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)


Wow, very cool. I wasn't familiar with his story:

Chamberlain at Appomattox (new window)
 
2010-03-03 04:58:06 PM  
Rapmaster2000: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.


If a husband and a wife have an altercation with each other, that isn't an affair it is just a fight. If a husband or wife cheats on their spouse with another person, that is an affair. Much in the same way that a civil dispute is not treason even if it comes to blows.
 
2010-03-03 04:58:15 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: A college friend of mine -- who's basically an ok guy except for his creepy Reagan fetish -- would absolutely say this doesn't go far enough. He's like Christian Slater in True Romance except he'd say "if I had to fark a guy, I'd fark Reagan."

For him, his dream is to spend his Reagans to own the nicest house on Reagan Way in the Reagan Acres section of Reaganburg, just off Reagan Highway in the heart of Reagan County, with a short commute to his job at www.reagan.ron where he works long days so his children Ronald, Wilson and Reagan can go to Reagan University.

Strangely enough, he is a lifelong registered Democrat. He just thinks that Reagan's sweat cured lupus and his urine was actually made of real gold.


So what you're saying is that I still have Lupus?

\fark.
 
2010-03-03 04:58:27 PM  
Knucklepopper: You know what'd be badass?



Yeah, I went there. Suck it, Repub-tards.


img130.imageshack.us
Typical Liberal...small peanuts.
 
2010-03-03 04:59:05 PM  
Because you have nothing better to do right now?

Thanks a lot, Republicans.
 
2010-03-03 04:59:10 PM  
www.taipeitimes.com

Best photo of Reagan.
 
2010-03-03 05:00:22 PM  
nekom: And the Mississippi river will now be known as the Mississippi Reagan.

And all Millard Fillmore Elementary Schools will be now known as Ronald Reagan Elementary School!
 
2010-03-03 05:00:25 PM  
Any modern politician on currency is a fail. Reagan on currency is irony of the largest sort. Fail.
 
2010-03-03 05:00:27 PM  
shanester: (As opposed to a TelePrompTer?)

Even Bush didn't use note cards during meetings. During addresses he used a teleprompter, but big deal, been standard practice as long as they've been around.

. He BANKRUPTED THEM.

They were going to go bankrupt no matter what. Keep in mind in the 80s they were already having to make up for our stuff from the 70s. The F-14, F-15, F-16, F-18 and A-10, alone were enough to make the Soviets spend way more than they could afford. They were already being sunk with what they were spending on submarine development and missile development, and other things. Throwing five new operational aircraft into the mix, two of them carrier based, was just pushing them even farther. They were going to being crying uncle sooner or later.
 
2010-03-03 05:00:36 PM  
TwoHead 2010-03-03 12:24:57 PM
I laugh every time they try to name something else after Reagan. It is like a man with with a small penis buying larger and larger trucks so he can assuage his feelings of inadequacy.

Plain and simple Ronald Reagan was a traitor to his country. A treasonous bastard who conspired with our enemies, sold them weapons illegally and used the profits to fund men who raped nuns.

Name all the shiat you want after him but he is still roasting in the 9th circle of hell and eventually history will portray him as the villain he truly was.


This.
 
2010-03-03 05:00:39 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: If a husband and a wife have an altercation with each other, that isn't an affair it is just a fight. If a husband or wife cheats on their spouse with another person, that is an affair. Much in the same way that a civil dispute is not treason even if it comes to blows.

Where does illegally selling arms to our enemies to illegally fund nun rapers fit into this spectrum?
 
2010-03-03 05:01:04 PM  
Conservatives still lining up to eat Reagan's poo, I see.
 
2010-03-03 05:01:08 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: Rapmaster2000: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.

If a husband and a wife have an altercation with each other, that isn't an affair it is just a fight. If a husband or wife cheats on their spouse with another person, that is an affair. Much in the same way that a civil dispute is not treason even if it comes to blows.


While I already knew that, you're not addressing his or my statement.
 
2010-03-03 05:01:26 PM  
psst..Nabb1, jwa007 & vygramul...over here!

It's hard sometimes, to recognize the troll. I got reeled in earlier in that whole multi-tasking thread. But I'm pretty sure that Damn Yankee is doing it to you, right now.

And now, for something (slightly) on topic: Family has 2 chairs & a table from the one and only homestead Sherman didn't burn to the ground.
 
2010-03-03 05:01:29 PM  
lilbjorn: Give it up. If it weren't for the two that followed him, Reagan would be known as the worst Republican president in history.


You mean the one that preceded him .
 
2010-03-03 05:01:40 PM  
he was a great president.
 
2010-03-03 05:01:51 PM  
FWIW, the Civil War was fought for economic reasons. The economics of slavery.

At that time, the value of a healthy male slave was about the same as a luxury car would be today. If the government attempted to take away luxury automobiles today, I'm guessing there would be, at minimum, many minor skirmishes, if not outright rebellion, in our suburbs.
 
2010-03-03 05:02:24 PM  

As a bad poker player, I have the following announcement:

$50 Bills are bad luck


Don't you dare put my Ronnie on that Bill.

We should create a $2 Dollar bill and put him on that.

/Taco bell has great $2 meals going, that'd be awesome.
 
2010-03-03 05:02:31 PM  
Allornone: I just really want to know the specific reasons. I can't see them on my own.

It varies. For me (I hated him when he was in office, I was a dumb lib college student) it's this...

He told it like it was.
He called the USSR an evil empire. It was.

Dems, lefties and even his own advisers told him not to say things like that. We can talk to them, etc... do not 'provoke' them.

He called a spade a spade. The "tear down this wall" was not even in the real speech. They told him not to say it.

He KNEW "star wars" was not attainable in his lifetime. That did not matter. He knew if the USSR BELIEVED we could do it, they would have to try and beat us... he slowly... slowly.. bankrupted the USSR and proved that Communism was a bankrupt system that cannot last.

The lefties? Said Star Wars would not work. Said he was lying and wasting $. Etc... Thankfully, the USSR listened and believed Ronnie. They spent BILLIONS trying to keep up with something even Ronnie knew could not be attained. All to bankrupt them... and the lefties had no clue. They called him stupid, insane, etc... He knew what he was doing, and in the end proved them wrong, again.

People will tell you he had nothing to do with the fall of the USSR. sorry, I was there. The USSR might have collapsed eventually, but it was hastened. Imagine if Obama was Pres then, he'd want to talk, they'd talk and stall and the USSR would have been around for another 10 years.

We spent $$ to bankrupt the USSR. We got our money back with the "peace dividend". Kaching!
 
2010-03-03 05:02:35 PM  
goodwynn: Best photo of Reagan.

You know, Reagan got and took credit for a lot of things he had nothing to do with. He was a terrible president and a mediocre actor, and the country would be manyfold better off without having been under his leadership.

All that said, what you just posted/said is a douchebag move and doesn't do anythng but let people who like Reagan say things like "Stay classy".

Ah well.

/welcome to Fark, I know.
 
2010-03-03 05:03:03 PM  
yakmans_dad: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You mean other than the people who were killed because of it?


What are you babbling about, sorry?

Rapmaster2000: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.


Lincoln was dead before the war was over.
 
2010-03-03 05:03:24 PM  
"Hidee ho there neighbor!"
 
2010-03-03 05:03:26 PM  
halfof33: We should create a $2 Dollar bill and put him on that.

Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?
 
2010-03-03 05:03:37 PM  
RY28: You mean the one that preceded him .

If you ask historians, Carter is not even up for discussion among the worst Presidents. Some political hacks may say he is, but that doesn't change things.
 
2010-03-03 05:04:30 PM  
How about instead of changing our money, we pay masseuses to put on Reagan masks and offer handjobs to every Republican in the country?
 
2010-03-03 05:04:37 PM  
Rapmaster2000: You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.

Treason is a huge leap and even Lincoln didn't consider it such, but you're right, Lincoln was far more focused on reconciliation and reconstruction than Jackson was; which makes it ironic that someone who loved the South assassinated him. The south would have been far better off had Lincoln lived.

As for why put Reagan on currency? For the same reason Kennedy was placed there. He was a fantastic orator and inspirational leader to many in the country, even if you ignore the Cold War and his many battles and disagreements with The USSR. I mean what did JFK do besides stall the Civil Rights Movement for fear of losing votes, almost engage us in WWIII over Nukes in Cuba and get shot? (oh also the philandering).

Don't get me wrong, I don't begrudge Kennedy his place and spot in history, just showcasing why all the Reagan haters just need to STFU.
 
2010-03-03 05:04:37 PM  
keypusher: yakmans_dad: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You mean other than the people who were killed because of it?

What are you babbling about, sorry?

Rapmaster2000: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.

Lincoln was dead before the war was over.


Reading is FUNdammental!

And what else did you have?
 
2010-03-03 05:04:53 PM  
Cyclometh: You know, Reagan got and took credit for a lot of things he had nothing to do with.

LOL!

Keep telling yourself that.

One of his greatest quotes was:
"It's amazing what you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."

Keep rewriting history.

If you have to lie about it, you've already lost the argument.
 
2010-03-03 05:04:59 PM  
shanester: Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?

Hahaha! Right, asshat. A friend of mine got arrested at Taco bell for using one of those.

Fail.
 
2010-03-03 05:05:21 PM  
W.T. Sherman won the war.

He waged Total War.

Waging Total War will win wars. Decisively.

I guess we have forgotten that these days...well at least since 1945.

/Die In A Sherman-induced, railroad track bending Fire
 
2010-03-03 05:06:08 PM  
keypusher:

Lincoln was dead before the war was over.


obvious comment is obvious...
 
2010-03-03 05:06:14 PM  
A few weeks ago, after half a case of Stella each, I convinced a friend of mine to agree to go see as many Civil War battlefields and especially re-enactments over the next five years. For those so inclined to follow suit, here are the dates of the major battles, so that you too can plan your sesquicentennial tour:

{source: The History Place: The U.S. Civil War 1861-1865

April 12, 1861: Confederate victory at Fort Sumter

July 21, 1861: Confederate victory at Bull Run (Manassas)

March 8/9, 1862: The ironclads Merrimac and Monitor battle to a draw.

April 6/7, 1862 - Shiloh. 26,000 casualties counting both sides.

May 31, 1862 - The Battle of Seven Pines. McClellan nearly defeated near Richmond.

June 25-July 1 - The Seven Days Battles. Robert E. Lee now in charge of the Army of Northern Virginia battles McClellan with heavy losses on both sides.

Aug 29/30, 1862 - Second battle of Bull Run (Manassas) 75,000 Union troops defeated by 55,000 Confederates.

Sept 17, 1862 - "The bloodiest day in U.S. military history" as the Confederates are stopped at Antietam.

Dec 13, 1862 - Union defeated at Fredericksburg.

May 1-4, 1863 - Chancellorsville. Lee defeats a much larger Union force, but Stonewall Jackson is mortally wounded.

July 1-3, 1863 - Gettysburg. Union defeats the Confederate forces, turning the tide of the war.

Sept 19/20, 1863 - Chicamauga. Union Army of the Cumberland defeated and trapped in Chattanooga.

Nov 19, 1863 - Lincoln delivers the gettysburg address.

Nov 23-25, 1863 Grant breaks the siege of Chattanooga

June 3, 1864 - Cold Harbor. 7,000 Union casualties in twenty minutes.

Sept 2, 1864 - Sherman captures Atlanta.

April 2, 1865 - Grant's forces break through Lee's lines at Petersburg.

April 3, 1865 - The Stars and Stripes are raised in Richmond

April 9, 1865 - Lee surrenders his army to Grant at Appomattox Court House.

April 14, 1865 - The Stars and Stripes is ceremoniously raised over Fort Sumter. That night, Lincoln and his wife Mary see the play "Our American Cousin" at Ford's Theater. At 10:13 p.m., during the third act of the play, John Wilkes Booth shoots the president in the head. Doctors attend to the president in the theater then move him to a house across the street. He never regains consciousness.
 
2010-03-03 05:06:25 PM  
halfof33: shanester: Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?

Hahaha! Right, asshat. A friend of mine got arrested at Taco bell for using one of those.

Fail.


Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

You really did not know that there ARE $2 bills?
Really? How old are you? 10?

Got arrested? LOL. You don't have to lie.

GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"
 
2010-03-03 05:06:30 PM  
shanester: He knew if the USSR BELIEVED we could do it

Any physicist can tell you it won't work. And the Soviets had plenty of those people around.

We got our money back with the "peace dividend"

Too bad about what the cold war did to our foreign policy, hollow peace dividend to the people of Chile and others.
 
rdr
2010-03-03 05:06:46 PM  
Doctor Funkenstein: I know a lady who actually refers to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression." I jokingly referred to it once as "The War of Southern Treason." I thought she was going to attack me.

That almost cost me a keyboard...me likey. I've been in ATL for a couple of years now. Handful of neighbors have their knickers in a knot. There's a grand old oak in the front yard; diameter alone implies it was a wee thing when the March To The Sea occurred. So, naturally, I've named it 'William Tecumseh'.
 
2010-03-03 05:07:01 PM  
Rapmaster2000: keypusher: yakmans_dad: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You mean other than the people who were killed because of it?

What are you babbling about, sorry?

Rapmaster2000: keypusher: yakmans_dad: How come so many people who support treason (The Civil War) think of themselves as patriots?

If it was treason, why wasn't anyone prosecuted for it?

You and I both know that while "treason" is a reach, there was a strong desire for reconciliation and reconstruction. Even if Lincoln thought it was treason (and had still been alive) he wasn't going to have Lee hung.

Lincoln was dead before the war was over.

Reading is FUNdammental!

And what else did you have?


Oops! I apologize. But the point stands. Lincoln was dead. Nevertheless, no one in the South was prosecuted for treason. No one. Probably because thinking secession was permissible was a quite reasonable belief before the war.
 
2010-03-03 05:07:16 PM  
halfof33: shanester: Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?

Hahaha! Right, asshat. A friend of mine got arrested at Taco bell for using one of those.

Fail.


Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

You really did not know that there ARE $2 bills?
Really? How old are you? 10?

Got arrested? LOL. You don't have to lie.

GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"

I own several. They're not printed anymore. But they're still legal tender. Dumbass.
 
2010-03-03 05:07:18 PM  
Cyclometh: Wow, very cool. I wasn't familiar with his story:

Chamberlain at Appomattox (new window)


Yeah, it honestly gets a little dusty for me when I read how he treated the surrendering soldiers. A man to admire if there ever was one.

Fictionalized history, but he's a prominent character in The Killer Angels by Michael Shaara--great book.
 
2010-03-03 05:07:52 PM  
WhyteRaven74: RY28: You mean the one that preceded him .

If you ask historians, Carter is not even up for discussion among the worst Presidents. Some political hacks may say he is, but that doesn't change things.


Sure he is!
 
2010-03-03 05:08:11 PM  
shanester: Cyclometh: You know, Reagan got and took credit for a lot of things he had nothing to do with.

LOL!

Keep telling yourself that.

One of his greatest quotes was:
"It's amazing what you can do if you don't care who gets the credit."

Keep rewriting history.

If you have to lie about it, you've already lost the argument.


You make the mistake of assuming I'm arguing anything. And if I were, it wouldn't be with you- you're either a troll -the "dumb lib college student" crack puts the probability about 80%- or just stupid.

In either case, there's no point in engaging you in any discourse. There are no arguments you will accept, no facts or evidence which will convince you, no suasion which can be levered against your statements which will change what you claim to believe.

However, simply saying "lol your a fool" doesn't really do anything to counter any points I've made.
 
2010-03-03 05:08:32 PM  

I'll just leave this here.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2010-03-03 05:08:39 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Any physicist can tell you it won't work. And the Soviets had plenty of those people around.

You do know we JUST SHOT DOWN A MISSLE WITH A FREAKING LASER last week, no?

Not possible? LOL. So was flying.

Google it, fool. We just destroyed a mid-range missle in a test with a laser LAST WEEK!

GOD! Do you Libs know anything?
 
2010-03-03 05:08:55 PM  
kronicfeld 2010-03-03 12:12:51 PM As I said before, put Reagan on all promissory notes.
===================================

Put Bush and Obama on them. (Though, Reagan too, to be sure.)
 
2010-03-03 05:09:07 PM  
shanester: halfof33: shanester: Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?

Hahaha! Right, asshat. A friend of mine got arrested at Taco bell for using one of those.

Fail.

Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

You really did not know that there ARE $2 bills?
Really? How old are you? 10?

Got arrested? LOL. You don't have to lie.

GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"

I own several. They're not printed anymore. But they're still legal tender. Dumbass.


STFU fark noob. You are looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.


/it's an inside joke around here
//google taco bell $2 bill
 
2010-03-03 05:09:16 PM  
Cyclometh.

"Plain and simple Ronald Reagan was a traitor to his country. A treasonous bastard who conspired with our enemies, sold them weapons illegally and used the profits to fund men who raped nuns."

Iran Contra.

I stand behind my previous statement.
 
2010-03-03 05:09:25 PM  
i would like to have a couple thousand of those 50$ bills.

thank you.
 
2010-03-03 05:09:38 PM  
Cyclometh: You make the mistake of assuming I'm arguing anything. And if I were, it wouldn't be with you- you're either a troll -the "dumb lib college student" crack puts the probability about 80%- or just stupid.

It's true, my first vote for President was Michael Dukakis.

AHHHHHHHHH!
 
2010-03-03 05:09:53 PM  
shanester: Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

No way, in fact he is a farker as I recall.

Ultrasuper fark Fail.
 
2010-03-03 05:10:12 PM  
shanester: Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

You really did not know that there ARE $2 bills?
Really? How old are you? 10?

Got arrested? LOL. You don't have to lie.

GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"

I own several. They're not printed anymore. But they're still legal tender. Dumbass.


You just fell for a fark cliche reference and the over-the-top ranting and name-calling makes you look really dumb and is highly amusing.
 
2010-03-03 05:10:27 PM  
halfof33: We should create a $2 Dollar bill and put him on that.

i93.photobucket.com

Zombie Jefferson is not amused.
 
2010-03-03 05:11:07 PM  
shanester: Cyclometh: You make the mistake of assuming I'm arguing anything. And if I were, it wouldn't be with you- you're either a troll -the "dumb lib college student" crack puts the probability about 80%- or just stupid.

It's true, my first vote for President was Michael Dukakis.

AHHHHHHHHH!


Bullshiat! No one voted for Dukakis.
 
2010-03-03 05:11:40 PM  
jst3p: STFU fark noob. You are looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.


/it's an inside joke around here
//google taco bell $2 bill


Dude... jst3p: STFU fark noob. You are looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.


/it's an inside joke around here
//google taco bell $2 bill


Sorry... I thought most people here were older than 12.
Guess not. Have fun in class tomorrow. Don't forget to bring the teacher an apple.

Really? LOL. Bunch of children around here!
 
2010-03-03 05:12:05 PM  
Someone made remarks about various Presidents being "philanderers". Saying someone can't be a great president because they like some nookie on the side (or from the rear, for that matter) is like saying someone can't be a great military leader because they really suck at pressing uniform shirts.
 
2010-03-03 05:12:14 PM  
Let's put the face of the man who destroyed what it means to be a conservative onto the $50 bill.
 
2010-03-03 05:12:16 PM  
goodwynn: Cyclometh.

"Plain and simple Ronald Reagan was a traitor to his country. A treasonous bastard who conspired with our enemies, sold them weapons illegally and used the profits to fund men who raped nuns."

Iran Contra.

I stand behind my previous statement.


I think you may have misquoted or misattributed something. I didn't say the treason comment above. I did say Reagan didn't really have much, if anything, to do with the Soviet Union losing the Cold war.
 
2010-03-03 05:12:26 PM  
Here's a supreme irony, one of the most awesomely bad ass things ever produced, the SR-71 Blackbird spy plane, was built out of Soviet titanium. A dummy company was set up to buy it without the Soviets figuring out what was up. The US lacked sufficient supplies of titanium for the purpose, but the Soviets had, the Russians still have, huge stockpiles of the stuff. So we bought some of there's, to build planes we could spy on them with.

It's also one of the great puzzles why the Soviets didn't just sell titanium to whoever wanted some. It would've provided them was assloads of cash to fund stuff. The Soviets went bankrupt sitting on billions of dollars worth of titanium and other materials. Course the Russians are still sitting on those stockpiles, for reasons unclear to anyone.
 
2010-03-03 05:12:37 PM  
shanester: Really? LOL. Bunch of children around here!

You type like an angry tween.
 
2010-03-03 05:13:38 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Too bad about what the cold war did to our foreign policy, hollow peace dividend to the people of Chile and others.

The theory of Containment wasn't Reagan's idea, blame our current foreign policy messes on Johnson.
 
2010-03-03 05:14:27 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: You just fell for a fark cliche reference and the over-the-top ranting and name-calling makes you look really dumb and is highly amusing.

I guess I do look really dumb to you guyz.

Then again, I don't live in my Mom's basement and have time to spend hours and hours of the day on Fark like you guys, so I don't know all of the cliche references. Do you guys win toys for knowing that? LOL. I am impressed with your HUGE Fark knowledge. It should help you get a job when Mom kicks you out!

Hehe
 
2010-03-03 05:14:45 PM  
rdr: Doctor Funkenstein: I know a lady who actually refers to the Civil War as "The War of Northern Aggression." I jokingly referred to it once as "The War of Southern Treason." I thought she was going to attack me.

That almost cost me a keyboard...me likey. I've been in ATL for a couple of years now. Handful of neighbors have their knickers in a knot. There's a grand old oak in the front yard; diameter alone implies it was a wee thing when the March To The Sea occurred. So, naturally, I've named it 'William Tecumseh'.


If you want to push it into the red, you can congratulate them on their 2nd place trophy.

media-cdn.tripadvisor.com

/is actually a really cool statue
 
2010-03-03 05:15:25 PM  
shanester: And Reagan won the Cold War withouth firing a single shot.

Not bad.


The peoples of Central America would like a word with you.
 
2010-03-03 05:15:45 PM  
YouWinAgainGravity: You type like an angry tween.

Nope. I was driving a car when tweens were born.
Lots of 'em here.
 
2010-03-03 05:15:56 PM  
Can anyone explain to me why so many conservatives (even conservatives born after Reagan was out of office) worship Reagan like a demigod?
 
2010-03-03 05:16:42 PM  
shanester: Allornone: I just really want to know the specific reasons. I can't see them on my own.

It varies. For me (I hated him when he was in office, I was a dumb lib college student) it's this...

He told it like it was.
He called the USSR an evil empire. It was.

Dems, lefties and even his own advisers told him not to say things like that. We can talk to them, etc... do not 'provoke' them.

He called a spade a spade. The "tear down this wall" was not even in the real speech. They told him not to say it.

He KNEW "star wars" was not attainable in his lifetime. That did not matter. He knew if the USSR BELIEVED we could do it, they would have to try and beat us... he slowly... slowly.. bankrupted the USSR and proved that Communism was a bankrupt system that cannot last.

The lefties? Said Star Wars would not work. Said he was lying and wasting $. Etc... Thankfully, the USSR listened and believed Ronnie. They spent BILLIONS trying to keep up with something even Ronnie knew could not be attained. All to bankrupt them... and the lefties had no clue. They called him stupid, insane, etc... He knew what he was doing, and in the end proved them wrong, again.

People will tell you he had nothing to do with the fall of the USSR. sorry, I was there. The USSR might have collapsed eventually, but it was hastened. Imagine if Obama was Pres then, he'd want to talk, they'd talk and stall and the USSR would have been around for another 10 years.

We spent $$ to bankrupt the USSR. We got our money back with the "peace dividend". Kaching!


Actually, if I recall correctly, it was that bleeding heart Richard Nixon who said that the Soviets lost the Cold War; the Americans didn't win it.
As for the "Tear Down This Wall" speech, that line was thrown in not to draw a line in the sand for Soviets, but to appease right-wing hard-line anti-Communists in America, who thought Reagan was going soft on communism by (wait for it) negotiating with Gorbachev. And yes, he said they were the "Evil Empire," but that didn't stop him from meeting with Gorbachev (or Chernenko or Gromyko or anyone else from the USSR).
And unfortunately, Dubya pissed away the peace dividend on tax cuts.
 
2010-03-03 05:16:56 PM  
i45.tinypic.com
 
2010-03-03 05:17:05 PM  
When the reagan coins come out, I'm going to buy several rolls of them and shove them up my ass.
 
2010-03-03 05:18:04 PM  
NotoriousW.O.P: Actually, if I recall correctly, it was that bleeding heart Richard Nixon who said that the Soviets lost the Cold War; the Americans didn't win it.

That's like saying the North did not win the Civil War. The South lost it.

What?
Read what you said. Sense is lacking!
 
2010-03-03 05:18:12 PM  
shanester: I guess I do look really dumb to you guyz.

Then again, I don't live in my Mom's basement and have time to spend hours and hours of the day on Fark like you guys, so I don't know all of the cliche references. Do you guys win toys for knowing that? LOL. I am impressed with your HUGE Fark knowledge. It should help you get a job when Mom kicks you out!


i371.photobucket.com


/Now really, as someone on the same side of this debate as you, stop digging the hole deeper please.
 
2010-03-03 05:18:27 PM  
randomizetimer: The North and the South had their sins.

So vote Republican.
 
2010-03-03 05:18:33 PM  
Give it up. If it weren't for the two that followed him, Reagan would be known as the worst Republican president in history.

Even Bush #1 called it "VooDoo Economics". Sadly he drank the kool-aid and signed on for the duration.
Another spine walking around with no human attached.
Sad really.
 
2010-03-03 05:18:36 PM  
I don't see how winning the civil war is a good thing, when there's no way to "lose" a civil war.. if the other guy wins, he won the won the civil war, horray! he goes in the $50 dollar bill. so it's not such a big accomplishment as a whole.
 
2010-03-03 05:18:59 PM  
shanester: You do know we JUST SHOT DOWN A MISSLE WITH A FREAKING LASER last week, no?

Shooting down a missile on a known trajectory with a laser isn't the same as trying to shoot down warheads, which are a lot smaller than missiles plus there's the matter than one missile can carry several warheads. There are other issues in play as well.
 
2010-03-03 05:19:00 PM  
shanester: jst3p: STFU fark noob. You are looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.


/it's an inside joke around here
//google taco bell $2 bill

Dude... jst3p: STFU fark noob. You are looking like a fool with your pants on the ground.


/it's an inside joke around here
//google taco bell $2 bill

Sorry... I thought most people here were older than 12.
Guess not. Have fun in class tomorrow. Don't forget to bring the teacher an apple.

Really? LOL. Bunch of children around here!

Little late to take the high road after typing this:




GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"

I own several. They're not printed anymore. But they're still legal tender. Dumbass.



I was trying to communicate on your level.

And you fail at hitting a single button to quote a post. That makes you even more fun to laugh at.
 
2010-03-03 05:19:20 PM  
ElwoodCuse: Your cartoon has a more things wrong than right.

1. Tripled the national debt? He did. The military buildup was needed after the post-Vietnam decline. Also, there were tax cuts without spending cuts. However, the charisma helps. W had none and did the same things. Point to the cartoon, though.

2. Supported apartheid? He supported the white government of South Africa not because they hated blacks but because it was better them than the communists in neighboring countries getting a hold of the natural resources there and passing them to our real enemy, the USSR. Sometimes you have to go with the lesser of two evils in forgien policy.

3. He backed Saddam? We all did because Iraq was not Iran. The hostage crisis was too fresh in our minds then.

4. Crushed worker's rights? He fired air traffic controllers who broke the law. The manufacturing base could not support the work force anyway as the country could not be in a post WWII boom forever. This was the era where lots of union excesses were curtailed like featherbedding. We should be thankful he didn't Kowtow like the political parties did to the unions in the UK.

5.Star Wars was expensive and didn't work? It was a great bluff though. It fooled the USSR. They knew we could do it if we put our mind to it and they never could.

6. Backed death squads? See the point about the lesser of two evils. It is easy in hindsight to realize that the USSR was not as bad as we thought, but we didn't know that then. Therefore, we backed some nasty characters so the USSR couldn't get a beachead in Central America.

7. Raping nuns? See point 6. I do doubt that he was personally in favor of nun rape, even off-the-record.

8. Confused old movies with forigen policy? I have not heard any examples of this.

9. Arms for hostages and dealing w/ drug runners? See point 6. The arms for hostages was an honest attempt to free captured Americans and it backfired. He tried and failed, although not as bad as Carter and Desert One, IMHO.
 
2010-03-03 05:19:44 PM  
TripSixes: When the reagan coins come out, I'm going to buy several rolls of them and shove them up my ass.

So, you're rootin for them to slap him on the half dollar then eh?
 
2010-03-03 05:19:57 PM  
And unfortunately, Dubya pissed away the peace dividend on tax cuts.

Wait, not taking money from people is "pissing it away"? If so, could you please piss a few thousand bucks to me?
 
2010-03-03 05:19:59 PM  
shanester: People will tell you he had nothing to do with the fall of the USSR. sorry, I was there.

Where?
 
2010-03-03 05:20:07 PM  
shanester: NotoriousW.O.P: Actually, if I recall correctly, it was that bleeding heart Richard Nixon who said that the Soviets lost the Cold War; the Americans didn't win it.

That's like saying the North did not win the Civil War. The South lost it.

What?
Read what you said. Sense is lacking!


Take it up with zombie Nixon. He said it.
 
2010-03-03 05:20:14 PM  
shanester: YouWinAgainGravity: You just fell for a fark cliche reference and the over-the-top ranting and name-calling makes you look really dumb and is highly amusing.

I guess I do look really dumb to you guyz.

Then again, I don't live in my Mom's basement and have time to spend hours and hours of the day on Fark like you guys, so I don't know all of the cliche references. Do you guys win toys for knowing that? LOL. I am impressed with your HUGE Fark knowledge. It should help you get a job when Mom kicks you out!

Hehe


You sound fat.
 
2010-03-03 05:20:17 PM  
Subby: GOP lawmaker wants Reagan to replace Grant on the US $50 bill, because Reagan is the greatest president ever and all Grant did was WIN THE FARKING CIVIL WARLATE UNPLEASANTNESS

FTFY, Subby
 
2010-03-03 05:20:22 PM  
NotoriousW.O.P: And unfortunately, Dubya pissed away the peace dividend on tax cuts.

Let me explain... AGAIN.

When marginal tax rates are LOWERED, REVENUES GO UP!
Look it up. It's happened EVERY TIME.

When JFK lowered taxes, revenues went up. When Reagan did, revenues went up, when Bush did, revenues went up.

God! Just look it up!

Revenues went up... so the problem with the deficit was that spending went up more! Yes, Bush spent like a drunken sailor, but tax cuts PRODUCE MORE MONEY! It's a fact!

God, even Obama mentioned that in a speech.
 
2010-03-03 05:20:43 PM  
Wow, Republicans have a real hard-on for Reagan. What was so special about him that they like to deify him?
 
2010-03-03 05:20:44 PM  
Cyclometh:


Sorry, poor paste job. I was quoting a previous post about Reagan's crimes in office, and the fact that I still think the photo of him in the box is the best.

There has been so much myth attributed to Reagan and his presidency. Its all bull. You are right on the money about the bankruptcy of the Soviet Union.

People really need to read about the Iran Contra affair.
 
2010-03-03 05:20:46 PM  
shanester: halfof33: shanester: Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?

Hahaha! Right, asshat. A friend of mine got arrested at Taco bell for using one of those.

Fail.

Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

You really did not know that there ARE $2 bills?
Really? How old are you? 10?

Got arrested? LOL. You don't have to lie.

GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"


apparently google isn't your friend...

NOOB!!1!
 
2010-03-03 05:21:55 PM  
JusticeandIndependence: Where?

West Germany.
Lost several family members to Commies.
No need to go into it, but SEVERAL family members across Europe.
 
2010-03-03 05:22:10 PM  
shanester: ISpeakBlob: What about all of the sick people Reagan healed?
What of those he raised from the dead?
Did he not turn water into wine and feed the masses with a single loaf of bread?

Confusing him with Obama.
Obama was going to "heal" the planet.
Prevent the dead with socialistic healthcare.
Cause the "rising oceans to recede".

LOL.

Loved that speech.


Tip: "LOL" isn't a substitute for an actual argument.

/and no, replying to this comment with LOL would not be witty, so try to resist.
 
2010-03-03 05:22:39 PM  
Baryogenesis: Can anyone explain to me why so many conservatives (even conservatives born after Reagan was out of office) worship Reagan like a demigod?

John Hughes movies.
 
2010-03-03 05:22:40 PM  
shanester: PRODUCE MORE MONEY!

you mean more revenues? Also Bill Clinton wants a word with you.
 
2010-03-03 05:22:50 PM  
jst3p: You sound fat.

You type slow.
 
2010-03-03 05:23:11 PM  
Hey someone in congress is finally doing something that matters. We should not only replace Grant on the 50 but also he needs to replace Roosevelt on Mt Rushmore. That socialist does NOT deserve to be there next to Jefferson and Lincoln. See you libs think Obama is the Messiah, but Reagan is the ACTUAL messiah. He was literally King Arthur. He was a true MAN (he was NOT gay) who brought are country a peacetime expansion unrivaled among his peers and salvaged the economy after Carter. Think about how different life was back then. Ford, GM and the American automakers were flying high. Now there all bankrupt and there cars are worthless. My lincoln mercury van burned to a crisp recently and insurance only gave me $10. Back then Presidents didnt try to make interns suck there johnsons like Clinton. Back then we didnt turn tail or run from terrorists by giving them rights. I still cant beleive waterboerding or indefinate detainment makes you libs all mad. Is one terrorists life worth even a minute of are time. NO. And we didnt give into unions. If air traffic controllers want to strike and make all the planes hover around in the sky aimlessly until they crash in some big airfield then THERE FIRED. This is why I miss Reagan. The truth is the GOP fell apart after he retired. George Bush, Pat Buchanan, John Mccain, these are all liberals hiding hard in GOP clothing. The GOP is dead and I want there epitaph to read "we died with Reagan". Reagan died for my sin howerver like Jesus he will rise from the dead as the new GOP. Thats why the tea party movement is growing stronger and we will soon fill more and more seats with true Independents AKA Republicans. Lets get Kathryn Harris on the Supreme Court. She will undo the work of Justice Blackmun. Roe v Wade will be a thing of the past. Lets get Joe Wilson as VP. Then we need a Presidential cannidite who actually is the second coming of Reagan by the name of Sarah Palin. She is the only one who can save America but you libs cant cant see it because you only care about "youre team". Its a dam shame. You would rather have a president whos a gimmick. In leftist circles it makes sense to elect a Black man because they have "style". Really if I wanted to elect someone because there "cool" id get Lady Gaga, but singing Pokerface may not qualify you for President so maybe lets elect Palin to Washington and we can elect Obama, Gaga and Michael Jackson to the Rock and Roll HOF in Cleveland.

/For the record I dont hate all libs. I did vote for Nixon
 
2010-03-03 05:23:17 PM  
browntimmy: shanester: ISpeakBlob: What about all of the sick people Reagan healed?
What of those he raised from the dead?
Did he not turn water into wine and feed the masses with a single loaf of bread?

Confusing him with Obama.
Obama was going to "heal" the planet.
Prevent the dead with socialistic healthcare.
Cause the "rising oceans to recede".

LOL.

Loved that speech.

Tip: "LOL" isn't a substitute for an actual argument.



LO..

/and no, replying to this comment with LOL would not be witty, so try to resist.

Awwwww shucks.
 
2010-03-03 05:24:04 PM  
shanester: jst3p: You sound fat.

You type slow.


That is for your benefit, based on your comments I assume you read slow, and I don't want to lose you.
 
2010-03-03 05:24:23 PM  
WhyteRaven74: you mean more revenues? Also Bill Clinton wants a word with you.

Just look it up.
Even JFK knew that.

That's why he reduced rates. He brought in more $.

Simple ECO101.
I guess they don't teach that anymore.
 
2010-03-03 05:24:56 PM  
sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

If you're from the South, I agree.
If you're from the North, I agree.

/from the South
//we may have the choice soon when the Union goes belly up in bankruptcy
 
2010-03-03 05:25:05 PM  
Knucklepopper: First Liter in! HaHa!!!!

Grant may have been a great general but he was a shiat el presidente. Reagan took down the Commies.


No, actually, he didn't.

The commies self-destructed while he was at the helm. He did however manage to spend us into record deficits in a big last-round dick-waving contest.
 
2010-03-03 05:25:15 PM  
MiddleyMcCentrist: Conservatives still lining up to eat Reagan's poo, I see.

You forgot to put "Conservatives" in quotes.
 
2010-03-03 05:25:17 PM  
StopArrestingMe. Time for your nap.
 
2010-03-03 05:25:21 PM  
conductormtm: 9. Arms for hostages and dealing w/ drug runners? See point 6. The arms for hostages was an honest attempt to free captured Americans and it backfired. He tried and failed, although not as bad as Carter and Desert One, IMHO.

Arms for hostages worked out just fine. He got elected, the hostages came home and Iran got the arms.

It was the nuns who really got screwed in the deal.
 
2010-03-03 05:26:15 PM  
shanester: YouWinAgainGravity: You just fell for a fark cliche reference and the over-the-top ranting and name-calling makes you look really dumb and is highly amusing.

I guess I do look really dumb to you guyz.

Then again, I don't live in my Mom's basement and have time to spend hours and hours of the day on Fark like you guys, so I don't know all of the cliche references. Do you guys win toys for knowing that? LOL. I am impressed with your HUGE Fark knowledge. It should help you get a job when Mom kicks you out!

Hehe


1. I don't live in my mom's basement...she doesn't even have one!

2. It doesn't take much to get the jokes around here...chillax for fark's sake

3. I think you were more called out on the name calling and rudeness....

5. Just because the people on here are older does not mean that we all sit around with our monacles while sipping tea in big leather chairs discussing worldly issues...sometimes...just sometimes, it is nice to come here to get away from the seriousness...
 
2010-03-03 05:26:30 PM  
This thread needs more dollarbill


i221.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-03 05:26:37 PM  
WhyteRaven74: you mean more revenues? Also Bill Clinton wants a word with you.

Yes.

Ronnie dropped the top rate from 70% to 35%. Guess what? More money came into the treasury from those people.

Now, I am sure if you drop the rates to 5%, it won't work, there's a limit. But the truth is that every time the marginal rates have been lowered, more $$ has come in from that group.
 
2010-03-03 05:26:44 PM  
jvowles: The commies self-destructed while he was at the helm.

Technically George was at the helm when the wall fell but I see your point.
 
2010-03-03 05:26:45 PM  
shanester: Lost several family members to Commies.

I'm half Ukranian and half Czech, and Czech born on top of it all. The Ukranian side of the family didn't fare too well in Lenin's and Stalin's day. Czech side didn't do too well under Hitler since part of it was Jewish. Oh and my paternal grandfather was an artillery officer during WW2 for the Red Army, transferred to the Czech army in 47. I have plenty of family back that way even still.
 
2010-03-03 05:28:07 PM  
jvowles: The commies self-destructed while he was at the helm.

Keep telling yourself that. Delusions are comfortable, no?
 
2010-03-03 05:28:31 PM  
Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)


Chamberlain was indeed one badassmotherfarker. The biggest thing was he could turn it on and off. Some, like Patton, can't function outside a combat environment. Chamberlain could.

Mishno: sweetmelissa31: vygramul: You two are missing the point. You can't say the war was about freeing the slaves when the slaves over which the Union had undisputed power were still kept in bondage.

/ Yes, Sherman burned out a lot of property on his way to the coast. "War is hell". It also would have taken a lot more burning to equal the barbarity that was Andersonville prison.


Guess you never heard of Camp Douglas?

Civil war POW atrocities were favorites of both sides. In Andersonville's situation, some of the deaths could be attributed to the south's general supply shortage. Chicago faced no such issues.

jwa007: Okay, I dont' want to see Reagan on any money, but Grant did not "win" the Civil War.

Yes, he did. He was the first union commander willing to win at any cost. Everyone else ran like a puppy when Lee bloodied their nose. Grant just kept up the pressure because he knew the south couldn't win a slugging match.

bulldg4life: Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

There was no reason to burn everything from the Chattahoochee river to the Atlantic Ocean.

I am not sure if the idea of "total war" is something to remember fondly.


Sherman understood the only way to end the war was for the south to truly understand that they were beaten. Anything other than total, complete defeat would result in a population willing to engage in further insurrection. See Germany 1919-1945, Iraq 2003, Korea 1953-present.

Lee said "It is well that war is so terrible. We should grow too fond of it." Sherman made sure the whole south understood it.

He also really didn't burn down everything.

/100% Southerner but willing to acknowledge the truth.
//Loves me some Reagan, but leave the damned money alone.
 
2010-03-03 05:28:56 PM  
shanester: When marginal tax rates are LOWERED, REVENUES GO UP!
Look it up. It's happened EVERY TIME.


And when Clinton raised taxes, revenues went up because of Reagan's prior tax decrease. Miraculous things, these tax cuts.
 
2010-03-03 05:29:13 PM  
Mishno:

// Yes, Maryland, a "northern" state had slaves. It's also the state that Lincoln had to sneak through, in disguise, in the dark of night on the way to his inauguration so as to avoid riots. I don't believe that Maryland had northern ideals in her heart.


KY also had slaves and did not secede, therefore the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply

/Mary Lincoln's family owned slaves, A.L. was just too poor
 
2010-03-03 05:29:31 PM  
Aarontology: I'd also like to say that only putting Presidents (with the exception of Benjamin "Pimp Hands" Franklin) on money is kind of silly.

Hamilton would like to duel you to reclaim his honor.
 
2010-03-03 05:30:50 PM  
Rapmaster2000: You do realize that everyone claims that the chicks from where they live are hotter than the chicks in other places and that the food that they eat is better than other food, right? It kind of makes the rest of your accurate statement sound provincial.

I can tell you without hesitation that the women around here are no hotter per capita (maybe per pound) than any other place in this country, and that with the exception of the ethnic restaurants that have opened up in the last 20 years or so, the food is devoid of any flavor. Great steaks from several kinds of animal, though.

If I move again, I'm finding a place that wasn't settled by scandinavians. Everything they cook is either totally bland or sickly sweet... or lutefisk.
 
2010-03-03 05:30:56 PM  
shanester: Ronnie dropped the top rate from 70% to 35%. Guess what? More money came into the treasury from those people.

Also a lot of loopholes were closed up in the process as well. Those loopholes kept people in the top tax bracket from actually paying as much as the tax rate would indicate they should. When the top marginal rate was cut so much if those loopholes were kept in place, their tax payments would've cratered. Whether or not the losses in income tax revenue would've been offset by the increased tax revenues from private spending is a tough issue to work out. But there was more going on than a tax cut back then.
 
2010-03-03 05:31:10 PM  
whimofsteel: Mishno:

// Yes, Maryland, a "northern" state had slaves. It's also the state that Lincoln had to sneak through, in disguise, in the dark of night on the way to his inauguration so as to avoid riots. I don't believe that Maryland had northern ideals in her heart.

KY also had slaves and did not secede, therefore the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply

/Mary Lincoln's family owned slaves, A.L. was just too poor


my parents have a bill of sale for a slave. a 30-yr old buck.
 
2010-03-03 05:33:19 PM  
For Reals??
Not to be mean
Or anything
Really, I am cool about your
Guys' help and all.
But there is no such thing as a $2 dollar bill!
You Kuckleheads.
 
2010-03-03 05:34:12 PM  
field marshal tania: Reagan was a prick, a liar and an idiot. It amazes me how many Americans have selective amnesia when it comes to Reagan, and what a divisive and dangerous man he was and how much damage he did to this country. Even on the most superficial level, the uber-partisanship and crude political discourse we now have to suffer through stems directly from Reagan's time in office. And the fact that he ratted out fellow Hollywood denizens during the Communist witch hunts on its own shows what an evil and patently un-American sort he was and should have excluded him from holding public office of ANY kind, much less President of the United States. But then again I know people who are so stupid they look back with nostalgia at the "W" administration, despite the fact that they have lost their jobs, homes and life savings. Stupid is as stupid does I guess...

*sigh* 0/10
/so obvious
 
2010-03-03 05:34:52 PM  
halfof33:
But there is no such thing as a $2 dollar bill!


In case you're not trolling, go to Teds, they give them as bar change

/got a couple in my wallet right now, just to confuse clerks who are irritating
 
2010-03-03 05:35:07 PM  
shanester: Keep telling yourself that. Delusions are comfortable, no?

Funny you didn't respond to my post about how what the US had from the 70s, five new operational military aircraft, was more than the Soviets could handle as is. It's not like they could afford what they were doing as is, those five aircraft really made a mess of things. The Soviets had to deal with a plane that could destroy any tank they had with just its gun. When your tanks suddenly become very vulnerable and your Army depends on tanks to a great degree, that's a major problem. A very expensive major problem.
 
2010-03-03 05:35:10 PM  
I heard he raped and killed a girl in 1990
 
2010-03-03 05:35:34 PM  
kronicfeld: "As I said before, put Reagan on all promissory notes."

WIN
 
2010-03-03 05:35:59 PM  
whimofsteel: go to Teds

Ted? Is that fb's son?
 
2010-03-03 05:36:33 PM  
Matthew Lesko for the $50

www.nndb.com

He helps people get free money from the government. That, my friend, is a good guy!
 
2010-03-03 05:36:36 PM  
Baryogenesis: Can anyone explain to me why so many conservatives (even conservatives born after Reagan was out of office) worship Reagan like a demigod?

cut income taxes, rehabilitated the military, the economy was finally corrected under his watch, talked shiat to russia.

Can you explain why democrats think JFK in his short stint was anything but the worst president of the 20th century? tax cuts?
 
2010-03-03 05:36:50 PM  
Democrats are howling that Reagan's too divisive?

He carried 44 states in 1980. And 49 states in 1984.


And you might want to ask a southerner whether U.S. Grant is divisive.
 
2010-03-03 05:37:49 PM  
Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)


And played by Jeff Daniels in two of the only decent civil war movies that have come out.
 
2010-03-03 05:38:51 PM  
thomps: when you throw $100s at the club you make it rain, when you throw new $50s at the club you just make it trickle down

/done
 
2010-03-03 05:39:28 PM  
shanester: NotoriousW.O.P: And unfortunately, Dubya pissed away the peace dividend on tax cuts.

Let me explain... AGAIN.

When marginal tax rates are LOWERED, REVENUES GO UP!
Look it up. It's happened EVERY TIME.

When JFK lowered taxes, revenues went up. When Reagan did, revenues went up, when Bush did, revenues went up.

God! Just look it up!

Revenues went up... so the problem with the deficit was that spending went up more! Yes, Bush spent like a drunken sailor, but tax cuts PRODUCE MORE MONEY! It's a fact!

God, even Obama mentioned that in a speech.


All right, then let me clarify: Dubya pissed the peace dividend away on tax cuts while expanding government and spending money hand over fist on wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Better?

And for the record, Reagan was responsible for the largest tax increase in American history. It's why the Republicans lost the Senate in 1982 after taking it in 1980.
 
2010-03-03 05:40:13 PM  
shanester:

Let me explain... AGAIN.

When marginal tax rates are LOWERED, REVENUES GO UP!
Look it up. It's happened EVERY TIME.

When JFK lowered taxes, revenues went up. When Reagan did, revenues went up, when Bush did, revenues went up.

God! Just look it up!

Revenues went up... so the problem with the deficit was that spending went up more! Yes, Bush spent like a drunken sailor, but tax cuts PRODUCE MORE MONEY! It's a fact!

God, even Obama mentioned that in a speech.

img35.imageshack.us

What shanester may look like.
 
2010-03-03 05:41:06 PM  
sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?
 
2010-03-03 05:41:13 PM  
CanisNoir: TripSixes: When the reagan coins come out, I'm going to buy several rolls of them and shove them up my ass.

So, you're rootin for them to slap him on the half dollar then eh?


The reagan presidential dollar coins should be out in a few years.
 
2010-03-03 05:42:52 PM  
TripSixes: CanisNoir: TripSixes: When the reagan coins come out, I'm going to buy several rolls of them and shove them up my ass.

So, you're rootin for them to slap him on the half dollar then eh?

The reagan presidential dollar coins should be out in a few years.


some of them already are. My mother in law gave my son and daughter the new- I shiat you not- Millard Fillmore dollar coin. I looked at it and laughed, asking her where she got such a brilliant joke coin.

/Yes, a Millard Fillmore dollar.
//still think it's a joke.
 
2010-03-03 05:43:27 PM  
colon_pow: whimofsteel: Mishno:

// Yes, Maryland, a "northern" state had slaves. It's also the state that Lincoln had to sneak through, in disguise, in the dark of night on the way to his inauguration so as to avoid riots. I don't believe that Maryland had northern ideals in her heart.

KY also had slaves and did not secede, therefore the Emancipation Proclamation did not apply

/Mary Lincoln's family owned slaves, A.L. was just too poor

my parents have a bill of sale for a slave. a 30-yr old buck.


There are some people at your door that would like to discuss reparations with you.
 
2010-03-03 05:44:36 PM  
shanester: Imagine if Obama was Pres then, he'd want to talk, they'd talk and stall and the USSR would have been around for another 10 years.

Like that lovely dialog he had with the Somalian pirates? Those talks are still going on, right?
 
2010-03-03 05:44:42 PM  
sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

the south lost.

they shouldn't have lost if they didn't want to be a part of the union.

/punishment by making them jump back in with the dysfuctional circus freak family.
 
2010-03-03 05:45:07 PM  
halfof33: whimofsteel: go to Teds

Ted? Is that fb's son?


I'm sure I should know that, but I don't, so tell me.

Ted's Montana Grill - basically known for bison burgers
(It's ok, not great)
 
2010-03-03 05:45:14 PM  
FishingWithFredo: Democrats are howling that Reagan's too divisive?

He carried 44 states in 1980. And 49 states in 1984.

And you might want to ask a southerner whether U.S. Grant is divisive.



I'll agree that Grant has no place on the $50 bill if you'll agree that Reagan was a mediocre president who was responsible for the decline of the Republican party.

The only thing more dangerous than tax-and-spend politicians is tax-cut-and-spend-more presidents, and that is what Reagan's real legacy is.

Show me someone who thinks Reagan is a Good Republican and I'll show you someone who thinks Palin would make a swell POTUS you betcha.

/Republican
//Last good Republican POTUS: Ike
 
2010-03-03 05:45:42 PM  
HeartBurnKid: FTFA: "Every generation needs its own heroes," McHenry said in a written statement. "One decade into the 21st century, it's time to honor the last great president of the 20th and give President Reagan a place beside Presidents Roosevelt and Kennedy."

S'funny... now they want Reagan to have a place beside Roosevelt. Am I the only one who remembers the Reagan Dime push? They used to think Roosevelt wasn't worthy of the honor of being on currency.


I remember when Republicans wanted to amend the Constitution so that he could run for a third term.
 
2010-03-03 05:48:04 PM  
El Dudereno: Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)

And played by Jeff Daniels in two of the only decent civil war movies that have come out.


Disagree. While you're right with Gettysburg, "Ride With The Devil" didn't even have Chamberlain as a character.
/Wouldn't call "Gods and Generals" decent with a .577 Enfield pointed at me. At least "Ride with the Devil" had some titty shots.
 
2010-03-03 05:48:15 PM  
www.robbieconal.com
 
2010-03-03 05:49:07 PM  
More_Like_A_Stain: shanester: Imagine if Obama was Pres then, he'd want to talk, they'd talk and stall and the USSR would have been around for another 10 years.

Like that lovely dialog he had with the Somalian pirates? Those talks are still going on, right?


Sheik Barack Al Boom Headshot they call him around those parts.
 
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2010-03-03 05:49:25 PM  
ne2d: Uh, Lincoln was president during the Civil War, dumbassmitter.
joke


You're kidding, right? You don't know?
 
2010-03-03 05:49:27 PM  
WhyteRaven74: Funny you didn't respond to my post about how what the US had from the 70s, five new operational military aircraft, was more than the Soviets could handle as is. It's not like they could afford what they were doing as is, those five aircraft really made a mess of things. The Soviets had to deal with a plane that could destroy any tank they had with just its gun. When your tanks suddenly become very vulnerable and your Army depends on tanks to a great degree, that's a major problem. A very expensive major problem.

It's only an expensive problem when you actually believe the other side will make use of those air craft and the Soviets thought Reagan would; hell, half of America thought he would too. That's what forced them to spend the money and it caused them to fall sooner.
 
2010-03-03 05:50:19 PM  
downstairs: sweetmelissa31: Your freed slaves did a lot for the area, I'll admit.

You do realize the North had slaves too?


But they weren't doing anything for the South which was the point.
 
2010-03-03 05:51:14 PM  
Nabb1: Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

Yes, a man who directed his soldiers to rape women in South Carolina in retribution for starting secession is a hero, indeed.


They didn't do it again, did they?
 
2010-03-03 05:51:16 PM  
StopArrestingMe: Hey someone in congress is finally doing something that matters. We should not only replace Grant on the 50 but also he needs to replace Roosevelt on Mt Rushmore. That socialist does NOT deserve to be there next to Jefferson and Lincoln. See you libs think Obama is the Messiah, but Reagan is the ACTUAL messiah. He was literally King Arthur. He was a true MAN (he was NOT gay) who brought are country a peacetime expansion unrivaled among his peers and salvaged the economy after Carter. Think about how different life was back then. Ford, GM and the American automakers were flying high. Now there all bankrupt and there cars are worthless. My lincoln mercury van burned to a crisp recently and insurance only gave me $10. Back then Presidents didnt try to make interns suck there johnsons like Clinton. Back then we didnt turn tail or run from terrorists by giving them rights. I still cant beleive waterboerding or indefinate detainment makes you libs all mad. Is one terrorists life worth even a minute of are time. NO. And we didnt give into unions. If air traffic controllers want to strike and make all the planes hover around in the sky aimlessly until they crash in some big airfield then THERE FIRED. This is why I miss Reagan. The truth is the GOP fell apart after he retired. George Bush, Pat Buchanan, John Mccain, these are all liberals hiding hard in GOP clothing. The GOP is dead and I want there epitaph to read "we died with Reagan". Reagan died for my sin howerver like Jesus he will rise from the dead as the new GOP. Thats why the tea party movement is growing stronger and we will soon fill more and more seats with true Independents AKA Republicans. Lets get Kathryn Harris on the Supreme Court. She will undo the work of Justice Blackmun. Roe v Wade will be a thing of the past. Lets get Joe Wilson as VP. Then we need a Presidential cannidi (Kennedy?)te who actually is the second coming of Reagan by the name of Sarah Palin. She is the only one who can save America but you libs cant cant see it because you only care about "youre team". Its a dam shame. You would rather have a president whos a gimmick. In leftist circles it makes sense to elect a Black man because they have "style". Really if I wanted to elect someone because there "cool" id get Lady Gaga, but singing Pokerface may not qualify you for President so maybe lets elect Palin to Washington and we can elect Obama, Gaga and Michael Jackson to the Rock and Roll HOF in Cleveland.

/For the record I dont hate all libs. I did vote for Nixon


Wow, that's a lot, and I probably missed some.
 
2010-03-03 05:52:44 PM  
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For the 50...


/obscure?
 
2010-03-03 05:52:52 PM  
Civil War thread? Awesome.

Grant, Sherman and Sheridan were all born in Ohio.
 
2010-03-03 05:53:07 PM  
randomizetimer: sweetmelissa31: downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?

Not at the time of the Civil War.

No, the Northern Industrialists just paid their employee a wage that they could not live on, so the immigrants made their young kids get jobs so the family could eat.


Ah, Libertarian ideals at work.
 
2010-03-03 05:53:18 PM  
Yep silly idear. Among other things, "Raygun" brought down the Soviets without a shot, brought home the Iran hostages, when so many were sure he would start WWIII, instilled some pride back in America.....Oh I forgot. Leaders aren't supposed to do things like that.
 
2010-03-03 05:53:33 PM  
Some of us were alive thru the time when Ronald Raygunz(ZAP) was president and even when he was a shill in California and even, gasp, when he was in cheap movies costarring with monkeys.

Let's not start rewriting history yet.

He fooled a lot of the people a lot of the time, hardly great.
 
2010-03-03 05:56:45 PM  
I'm just going to leave this here:
openanthropology.files.wordpress.com

And this:
www.mugshotalley.com
I hate to see him in the uniform.
 
2010-03-03 05:58:43 PM  
relcec: Baryogenesis: Can anyone explain to me why so many conservatives (even conservatives born after Reagan was out of office) worship Reagan like a demigod?

cut income taxes, rehabilitated the military, the economy was finally corrected under his watch, talked shiat to russia.

Can you explain why democrats think JFK in his short stint was anything but the worst president of the 20th century? tax cuts?


He get's slobbered on by every conservative because of that? Setting the bar low, aren't you? But, I guess that is exactly what conservatives like. Lower taxes, a big ol' military for kicking ass and a whole lot of "We're number 1!" chanting.

And I don't give 2 shiats about JFK, but I haven't heard democrats try to compare him to Washington and Lincoln, either.
 
2010-03-03 05:58:44 PM  
For all the arguments about Grant's generalship, the one thing he did that no other Union commander did was this: when he got kicked in the nuts by Lee's army, he kept advancing anyway, knowing that he could win by brute force. Every commander of the Army of the Potomac before him had the same ability, but Grant had the stones to use it. The rest would retreat back north to lick their wounds.

It also helped that his buddy Sherman was raising hell in the deep south.
 
2010-03-03 05:59:39 PM  
I've never wiped my ass with a $50 before.
 
2010-03-03 05:59:41 PM  
Growing up in school we were taught it was the war between the states. In addition to Maryland - Delaware, Missouri and Kentucky still had slavery until the 13th amendment was adopted. Right now in Delaware there is talk back and forth about an apology for slavery. But I thought this thread was about Reagan put on the 50 dollar bill. I was taught to not speak ill of the dead so I will let the remembering Reagan comic ElwoodCuse submitted speak for me. Also Reagan ratted on fellow actors. Nothing much lower than a rat.
 
2010-03-03 06:00:15 PM  
Team Coors Light: ">

For the 50...


/obscure?


Dear lord I hope not.

/Fun Fact: Donald Pleasance was an actual WWII POW.
 
2010-03-03 06:01:06 PM  
Aarontology: kmmontandon: vygramul:

"The war was fought over slavery," is at best a one-sided fiction


You might want to, you know, read a bit more. Some of the traitor state's declarations of secession specifically cited slavery as the issue, as well as the writings of both Northern and traitor leaderships.

It depends on how the person uses that phrase. The war was indeed "fought over slavery" for the points you mentioned. There were other issues that were invovled, but those mostly stemmed from slavery in one way or another.

However, the war was not fought to end slavery. Lincoln himself said that if he could get a way to bring the Union back together even if it meant keeping slavery, he would do it.


He also wasn't too keen on freeing the slaves and having free blacks roaming the country. He had preferred to ship them all back to Africa but economics kept him from doing so.
 
2010-03-03 06:03:36 PM  
Delaware_Bill: Growing up in school we were taught it was the war between the states. In addition to Maryland - Delaware, Missouri and Kentucky still had slavery until the 13th amendment was adopted. Right now in Delaware there is talk back and forth about an apology for slavery. But I thought this thread was about Reagan put on the 50 dollar bill. I was taught to not speak ill of the dead so I will let the remembering Reagan comic ElwoodCuse submitted speak for me. Also Reagan ratted on fellow actors. Nothing much lower than a rat.

Boo hoo hoo I wish Jim didn't rat me out that I killed my wife. Stupid snitch! Yeah hate the rat and not the scumbag that is doing something illegal right?
 
2010-03-03 06:04:34 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Nabb1: Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.

Your freed slaves did a lot for the area, I'll admit.


Also, I LOL'd
 
2010-03-03 06:04:40 PM  
"I can't spare this man, he FIGHTS!"

--Abraham Lincoln of Grant.
 
2010-03-03 06:05:04 PM  
img52.imageshack.us
 
2010-03-03 06:05:42 PM  
El Dudereno 2010-03-03 05:58:44 PM
For all the arguments about Grant's generalship, the one thing he did that no other Union commander did was this: when he got kicked in the nuts by Lee's army, he kept advancing anyway, knowing that he could win by brute force. Every commander of the Army of the Potomac before him had the same ability, but Grant had the stones to use it. The rest would retreat back north to lick their wounds.

It also helped that his buddy Sherman was raising hell in the deep south.
----
This. Was going to type something similar and you saved me the trouble. Thanks!
 
2010-03-03 06:05:54 PM  
I Said: "I wish you libs would get over George W. Bush already"
"I wish you conservatives would get over Reagan already"

Seriously, it's getting really sad.


The first truly bipartisan political Fark post.
 
2010-03-03 06:06:05 PM  
I was in the Air Force when Reagan became president. I thought he was an excellent president. Beirut aside, he did intimidate the Iranians into releasing the hostages and was instrumental in bring down the Berlin wall, all without killing or bombing anybody.

I know the political hacks on the left hate him but, the majority of folks really liked him a lot. He was way better than what we've had serving since I was born.

\There's nothing like a cool refreshing Dr. Pepper to wet your whistle during these times of climate change!

\\slashes live forever!
 
2010-03-03 06:06:22 PM  
shanester: WhyteRaven74: you mean more revenues? Also Bill Clinton wants a word with you.

Yes.

Ronnie dropped the top rate from 70% to 35%. Guess what? More money came into the treasury from those people.

Now, I am sure if you drop the rates to 5%, it won't work, there's a limit. But the truth is that every time the marginal rates have been lowered, more $$ has come in from that group.


You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? Just get out of economics 101? Citations would be nice for all these numbers your throwing out..oh and I don't want to look it up because this is fark and I'm not the one defending an argument.
 
2010-03-03 06:07:03 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: Boo hoo hoo I wish Jim didn't rat me out that I killed my wife. Stupid snitch! Yeah hate the rat and not the scumbag that is doing something illegal right?

I'm guessing it would be safe to use the word ignorant as regards your knowledge of what he ratted people out for?
 
2010-03-03 06:07:56 PM  
StopArrestingMe deserves a lot more credit. It's really the only post worth reading.
 
2010-03-03 06:08:09 PM  
Mr. Coffee Nerves: A
Strangely enough, he is a lifelong registered Democrat. He just thinks that Reagan's sweat cured lupus and his urine was actually made of real gold.


Democrats are stupid like that.
 
2010-03-03 06:09:44 PM  
El Dudereno: For all the arguments about Grant's generalship, the one thing he did that no other Union commander did was this: when he got kicked in the nuts by Lee's army, he kept advancing anyway, knowing that he could win by brute force. Every commander of the Army of the Potomac before him had the same ability, but Grant had the stones to use it. The rest would retreat back north to lick their wounds.

It also helped that his buddy Sherman was raising hell in the deep south.


And, Sherman started a great paint company with Billy D. Williams to cover up the fire damage in Georgia. So there's that.

Billy later started Lando Lakes Butter Co., I think.

(Billy, wearing Sherman's concept design Union Army dancewear)
nymag.com
 
2010-03-03 06:10:30 PM  
TwoHead: the money is in the banana stand: Boo hoo hoo I wish Jim didn't rat me out that I killed my wife. Stupid snitch! Yeah hate the rat and not the scumbag that is doing something illegal right?

I'm guessing it would be safe to use the word ignorant as regards your knowledge of what he ratted people out for?


I wasn't responding to Reagan's actions, but the comment about "no one likes a rat." I would have been more specific if I was talking about Reagan, hence the analogy.
 
2010-03-03 06:11:39 PM  
Why would you put Reagan on a $50 bill? Just print up a new $1,000,000 bill and put his face on it; Americans will be using them everyday to buy bread soon enough.
 
2010-03-03 06:12:45 PM  
Grant > Reagan x eleventy.

If the OG GOP was alive today they would rape the current GOP with broomsticks and sell their wives to African slave traders.
 
2010-03-03 06:12:52 PM  
the money is in the banana stand: Yeah hate the rat and not the scumbag that is doing something illegal right?

The actors weren't doing anything illegal. TMYK.
 
2010-03-03 06:15:21 PM  
country_boy: he did intimidate the Iranians into releasing the hostages

Maybe I'm wrong to think eventually history will catch up with this sort of retarded shiat. Maybe they have actually embedded it into the public consciousness like green M&Ms being an aphrodisiac and Gary Condit being a murderer.

He didn't intimidate them into releasing the hostages. He bribed them into keeping them longer so he could be elected.

Treasonous by any measure before you even factor in what he did with the profits.
 
2010-03-03 06:15:48 PM  
all presidents are inherently evil. The office itself was only created as part of the federal constitution that was illegally installed to replace the Articles of Confederation. Additionally, anyone who passes through the filter of Capital to get to the office must necesssarily be intrinsically evil.

you may now return to your regularly scheduled pseudopolitical discussion.
 
2010-03-03 06:16:53 PM  
country_boy: Beirut aside, he did intimidate the Iranians into releasing the hostages

He didn't intimidate the Iranians. He bought them off. Illegally. Then tried to tell us that he didn't do it.
 
2010-03-03 06:17:21 PM  
I thnk we should put Chester Arthur On the money
 
2010-03-03 06:17:31 PM  
TwoHead: country_boy: he did intimidate the Iranians into releasing the hostages

Maybe I'm wrong to think eventually history will catch up with this sort of retarded shiat. Maybe they have actually embedded it into the public consciousness like green M&Ms being an aphrodisiac and Gary Condit being a murderer.

He didn't intimidate them into releasing the hostages. He bribed them into keeping them longer so he could be elected.

Treasonous by any measure before you even factor in what he did with the profits.


Thank you sir.
 
2010-03-03 06:18:43 PM  
CanisNoir: WhyteRaven74: Funny you didn't respond to my post about how what the US had from the 70s, five new operational military aircraft, was more than the Soviets could handle as is. It's not like they could afford what they were doing as is, those five aircraft really made a mess of things. The Soviets had to deal with a plane that could destroy any tank they had with just its gun. When your tanks suddenly become very vulnerable and your Army depends on tanks to a great degree, that's a major problem. A very expensive major problem.

It's only an expensive problem when you actually believe the other side will make use of those air craft and the Soviets thought Reagan would; hell, half of America thought he would too. That's what forced them to spend the money and it caused them to fall sooner.


Reagan seriously increased military spending and the soviet union followed suit when they could least afford to. It wasn't just the 70's plane designs coming online, it was also the fact that he doubled procurement expenditures and significantly increased r&d. There was the b2 bomber, star wars, Bradley fighting vehicle, the 600 ship navy, and they built close to a 1000 Abrams tanks in 1987 alone. From what I read the SU was genuinely threatened by him and thus had to commit ever more to military spending when they needed to be focusing on export production to rebuild their currency reserves after the bottom fell out of oil. Was it a necessary part of the of the mix that caused the SU to fall? Maybe not. The SU had certainly survived worse economic messes when its leaders had more political will. Gorby gets the credit of course, but Reagan played a not insignificant part, the timing was perfect.

/Carter gets some love for tweaking the soviets in Afghanistan which was no small part of the equation too.
 
2010-03-03 06:19:14 PM  
The North didn't fight the civil war to free the slaves but the South certainly fought to keep them.
 
2010-03-03 06:19:31 PM  
relcec: Can you explain why democrats think JFK in his short stint was anything but the worst president of the 20th century? tax cuts?

Hoover
 
2010-03-03 06:22:33 PM  
Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?


Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!
 
2010-03-03 06:22:39 PM  
ne2d: Uh, Lincoln was president during the Civil War, dumbassmitter.
joke


actually you're the dumbass, submitter didn;t say Grant was the President. He said he won the civil war which while I agree is a blanket statement, but Grant did have a pretty big role in the victory.
 
2010-03-03 06:25:12 PM  
shanester: Cyclometh: Er... no. The US didn't win it. The Soviets lost it and Reagan had nothing much to do with it. It's not likely his administration hastened the demise of the USSR by one day.

LOL.
Yeah.
We had NOTHING to do with it. Nada.
LOL.

Unfortunately, a lot of people believe that. Hohum.


Yes, Regan brought Peristroika to the USSR all by himself.
 
2010-03-03 06:25:50 PM  
Nabb1: Yes, Grant "won" the Civil War (his actual contributions are still the subject of debate) as a general and military leader, not as President. In fact, his presidency was marred by scandals and is considered by some historians to be one of the worst in history. Not that I care that he's on the fifty-dollar bill or want to put Reagan on them. ATMs only dole out twenties, so it's not like many people use them anyway.

The ATM's at the old Trump Casino in Buffington Harbor, Indiana, doled out hunnerts.
 
2010-03-03 06:28:39 PM  
Ass Pennies, put Regan on the Ass-Penny.

Better yet, on the 2-1/2 cent piece. Or maybe on the Bee? Don't ya get five Bee's for a dollar?
 
2010-03-03 06:28:42 PM  
Damn, can't they put Reagan's picture on the one-dollar bill instead? I'm too poor to wipe my ass with fifties.
 
2010-03-03 06:29:01 PM  
I feel like making a really strained analogy.

You can spend your efforts baking more pies, or you can spend your time making sure everyone gets a fair piece, or some mixture of both. When a pie comes out of the oven you have to divert your attention away from rolling out crusts and greasing pans in order to slice it up otherwise the biggest, fattest guy will just shove everyone out of the way and take the whole thing.

You even need to watch the oven while a pie is baking. If you don't the most brazen of the pie-eaters might steal the pie out of the oven before it's even finished cooking. It'll probably make him sick eventually, but he'll be able to eat sooner, and everybody lined up is hungry.

If you're really not paying attention someone might show up with a forklift and steal the oven.
 
2010-03-03 06:31:39 PM  
bmwericus: Ass Pennies, put Regan on the Ass-Penny.

Better yet, on the 2-1/2 cent piece. Or maybe on the Bee? Don't ya get five Bee's for a dollar?


Someone watched Upright Citizen's Brigade.
 
2010-03-03 06:32:19 PM  
gilgamesh23: I feel like making a really strained analogy.

You can spend your efforts baking more pies, or you can spend your time making sure everyone gets a fair piece, or some mixture of both. When a pie comes out of the oven you have to divert your attention away from rolling out crusts and greasing pans in order to slice it up otherwise the biggest, fattest guy will just shove everyone out of the way and take the whole thing.

You even need to watch the oven while a pie is baking. If you don't the most brazen of the pie-eaters might steal the pie out of the oven before it's even finished cooking. It'll probably make him sick eventually, but he'll be able to eat sooner, and everybody lined up is hungry.

If you're really not paying attention someone might show up with a forklift and steal the oven.


I have no clue what you are talking about but I'm going to assume you work for Big Pastry because I am really hungry for pie all of a sudden.
 
2010-03-03 06:33:07 PM  
Lincoln fought the Vampires

Grant fought alcoholism

/Shanester v halfof33 is cracking me up srsly
 
2010-03-03 06:34:36 PM  
konakona: Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?

Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!


Huh? How is the South Rome?
 
2010-03-03 06:36:26 PM  
browntimmy: StopArrestingMe deserves a lot more credit. It's really the only post worth reading.

Thanks for the heads up. That thing is a work of art.
 
2010-03-03 06:36:51 PM  
Union combat casualties: 140000
Confederate combat casualties: 72000

Double the casualty rate. This despite the Union having twice the bankroll, thousands more factories, better weaponry, a real navy, and a larger army.

'Nuff said.
 
2010-03-03 06:38:38 PM  
More_Like_A_Stain: the money is in the banana stand: Yeah hate the rat and not the scumbag that is doing something illegal right?

The actors weren't doing anything illegal. TMYK.


They were Communists, IOW complicit in mass murder. They should have been hanged, along with Jefferson Davis.

Mrtraveler01: konakona: Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?

Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!

Huh? How is the South Rome?


Hey, by 476 AD Rome was pretty seedy.
 
2010-03-03 06:40:30 PM  
So the United States is going to start putting its idiots on the money like they do in Europe?

Well, they used to do that. Now they put scientists, artists, poets, writers, etc. on a lot of their currency. You know, people like Kepler, Descartes, Copernicus, etc.
 
2010-03-03 06:42:19 PM  
Mrtraveler01: konakona: Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?

Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!

Huh? How is the South Rome?


It's the part of the Empire that has been overrun by barbarians. By all means, let's just abandon it rather than take the time, money, and effort necessary to restore it. By cutting off the dead weight, we can perhaps extend the life of our remaining empire without having to address any of the mistakes we've made which have brought us to this point.
 
2010-03-03 06:42:19 PM  
Plus Grant was a total booze hound, a much better representative of the american public!
 
2010-03-03 06:42:26 PM  
Aexia: The North didn't fight the civil war to free the slaves but the South certainly fought to keep them.

That's as good a one-line summary of the origins of the Civil War as I ever hope to read. Thank you, Sir.

For under 600-word summaries, Lincoln's Second Inaugural remains unbeaten.

http://www.nationalcenter.org/LincolnSecondInaugural.html
 
2010-03-03 06:43:26 PM  
Reagan is OK where he is, on my UC diploma. In his prim Reagan would kill most of the folks posting on Fark. At UCSD he brought in the troops for a phantom.

When I hear "Reagan" I think "Drool" in my plate.
 
2010-03-03 06:44:31 PM  
Nabb1: ATMs only dole out twenties, so it's not like many people use them anyway.

My credit union ATM gives you 50's if you take out $300.
 
2010-03-03 06:45:15 PM  
Pharmdawg: Union combat casualties: 140000
Confederate combat casualties: 72000

Double the casualty rate. This despite the Union having twice the bankroll, thousands more factories, better weaponry, a real navy, and a larger army.

'Nuff said.


Weren't most of the battles in Confederate territory though? Seems to me there might be a home-field advantage at work here.
 
2010-03-03 06:48:05 PM  
Bart Simpson, go to the blackboard and write out one hundred times the line: "I will not deface the US currency with Boner jokes."

Twonky?
Flivver?
Pitching a Tent?

\"Lil" Abner Shutt: "There's a feller down the street says he's goin' to make a wagon that'll run without a hoss." The Flivver King, by Upton Sinclair
 
2010-03-03 06:49:03 PM  
gilgamesh23: Pharmdawg: Union combat casualties: 140000
Confederate combat casualties: 72000

Double the casualty rate. This despite the Union having twice the bankroll, thousands more factories, better weaponry, a real navy, and a larger army.

'Nuff said.

Weren't most of the battles in Confederate territory though? Seems to me there might be a home-field advantage at work here.


Thankfully they didn't do a return match with the North on defense...well at least not yet.
 
2010-03-03 06:50:21 PM  
konakona: Mrtraveler01: konakona: Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?

Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!

Huh? How is the South Rome?

It's the part of the Empire that has been overrun by barbarians. By all means, let's just abandon it rather than take the time, money, and effort necessary to restore it. By cutting off the dead weight, we can perhaps extend the life of our remaining empire without having to address any of the mistakes we've made which have brought us to this point.


They do have good food though...grr why is all the good food made in places inhabited by idiots?
 
2010-03-03 06:50:22 PM  
Mrtraveler01: konakona: Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?

Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!

Huh? How is the South Rome?



Seriously.

Rome, GA maybe? OK, we'd lose Berry College, Steve's Tattoos, and a Chick Fil-A. In return, the average IQ of the US goes up 35 points, placing us about even with the next-dumbest country.

I want a concession for the Chick Fil-A though: really strong/high fence with razor wire and automated gun turrets, pointing in.

Where do I sign?
 
2010-03-03 06:50:27 PM  
shanester: halfof33: shanester: Create a $2 bill? Um... you knew there ARE $2 bills, right? No?

Hahaha! Right, asshat. A friend of mine got arrested at Taco bell for using one of those.

Fail.

Um, dumbass. There is a $2 bill. Just google/wiki it you freaking idiot! I believe it's Hamilton on the face?

You really did not know that there ARE $2 bills?
Really? How old are you? 10?

Got arrested? LOL. You don't have to lie.

GOOGLE IT "ASSHAT"


I'm sure others have said this, but, are you new here?
 
2010-03-03 06:51:27 PM  
I think it might be more appropriate to decorate a new brand of toilet paper with images of Reagan and Thatcher.

They could be gender-specific or unisex - I leave it up to the ingenuity of the Marketing department.

/10% royalty will be fine.
 
2010-03-03 06:52:11 PM  
Giblet: Mrtraveler01: konakona: Urinal Gum: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Thank you! Can we just let Jesusland split off and be its own country?

Yes! Let's abandon Rome and salvage what we can of the Eastern Empire!

Huh? How is the South Rome?


Seriously.

Rome, GA maybe? OK, we'd lose Berry College, Steve's Tattoos, and a Chick Fil-A. In return, the average IQ of the US goes up 35 points, placing us about even with the next-dumbest country.

I want a concession for the Chick Fil-A though: really strong/high fence with razor wire and automated gun turrets, pointing in.

Where do I sign?


Damnit, I forgot about Chick-Fil-A. We definitely need to add a concession for that. Sad thing is the owners are very religious and would probably rather have the north starve.
 
2010-03-03 06:52:27 PM  
They can roll out the special, all-white bills in a ceremony down in Philadelphia, MS.
 
2010-03-03 06:53:08 PM  
To supporters of Reagan $50 bill: How 'bout no.
 
2010-03-03 06:53:25 PM  
shanester: Then again, his larges deficit was what? $200-$300 Billion to cause the fall of the USSR. Today? $1.9 TRILLION?

Inflation, you farking idiot.
 
2010-03-03 06:54:23 PM  
Pharmdawg
Union combat casualties: 140000
Confederate combat casualties: 72000


You mean confirmed casualties. The confederacy had inadequate record keeping so nobody really knows how many confederate troops died (especially post-battle from wounds and disease)

Using the same methodology as you, Iran has no homosexual individuals because there isn't a record of them.

having said all that:

The most important thing that Ronald Reagan gave us as a country was making "Buy now, pay later" spending popular and creating policies that have lead to huge deficit spending and national debt. He was a failure that we will cost us for decades to come and doesn't deserve to be on any currency.
 
2010-03-03 06:56:42 PM  
jwa007: Okay, I dont' want to see Reagan on any money, but Grant did not "win" the Civil War. He just happened to be presiding over the Union Army when Lee decided enough blood had been shed for the "cause" and decided if the Union were going to be all butt-hurt and whiny about it he would just as soon stop fighting.

I'm sure someone has already responded to this, but I thought I would anyway, just because you are so wrong. Grant was the first Union general to refuse to retreat in the face of defeat (or even, in the case of the majority of Union generals before him in the face of victory). Grant was the first Union general to understand the Devil's Arithmetic that Lincoln understood from the beginning. The South could kill a thousand Union soldiers, so long as the Union killed a few hundred Confederates, the North would win.
 
2010-03-03 06:56:59 PM  
gilgamesh23: Pharmdawg: Union combat casualties: 140000
Confederate combat casualties: 72000

Double the casualty rate. This despite the Union having twice the bankroll, thousands more factories, better weaponry, a real navy, and a larger army.

'Nuff said.

Weren't most of the battles in Confederate territory though? Seems to me there might be a home-field advantage at work here.


That's part of it, but the generals played a huge part too. Also, I thought casualties were a lot closer with the confederates still getting the better of that measure. Also, over 600k soldiers died. So maybe he misread something or that number came from his ass.
 
2010-03-03 06:58:11 PM  
TwoHead: Thankfully they didn't do a return match with the North on defense...well at least not yet.

Jim Bunning.
 
2010-03-03 07:01:16 PM  
Let's see. Ronald Reagan was an actor. Hmmmmmm.... was he REALLY a President? Or just playing one on teevee?
 
2010-03-03 07:03:10 PM  
kronicfeld: As I said before, put Reagan on all promissory notes.

Oh yes. I like this idea.
 
2010-03-03 07:04:34 PM  
Reagan was the in a class by himself. Kennedy is the 'big bang' of the decline of the USA, Reagan pulled it's ass out of the fire.

Unless you're at LEAST 40+ yrs old, you cant comment on this thread. You had to live in the pre-Reagan years to appreciate what he did for this country, and to truly despise Clinton for his returning it to the dark days of being embarrassed to be an American.
 
2010-03-03 07:05:15 PM  
It pleases me no end to watch the loons bend over backwards slamming Reagan. The fact that he did more good in a year than William Blow-Job Clinton could ever possibly imagine doing in a lifetime is a hoot.

Not republican - Libertarian
 
2010-03-03 07:06:25 PM  
MiddleyMcCentrist: They can roll out the special, all-white bills in a ceremony down in Philadelphia, MS.

farm4.static.flickr.com

And I like it.
 
2010-03-03 07:09:45 PM  
japantheman: Plus Grant was a total booze hound, a much better representative of the american public!

Um, FYI: I think that is a compliment in this crowd.
 
2010-03-03 07:16:03 PM  
Reagan was an asshole and his wife gave blowjobs to everyone in Hollywood.
 
2010-03-03 07:18:10 PM  
I'm late but I just wanted to say sorry for speaking ill of the dead but fark Ronald Reagan. He's got an airport - let's just forget about him and move on.
 
2010-03-03 07:25:40 PM  
A war between two nations is not a civil war.

It was the War For Southern Independence, ignorant farkwitmitter.

And Grant wasn't president until after the war.

Its as if some of you learned your history from the back of a cereal box.
 
2010-03-03 07:26:16 PM  
*It's
 
2010-03-03 07:26:32 PM  
I'm going with this:

There should be a law that automatically makes it legal to kill any legislator anywhere in the country who introduces such legislation now and forever.
 
2010-03-03 07:29:22 PM  
darthgarlic: Not republican - Libertarian

Oh really? Which 'Libertarian' candidates have you voted for?

pimpcheese: Unless you're at LEAST 40+ yrs old, you cant comment on this thread.

Bullshiat. I'm 45. I voted for Reagan first term and I've spent the last two decades regretting it. And I see a hell of a lot of people commenting on U.S. Grant here - are they not allowed to do so by your parameters?
 
2010-03-03 07:30:30 PM  
He traded arms for hostages, dealt drugs with Central American drug lords and gave amnesty to millions of illegals. He should have been impeached.
 
2010-03-03 07:30:51 PM  
BarackHusseinObama: A war between two nations is not a civil war.

It was the War For Southern Independence


Well, that's what it would have been if they have won I suppose. But they did not. To the victor go the spoils you know.
 
2010-03-03 07:32:27 PM  
pimpcheese: Reagan was the in a class by himself. Kennedy is the 'big bang' of the decline of the USA, Reagan pulled it's ass out of the fire.

Unless you're at LEAST 40+ yrs old, you cant comment on this thread. You had to live in the pre-Reagan years to appreciate what he did for this country, and to truly despise Clinton for his returning it to the dark days of being embarrassed to be an American.


Because selling arms to terrorists to fund genocide in south America is totally what America was all about.
 
2010-03-03 07:34:11 PM  
WhyteRaven74: When the top marginal rate was cut so much if those loopholes were kept in place, their tax payments would've cratered.

Tax revenues have remained at about 19.5% of GDP since the end of WWII, regardless of the top marginal tax rate.
 
2010-03-03 07:34:51 PM  
BarackHusseinObama: A war between two nations is not a civil war.

It was the War For Southern Independence, ignorant farkwitmitter.

And Grant wasn't president until after the war.

Its as if some of you learned your history from the back of a cereal box.


It was a failed rebellion, by a bunch of lazy A-holes who thought that owning another human being as property was important enough to murder their countrymen over.

Frak them. The North fought to preserve the union, the south fought to own people.

Those are the facts.
 
2010-03-03 07:35:11 PM  
pimpcheese: Unless you're at LEAST 40+ yrs old, you cant comment on this thread.

That is downright un-American! Everyone has a right to speak their peace, even idiots such as yourself.

Still, I fit your criteria...I am old enough to have seen the horrors of his administration first hand and I say he was a treasonous bastard who should have been hung.

I'll still defend your right to foolishly say otherwise though because unlike you and Reagan I actually believe in the Constitution.
 
2010-03-03 07:36:14 PM  
Grant was only one of a large number of Union Generals who helped win the war. His leadership was good, but many other Union generals performed as well.

History was not Subby's strong point.


Reagan was a good president, and popular and well liked. But we shouldn't fark with money. We should give him something like Lincoln's Memorial. Who cares if we go in more debt.

...apparently not Congress.
 
2010-03-03 07:37:53 PM  
Knucklepopper: Mike_LowELL: You stupid liberals, read your history. The North did not win the Civil War.1 The South was tired of winning and didn't want the North to feel bad about itself.2 The only battle the Confederates lost during the entire Civil War was the Battle of Who Can Raise More Taxes, which the liberal North won emphatically.3 And you'll probably say this story is a bunch of hogwash. But so was Northern superiority. Barack betta' recognize: We bad.

1 Anders, David. "Liberals And Raising Taxes, The Genetic Correllation". December 12, 1999
2 Mom, Your. "The Things I Did". March 2, 2010
3 O'Reilly, Bill. "The O'Reilly Factor", broadcast Februrary 7, 2007

This. Is. Awesome.


A fine example of Farkasm.
 
2010-03-03 07:42:37 PM  
images6.cafepress.com
/hot
 
2010-03-03 07:45:05 PM  
The problem with proposing new people to put on money is, the people who are already on the money still deserve to be there. People who come up with these ideas are showing off their ignorance of history, or at least a lack of perspective.
 
2010-03-03 07:55:38 PM  
Knucklepopper: You know what'd be badass?



Yeah, I went there. Suck it, Repub-tards.



Would you really want to see Malcolm X on a C-note?
 
2010-03-03 07:59:55 PM  
Better idea - how about we bring back the $500.00 bill instead.?
 
2010-03-03 07:59:57 PM  
Antimatter: It was a failed rebellion, by a bunch of lazy A-holes who thought that owning another human being as property was important enough to murder their countrymen over.

Frak them. The North fought to preserve the union, the south fought to own people.


anarchyinyourhead.com
/hot like Sherman's scorched-earth policy

The Confederacy's constitution forbade the importation of slaves. The institution of slavery was on its way out everywhere, including the South.
 
2010-03-03 08:00:29 PM  
shanester: Allornone

thanks for responding. to be honest, I know embarrassingly little about that time period (I was still a baby and for some reason, I just haven't studied that much about it yet). before I start forming too deep of opinions on the politics of it all, I like to know the view from all sides. so thanks.
 
2010-03-03 08:05:41 PM  
BarackHusseinObama: Tax revenues have remained at about 19.5% of GDP since the end of WWII, regardless of the top marginal tax rate.

And then there's that little issue.
 
2010-03-03 08:07:21 PM  
Reagan was a douche.
 
2010-03-03 08:15:37 PM  
Antimatter: BarackHusseinObama: A war between two nations is not a civil war.

It was the War For Southern Independence, ignorant farkwitmitter.

And Grant wasn't president until after the war.

Its as if some of you learned your history from the back of a cereal box.

It was a failed rebellion, by a bunch of lazy A-holes who thought that owning another human being as property was important enough to murder their countrymen over.

Frak them. The North fought to preserve the union, the south fought to own people.

Those are the facts.


You're farking retarded if that's what you call the facts. It was about state's rights. The cotton gin was making slavery obsolete. Just like you don't own a bunch of horses to get around town, machinery is always cheaper than labor. Ask any business what they're #1 expense is and they will tell you payroll. Payroll funds food and shelter for employees. When the north is ready to attack the south again to abolish me having to work for food and shelter let me know so I can join their cause...

Ironically now the most liberal states are all about states rights. California's medical marijuana is an example. I guess you're against people getting medicine to treat their ills though eh?
 
2010-03-03 08:18:33 PM  
FuturePastNow: I've never wiped my ass with a $50 before.

+1
 
2010-03-03 08:24:59 PM  
defects: Antimatter: BarackHusseinObama: A war between two nations is not a civil war.

It was the War For Southern Independence, ignorant farkwitmitter.

And Grant wasn't president until after the war.

Its as if some of you learned your history from the back of a cereal box.

It was a failed rebellion, by a bunch of lazy A-holes who thought that owning another human being as property was important enough to murder their countrymen over.

Frak them. The North fought to preserve the union, the south fought to own people.

Those are the facts.

You're farking retarded if that's what you call the facts. It was about state's rights. The cotton gin was making slavery obsolete. Just like you don't own a bunch of horses to get around town, machinery is always cheaper than labor. Ask any business what they're #1 expense is and they will tell you payroll. Payroll funds food and shelter for employees. When the north is ready to attack the south again to abolish me having to work for food and shelter let me know so I can join their cause...

Ironically now the most liberal states are all about states rights. California's medical marijuana is an example. I guess you're against people getting medicine to treat their ills though eh?


The Civil War was over a lot of things, however, the central cause was based around slavery. The tipping point was the issue of new states admitted to the Union as free states. It was about balance of power, between free and slave states, but it boiled down to slavery.
 
2010-03-03 08:27:27 PM  
dudemanbro: Reagan was an asshole and his wife gave blowjobs to everyone in Hollywood.

Cool story bro!
 
2010-03-03 08:32:07 PM  
DamnYankees: Reagan Dime, anyone?

Well,...................
 
2010-03-03 08:35:20 PM  
For those who shall forever remain off my lawn, Ronnie was Gubner way back when, and truly fooked the entire state up. Closed most of the mental institutions and released them into the streets, creating one of the largest, homeless, deranged, populations in the world.
He can truly suck my penis forever more
/Penis
//Penis
Anyone who thinks that this man was anything but a addled old man clinging on to some sort of memory of Hollywood the entire time he was in office really needs to wake the fook up and smell the crack.
 
2010-03-03 08:45:56 PM  
JohnBigBootay:
Bullshiat. I'm 45. I voted for Reagan first term


You voted when you were 15? Or did you mean the second term?

netcentric: Grant was only one of a large number of Union Generals who helped win the war. His leadership was good, but many other Union generals performed as well.

Give me Sheridan. That man rocked.

Lebowski78:
The Civil War was over a lot of things, however, the central cause was based around slavery. The tipping point was the issue of new states admitted to the Union as free states. It was about balance of power, between free and slave states, but it boiled down to slavery.


Bush said we went into Iraq for WMD. Not for Al Qaeda. Not to punish 9/11. WMD. WMDWMDWMDWMDWMD.

Lincoln did not say, "Let's go free the slaves!" He said "NO SECESSION! UNION! UNIONUNIONUNIONUNION!"
 
2010-03-03 08:46:08 PM  
It's only a matter of time. Hate all you want. Reagan brought down the Soviets... Won the Cold War.

/Independent
 
2010-03-03 08:58:10 PM  
Ok, although many of you have come to know me as someone as someone who can be a little bit obnoxious, I am not one who does not admit when he was wrong. There IS a $2 bill. I almost got arrested for spending at a Taco Bell about ten minutes ago. They called mall security on me, he handcuffed me & called the cops. There were about 30 people standing around, and I was the *only* one who knew the $2 bill was legit -- until the cop showed up.

He was like "WTF?"
They: "This guy just tried to buy food with this..."
Cop: "So?"
They: "It's a TWO DOLLAR bill!"
Cop: "Yeah, I can see that. What's the problem?"
They: "Well, um, it's a TWO DOLLAR bill. There's no such thing as a two dollar bill."
Cop: "What in the hell are you talking about? It's perfectly legal. It's a two dollar bill."
They: "There's no two dollar bill!"
Cop: etc...

I got a free mucho-burger qesos de fundito burrito, and one of the best laughs of my life.
 
2010-03-03 09:01:05 PM  
kronicfeld: As I said before, put Reagan on all promissory notes.

i184.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-03 09:05:18 PM  
Reagan won the cold war subby. His position was to challenge the Soviets economically, politically, militarily, and especially psychologically. Not just co-exist with the Soviets, but actually defeat them.
 
2010-03-03 09:07:44 PM  
brantgoose: So the United States is going to start putting its idiots on the money like they do in Europe?

Well, they used to do that. Now they put scientists, artists, poets, writers, etc. on a lot of their currency. You know, people like Kepler, Descartes, Copernicus, etc.


We didn't used to, either. The Founding Fathers would be appalled at the idea of a President's image on currency--that was what despot kings did, not free citizens.

Personally, I think we should go back to the old 19th Century Lady Liberty designs. Much more classy, and (I'd like to think) less controversial.
 
2010-03-03 09:19:19 PM  
Well, in all fairness, if you ignore his military accomplishments, Grant was a drunken asshole and a terrible president...not saying Reagan should take his spot, but it's not like Grant is a shining example of people we need to immortalize.
 
2010-03-03 09:19:54 PM  
Why did you people have to chase Shanester away before I could subscribe to his newsletter?
 
2010-03-03 09:20:12 PM  
Reagan made secret deals with the Ayatollah. Then he let our marines get bombed in Lebanon and did nothing about it.

He did more to embolden generations of terrorists than any President.
 
2010-03-03 09:21:10 PM  
just put the real Jesus on it and be done with it.
 
2010-03-03 09:24:38 PM  
HotWingConspiracy: I'll get on board with this under the condition that Bonzo appears on the bill with him.

NO CHANCE IN HELL.
 
2010-03-03 09:26:57 PM  
Grant: Awesome general; crappy president

How about we finally acknowledge the achievements of James K. Polk and put him on money? He expanded the country's size more than every other president except Jefferson and fulfilled his entire political agenda in one term.
 
2010-03-03 09:26:59 PM  
Okay.

This is ridiculous.

Reagan deserves a new bill.

That's right.

A NEW BILL!

The Reaganollar.

In whatever denomination you see fit, yes, even abso-freakin-lutely nuts amounts...

Reaganollar=Big money=see billion/trillion...

Reaganollar=1,000,000,000. Period.

Period.

"Reaganollar: it's good for business."

"The deficit is only five thousand Reaganollars, yo, shiate; that's small change..."
 
2010-03-03 09:30:57 PM  
country_boy: I was in the Air Force when Reagan became president. I thought he was an excellent president. Beirut aside, he did intimidate the Iranians into releasing the hostages

Secret arms deals are "intimidating"?
 
2010-03-03 09:34:14 PM  
Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

Indeed. If you look at the amazingly low casualties he took and compare it to the average for that war he was a military genius. His philosophy of "hard war" probably saved thousands, if not tens of thousands, of lives on both sides by bringing it to a close quickly (same as when the USA destroyed Hiroshima in WW2). Sun Tzu would would have been proud.
 
2010-03-03 09:35:21 PM  
You never see Reagan and God together. Coincidence? I think not.
 
2010-03-03 09:42:30 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2010-03-03 09:47:08 PM  
Elmo Jones: MiddleyMcCentrist: They can roll out the special, all-white bills in a ceremony down in Philadelphia, MS.

And I like it.


I live in order to serve the public.
 
2010-03-03 10:03:48 PM  
chechcal: Matthew Lesko for the $50



He helps people get free money from the government. That, my friend, is a good guy!


Met him during a screening of Avatar. Yes, he was wearing a very understated black and white riddler suit.
 
2010-03-03 10:05:31 PM  
vygramul: Lincoln did not say, "Let's go free the slaves!" He said "NO SECESSION! UNION! UNIONUNIONUNIONUNION!"

Do you believe that the Civil War would have happened in the absence of slavery? If you say no, then the rest of your argument doesn't really mean much. If you say yes, then you're just wrong. There was other stuff to gripe about, but there never would have been a war.
 
2010-03-03 10:08:07 PM  
Indubitably: Reagan deserves a new bill.

That's right.

A NEW BILL!

The Reaganollar.

In whatever denomination you see fit, yes, even abso-freakin-lutely nuts amounts...

Reaganollar=Big money=see billion/trillion...


Thanks to the government's accelerating debt-funded spending spree in the last 30 years, that may soon be a practical idea.
 
2010-03-03 10:08:45 PM  
stamp reagan's mug into the side of every block of socialist government cheese he gave away.

www.reagan.utexas.edu
 
2010-03-03 10:09:22 PM  
BMFPitt: vygramul: Lincoln did not say, "Let's go free the slaves!" He said "NO SECESSION! UNION! UNIONUNIONUNIONUNION!"

Do you believe that the Civil War would have happened in the absence of slavery? If you say no, then the rest of your argument doesn't really mean much. If you say yes, then you're just wrong. There was other stuff to gripe about, but there never would have been a war.


Do you think we would have invaded Iraq without 9/11? It sure as hell would have been harder to sell.
 
2010-03-03 10:13:20 PM  
shanester: WhyteRaven74: you mean more revenues? Also Bill Clinton wants a word with you.

Just look it up.
Even JFK knew that.

That's why he reduced rates. He brought in more $.

Simple ECO101.
I guess they don't teach that anymore.


What was the original rate he moved from? What was the rate he moved it to?
How is that different from the current top percentage of earners in the US?


Let me know when you're ready for ECON 201: The Laffer Curve
 
2010-03-03 10:17:47 PM  
It boils down to:

"I have an opinion!" *whine*

"Really? So do I!" *whines back*

"Got a blanky for me to cry on?"

"As soon as I finish with mine."
 
2010-03-03 10:18:10 PM  
rjkline: You never see Reagan and God together. Coincidence? I think not.

Reagan is about as far from any god as you could possibly get.
 
2010-03-03 10:19:05 PM  
My favorite counterpart to "the War of Northern Aggression" is to call it "the War of Southern Arrogance."

/Southerner
//I dig Sherman
 
2010-03-03 10:29:20 PM  
prekrasno: /hot

Billy Jeff was a lot of things. Queer sure as shiat wasn't one of them.

Bakeroo: My favorite counterpart to "the War of Northern Aggression" is to call it "the War of Southern Arrogance."

/Southerner
//I dig Sherman


Same. Sherman GOT IT at a time when buying into the bullshiat was way in vogue (also known as the Romantic Period). Had he been around in 1914, he'd have marched his ass into every European court, and screamed at every emperor and king, "DON'T YOU MOTHERFARKERS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING? YOU'RE A BUNCH OF GODDAMN MORONS!"

I promise you, every admiral in the Pacific (along with every other high military official, both sides) in WWII was studying the hell out of Sherman. Southerners were just as intransigent as the Japanese were.
 
2010-03-03 10:32:01 PM  
Put him on a new $200 bill and then get rid of the penny. Inflation sucks.
 
2010-03-03 10:32:47 PM  
One easy way to tell a liberal from a conservative in Cincinnati...

We have a highway here (gag me) that is called Ronald Reagan Cross County Highway. It's not bad enough that Cincinnati is just shy of being a rust belt town because of Reagan, but no, we have to have a highway named after his "tomato is a vegetable" zombie ass.

Anyhow, some people refuse to invoke the name of Ronnie even when giving someone directions to a highway. So people who disliked him call it Cross County Highway - and the rich white oppressors - including the local media - call it Ronald Reagan Highway.

Conservatives around these parts always try to act like they don't know what it means when you say "Cross County Highway" to try and get people to say, "You know, Ronald Reagan Highway" which technically is the official name but god, what a stupid thing to name a stretch of road.

So the dead ex-president has a highway named after him in Ohio and several high schools everywhere else so please, for the love of all that's still decent in this country, let's not even consider putting this greedy, idiotic, homophobic, racist, classist asshole's visage on any of our money.

And may the person who suggested it get super pesticide resistant bed bugs and a paper cut.
 
2010-03-03 10:32:47 PM  
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: prekrasno: /hot

Billy Jeff was a lot of things. Queer sure as shiat wasn't one of them.

Bakeroo: My favorite counterpart to "the War of Northern Aggression" is to call it "the War of Southern Arrogance."

/Southerner
//I dig Sherman

Same. Sherman GOT IT at a time when buying into the bullshiat was way in vogue (also known as the Romantic Period). Had he been around in 1914, he'd have marched his ass into every European court, and screamed at every emperor and king, "DON'T YOU MOTHERFARKERS KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING? YOU'RE A BUNCH OF GODDAMN MORONS!"

I promise you, every admiral in the Pacific (along with every other high military official, both sides) in WWII was studying the hell out of Sherman. Southerners were just as intransigent as the Japanese were.


Bam.
 
2010-03-03 10:34:33 PM  
Hermione_Granger: One easy way to tell a liberal from a conservative in Cincinnati...

We have a highway here (gag me) that is called Ronald Reagan Cross County Highway. It's not bad enough that Cincinnati is just shy of being a rust belt town because of Reagan, but no, we have to have a highway named after his "tomato is a vegetable" zombie ass.

Anyhow, some people refuse to invoke the name of Ronnie even when giving someone directions to a highway. So people who disliked him call it Cross County Highway - and the rich white oppressors - including the local media - call it Ronald Reagan Highway.

Conservatives around these parts always try to act like they don't know what it means when you say "Cross County Highway" to try and get people to say, "You know, Ronald Reagan Highway" which technically is the official name but god, what a stupid thing to name a stretch of road.

So the dead ex-president has a highway named after him in Ohio and several high schools everywhere else so please, for the love of all that's still decent in this country, let's not even consider putting this greedy, idiotic, homophobic, racist, classist asshole's visage on any of our money.

And may the person who suggested it get super pesticide resistant bed bugs and a paper cut.


Bam.
 
2010-03-03 10:38:03 PM  
I_C_Weener: I think we need to expand it to pop icon figures. Can you imagine paying for a McDonald's Cheeseburger with a Ronald McDonald ($1) and a Paula Abdul ($5)?

I'll geek out and suggest Star Trek Money:

$1.00 Uhura
$5.00 Chekov & Sulu
$10.00 Scotty
$20.00 McCoy
$50.00 Spock
$100.00 Kirk
$500.00 Admiral Komack
 
2010-03-03 10:39:33 PM  
gilgamesh23: browntimmy: StopArrestingMe deserves a lot more credit. It's really the only post worth reading.

Thanks for the heads up. That thing is a work of art.


Definitely one of my fave things about Fark.
 
2010-03-03 10:43:00 PM  
RocketRay: gilgamesh23: browntimmy: StopArrestingMe deserves a lot more credit. It's really the only post worth reading.

Thanks for the heads up. That thing is a work of art.

Definitely one of my fave things about Fark.


Bam.

Meta-commentary is supreme, no?

Ah, feels large, no?

;)
 
2010-03-03 10:43:11 PM  
RocketRay: Definitely one of my fave things about Fark.

tl:dr

/amidoinitright?
 
2010-03-03 10:43:47 PM  
vygramul: Do you think we would have invaded Iraq without 9/11? It sure as hell would have been harder to sell.

If Saddam hadn't attacked us on 9/11 I'm sure they still would have found a way to spin things in order to support the invasion.
 
2010-03-03 10:46:56 PM  
halfof33: RocketRay: Definitely one of my fave things about Fark.

tl:dr

/amidoinitright?


I think so, but nut sure...

Oh, will I fit in?

My attention span doesn't read...

Read that?

:)
 
fdr
2010-03-03 10:52:13 PM  
The last great Republican President was Teddy Roosevelt, a Liberal.

RR deserves to be on money as much as Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Nixon, or either Bush.
 
2010-03-03 11:07:41 PM  
i37.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-03 11:19:22 PM  
metalliska 2010-03-03 10:13:20 PM
shanester: WhyteRaven74: you mean more revenues? Also Bill Clinton wants a word with you.

Just look it up.
Even JFK knew that.

That's why he reduced rates. He brought in more $.

Simple ECO101.
I guess they don't teach that anymore.

What was the original rate he moved from? What was the rate he moved it to?
How is that different from the current top percentage of earners in the US?


Let me know when you're ready for ECON 201: The Laffer Curve


You mean Voodoo economics. If any Econ 101 teaches the Laffer Curve, its as a cautionary tale. Reagan's pipe dream went bust almost immediately. America saw NONE of the benefits of the wealthiest Americans' 60% tax cut touted by Reagan. That's why he had to raid the SSI lockbox & raise my taxes, cut education, turn loose thousands of dangerous lunatics and declare ketchup a vegetable.
Though I suppose I should be glad that he didn't sell weapons to drug gangs to finance any boneheaded foreign adventures.
Oh yeah, didn't the Air America cocaine ring of the CIA's flood the streets of America with (relatively)cheap cocaine and usher in the crack epidemic of the 80's? Thanks, Ollie!
What a guy!
 
2010-03-03 11:21:15 PM  
Since the Soviet Union didn't collapse until the third year of Bush the firsts presidency, shouldn't he get the credit that republicans keep trying to give to St Ronny the braindead?
 
2010-03-03 11:21:52 PM  
As much as I hate Reagan, I'd sure love to see that jackhole Grant removed. There's no such thing as the "Civil War". Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression. He's one of freedom's greatest traitors, and I'd be happy to see him stop being honored. Even if it means honoring a piece of scum like Reagan instead. Next, get rid of Lincoln's ugly mug. I dunno why they don't just make Coolidge the face of everything. He was by far the coolest President we've ever had.
 
2010-03-03 11:22:16 PM  
TwoHead: vygramul: Do you think we would have invaded Iraq without 9/11? It sure as hell would have been harder to sell.

If Saddam hadn't attacked us on 9/11 I'm sure they still would have found a way to spin things in order to support the invasion.


Yeah that's pretty certain
 
2010-03-03 11:24:59 PM  
SwiftFox: TwoHead: vygramul: Do you think we would have invaded Iraq without 9/11? It sure as hell would have been harder to sell.

If Saddam hadn't attacked us on 9/11 I'm sure they still would have found a way to spin things in order to support the invasion.

Yeah that's pretty certain


I'm sorry - If SADDAM? What?
 
2010-03-03 11:25:05 PM  
untaken_name: I dunno why they don't just make Coolidge the face of everything. He was by far the coolest President we've ever had.


I... you...


*checks sarcasm meter*


I'm just not sure...
 
2010-03-03 11:28:48 PM  
Nabb1: Gwendolyn: I always like Sherman for Civil War Generals myself.

Yes, a man who directed his soldiers to rape women in South Carolina in retribution for starting secession is a hero, indeed.


well since your whining about it AND didnt say it twice I guess you dont like rape.
 
2010-03-03 11:33:55 PM  
i wonder if they will use the image of him in the bed with a monkey swinging around in its pajamas
 
2010-03-03 11:44:54 PM  
untaken_name: Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression. He's one of freedom's greatest traitors

pwhp_67: I'm just not sure...

Poe's Law's head just asploded.
 
2010-03-03 11:51:33 PM  
pwhp_67: untaken_name: I dunno why they don't just make Coolidge the face of everything. He was by far the coolest President we've ever had.


I... you...


*checks sarcasm meter*


I'm just not sure...


Perhaps the most famous story about Coolidge's gloomy behavior concerns the enthusiastic female dinner companion who said to him; "You must talk to me, Mr. Coolidge. I made a bet today that I could get more than two words out of you." Coolidge replied: "You lose."

Seriously, tell me that doesn't make him the coolest ever, just by itself.

Link (new window)
 
2010-03-03 11:53:21 PM  
whidbey: untaken_name: Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression. He's one of freedom's greatest traitors

pwhp_67: I'm just not sure...

Poe's Law's head just asploded.


You don't know much about the WoNA, do you? You probably think it was a war fought over slavery and that the forces of freedom won. I don't hold it against you, though. You can't help what you were taught.
 
2010-03-03 11:55:03 PM  
Andrew Jackson would cockpunch Ronny into submission. Sheeet, AJ would kick 90% of the pansies posting on this thread.
 
2010-03-03 11:57:00 PM  
I am totally for it but only if Reagan is smoking a Chesterfield and then only if the official slang for a US $50 is changed to Chesterfield as in "A table dance will cost you a Chesterfield"

fabakis.files.wordpress.com
 
2010-03-04 12:04:44 AM  
529 comments before this is posted? Jeez.
i50.tinypic.com
 
2010-03-04 12:05:48 AM  
Wittenberg Dropout: Andrew Jackson would cockpunch Ronny into submission. Sheeet, AJ would kick 90% of the pansies posting on this thread.

Cockpunch?

AJ subjugated the Natives...

I have a cockpunch for AJ...

If Ronny belongs anywhere, he belongs here. The twenty. The "Renty"...

For AJ should be relegated to the dustbin, a relic of hate, and a new memory be formed, no? Ronald Reagan? Sure, but honoring a hate of people is anti-American, dig?

Renty...

;)
 
2010-03-04 12:08:26 AM  
halfof33: I almost got arrested for spending at a Taco Bell about ten minutes ago.

This was a little funny on r.h.f like 20 years ago.

But I don't believe you or the original story, because the cop showed up and didn't arrest or beat you.
 
2010-03-04 12:13:57 AM  
Firebug: Reagan was a great president. Unless of course if you were poor, gay, black, latino or young.


Or middle-class.
 
2010-03-04 12:59:45 AM  
Wittenberg Dropout: Andrew Jackson would cockpunch Ronny into submission. Sheeet, AJ would kick 90% of the pansies posting on this thread.

Your evaluation is of Old Hick is spot on. I think he might have had more on his mind besides expansion when he went to war against the Indians. I admit in this age of enlightened ideals and social justice for everyone that Jackson is something of a novelized anachronism, it's important to remember that he was the guy that prevented the British from seizing the Mississippi and saving us all from compulsively drinking tea at 4pm.

But of course, this also could be a silly thread about some silly GOP mouthbreather in Washington and his idiotic plan to put Ronny and his contra-death squad funding face on our currency. So why not stretch the limits of hyperbole? At least Jackson fought defend this country, hell, he even had Indian troops in his army so those guys must have had no hard feelings. (j/k)

Here's an idea, no more presidents on currency, lets put the people who really make the decisions in country on our money: our corporations, or rather the ones that own all of our debt. Wouldn't that be more appropriate? Of course none of them would be American, what does it mean to be American anyway in this global economy?
 
2010-03-04 01:03:18 AM  
untaken_name: As much as I hate Reagan, I'd sure love to see that jackhole Grant removed. There's no such thing as the "Civil War". Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression.

The South deserved it. Every single rotting bit of it.

Wittenberg Dropout: Wittenberg Dropout: Andrew Jackson would cockpunch Ronny into submission. Sheeet, AJ would kick 90% of the pansies posting on this thread.

Your evaluation is of Old Hick is spot on. I think he might have had more on his mind besides expansion when he went to war against the Indians. I admit in this age of enlightened ideals and social justice for everyone that Jackson is something of a novelized anachronism, it's important to remember that he was the guy that prevented the British from seizing the Mississippi and saving us all from compulsively drinking tea at 4pm.


Lulz self-fellating wut?
 
2010-03-04 01:05:34 AM  
Whoever said "Slavery was dying out because of the cotton gin" hasn't ever cracked open a book on the subject. It actually gave it a new lease on life, by making short-staple cotton profitable to plant. Prior to it's invention, even Virginia was ready to get rid of slavery.
 
2010-03-04 01:26:41 AM  
nmrsnr: Wow, that's a lot, and I probably missed some.

Yep:

The truth is the GOP fell apart after he retired.

:)

Any others? Bueller?
 
2010-03-04 01:26:53 AM  
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: The South deserved it. Every single rotting bit of it.

Yes, that's typically what imperialist, expansionist totalitarians say about the people they subjugate. Mind elaborating? Oh, right, you don't actually have any valid points. Got it.
 
2010-03-04 01:29:25 AM  
cynicalbastard: Whoever said "Slavery was dying out because of the cotton gin" hasn't ever cracked open a book on the subject. It actually gave it a new lease on life, by making short-staple cotton profitable to plant. Prior to it's invention, even Virginia was ready to get rid of slavery.

Slavery was dying out because it wasn't actually terribly cost-effective. Free people, even getting paid a pittance, work harder than do slaves, and are far less costly to maintain, as well. We didn't actually want slaves back then, although we thought we did. What we really needed were Mexicans.
 
2010-03-04 01:31:01 AM  
untaken_name: Yes, that's typically what imperialist, expansionist totalitarians say about the people they subjugate.

untaken_name: What we really needed were Mexicans.
 
2010-03-04 01:36:09 AM  
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: untaken_name: As much as I hate Reagan, I'd sure love to see that jackhole Grant removed. There's no such thing as the "Civil War". Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression.

The South deserved it. Every single rotting bit of it.

Wittenberg Dropout: Wittenberg Dropout: Andrew Jackson would cockpunch Ronny into submission. Sheeet, AJ would kick 90% of the pansies posting on this thread.

Your evaluation is of Old Hick is spot on. I think he might have had more on his mind besides expansion when he went to war against the Indians. I admit in this age of enlightened ideals and social justice for everyone that Jackson is something of a novelized anachronism, it's important to remember that he was the guy that prevented the British from seizing the Mississippi and saving us all from compulsively drinking tea at 4pm.

Lulz self-fellating wut?


Bobby Kotick?
 
2010-03-04 01:39:14 AM  
fatassbastard: untaken_name: Yes, that's typically what imperialist, expansionist totalitarians say about the people they subjugate.

untaken_name: What we really needed were Mexicans.


I'm delighted you thought my points cogent enough to aver them.
 
2010-03-04 01:59:33 AM  
I've got a John Tyler 1$ coin in my pocket right now - 10th President; apparently a one-termer.
 
2010-03-04 02:16:02 AM  
Hector Remarkable 2010-03-04 01:59:33 AM

I've got a John Tyler 1$ coin in my pocket right now - 10th President; apparently a one-termer.

Another one termer, Obama, wants his name on ALL your change...
 
2010-03-04 02:38:18 AM  
Why not, Andy Jackson's on the 20$ bill and he ethnically cleansed the country of Indians and started an unprovoked invasion of Spanish-held Florida...
 
2010-03-04 03:12:39 AM  
So many beautiful things about the USA. Why do we have to fill our money with old dead politicians. Kinda sick actually.
 
2010-03-04 03:32:15 AM  
The Deep South was actually getting along pretty well in the initial secession phase. A lot of folks up north were quite willing to let 'em go.
Then, in a moment of spectacular strategic genius matched only by Napoleon's saying "Geez, guys, the Russian's can't be that tough" Ol'Jeff decided that he just had to open fire on a Federal fort. With U.S. Army troops. Flying the U.S. flag. Even when he'd been told straight-out that they'd have to surrender peacefully in a week because their rations were- well, that was just it. They weren't getting any more.
Davis, somehow on his lonesome, managed to do what every single abolition preacher combined couldn't do- get the Northern states really pissed off at the South.
 
fdr
2010-03-04 04:33:33 AM  
untaken_name: As much as I hate Reagan, I'd sure love to see that jackhole Grant removed. There's no such thing as the "Civil War". Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression. He's one of freedom's greatest traitors, and I'd be happy to see him stop being honored. Even if it means honoring a piece of scum like Reagan instead. Next, get rid of Lincoln's ugly mug. I dunno why they don't just make Coolidge the face of everything. He was by far the coolest President we've ever had.

So you would replace Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, and Franklin with Coolidge. What were some of Coolidge's major accomplishments?
 
2010-03-04 05:24:01 AM  
I only visit for SAM posts.
 
2010-03-04 06:11:17 AM  
Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.

The more you know. (new window)


I went to high school in his home town of Brewer. I don't think there was ever anything in the curriculum about him (though I took regular US History rather than AP). Shameful.
 
2010-03-04 06:54:19 AM  
vygramul: Do you think we would have invaded Iraq without 9/11? It sure as hell would have been harder to sell.

I'm sure they would have come up with something.
 
2010-03-04 07:05:29 AM  
untaken_name: Yes, that's typically what imperialist, expansionist totalitarians say about the people they subjugate. Mind elaborating? Oh, right, you don't actually have any valid points. Got it.

I don't have to elaborate, but I will. The Old South was a corrupt, small-minded, authoritarian, backwards and feudal Ponzi scheme that fed on human misery to enrich a small cabal of planters. There was nothing honorable about it, unless you think it's honorable to conceive of yourself as "better" than other human beings. Of course, you likely wouldn't have been in the planter class in those days, so your life would have been oppressive toil to no personal end, and the only thing you'd have been better than was the dirt you were tilling (and in the eyes of many, not even that).

The Old South was imperialist and expansionist (expanding slavery was a political move, designed to keep control of Congress in Southern hands). The Old South was totalitarian (if you got out of line and acted above your class, you'd be hanging from a tree in no time). It deserved to die a horrible death. It's just a shame that like usual, it was the poor folks who had to bear the brunt of it.
 
2010-03-04 07:39:44 AM  
Pujols: A Civil War/Reagan thread! I love it!

My favorite Civil War general:

Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain

College professor, saved the Union's ass (actually left flank) at Gettysburg, received the surrendering Confederates at Appomatox (with class, I might add) and was a governor of Maine.



Yeah, but he had gravity on his side.
 
2010-03-04 08:30:03 AM  
I'd much rather see him replace Benjamin Franklin on the $100. Nothing against ol' Ben; I'm a fan. But he wasn't a President of the United States, and I'm also a fan of consistency.
 
2010-03-04 09:16:59 AM  
Evil Conservative: I'd much rather see him replace Benjamin Franklin on the $100. Nothing against ol' Ben; I'm a fan. But he wasn't a President of the United States, and I'm also a fan of consistency.

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2010-03-04 09:50:39 AM  
Evil Conservative: I'd much rather see him replace Benjamin Franklin on the $100. Nothing against ol' Ben; I'm a fan. But he wasn't a President of the United States, and I'm also a fan of consistency.

So I guess you don't like Hamilton on the $10, either?
 
2010-03-04 10:11:03 AM  
I love that we have nothing better to do than debate who should be on a bill. . .We have wars, a deficit, economy tanking, a health care fiasco, Iran, but let's start tackling steroids in sports, redesigns of currency to include a new president. Guess bang out the easy stuff before lunch, then tackle world hunger, economy etc.
 
2010-03-04 10:14:33 AM  
LariSpitler: I love that we have nothing better to do than debate who should be on a bill. . .We have wars, a deficit, economy tanking, a health care fiasco, Iran, but let's start tackling steroids in sports, redesigns of currency to include a new president. Guess bang out the easy stuff before lunch, then tackle world hunger, economy etc.

So what, exactly, are you doing to fix any of the serious problems you mentioned? What have you done today to affect those problems? Thanks for participating, now...STFU & GBTW.

Jesus H Christ Playing a Trombone in a Chicken Basket.
 
2010-03-04 10:18:55 AM  
Libs are just jealous that there is no such thing as a great liberal president.

Raegan would kick all of your asses. Pussies.
 
2010-03-04 10:58:54 AM  
Nabb1: sweetmelissa31: I'm kind of bitter about the Civil War- I see no reason why the South should be part of the Union.

Birthplace of jazz, delta blues, rock 'n' roll, some of America's most heralded writers, better food, warmer weather, more attractive women per capita than up north... Yeah, there's a lot to be bitter about.


Not to mention - if it wasn't for racist rednecks there wouldn't be a Democrat party these days but people seem to appreciate a more revisionist history.
 
2010-03-04 11:27:43 AM  
untaken_name: There's no such thing as the "Civil War". Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression.


How can you call it "Northern Aggression" when it was the South that fired on a US Military fort?

As I recall, that is the act that actually started the war. An act of Southern aggression...
 
2010-03-04 11:37:48 AM  
pwhp_67: untaken_name: There's no such thing as the "Civil War". Grant won the imperialist, expansionist War of Northern Aggression.


How can you call it "Northern Aggression" when it was the South that fired on a US Military fort?

As I recall, that is the act that actually started the war. An act of Southern aggression...


All those patriots, cheering on the dissolution of the country.

I still can understand that one.
 
fdr
2010-03-04 12:11:54 PM  
Thunderpipes: Libs are just jealous that there is no such thing as a great liberal president.

Raegan would kick all of your asses. Pussies.


Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Truman were great liberal presidents.

The following presidents were conservatives and every one a failure - Harding, Coolidge, Hoover, Nixon, Ford and both either Bushs.

Refer to Link (new window)

No one named Raegan was ever president. It's a girls name.
 
2010-03-04 12:33:44 PM  
If this happens, I will not use a $50 bill again.

Unless I have to.
 
2010-03-04 12:45:27 PM  
As a compromise perhaps we could, instead of putting Ronnie on the fifty, we could talk to the Charmin people about a special commemorative edition of their toliet paper. That would be good. I could get behind that.
 
2010-03-04 12:50:19 PM  
Could somebody please explain to me why I should care that somebody wants to replace one Republican with another on a piece of currency that hardly anybody uses? They were both corrupt kleptocrats with a penchant for selling out our country for corporate interests, an unwillingness to work with the legislature, doling out favors to friends, and blindly defending them whenever they got in trouble. Whether you're talking about Ollie North or Orville Babcock, it doesn't really matter - you're still talking about traitors to our nation that were defended from the highest office in the United States.

They both deserve to rot in hell.
 
2010-03-04 02:57:40 PM  
fdr: Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Truman were great liberal presidents.

Theodore Roosevelt: War monger, megalomaniac. Caused financial havoc in several sectors of the economy, harming consumers and laborers alike. Reclamation projects and their legacy caused more harm to the environment than any good done by his conservationism.

Wilson: Implemented the oppressive income tax, the disastrous Federal Reserve system, needlessly entered the U.S. into WWI.

FDR: Trashed the economy at every turn and prevented its recovery from the Fed-created Great Depression, provoked Japan into attacking the U.S., has most of the responsibility for expanding the federal government into the massive, intrusive monster it is today.

Truman: Nuked tens of thousands of innocent women, children, and elderly. Twice. And it was not necessary.
 
2010-03-04 03:09:56 PM  
geniusiknowit: Theodore Roosevelt: War monger, megalomaniac. Caused financial havoc in several sectors of the economy, harming consumers and laborers alike. Reclamation projects and their legacy caused more harm to the environment than any good done by his conservationism.

Wilson: Implemented the oppressive income tax, the disastrous Federal Reserve system, needlessly entered the U.S. into WWI.

FDR: Trashed the economy at every turn and prevented its recovery from the Fed-created Great Depression, provoked Japan into attacking the U.S., has most of the responsibility for expanding the federal government into the massive, intrusive monster it is today.

Truman: Nuked tens of thousands of innocent women, children, and elderly. Twice. And it was not necessary.


And how exactly would you have handled these situations differently? Some details would be nice, assuming that is within the realm of what you are capable of.
 
2010-03-04 03:25:14 PM  
sweetmelissa31: Not at the


Wow, your public school leftist history teachers really failed you. The so-called "border states" (Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, and Kansas) - as well as the Indian Territory - all had slaves during the Civil War. Not so much West Virginia, as that was one of things that historically separated the folks in that part of Virginia from those in the rest of the pre-war state, but yes, there were slaves there. More so in the other border states. You couldn't swing a dead cat in Maryland without hitting some slaves.

The war was not started over the abolition of slavery; it was about states rebelling against the federal government. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation when the general opinion in the north had begun to turn against the war and the anti-slavery folks had grown in political power. It was exceptionally good psy-op, as word of it quickly spread throughout the south and it motivated slaves to run away en masse, thereby depriving the Confederacy of their labour and food production.
 
2010-03-04 03:28:19 PM  
sweetmelissa31: downstairs:
You do realize the North had slaves too?

Not at the time of the Civil War.


Sorry, my post was supposed to have included the quote above. Ooops.

Here it is again:

Wow, your public school leftist history teachers really failed you. The so-called "border states" (Maryland, West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri, and Kansas) - as well as the Indian Territory - all had slaves during the Civil War. Not so much West Virginia, as that was one of things that historically separated the folks in that part of Virginia from those in the rest of the pre-war state, but yes, there were slaves there. More so in the other border states. You couldn't swing a dead cat in Maryland without hitting some slaves.

The war was not started over the abolition of slavery; it was about states rebelling against the federal government. Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation when the general opinion in the north had begun to turn against the war and the anti-slavery folks had grown in political power. It was exceptionally good psy-op, as word of it quickly spread throughout the south and it motivated slaves to run away en masse, thereby depriving the Confederacy of their labour and food production.
 
2010-03-04 03:31:54 PM  
Why don't they just wait six months and use his picture on the $1,000,000,000,000 bills they will be printing?
 
2010-03-04 03:37:40 PM  
mod3072: Why don't they just wait six months and use his picture on the $1,000,000,000,000 bills they will be printing?

i50.tinypic.com
Approves.
 
fdr
2010-03-04 04:11:09 PM  
geniusiknowit: fdr: Theodore Roosevelt, Wilson, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Truman were great liberal presidents.

Theodore Roosevelt: War monger, megalomaniac. Caused financial havoc in several sectors of the economy, harming consumers and laborers alike. Reclamation projects and their legacy caused more harm to the environment than any good done by his conservationism.

Wilson: Implemented the oppressive income tax, the disastrous Federal Reserve system, needlessly entered the U.S. into WWI.

FDR: Trashed the economy at every turn and prevented its recovery from the Fed-created Great Depression, provoked Japan into attacking the U.S., has most of the responsibility for expanding the federal government into the massive, intrusive monster it is today.

Truman: Nuked tens of thousands of innocent women, children, and eld