I'm not a parent, but it's always seemed a bit odd to me that our pets deserve an "easy exit" when life becomes a burden, but our families are required (under threat of law) to be kept alive at all costs.

I believe Turk from Scrubs made the following comment or something similar:

"Having a baby is like owning a dog that slowly learns how to talk."

So far, this seems pretty accurate.

Is this going to be another child neutering thread?

I don't want grandchildren and the government shouldn't be allow to tell me I have to have them.

A greenlit kiddie euthanasia thread?

I predict calm rational discussion and civil discourse.

Also, ZOMGWTFBBQ!11! DEATH PANELS FOR TEH CHILDREN!

Quality of life more important than just living. My husband and family has repeatedly been told at what point I want to be put down. I even have a living will, not that it matters much. Farking laws won't let you have an honorable exit and would punish anyone that helps you.

I'm terrified of ending up like my Grandma with Alzheimer's. Shes an empty shell. She's always sick and everyone around her is stressed and worried all the time. She's going to put my Grandpa in his grave before her because after 65 years of marriage he won't leave her side and she needs 24/7 care. She's can't even talk anymore and before this she was violent.

I suppose sitting in a chair staring into space is better than randomly attacking Grandpa and accusing him of kidnapping her.

It's hard as hell with a grandparent. I don't want to even imagine watching my kid waste away like that.

No one has any right to discuss or condemn ANYONE for decisions and actions unless they are in the situation of care giving for a diagnosed terminal patient themselves. And if they ARE in care giving for a terminal loved one they have learned themselves you can't judge others for decisions made with the patient.

From treatment to euthanasia you can't understand what truly happens during the slow death process until you are faced with it.

/yes he asked me to
//no I didn't
///yes he forgave me and understood me in prison wouldn't help the kids
////slashies

/odd, I think that's the very first time I've given an opinion on anything real on fark
//it was like a virginity or something

gambitsgirl: No one has any right to discuss or condemn ANYONE for decisions and actions unless they are in the situation of care giving for a diagnosed terminal patient themselves. And if they ARE in care giving for a terminal loved one they have learned themselves you can't judge others for decisions made with the patient.

From treatment to euthanasia you can't understand what truly happens during the slow death process until you are faced with it.

/yes he asked me to
//no I didn't
///yes he forgave me and understood me in prison wouldn't help the kids
////slashies

slashie quota exceeded.

i won't disagree with you about not having the right to condemn another person's decisions in those cases, but i disagree about whether or not we have the right to discuss it. discussion is necessary and personally i'd rather not be completely ignorant of a situation when i'm inevitably faced with it simply because someone thought i shouldn't discuss other people's handling of a similar situation.

also, if it's a matter of ending life support for an incapacitated person and that person has a living will, i'd probably judge someone who refused to honor that person's wishes for something that is completely legal.

My 15 year old brother died a few hours after a car accident a quarter of a century ago. His death devastated my family but it was over quickly and we were able to move on, though it took a long time to get over it.

Years later I looked at his death certificate and after reading about what usually happened to people with his type of head injuries, realized that even if his body had lived he probably would never have come back. I think that fate would have been worse for all of us.

Razorwolf: FredaDeStilleto: So, I should buy my kid a leash and let him drink water from the toilet?

Sounds like a plan.

No, you should feed your children biscuits of mostly horse fat, and they get to take a dump only when you've got the motivation to allow them.

so i should treat my children like i treat my elderly parents?

WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl: No one has any right to discuss or condemn ANYONE for decisions and actions unless they are in the situation of care giving for a diagnosed terminal patient themselves. And if they ARE in care giving for a terminal loved one they have learned themselves you can't judge others for decisions made with the patient.

From treatment to euthanasia you can't understand what truly happens during the slow death process until you are faced with it.

/yes he asked me to
//no I didn't
///yes he forgave me and understood me in prison wouldn't help the kids
////slashies

slashie quota exceeded.

i won't disagree with you about not having the right to condemn another person's decisions in those cases, but i disagree about whether or not we have the right to discuss it. discussion is necessary and personally i'd rather not be completely ignorant of a situation when i'm inevitably faced with it simply because someone thought i shouldn't discuss other people's handling of a similar situation.

also, if it's a matter of ending life support for an incapacitated person and that person has a living will, i'd probably judge someone who refused to honor that person's wishes for something that is completely legal.


see this is why I don't express my opinion on fark - I think a lot of things but only type a few lmao.

You're right - discussion is VERY important. Everyone needs to discuss what they want "in case they face this" and pros and cons. What I meant (and expressed poorly) are the people who go back and judge people for handling a situation the best they could with their emotional resources.

Also I agree that if someone wishes to be removed from treatment, to have a no-recus or to have nourishment with held then their wishes should be fulfilled.

/not to get specific, he requested I actively terminate his life as opposed to allow him to pass away. The kind of actively that would have been illegal and I could not do.
//3 years later, in the end he requested morphine and refused feeding tube nourishment and I stood by him and fulfilled all of his requests

gambitsgirl: see this is why I don't express my opinion on fark - I think a lot of things but only type a few lmao

i assumed you probably had a rational opinion on it, but i'm bored and figured i'd give my unsolicited response.

WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl: see this is why I don't express my opinion on fark - I think a lot of things but only type a few lmao

i assumed you probably had a rational opinion on it, but i'm bored and figured i'd give my unsolicited response.


It's amazing what kind of opinions and stupid things I heard. "well, Gambits went to the beach to rest for a weekend in year 3 of 4 years while Ruckus was sick. If MY husband had been sick I would have been beside him every day and every night, every second from the moment of diagnosis until his last lovely breath...." and so forth. or "i would have put him in a home" or "I would do it without a respite nurse coming in 10 hours a week" or... fill in the blank.

/this isn't normal
//but happens

I better refill the kid's kibble bowl now. He's meowing.

WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl: see this is why I don't express my opinion on fark - I think a lot of things but only type a few lmao

i assumed you probably had a rational opinion on it, but i'm bored and figured i'd give my unsolicited response.

oh and it's fark lmao. If no one responds unless solicited... we're just sitting here playing with ourselves... wait.. we are but... oh forget it ;-)

gambitsgirl: WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl: see this is why I don't express my opinion on fark - I think a lot of things but only type a few lmao

i assumed you probably had a rational opinion on it, but i'm bored and figured i'd give my unsolicited response.


It's amazing what kind of opinions and stupid things I heard. "well, Gambits went to the beach to rest for a weekend in year 3 of 4 years while Ruckus was sick. If MY husband had been sick I would have been beside him every day and every night, every second from the moment of diagnosis until his last lovely breath...." and so forth. or "i would have put him in a home" or "I would do it without a respite nurse coming in 10 hours a week" or... fill in the blank.

/this isn't normal
//but happens

pretty amazing how much more of an expert other people are at things they've never gone through.

gambitsgirl: oh and it's fark lmao. If no one responds unless solicited... we're just sitting here playing with ourselves... wait.. we are but... oh forget it ;-)

for me it's both. it started off for pleasure, but after a while i noticed it also kept people from randomly dropping by my office.

doubled99: Should they both be beaten with the same instrument?
And with equal strength?

The newspaper is for smacking the dog, and hot wheel track is for smacking the kid. Anyone who can't follow that simple rule doesn't deserve either a dog or a kid.

But you know, the longer you listen to this abortion debate, the more you hear this phrase 'sanctity of life'. You've heard that. Sanctity of life. You believe in it? Personally, I think it's a bunch of shiat. Well, I mean, life is sacred? Who said so? God? Hey, if you read history, you realize that God is one of the leading causes of death. Has been for thousands of years. Hindus, Muslims, Jews, Christians all taking turns killing each other 'cuz God told them it was a good idea. The sword of God, the blood of the land, vengeance is mine. Millions of dead motherfarkers. Millions of dead motherfarkers all because they gave the wrong answer to the God question. 'You believe in God?' 'No.' *Pdoom*. Dead. 'You believe in God?' 'Yes.' 'You believe in my God? 'No.' *Poom*. Dead. 'My God has a bigger dick than your God!' Thousands of years. Thousands of years, and all the best wars, too. The bloodiest, most brutal wars fought, all based on religious hatred. Which is fine with me. Hey, any time a bunch of holy people want to kill each other I'm a happy guy.

But don't be giving me all this shiat about the sanctity of life. I mean, even if there were such a thing, I don't think it's something you can blame on God. No, you know where the sanctity of life came from? We made it up. You know why? 'Cuz we're alive. Self-interest. Living people have a strong interest in promoting the idea that somehow life is sacred. You don't see Abbott and Costello running around, talking about this shiat, do you? We're not hearing a whole lot from Mussolini on the subject. What's the latest from JFK? Not a goddamn thing. 'Cuz JFK, Mussolini and Abbott and Costello are farking dead. They're farking dead. And dead people give less than a shiat about the sanctity of life. Only living people care about it so the whole thing grows out of a completely biased point of view. It's a self serving, man-made bullshiat story.

It's one of these things we tell ourselves so we'll feel noble. Life is sacred. Makes you feel noble. Well let me ask you this: if everything that ever lived is dead, and everything alive is gonna die, where does the sacred part come in? I'm having trouble with that. 'Cuz, I mean, even with all this stuff we preach about the sanctity of life, we don't practice it. We don't practice it. Look at what we'd kill: Mosquitos and flies... 'Cuz they're pests. Lions and tigers... 'Cuz it's fun! Chickens and pigs... 'Cuz we're hungry. Pheasants and quails... 'Cuz it's fun. And we're hungry. And people. We kill people... 'Cuz they're pests. And it's fun!

And you might have noticed something else. The sanctity of life doesn't seem to apply to cancer cells, does it? You rarely see a bumper sticker that says 'Save the tumors.'. Or 'I brake for advanced melanoma.'. No, viruses, mold, mildew, maggots, fungus, weeds, E. Coli bacteria, the crabs. Nothing sacred about those things. So at best the sanctity of life is kind of a selective thing. We get to choose which forms of life we feel are sacred, and we get to kill the rest. Pretty neat deal, huh? You know how we got it? We made the whole farking thing up! Made it up! The same way... thank you.

-George Carlin... who cares even less about the sanctity of life now, because he's dead.

doubled99: WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl: No one has any right to discuss or condemn ANYONE for decisions and actions unless they are in the situation of care giving for a diagnosed terminal patient themselves. And if they ARE in care giving for a terminal loved one they have learned themselves you can't judge others for decisions made with the patient.


Imagine if everyone followed this all the way.
Do you follow your own advice in other threads?
Ever had an abortion? Ever been an elected official?
Are you a doctor? Or scientist? Then you have no right to discuss these things.


yeah, I sorta already took that fervor back. bad choice of words. that said, of course as in the spirit of this country, everyone is free to discuss and condemn what they wish without any experience or basis whatsoever. Uneducated blather is not only a cornerstone of this country but the full business model of this site.

Christopian: gambitsgirl: I stood by him and fulfilled all of his requests

Hi. Nice to meet you. I love you.


Wanna get married this July in the Keys? I LOVE a full tux!

Serious Black: e

It's simple. Human beings have souls given to them by the Lord our God, so a person killing another human is destroying what God created and damns their soul to eternal torture and doom. On the other hand, animals are merely property and don't have a soul, so we can kill them whenever we want to and God will still throw a party for us when we ascend to Heaven to bask in his gloriousness until the end of time.

I'm willingly falling for a troll (at least I hope it's a troll), but here goes...

Black people were mere property until the mid-1800s. Was it alright to kill them? Did black people magically grow souls after the Civil War? Or were the black children born after the Civil War the first generation of black people to have souls?

They've put their souls to good use, though. I mean, they created Soul Music, which in the 60s, was some of the finest music ever created.

gambitsgirl: Uneducated blather is ... the full business model of this site.

It's not Fark.com, it's Tardbuckets with Keyboards.

sboyle1020: Friskitty: Part of me always questions was it worth it?

If he did it for his mother and knowingly did so...I'd say yes.

I can only hope that I die peacefully in my sleep and have no idea what's going on. Oh and that it's 60 years from now.



You want to die peacefully, in your sleep, not screaming like your passengers?

WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl: Uneducated blather is ... the full business model of this site.

It's not Fark.com, it's Tardbuckets with Keyboards.

lol - I wouldn't love fark as much as I do if it weren't TwK!

Do the kids hafta be sick before we put 'em down, or is this option open to ALL kids?

/Did not RTFA

Christopian: gambitsgirl: Wanna get married this July in the Keys? I LOVE a full tux!

Ew gross no. I will not be found anywhere south of the Mason-Dixon line between the months April and November ever again.

It wasn't a tux... it was a classy portable sauna. :P


A bikini is a portable sauna here.

/we southern gals will miss you.
//thanks ;-)



Joy25: What if a grizzled old man befriends a girl with a dream? What if the dream is shattered by a horrible accident? Is it right then?


is he a rich grizzled old man? does the life insurance cover natural causes or just accidents? does he have kids in the will or is it just her?

these are very important to the answer

Razorwolf: thomps: Razorwolf: FredaDeStilleto: So, I should buy my kid a leash and let him drink water from the toilet?

Sounds like a plan.

No, you should feed your children biscuits of mostly horse fat, and they get to take a dump only when you've got the motivation to allow them.

so i should treat my children like i treat my elderly parents?

You wouldn't do too well with my grandparents or my dog. You might try to be in charge of 'when' they take a dump, but you quickly find out that you really only have a minor say in 'where'

no, i'm pretty sure that 100% of the time the 'where' will be "inside a locked hall closet"

gambitsgirl: is he a rich grizzled old man? does the life insurance cover natural causes or just accidents? does he have kids in the will or is it just her?

those are million dollar questions, baby

thomps: Razorwolf: thomps: Razorwolf: FredaDeStilleto: So, I should buy my kid a leash and let him drink water from the toilet?

Sounds like a plan.

No, you should feed your children biscuits of mostly horse fat, and they get to take a dump only when you've got the motivation to allow them.

so i should treat my children like i treat my elderly parents?

You wouldn't do too well with my grandparents or my dog. You might try to be in charge of 'when' they take a dump, but you quickly find out that you really only have a minor say in 'where'

no, i'm pretty sure that 100% of the time the 'where' will be "inside a locked hall closet"


you owe me for one ticket to hell >:-(

Fark_incense: FirstNationalBastard: I'm willingly falling for a troll (at least I hope it's a troll), but here goes...

Sarcasm meter broken?



Probably.

The spelling was too good to be a troll.

The_Terminator: I cannot believe that over 70 posts in, and I'm the Weeners this.

it is a shame that actual discussion broke out rather than cartoon screen-cap postings. what has fark become?!

Please can we get some of them to spay and neuter their spawn? We really don't want this as a possible future:

Olmy's Jart: sboyle1020: And my wife scoffed at my purchase of a crate.



agrees with your decision

From 18 months until about 3 years old we could not keep my son out of the dog's cage. He loved the damn thing and the dog didn't seem to mind. I guess it's like a cagey playhouse.

airplayne: I am just going to leave this here.(pops) It should prompt some intelligent discourse.

;-P


sorry

those were to

thomps:

not


airplayne


*runs off to sob at total lack of farkfoo*

gambitsgirl: those were to

thomps:

not


airplayne


*runs off to sob at total lack of farkfoo*

ha i don't mind pictures in general, i just think it's funny when people storm into a thread indignant at fark for not posting a particular tv reference.

also, that second picture you posted really shows how long we've come in window-unit air conditioning technology. greatest generation indeed.

thomps:

ha i don't mind pictures in general, i just think it's funny when people storm into a thread indignant at fark for not posting a particular tv reference.

also, that second picture you posted really shows how long we've come in window-unit air conditioning technology. greatest generation indeed.

Your tongue, I see it in your cheek now :P

I'm so scared of heights I posted that one with my eyes closed O_O


Marley'sGirl:

My step-daughter loves locking herself in the crate!

I have to say that my dog often listens better than she does, but that's because I trainded the dog.


I snapped a photo of my 10-year-old when she locked herself in our crate. Laughed my ass off. Looked at it again. Decided (after a while on fark) someone was NOT going to laugh if they came across it. And deleted it before I went to jail for locking my kid in a crate. X_X

The_Terminator: thomps: it is a shame that actual discussion broke out rather than cartoon screen-cap postings. what has fark become?!

I suppose I can always take solace in the fact that this place has not lost its snarkiness.

May I bake you a cake?

The_Terminator: thomps: it is a shame that actual discussion broke out rather than cartoon screen-cap postings. what has fark become?!

I suppose I can always take solace in the fact that this place has not lost its snarkiness.

yeah snark is really all you can count on over here at tardbuckets with keyboards

gambitsgirl, i'm honored. i think that's my first inspired shoop.

WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl, i'm honored. i think that's my first inspired shoop.

I cropped it on the photobuckkets and it whparpeded it.

gambitsgirl: WaltzingMathilda: gambitsgirl, i'm honored. i think that's my first inspired shoop.

I cropped it on the photobuckkets and it whparpeded it.

wait, you're telling me i could have been getting 80% off retail this whole time if i just turned off my ad-blocker? goddammit

thomps: wait, you're telling me i could have been getting 80% off retail this whole time if i just turned off my ad-blocker? goddammit

yeah, but I bought one and while her eyes were indeed that startling, her tits were saggy

gambitsgirl: thomps: wait, you're telling me i could have been getting 80% off retail this whole time if i just turned off my ad-blocker? goddammit

yeah, but I bought one and while her eyes were indeed that startling, her tits were saggy

but those are the whitest teeth i ever came across.

gambitsgirl: thomps: wait, you're telling me i could have been getting 80% off retail this whole time if i just turned off my ad-blocker? goddammit

yeah, but I bought one and while her eyes were indeed that startling, her tits were saggy

as with everything i buy on the internet, i'm sure some strategically placed duct tape will do the trick.

WaltzingMathilda: but those are the whitest teeth i ever came across.

gross. but i guess at that deep of a discount you can't expect a swallower.


/this thread has officially derailed

sorry again.

back to dying children

I love child hate threads. Young people being ignorant is amusing.