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2010-03-03 11:21:06 AM
DingleberryMoose: Some of the Fundies are. Most of us aren't. The only thing you missed is the absolute unwillingness to rely on the resources of others if it can be avoided. We don't mind giving charity, we hate receiving it, and don't want the giving to be forced. Hating the forced giving (taxes for welfare) is often confused with not caring about other people. We want to give, we just want to give the way we want to.

That's sort of wrapped up within property rights. Texans see receiving charity as violating someone else's property rights, so it's immoral. "Putting yourself" (remember self-ownership) in a situation where you need to receive charity is tacitly demanding it, in this mindset.

I used to think this way about welfare. I was able to change this mindset when I realized that welfare was less about forced charity, and more about paying for a more stable society. That's something this Houston native could understand, and get behind.
 
2010-03-03 11:22:52 AM
kliq: I lived in west Texas for a year and a half.

Yeah...there's not really anything out there, but I like the area. I like NM, too. I have relatives in Carlsbad and it's one of my favorite places outside of Texas.

Linux_Yes: i'm still waiting for Perry to secede from the Union.

And I'm still waiting for you to eat a bucket of your own shiat and die. Too bad you're an obligate coprophage and it won't have any effect on you.
 
2010-03-03 11:24:31 AM
7of7: Texas is a shiatty state full of idiots, nobody cares.

I wish I lived in a Socialist Paradise like Michigan. Then I could go on welfare and rob Detroit liquor stores like the rest of the Illuminati that lives there.
 
2010-03-03 11:26:15 AM
wejash: People are here to say they really don't like Perry or his policies and they're glad he won and they voted for him. Texas logic.

Got it.

One Texas tag please, Drew.


Don't blame me - I voted for Farouk.
 
2010-03-03 11:26:28 AM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: That's sort of wrapped up within property rights. Texans see receiving charity as violating someone else's property rights, so it's immoral. "Putting yourself" (remember self-ownership) in a situation where you need to receive charity is tacitly demanding it, in this mindset.

I used to think this way about welfare. I was able to change this mindset when I realized that welfare was less about forced charity, and more about paying for a more stable society. That's something this Houston native could understand, and get behind.


Most of the services I hook people into are not government based. They are, therefore, more effective, more efficient, and have less overhead waste, delivering more bang for the buck. I agree there's a place for governmental assistance, I just think the private sector does it better.
 
2010-03-03 11:26:29 AM
kliq: PacManDreaming: kliq: If you love a place with no decent libraries, public transportation, culture, or infrastructure, you'll love Texas.

You know how I know you've never been to Texas?

I lived in west Texas for a year and a half.


You're doing it wrong.

/try austin then get back to me
//lived both places
 
2010-03-03 11:28:37 AM
Inquisitive Inquisitor: Within the urban areas such as Dallas, Houston and Austin that's essentially correct. There are some social conservatives but they're far outnumbered by moderate conservatives and liberals. Outside of the major cities you'll find far too many social conservatives. Small towns in east Texas are similar to towns in Arkansas, Mississippi and other deep south states in their "social values". You have to actively search to find anyone who's not white and expect to be ostracized if you don't go to church.

Which is also why people in the rest of the state make fun of East Texas. Most of us don't even consider it part of the state.
 
2010-03-03 11:29:35 AM
PacManDreaming: kliq: I lived in west Texas for a year and a half.

Yeah...there's not really anything out there, but I like the area. I like NM, too. I have relatives in Carlsbad and it's one of my favorite places outside of Texas.


Carlsbad was one of the few highlights of my stay there. Just awesome.
 
2010-03-03 11:29:52 AM
PacManDreaming: Linux


hey, dude. i lived in houston for 10+ years, so i have a right to care where texas politics goes.

so there! ( i told him)
 
2010-03-03 11:33:23 AM
Indiana's Senator Primary - on the Republican side - are Teabaggers and Career Politicians.

/State law allows for 5 candidates per Party to run
 
2010-03-03 11:55:13 AM
DingleberryMoose: Most of the services I hook people into are not government based. They are, therefore, more effective, more efficient, and have less overhead waste, delivering more bang for the buck. I agree there's a place for governmental assistance, I just think the private sector does it better.

It's a scale issue, really. Private charity does what it does very well, and very effectively. Unfortunately, it absolutely cannot provide enough assistance to ensure the demanded level of social stability. The state is the only organization with the span and scope of operations to enact this, which is why we have a public police force, rather than a private one. Welfare, in my view, is the proactive form of policing, while private charity is the proactive form of private security (with traditional police and security being the reactive forms).
 
2010-03-03 11:57:03 AM
kliq Quote 2010-03-03 11:06:56 AM
Having spent some time in the southwest, I can say for a fact that I really dislike Texas. If you love a place with no decent libraries, public transportation, culture, or infrastructure, you'll love Texas.

/but the taxes are low derf derf


Evidently none of it was spent in Ft. Worth. Ever heard of the Kimbell?
You Texas haters can leave anytime you like - take I30 east.

I voted for Kay Bailey. Will probably vote for White in the general election. Voted for Kinky when he ran for gov a few years ago.

Texas is a beautiful place, with beautiful people & attitudes to match.
 
2010-03-03 12:07:01 PM
Is he going to put on a fat suit with a wig and play brassy, black lady?
 
2010-03-03 12:19:27 PM
I don't know anyone that actually likes Perry. Then again, I don't hang out with senior citizens, so maybe that's a factor. I voted for Shami; he has some neat ideas, and actually wants to reform the farked up justice system in this state. Too bad nobody gives a shiat about that.
 
2010-03-03 12:29:57 PM
CaesarSneezy: I don't know anyone that actually likes Perry.

I do. I also know a few Medina supporters.
 
2010-03-03 12:32:33 PM
there their theyre: tnpir: I am not surprised, but I am very disappointed. Rick Perry is a lying, corrupt, incompetent piece of creationist-loving SHIAT who has been a spectacular embarassment to this state for the last 10 years. And barring a miracle, the inbred nimrod voters of this state are going to send this asshole back for another four years.

I hate it here. I really, really hate it here.

Wow, bitter much? Why do you hate Texas so much?

All I know is I am voting for White. But I can say if I voted in the Republican primary I would have voted for Perry over KBH or the whackadoodle Medina.


Yes, I *AM* bitter. I am sick and goddamn tired of the religious fundamentalists running roughshod over this state. I am sick and goddamn tired of EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE being an ultra-right wing douche. And I am sick and goddamn tired of good people like Bill White getting thrown to the wolves so lowlifes like Rick Perry can continue to ruin everything he touches.

And I am sick and goddamn tired of this state being the laughingstock of the lower 48 with its retarded governor talking "secession" and "10th Amendment" and SBOE full of creationists (at least this is starting to change with that scumbag McLeroy losing) and politicians squealing how they're the most "CONSERVATIVE" Republican and an electorate that screams about states rights and the Constitution while have little to no damn clue what they're talking about.

I want to love this state. I've lived here almost 11 years. I left my beloved Colorado to come to Texas to start a new life. But the number of retards running the show in Texas has just about pushed me over the edge. Perry COULD have been voted out four years ago, but Kinky Friedman had to go and fark that all up just to amuse himself.

Thank you. I'm going to switch to decaf for the rest of the day.
 
2010-03-03 12:36:52 PM
tnpir: there their theyre: tnpir: I am not surprised, but I am very disappointed. Rick Perry is a lying, corrupt, incompetent piece of creationist-loving SHIAT who has been a spectacular embarassment to this state for the last 10 years. And barring a miracle, the inbred nimrod voters of this state are going to send this asshole back for another four years.

I hate it here. I really, really hate it here.

Wow, bitter much? Why do you hate Texas so much?

All I know is I am voting for White. But I can say if I voted in the Republican primary I would have voted for Perry over KBH or the whackadoodle Medina.

Yes, I *AM* bitter. I am sick and goddamn tired of the religious fundamentalists running roughshod over this state. I am sick and goddamn tired of EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN CANDIDATE being an ultra-right wing douche. And I am sick and goddamn tired of good people like Bill White getting thrown to the wolves so lowlifes like Rick Perry can continue to ruin everything he touches.

And I am sick and goddamn tired of this state being the laughingstock of the lower 48 with its retarded governor talking "secession" and "10th Amendment" and SBOE full of creationists (at least this is starting to change with that scumbag McLeroy losing) and politicians squealing how they're the most "CONSERVATIVE" Republican and an electorate that screams about states rights and the Constitution while have little to no damn clue what they're talking about.

I want to love this state. I've lived here almost 11 years. I left my beloved Colorado to come to Texas to start a new life. But the number of retards running the show in Texas has just about pushed me over the edge. Perry COULD have been voted out four years ago, but Kinky Friedman had to go and fark that all up just to amuse himself.

Thank you. I'm going to switch to decaf for the rest of the day.


If you haven't noticed, Bill White is running against Perry unopposed. He hasn't lost just yet.
 
2010-03-03 01:08:57 PM
Anodos

7of7: Texas is a shiatty state full of idiots, nobody cares.

Yet somehow has economically managed not to suck ass while Arizona, California, and other beloved-of-coastie/snotty-Liberal states are circling the drain.


Texas has a $10 billion deficit. Sounds like sucking ass to me.
 
2010-03-03 01:12:51 PM
Tyrone Slothrop: Texas has a $10 billion deficit.

Yeah...um...about that.
 
2010-03-03 01:13:48 PM
Dancin_In_Anson

7of7: Texas is a shiatty state full of idiots, nobody cares.

Where did you visit to come to this conclusion?


He probably came to that conclusion from reading your posts.
 
2010-03-03 01:16:19 PM
Dancin_In_Anson

Tyrone Slothrop: Texas has a $10 billion deficit.

Yeah...um...about that.


So state agencies aren't having to cut their budgets by 5-10% in order to close the budget gap? Better let them know about it.
 
2010-03-03 01:40:50 PM
DingleberryMoose: Dancin_In_Anson: Of course there were ruts worn into 114 from Levelland to Opedyke West within a year.

There are three universal truths in religion. Jews do not recognize Jesus as the Messiah. Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the head of the church. Baptists do not recognize each other at the liquor store.


Why should you always take at least two Baptist friends with you when you go fishing?

If you only take one, they'll drink all your beer.
 
2010-03-03 01:41:42 PM
bartink: SchlingFocker: I think White's got a good shot of winning the election.

You're hallucinating.


White's got the best shot of any democrat the last few elections.
My wife's conservative baptist family are sick of Perry and they think White did a decent job in Houston (which he did-- Ike was managed about as well as you could ask for). They're voting for White.
 
2010-03-03 01:49:07 PM
Would rather havekay than any of them, but even white more than perry. Hell I maybe would have even enjoyed Shami more than perry, he can't get into as much trouble as he thinks.

/farkin hates perry
 
2010-03-03 01:53:01 PM
Tyrone Slothrop: He probably came to that conclusion from reading your posts.

oooooohhhhhh buuuuuuuuurnnnnnnn.

Tyrone Slothrop: So state agencies aren't having to cut their budgets by 5-10% in order to close the budget gap?

Didn't read the article didja?
 
2010-03-03 02:12:32 PM
hypocaffeinemia: bartink: SchlingFocker: I think White's got a good shot of winning the election.

You're hallucinating.

White's got the best shot of any democrat the last few elections.
My wife's conservative baptist family are sick of Perry and they think White did a decent job in Houston (which he did-- Ike was managed about as well as you could ask for). They're voting for White.


It will be an uphill battle for White, but he's got a better chance than any Democrat in a long time. If he can get a big turnout in the cities and poach some Hutchison supporters, it's possible.
 
2010-03-03 02:48:43 PM
Renart: If he can get a big turnout in the cities and poach some Hutchison supporters, it's possible.

This is my take on it.

Had Hutchison won, White wouldn't have stood a chance. But, a lot of Hutchison voters were just sick of Perry. They're not going to give their vote to Perry in election.

Now, whether this means they'll vote for White or just sit it out is anyone's guess.
 
2010-03-03 02:54:49 PM
hypocaffeinemia: bartink: SchlingFocker: I think White's got a good shot of winning the election.

You're hallucinating.

White's got the best shot of any democrat the last few elections.
My wife's conservative baptist family are sick of Perry and they think White did a decent job in Houston (which he did-- Ike was managed about as well as you could ask for). They're voting for White.


I plan on voting for White, but if I hear hunker down one more gaht-damn time.... >:-|
 
2010-03-03 03:00:31 PM
I thought the Lt. Governor has all the real power in Texas any way and the governor is just kind of a figurehead?
 
2010-03-03 03:03:59 PM
EwoksSuck: thought the Lt. Governor has all the real power in Texas any way and the governor is just kind of a figurehead?

Legislatively yes. However, influentially the Governor has a metric shiatton of power.
 
2010-03-03 03:08:01 PM
NEDM: If you haven't noticed, Bill White is running against Perry unopposed. He hasn't lost just yet.

Oh, I know that. But the chances of him winning are somewhere between slim and none. At best he's looking at 58-42. And believe me, I hope I'm wrong. Bill White is a good man and would be a great governor the entire state can look to, both Democrat and Republican. If he actually pulled this off, my faith in the average Texan might actually be restored.

And I freely admit that I hate Rick Perry with the fire of a thousand suns, so I tend to get a little red-faced and biased when talking about him. I didn't feel this strongly about George W. Bush, and I couldn't stand George W. Bush.
 
2010-03-03 03:12:23 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Tyrone Slothrop: Texas has a $10 billion deficit.

Yeah...um...about that.


An article from exactly ONE YEAR AGO is definitely relevant to the situation today.
 
2010-03-03 09:02:58 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: Maybe. There is no way that I will vote for Perry. I will have to look at what White has to say before I decide whether to vote for him.

And I'm not alone.


This is NOT the first Republican/Conservative I've heard say this. Not by a long shot. And that's why I think White has a chance. People are just sick and tired of Rick Farking Perry. All of them.

The only trouble is that nearly all of those I've heard say this either live in a major metropolitan area or in the suburbs of one. And aside from Presidential election years, and despite the fact that Texas has more megacities than any other state, the rural vote still largely rules Texas politics.

And that's why we can't have nice things.
 
2010-03-03 09:08:56 PM
Dancin_In_Anson: I do. I also know a few Medina supporters.

The only people I know who actually would vote FOR Rick Perry instead of against another candidate are so ideologically motivated that they're basically politically paralyzed. It's not just that they're "informed" entirely by partisan talking points and chain emails, it's that they can't even see through these talking points and chain emails to the manipulative motivation behind them.

It's like the difference between those who just enjoy watching pro wrestling and those who enjoy watching it because they actually think it's real.
 
2010-03-03 11:00:05 PM
Prospero424:
It's like the difference between those who just enjoy watching pro wrestling and those who enjoy watching it because they actually think it's real.


Well said.
 
2010-03-04 01:04:39 AM
Prospero424: The only trouble is that nearly all of those I've heard say this either live in a major metropolitan area or in the suburbs of one. And aside from Presidential election years, and despite the fact that Texas has more megacities than any other state, the rural vote still largely rules Texas politics.

In the Legislature, because of districting. Statewide elections, the suburbs rule.

White will win this one going away.
 
2010-03-04 04:04:51 AM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: White will win this one going away.

I sure hope you're right. Because as far as I'm concerned, the Bush era of government won't really be over here until Perry is gone.

It's just that right-wing activists are so much more motivated right now, even if I think it's for mostly the wrong reasons. If that doesn't change before election time, Perry's usual sort of attack politics stands a good chance of whipping up the whargarble to the point that the election becomes basically a Fox News segment in the local and state media. It'll be incredibly difficult for White to get through that smokescreen and define his own candidacy.

I've just seen it happen too many times now not to be pessimistic.
 
2010-03-04 04:10:54 AM
Bottom line:

White needs to run a really good campaign.
 
2010-03-04 04:52:09 AM
Prospero424: Bottom line:

White needs to run a really good campaign.


Amen. I'm getting my stickers and yard signs now.
 
2010-03-04 08:00:06 AM
Prospero424: I've just seen it happen too many times now not to be pessimistic.

White's a no-BS guy. He'll get up on live television and essentially call Rick Perry an asshole to his face. Texans respect that sort of thing.
 
2010-03-04 09:25:27 AM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Prospero424: I've just seen it happen too many times now not to be pessimistic.

White's a no-BS guy. He'll get up on live television and essentially call Rick Perry an asshole to his face. Texans respect that sort of thing.


I respect the hell out of that because Perry is an asshole and no amount of pandering and posturing in his ICE jacket near election time is going to change that.

I went to Bill White's site Link (new window) and I like what I see so far...
 
2010-03-04 10:58:59 AM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: Prospero424: I've just seen it happen too many times now not to be pessimistic.

White's a no-BS guy. He'll get up on live television and essentially call Rick Perry an asshole to his face. Texans respect that sort of thing.


Then that is exactly what he needs to do. Confront Perry head on.
Make him fess up to some of his crooked deals.

My wife voted for Perry. She is law enforcement/emergency management. They really like Perry alot. He has always been strong in that area. I voted for KBH.

White's biggest problem will be when Perry highlights the fact that White is soft on illegal immigration/amnesty. That does not play well outside of Austin/Houston.
 
2010-03-04 11:10:01 AM
DrTexas: White's biggest problem will be when Perry highlights the fact that White is soft on illegal immigration/amnesty. That does not play well outside of Austin/Houston.

Two things - one, immigration's a third rail in the Rio Grande Valley. Sure, you might bring Anglo voters over through nativism, but you also bear the risk of motivating turnout among Hispanic voters down there. Perry only wins through vote suppression, like most Republicans.

The second thing - Bill White isn't your typical Democratic candidate. He's a businessman with a big-picture perspective and a long-term focus. Calling him "soft" on immigration gives White an opportunity to strike back at Perry: "and what have you done to resolve the issue in ten years? You say I'm soft, and yet, you haven't done anything! Sorry, Governor - taking a photo op on the border with a gun hasn't done anything to prevent the violation of our immigration laws. You say you've got a plan to target immigrants, and yet, with a Republican majority, you've done nothing to enforce the laws as they already exist! Texas no longer needs a governor more concerned with his image than with upholding his sworn duties to protect the Constitution of this great state, and protect Texans, from Brownsville to Amarillo, El Paso to Texarkana."
 
2010-03-04 02:20:00 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: DrTexas: White's biggest problem will be when Perry highlights the fact that White is soft on illegal immigration/amnesty. That does not play well outside of Austin/Houston.

Two things - one, immigration's a third rail in the Rio Grande Valley. Sure, you might bring Anglo voters over through nativism, but you also bear the risk of motivating turnout among Hispanic voters down there. Perry only wins through vote suppression, like most Republicans.

The second thing - Bill White isn't your typical Democratic candidate. He's a businessman with a big-picture perspective and a long-term focus. Calling him "soft" on immigration gives White an opportunity to strike back at Perry: "and what have you done to resolve the issue in ten years? You say I'm soft, and yet, you haven't done anything! Sorry, Governor - taking a photo op on the border with a gun hasn't done anything to prevent the violation of our immigration laws. You say you've got a plan to target immigrants, and yet, with a Republican majority, you've done nothing to enforce the laws as they already exist! Texas no longer needs a governor more concerned with his image than with upholding his sworn duties to protect the Constitution of this great state, and protect Texans, from Brownsville to Amarillo, El Paso to Texarkana."


You should be his campaign manager.
 
2010-03-04 02:32:11 PM
DrTexas: You should be his campaign manager.

I know. Why doesn't he return my phonecalls? ;)
 
2010-03-04 05:41:36 PM
AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: DrTexas: White's biggest problem will be when Perry highlights the fact that White is soft on illegal immigration/amnesty. That does not play well outside of Austin/Houston.

Two things - one, immigration's a third rail in the Rio Grande Valley. Sure, you might bring Anglo voters over through nativism, but you also bear the risk of motivating turnout among Hispanic voters down there. Perry only wins through vote suppression, like most Republicans.

The second thing - Bill White isn't your typical Democratic candidate. He's a businessman with a big-picture perspective and a long-term focus. Calling him "soft" on immigration gives White an opportunity to strike back at Perry: "and what have you done to resolve the issue in ten years? You say I'm soft, and yet, you haven't done anything! Sorry, Governor - taking a photo op on the border with a gun hasn't done anything to prevent the violation of our immigration laws. You say you've got a plan to target immigrants, and yet, with a Republican majority, you've done nothing to enforce the laws as they already exist! Texas no longer needs a governor more concerned with his image than with upholding his sworn duties to protect the Constitution of this great state, and protect Texans, from Brownsville to Amarillo, El Paso to Texarkana."


This would even more awesome if White then stepped out from behind the podium and savate-kicked Perry right in the side of the head.
 
2010-03-05 08:49:22 AM
tnpir: AnotherDisillusionedCollegeStudent: DrTexas: White's biggest problem will be when Perry highlights the fact that White is soft on illegal immigration/amnesty. That does not play well outside of Austin/Houston.

Two things - one, immigration's a third rail in the Rio Grande Valley. Sure, you might bring Anglo voters over through nativism, but you also bear the risk of motivating turnout among Hispanic voters down there. Perry only wins through vote suppression, like most Republicans.

The second thing - Bill White isn't your typical Democratic candidate. He's a businessman with a big-picture perspective and a long-term focus. Calling him "soft" on immigration gives White an opportunity to strike back at Perry: "and what have you done to resolve the issue in ten years? You say I'm soft, and yet, you haven't done anything! Sorry, Governor - taking a photo op on the border with a gun hasn't done anything to prevent the violation of our immigration laws. You say you've got a plan to target immigrants, and yet, with a Republican majority, you've done nothing to enforce the laws as they already exist! Texas no longer needs a governor more concerned with his image than with upholding his sworn duties to protect the Constitution of this great state, and protect Texans, from Brownsville to Amarillo, El Paso to Texarkana."

This would even more awesome if White then stepped out from behind the podium and savate-kicked Perry right in the side of the head.


I'd pay good money to see that. The kick might bounce off his hair though. :-/
 
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