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2010-03-01 09:11:16 AM
Crosshair: Feeding wildlife, especially nuisance species, is illegal in many places in the US.

This could have been better:

Feeding wildlife, especially nuisance species, in the city limits... that ain't legal either.
 
2010-03-01 09:11:25 AM
brigid_fitch: Regnad Kcin: Isn't Florida full of homes standing empty because of foreclosures?

Problem solved.

Actually, Denver has a program like that. They figured it cost almost a $250K a YEAR for emergency room visits per chronically homeless person, but only $6K/year to give them an efficiency apartment and assign them a caseworker to check in on them weekly. And it absolutely works. They clean themselves up, get jobs, become functioning members of society, and eventually begin to pay their own rent.

But then people complain about just handing over a free apartments while others struggle to pay rent. Where do you draw the line?


See, this fits perfectly with my post about the prodigal son above.
 
2010-03-01 09:11:38 AM
How many of the homeless became homeless while living in this neighborhood? I'm betting few to none. People love to dump off the homeless in city neighborhoods and then whine like babies when those living there have a problem with it.

There is no magical homeless factory in the urban areas of our cities. No mystical homeless tree where people with drug and alcohol problems are grown and drop to the street to panhandle. These people are here because others have found it nice to push them there and then try to act all upset when the people in those areas try to push back.

Why on Earth should the homeless be all gathered up and concentrated into a few neighborhoods? Heck, they're even baiting them with free food to get them there. It's a sick sick setup and those responsible are the ones you see pop up here first calling those in the dumped upon neighborhoods names.

The homeless come from everywhere, even your boring soulless cracker mcmansion subdivision. Stop dumping your problems on other neighborhoods and stop using food and shelter as a way to trick the homeless to move into these areas.

IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS, PAY FOR AND OPEN A SHELTER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Stop dumping it on a few little areas and expect them to be ok with it while you throw bread crumbs at the homeless like they're birds in a park. Bunch of sickos, you concern troll are.
 
2010-03-01 09:13:16 AM
And here I thought I had solved the homeless problem in my high school debate class...
 
2010-03-01 09:15:57 AM
KillTheStupid: We did this in Orlando because we had to. The homeless people would sit around the park for hours before feeding time and harass people. It was very bad for business downtown and something had to be done.

Oh, heaven farking forfend that the life and survival of human beings might conflict with business. Whatever might the consequences be?
 
2010-03-01 09:16:25 AM
ipsofacto: And here I thought I had solved the homeless problem in my high school debate class...

It would work, but first you have to market Soylent Red and Soylent Yellow.
 
2010-03-01 09:16:41 AM
EngineerAU: IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS, PAY FOR AND OPEN A SHELTER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

What if you don't care about the homeless?
 
2010-03-01 09:17:21 AM
Old enough to know better: Wait wait. You mean if we stopped feeding them, then homelessness would end? Damn, we should've done this years. No, centuries ago! Brilliant!

(No, not I'm not really that stupid)


However, homeless advocates in my city have pushed very hard for people to stop coming downtown and giving out tents and sleeping bags to the homeless because, gasp, they will use them...during the winter...in Indianapolis.

Feeding them may be along the same lines...don't feed them on the street. Let them find a shelter where they can get all kinds of help, not just half a Kit Kat bar that you didn't want.
 
2010-03-01 09:17:54 AM
msheda: mortimer_ford: msheda: One time I wish I had money for one of the "sign" people was here in Tampa, where a guy was sitting on a bench, wearing a multi-colored wig with a sign that read:
"Why lie, I want the money for beer"
It was so refreshingly honest.

Please tell me that was sarcasm.

no,,, that part actually wasn't.... we have people at almost every intersection holding up signs about traveling through and car broke down (after 2 or 3 months you tend to not believe it) etc..etc...

This guy was one that I actually wish I had some cash with me to give him some...


They're not being honest because they're 'honest'. They're being honest because people get a kick out of it and give them money for it. (because we all like to instill our values in our charity). It's a homeless meme.
 
2010-03-01 09:18:29 AM
buckler: I understand your position. Honestly, I do. My problem is with the city that thinks it's appropriate to make people walk a mile to eat.

If those people are harassing customers, hurting business, making the streets dirty, then yes it is appropriate for the city to get their free stuff elsewhere.
 
2010-03-01 09:18:47 AM
The Face Of Oblivion: EngineerAU: IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS, PAY FOR AND OPEN A SHELTER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

What if you don't care about the homeless?


Whenever there is a peanut butter, salad, or Girl Scout Cookie recall, I just give mine to homeless people. Hey, something is better than nothing, amirite?
 
2010-03-01 09:20:52 AM
LL316: buckler:

I understand your position. Honestly, I do. My problem is with the city that thinks it's appropriate to make people walk a mile to eat.

What, they have something better to do? When I was in grad school, I walked a mile and a half to my job as a dishwasher (in a less nice than normal area of Detroit). If I can walk that far to make $8/hr, they can walk a mile for farking food. If they don't like it, then they can beg for a fishing pole and get their own damn food.


Yeah, they could. I'd like to think that we're more kind than that, though, and why can't we be?
 
2010-03-01 09:21:44 AM
The government doesn't like competition.

cuts in to their (our) $41 Billion food stamp program.
 
2010-03-01 09:23:22 AM
Beware the Jubjub Bird: You don't need to lure them into a containment area to give them a sammich.



You do if you're an apt pupil.
 
2010-03-01 09:23:57 AM
The Face Of Oblivion: EngineerAU: IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS, PAY FOR AND OPEN A SHELTER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

What if you don't care about the homeless?


www.aplusfirearms.com
 
2010-03-01 09:25:39 AM
www.davestechsupport.com

Does not approves.
 
2010-03-01 09:26:05 AM
All this litter and these landfill problems are the result of the packaging that manufacturers come up with but it's everybody else that ends up paying for it.

Barely related I suppose.
 
2010-03-01 09:27:22 AM
Oh my god! Please don't feed the homeless. All they do is sit around all day, and are like, totally annoying! And if you feed them, it only encourages them to breed and make little homeless people. It's such a huge problem where I live. We already are having to lay out homeless traps in order to catch them. Some make a sport out of it with their homeless 'catch and release' concept. But that's just, like, SO icky. Who wants to handle a homeless?

Please, think of your community, don't feed the homeless.
 
2010-03-01 09:27:39 AM
Many places have statues like this; here in Philadelphia we them too. Mostly its in place to assure people don't go around offering free food with an extra splash of rat poison for flavor.
 
2010-03-01 09:27:49 AM
EngineerAU: How many of the homeless became homeless while living in this neighborhood? I'm betting few to none. People love to dump off the homeless in city neighborhoods and then whine like babies when those living there have a problem with it.

There is no magical homeless factory in the urban areas of our cities. No mystical homeless tree where people with drug and alcohol problems are grown and drop to the street to panhandle. These people are here because others have found it nice to push them there and then try to act all upset when the people in those areas try to push back.

Why on Earth should the homeless be all gathered up and concentrated into a few neighborhoods? Heck, they're even baiting them with free food to get them there. It's a sick sick setup and those responsible are the ones you see pop up here first calling those in the dumped upon neighborhoods names.

The homeless come from everywhere, even your boring soulless cracker mcmansion subdivision. Stop dumping your problems on other neighborhoods and stop using food and shelter as a way to trick the homeless to move into these areas.

IF YOU REALLY CARE ABOUT THE HOMELESS, PAY FOR AND OPEN A SHELTER IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Stop dumping it on a few little areas and expect them to be ok with it while you throw bread crumbs at the homeless like they're birds in a park. Bunch of sickos, you concern troll are.


www.memedepot.com

Nobody's "dumping" homeless (except maybe when Giuliani did it in the 90s, sending them to Hoboken). They travel to where there are likely to be more people/resources.
 
2010-03-01 09:27:54 AM
buckler: Oh, heaven farking forfend that the life and survival of human beings might conflict with business. Whatever might the consequences be?

Reduced revenues = reduced tax receipts = cuts in social programs. Ain't life a biatch?
 
2010-03-01 09:32:38 AM
waterbrother: Many places have statues like this; here in Philadelphia we them too. Mostly its in place to assure people don't go around offering free food with an extra splash of rat poison for flavor.

You them statues of homeless people in Philadelphia? Are they bronze?
 
2010-03-01 09:35:15 AM
waterbrother: Many places have statues like this

Pigeons like statues. Homeless people like alleys.
 
2010-03-01 09:35:28 AM
brigid_fitch: They travel to where there are likely to be more people/resources.

And in the case of Santa Monica, CA, they bring an entire living room set with them and spend all day hurling threats and insults at passersby from their dilapidated La-Z-Boy. When that gets tiring, they trudge off to the library to piss in the Young Adult section and scream at God.
 
2010-03-01 09:38:15 AM
manimal2878: One of the churches in downtown St. Pete was letting the homeless stay there but the city said they weren't allowed so it's not as simple as that.

Probably without a permit. Churches in our city can apply for a $500 annual license for things such as that.

Only around 5 churches in the hundreds here do it though. Plus, if they REALLY want to house the homeless and there aren't any laws to allow them to, they could start legislation with their local city council. Apparently that is too much work though.
 
2010-03-01 09:39:34 AM
I wonder if this will happen in DC. I will be among the first in line to pick up a homeless feeding card, and display it prominently in my wallet.

/so curious about the training, and what sort of certification it takes to teach it.
 
2010-03-01 09:40:12 AM
FormatSlacker: lajimi: Back in the mid '80s I lived in an area where a church group came by every night with food for the homeless. Since the group featured a kid about 13 or so it got all sorts of good press. None of the press people were around to see the aftermath, nobody asked the kid who cleans up the trash after they leave. I don't usually agree with government regulation....ESPECIALLY when it's Florida or Texas but sometimes they come up with a good idea. Broken clock analogy works here.

Given the number of soda cans, Big Gulp cups, and McDonald's sacks I see on the side of the road, selling lower and middle class people food doesn't do much for the littering problem either.

I don't see anyone claiming it's the job of convenience store clerks' to make sure their customers don't litter, but then anyone with a brain can tell this is about running the homeless out of town rather than solving a littering problem. Heck, you could do a lot more hiring some guy to pick up litter than by commandeering your police force to go ticket anyone seen gifting food to a vagrant.

Personally, I don't care how irresponsible the homeless might be afterward, once society starts ticketing you for being generous to those in need, it's one selfish crap society.


The last time I checked there weren't any convenience store clerks selling their crap on MY stoop. All I'm saying is that there either should be a central area where food is distributed OR the groups that feed the homeless should make a quick sweep to clean up after their clients. If people don't pick up after their pets they get a ticket in most cities, same thing. There were public trash cans on every block where I lived at the time they didn't have to just leave the trash everywhere.
 
2010-03-01 09:44:05 AM
RTFA
 
2010-03-01 09:46:14 AM
snuff3r: lajimi: Back in the mid '80s I lived in an area where a church group came by every night with food for the homeless. Since the group featured a kid about 13 or so it got all sorts of good press. None of the press people were around to see the aftermath, nobody asked the kid who cleans up the trash after they leave. I don't usually agree with government regulation....ESPECIALLY when it's Florida or Texas but sometimes they come up with a good idea. Broken clock analogy works here.

Letting people starve isn't a solution either.


Funny, I'm not starving and no one gives me anything for free.

I wonder why.....

Sarcasm off, of course I'm all for helping the homeless who truely have mental problems, but it seems, lately, that I see people on EVERY single corner begging for money. Upon closer inspection, these people are usually dressed in better clothes than me!

Remember folks, helping those who truely need it is good, throwing money at lazy people is NOT productive in any conceivable way.

\please excuse spelling...no coffee yet
 
2010-03-01 09:46:26 AM
I_Am_Weasel: Warning! Don't feed the dynamite homeless homeless dynamite.

FTFY
 
2010-03-01 09:49:27 AM
I think there are several strategies that can be implemented to defeat Obama in the next election, starving his base to death is not one of them.
 
2010-03-01 09:49:39 AM
While I can kinda understand the superficial perception that this is silly, and sympathize with the complaints that it's excessively open to abuse, I can't help but think that the people most vehemently objecting to these kinda of mild regulations have never lived anywhere a vagrant would want to go.

Vagrancy leads to a lot of issues, from escalating crime rates to simple unpleasantness destroying the viability of walk-in commercial districts. Efforts to keep the homeless from being assholes are usually the first attempts (open container laws, limitations on panhandling or loitering, etc)... when those inevitably fail cities generally sigh and move on to laws designed to keep them from concentrating in one area, like this one.

If a city does something like Little Rock and essentially makes being homeless illegal (and deports them to the middle of the countryside), then sure, complain, 'cause that's bullshiat. Banning feeding outside of organized soup kitchen or permitted events? That's a reasonable response to a real problem, stop whining.
 
2010-03-01 09:49:51 AM
There is a guy, who is big and talks a bit retarded, on the corner of Howard and Swann in South Tampa. I give him change whenever I see him, and I know this guy really needs help....BUT

Every time we stop to give him money, he does nothing but stare at my wife. And when I watch him, and girls walk by, he stares at them.

Now, obviously this guy still has urges. What happens if he runs into a girl, in a dark alley, at night. Remember, he's a bit retarded.

Since he's mentally ill, he can be blamed 100% if he rapes a girl, but clearly he shouldn't be on the street. He needs help, and I feel bad.
 
2010-03-01 09:50:16 AM
Ricster: RTFA

That's crazy talk.
 
2010-03-01 09:51:42 AM
el wharrrgarblo: Sarcasm off, of course I'm all for helping the homeless who truely have mental problems, but it seems, lately, that I see people on EVERY single corner begging for money. Upon closer inspection, these people are usually dressed in better clothes than me!

Remember folks, helping those who truely need it is good, throwing money at lazy people is NOT productive in any conceivable way.


Give them some money the first time. The next time the same guy asks you for money, remind him he still owes you from last time. Works for me.
 
2010-03-01 09:51:45 AM
Jim_Callahan: If a city does something like Little Rock and essentially makes being homeless illegal (and deports them to the middle of the countryside), then sure, complain, 'cause that's bullshiat.

Also, dangerous:

www.collider.com
 
2010-03-01 09:52:35 AM
el wharrrgarblo: There is a guy, who is big and talks a bit retarded, on the corner of Howard and Swann in South Tampa. I give him change whenever I see him, and I know this guy really needs help....BUT

Every time we stop to give him money, he does nothing but stare at my wife. And when I watch him, and girls walk by, he stares at them.

Now, obviously this guy still has urges. What happens if he runs into a girl, in a dark alley, at night. Remember, he's a bit retarded.

Since he's mentally ill, he can be blamed 100% if he rapes a girl, but clearly he shouldn't be on the street. He needs help, and I feel bad.


Give him a mouse to pet.
 
2010-03-01 09:54:05 AM
Regnad Kcin: el wharrrgarblo: There is a guy, who is big and talks a bit retarded, on the corner of Howard and Swann in South Tampa. I give him change whenever I see him, and I know this guy really needs help....BUT

Every time we stop to give him money, he does nothing but stare at my wife. And when I watch him, and girls walk by, he stares at them.

Now, obviously this guy still has urges. What happens if he runs into a girl, in a dark alley, at night. Remember, he's a bit retarded.

Since he's mentally ill, he can be blamed 100% if he rapes a girl, but clearly he shouldn't be on the street. He needs help, and I feel bad.

Give him a mouse to pet.


LOL
 
2010-03-01 09:58:10 AM
Regnad Kcin: Isn't Florida full of homes standing empty because of foreclosures?

Problem solved.


Not really as many of these folks are transient. It's a seasonal issue as lots of them will head back north after winter just like your grandmother.
 
2010-03-01 10:00:38 AM
The Face Of Oblivion: buckler: Oh, heaven farking forfend that the life and survival of human beings might conflict with business. Whatever might the consequences be?

Reduced revenues = reduced tax receipts = cuts in social programs. Ain't life a biatch?


My God. People being homeless results in them being homeless. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with this picture. And I'm sure businesses regularly do their best to care for the homeless.
 
2010-03-01 10:01:25 AM
Crosshair: Feeding wildlife, especially nuisance species, is illegal in many places in the US. I don't see what the big deal is.

Killing and eating wildlife is also legal in most places, however killing and eating humans is not. Are you starting to see the difference between humans and animals? Since you seem confused, you may also be shocked to learn that you can't "date" animals and you can't put your human companions to sleep.

/No, no don't thank me. I live to educate.

//I can give money to homeless if I please.
 
2010-03-01 10:04:23 AM
rattchett: Killing and eating wildlife is also legal in most places, however killing and eating humans is not

Oh NOW you farking tell me.
 
2010-03-01 10:05:15 AM
buckler: My God. People being homeless results in them being homeless. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with this picture. And I'm sure businesses regularly do their best to care for the homeless.

If you exist solely because of the efforts of others, you don't get to tell them what to do. Nobody owes you a living.
 
2010-03-01 10:05:28 AM
rattchett: Killing and eating wildlife is also legal in most places, however killing and eating humans is not. Are you starting to see the difference between humans and animals? Since you seem confused, you may also be shocked to learn that you can't "date" animals and you can't put your human companions to sleep.

/No, no don't thank me. I live to educate.

//I can give money to homeless if I please.


Maybe or Sarcasm Detector needs an upgrade.
 
2010-03-01 10:05:55 AM
Since I hate bums anything that they or their apologists don't like is good.

The real answer to the bum problem:

1. create a police annex a the edge of town in some industrial wasteland
1.a make sure there are no public telephones or bus stops for a mile or two
2. have the cops arrest bums for littering, trespassing, any bum crime they can come up with, and "process" them at this annex, making sure to "accidentally" disable any cell phone the bum might be carrying
3. after taking their prints and photographing them and putting them in a holding cell for a few hours let them go
4. after a few long walks back to their bum hangout the bums will get the message that they aren't wanted and go somewhere else
 
2010-03-01 10:09:20 AM
The Face Of Oblivion: If you exist solely because of the efforts of others, you don't get to tell them what to do. Nobody owes you a living.

Tell that to the bankers...(or congress)
 
2010-03-01 10:09:34 AM
rattchett:
Killing and eating wildlife is also legal in most places, however killing and eating humans is not.


Cite?
 
2010-03-01 10:10:23 AM
msheda: One time I wish I had money for one of the "sign" people was here in Tampa, where a guy was sitting on a bench, wearing a multi-colored wig with a sign that read:
"Why lie, I want the money for beer"
It was so refreshingly honest.


These signs are so commonplace they are boring.
 
2010-03-01 10:11:18 AM
The Face Of Oblivion: buckler: My God. People being homeless results in them being homeless. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with this picture. And I'm sure businesses regularly do their best to care for the homeless.

If you exist solely because of the efforts of others, you don't get to tell them what to do. Nobody owes you a living.


If you exist, you deserve to live and prosper if you can. Society owes you that, as you owe to everyone else.
 
2010-03-01 10:13:12 AM
buckler: The Face Of Oblivion: buckler: Oh, heaven farking forfend that the life and survival of human beings might conflict with business. Whatever might the consequences be?

Reduced revenues = reduced tax receipts = cuts in social programs. Ain't life a biatch?

My God. People being homeless results in them being homeless. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with this picture. And I'm sure businesses regularly do their best to care for the homeless.


That's right, businesses should not complain about the homeless infringing on their rights and at the same time should offer to provide for them in an area where they are going to have a negative impact on business.

The issue comes down to rights. The business owners have the right to have their customers not be harassed. The homeless people have a right to be downtown but they do not have the right to behave in such a way that infringes on the rights of others. After many years of putting up with the crappy behavior of many (not all) of the homeless downtown, the city had to solve the problem.
 
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