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(The New York Times)   There are now bacteria so powerful, the only antibiotics strong enough to kill them (maybe) will also shut down your kidneys. Thanks a lot, Purell   (nytimes.com) divider line 278
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2010-02-28 10:19:07 PM
That which doesn't kill you makes you stronger have dialysis treatments 4 times a week..

on a side note, the statistics for long-term survival after a hip surgery (in general) are pretty unnerving..
 
2010-02-28 10:20:54 PM
this is why i ever use that stuff.
 
2010-02-28 10:24:13 PM
Bubble boy, over protective, conservative, 2012 fearing people everywhere disagree.
 
2010-02-28 10:28:54 PM
So go out and play in the dirt. Don't be afraid to get mildly sick. The best thing you can do to prevent disease for yourself is to make your immune system stronger, not hide from germs inside a sterile bubble.
 
2010-02-28 10:28:59 PM
Not Purell, it's the bacon industry that's probably to blame, no shiat.

stuff sure is worth it, though....
mmmmmmmmm...bacon.....ohhhhhhhhhhh.....uhhhhhhhh.......mmmmmmmmmmm, crisp.........smoky.......delicious.....bacon.....ohhhhhhhhhh.....OHHH!

I came.

/Not. Read Diet for a New America 18 yrs ago, haven't had a piece since.
 
2010-02-28 10:42:15 PM
Why do you think polio wasn't a major problem until the early 1900s?
 
2010-02-28 11:07:32 PM
Uakronkid: So go out and play in the dirt. Don't be afraid to get mildly sick. The best thing you can do to prevent disease for yourself is to make your immune system stronger, not hide from germs inside a sterile bubble.
*fist bump*


It's truly frightening to consider the generations of snowflakes coming up now.
Most parents these days (I'm 45) still grew up raising some sort of hell as kids -
skinned knees, tree forts, bike jump ramps, etc, yet now they themselves won't even let their spoor develop, even with said wonderous interweb knowledge
telling them to
LET THEIR DAMN KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE!!!

Put some Tussin on it, and let them grow. Damn.
 
2010-02-28 11:12:52 PM
elvisaintdead: Uakronkid: So go out and play in the dirt. Don't be afraid to get mildly sick. The best thing you can do to prevent disease for yourself is to make your immune system stronger, not hide from germs inside a sterile bubble.
*fist bump*


It's truly frightening to consider the generations of snowflakes coming up now.
Most parents these days (I'm 45) still grew up raising some sort of hell as kids -
skinned knees, tree forts, bike jump ramps, etc, yet now they themselves won't even let their spoor develop, even with said wonderous interweb knowledge
telling them to
LET THEIR DAMN KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE!!!

Put some Tussin on it, and let them grow. Damn.


I think the hover-parent phenomenon is at least partly attributable to families having fewer children. My mom had four kids in five years, and you bet your ass she didn't have time to over-parent us.
 
2010-02-28 11:17:24 PM
kxs401: I think the hover-parent phenomenon is at least partly attributable to families having fewer children. My mom had four kids in five years, and you bet your ass she didn't have time to over-parent us.

It almost seems like it's about a 50/50 split between that, and the boomers wanting their children to have it better than they did and over-reacting when the realities of life hit home..
 
2010-02-28 11:24:19 PM
PURELL IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS!

Purell, (which is over 60% alcohol), 100% alcohol, bleach and peroxide kill backteria without letting alcohol becoming immuine to it.

What is causing this to happen, is the over use of anti bacterial soaps and cleaners which do not contain either alcohol, bleach and peroxide.

That is why ALL hospitals are providing hand sanitizer made from one of these three products.

MY MOM ALMOST DIED OF A MRSA INFECTION LAST YEAR. FOR 2 WEEKS, WE THOUGHT WE LOST HER!

THE INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST HAS US USING ANY PRODUCT WHICH CONTAINS ANY OF THESE THREE ITEMS: alcohol, bleach and peroxide!
 
2010-02-28 11:28:35 PM
Actually, guys, some of this is serious. We're not talking about people being afraid of being a little dirty, we're talking about bona fide superbugs that cannot be killed. We had a kid with Klebsiella pneumoniae on my floor... most contact isolation precautions taken I've ever seen. Scary shiat.

There are some new novel antibiotics coming on line, besides the crap they talked about in the article, but we're deathly afraid to use 'em because we don't want to create another round of drug-resistant bugs.
 
2010-02-28 11:30:17 PM
growinthings: PURELL IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS!

This. A hundred brazillion times.
 
2010-02-28 11:32:44 PM
I just got over a MRSA infection last week, so I'm really getting a shudder out of these replies.

/seriously, dying from a raging infection is one of the worst things I can think of
 
2010-02-28 11:41:22 PM
playblu: I just got over a MRSA infection last week, so I'm really getting a shudder out of these replies.

/seriously, dying from a raging infection is one of the worst things I can think of


And just for a fun fact, folks, hospitals often refuse to test their own workers to see if they're colonized with MRSA because... they don't want to find out the results. I figure there's about a 25% chance I'm colonized with it, that or VRE.
 
2010-02-28 11:49:25 PM
kxs401: I think the hover-parent phenomenon is at least partly attributable to families having fewer children. My mom had four kids in five years, and you bet your ass she didn't have time to over-parent us.

A valid point.
/Tips hat to your Mom

But how many 'hover parents' have had "four kids in five years?"
They're happy these days to spawn one and vocally place it in an above-average pre-school.
 
2010-02-28 11:50:53 PM
Don't worry cretards, if you don't believe in evolution, these germs can't harm you.
 
2010-02-28 11:54:36 PM
The last time I saw this topic in a thread, some Farker was biatching about the bacteria evolving to become immune to alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Someone else pointed out that the bacteria could no more develop an immunity to those sanitizers than you or I could develop an immunity to being doused in gasoline and set on fire. I always liked that analogy.
 
2010-03-01 12:15:59 AM
benlonghair: Why do you think polio wasn't a major problem until the early 1900s?

i366.photobucket.com
 
2010-03-01 12:31:57 AM
Dr. Nick Riviera: The last time I saw this topic in a thread, some Farker was biatching about the bacteria evolving to become immune to alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Someone else pointed out that the bacteria could no more develop an immunity to those sanitizers than you or I could develop an immunity to being doused in gasoline and set on fire. I always liked that analogy.

The correct analogy would be if you threw a gallon of gas into a group of a dozen of your kids and lit it. The faster ones would be more likely to get away and survive.
Hand sanitizers and antibiotics kill all but the strongest bacteria that were previously competing with them for resources. They just happen to reproduce faster than your kids would. Didn't they teach biology in your high school?
 
2010-03-01 12:58:56 AM
torch: The correct analogy would be if you threw a gallon of gas into a group of a dozen of your kids and lit it. The faster ones would be more likely to get away and survive.
Hand sanitizers and antibiotics kill all but the strongest bacteria that were previously competing with them for resources. They just happen to reproduce faster than your kids would. Didn't they teach biology in your high school?


i366.photobucket.com
/had to steal your hotlink cato113
 
2010-03-01 01:06:36 AM
wanted for questioning:

fisher.berkeley.edu
 
2010-03-01 01:20:10 AM
torch: The correct analogy would be if you threw a gallon of gas into a group of a dozen of your kids and lit it. The faster ones would be more likely to get away and survive.
Hand sanitizers and antibiotics kill all but the strongest bacteria that were previously competing with them for resources. They just happen to reproduce faster than your kids would. Didn't they teach biology in your high school?


i366.photobucket.com


HAND SANITIZERS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY



/No problem, Dr. Nick Riviera
 
2010-03-01 02:02:43 AM
benlonghair: Why do you think polio wasn't a major problem until the early 1900s?

Polio became a big problem due to urban growth. Lots of people close together makes it easier to spread polio. Back then you didn't have people running from germs, just that demographics changed.
 
2010-03-01 02:31:14 AM
ragekage: playblu: I just got over a MRSA infection last week, so I'm really getting a shudder out of these replies.

/seriously, dying from a raging infection is one of the worst things I can think of

And just for a fun fact, folks, hospitals often refuse to test their own workers to see if they're colonized with MRSA because... they don't want to find out the results. I figure there's about a 25% chance I'm colonized with it, that or VRE.


Did you know that cannabis kills MRSA infections dead? yup. good old fashioned weed is an uber bug killer. cheap to manufacture too. it only gets expensive when you take out the stuff that makes you feel good while it cures you of one of the worst infections of the modern age.

don't believe me? Check it out.

now for the kicker - Cannabis is a Schedule I drug. Schedule I drugs 'have no medical use' and are completely banned under any/all circumstances. But here we have straight up irrefutable evidence that cannabis can be turned into a cheap and quite effective antibiotic that wipes out something resistant to everything else in the arsenal. But we can't use it. Even though it cures people of a nasty infection nothing else can cure. Because our government says cannabis has no medical use. Even though science HAS a medical use for it.

Ain't the war on drugs great stuff folks? let's give the DEA a hand! Everyone who's ever had an MRSA infection should thank a DEA agent or anti-drug activist for their infection! go on, shake their hand! or cough on them. Make sure to spread that thanks around to the people who will really appreciate it! thanks guys!
 
2010-03-01 03:59:47 AM
One of the biggest problems with MSRAs is that everyone is demanding antibiotics for the littlest problem. And doctors are giving them out. In Sweden (I think, can't find the article), they've basically forbidden the prescribing of antibiotics without 3 other physicians approving the prescription to make sure it's actually necessary. They've also changed cleaning strategies in all hospital facilities so they're not super clean. And it's cut down on infections of MSRAs and other bad bugs that cause infections. Here's a link to the EARSS. (pops)

Interesting stuff. It seems to be reverse psychology, but it seems to be working.
 
2010-03-01 04:20:09 AM
I wash my hands as needed. I never use Purell. I haven't been sick in over two years now, coming up on three. Prior to that, I worked in a nursing home and got exposed to everything, including some things that most hospitals double gown for. Between that and my habit of slurping down green tea, sick people don't worry me anymore.

That being said, people who are terrified of flu and then soak in purell piss me right the hell off. It doesn't kill viruses, you twits, stop that.
 
2010-03-01 04:25:21 AM
Can we come up with a name more derisive than "hellicopter parents" for this type of jackassery? These people are farking dangerous.

/refuse vaccines, but demand antibiotics for the sniffles...
//this sort of shiat will be the downfall of society
 
Xai
2010-03-01 04:27:46 AM
Don't be silly, nothing evolves, this isn't proof of evolution and we don't need any new medicines.
 
2010-03-01 04:34:40 AM
Weaver95: ragekage: playblu: I just got over a MRSA infection last week, so I'm really getting a shudder out of these replies.

/seriously, dying from a raging infection is one of the worst things I can think of

And just for a fun fact, folks, hospitals often refuse to test their own workers to see if they're colonized with MRSA because... they don't want to find out the results. I figure there's about a 25% chance I'm colonized with it, that or VRE.

Did you know that cannabis kills MRSA infections dead? yup. good old fashioned weed is an uber bug killer. cheap to manufacture too. it only gets expensive when you take out the stuff that makes you feel good while it cures you of one of the worst infections of the modern age.

don't believe me? Check it out.

now for the kicker - Cannabis is a Schedule I drug. Schedule I drugs 'have no medical use' and are completely banned under any/all circumstances. But here we have straight up irrefutable evidence that cannabis can be turned into a cheap and quite effective antibiotic that wipes out something resistant to everything else in the arsenal. But we can't use it. Even though it cures people of a nasty infection nothing else can cure. Because our government says cannabis has no medical use. Even though science HAS a medical use for it.

Ain't the war on drugs great stuff folks? let's give the DEA a hand! Everyone who's ever had an MRSA infection should thank a DEA agent or anti-drug activist for their infection! go on, shake their hand! or cough on them. Make sure to spread that thanks around to the people who will really appreciate it! thanks guys!


Pretty frustrating, huh?
 
2010-03-01 04:37:04 AM
Simple solution: Incinerate the sick.

Seriously, take no chances. You walk into a hospital, you get toasted to a cinder immediately - you, and whatever nasty bug you're carrying.

/mmmm, toast.
 
2010-03-01 04:38:27 AM
gweilo8888: Simple solution: Incinerate the sick.

Seriously, take no chances. You walk into a hospital, you get toasted to a cinder immediately - you, and whatever nasty bug you're carrying.

/mmmm, toast.


You want to create new strains of fire-resistant bugs? Madman!
 
2010-03-01 04:40:02 AM
gweilo8888~

"you can check in, but you can never check out"
 
2010-03-01 04:43:04 AM
Saying that bacteria can adapt and strengthen from exposure to alcohol based hand sanitizers is like saying humans can adapt and strengthen from lengthy exposure to being burned alive.
 
2010-03-01 04:44:17 AM
ragekage: We had a kid with Klebsiella pneumoniae on my floor...

Well, if the kid was so sick maybe you shouldn't have left him on the floor and taken him to a hospital or something. At least let him up on the couch, for pity's sake.
 
2010-03-01 04:45:55 AM
Weaver95: Did you know...

Things like this are why the scariest words in the English language are, "I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help!"
 
2010-03-01 04:49:18 AM
Sigh...


There's two separate issues that people confuse. One is living in too clean of an environment (this is the Purell/lysol/bleach/antibiotic soap issue) and the other is the superbug issue. The Purell issue is that your body basically builds up battle plans (memory B cells) that it can whip out to recognize bad guys and mobilize the proper troops. This DOES NOT cause super bugs. At most, this means that people who grew up in a bubble will get sick more often simple because they're body is still building up that military library.

What causes superbugs is the use of antibiotics to treat people. Bugs have tons of ways to develop resistance, and when they do, to share that resistance. Sure, it takes a lot of bad mutations that kills bugs to get that one that makes it immune, however bugs multiple at a fast rate. So once that resistance is found, when all of his friends dies at the hands of an antibiotic (selective pressure), he can quickly divide and take over. Purell is not the enemy against superbugs. Over and misuse of antibiotics are.
 
2010-03-01 04:51:07 AM
growinthings: PURELL IS NOT THE CAUSE OF THIS!

Purell, (which is over 60% alcohol), 100% alcohol, bleach and peroxide kill backteria without letting alcohol becoming immuine to it.

What is causing this to happen, is the over use of anti bacterial soaps and cleaners which do not contain either alcohol, bleach and peroxide.

That is why ALL hospitals are providing hand sanitizer made from one of these three products.

MY MOM ALMOST DIED OF A MRSA INFECTION LAST YEAR. FOR 2 WEEKS, WE THOUGHT WE LOST HER!

THE INFECTIOUS DISEASE SPECIALIST HAS US USING ANY PRODUCT WHICH CONTAINS ANY OF THESE THREE ITEMS: alcohol, bleach and peroxide!


Umm... No. Purell actually does help but it's useless if idiots use it improperly.

Purell is a liquid, quick-drying sanitizer but it's not foolproof. While it's a waterless hand washer, that doesn't mean anyone shouldn't wipe it from their hands after a generous massaging.

You otherwise wash your hands under hot water, use soap, massage the solvent for over 30 seconds and rinse. Right?

Well, what most people don't do is first grab a sanitary towel and tuck it between your elbow and ribs, THEN turn the water on, use the soap, massage their hands and wrists then dry their hands with the towel by their elbow. After the hands are dry, use the towel to turn off the water and then again for the handle on the bathroom door. Dispose towel in waste bin immediately after.


Hospitals are famous for Staph infections as well as others who are a threat to the patients staying under professional care. But people visit patients and they bring in germs. Since they're ignorant of proper, sterile hygiene, they'll unwittingly transfer the bacteria onto patients with little immunity.
 
2010-03-01 04:57:06 AM
Uh, subby, I'm pretty sure the active ingredient in Purell is ethanol, which isn't an antibiotic and therefore doesn't contribute to resistance of the type described in the article.

That being said, resistant strains of gram-negative bacteria are uber-biatchy to treat. There's a much wider spectrum of antibiotics that work on gram-positive organisnms.
 
2010-03-01 05:02:33 AM
Medical grade Manuka Honey and Manuka Oil kills MRSA and bacteria. Proved in scientific tests in Europe. Completely natural.
 
2010-03-01 05:02:39 AM
Also, if you think MRSA is bad, it gets even worse: Link (new window)
 
2010-03-01 05:03:17 AM
elvisaintdead: Uakronkid: So go out and play in the dirt. Don't be afraid to get mildly sick. The best thing you can do to prevent disease for yourself is to make your immune system stronger, not hide from germs inside a sterile bubble.
*fist bump*


It's truly frightening to consider the generations of snowflakes coming up now.
Most parents these days (I'm 45) still grew up raising some sort of hell as kids -
skinned knees, tree forts, bike jump ramps, etc, yet now they themselves won't even let their spoor develop, even with said wonderous interweb knowledge
telling them to
LET THEIR DAMN KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE!!!

Put some Tussin on it, and let them grow. Damn.


I'm 24. When I was 6 and 7 I played outside unsupervised with friends, running around in woods and the construction where they were building new houses nearby. We came home at dark. Unless I got a broken bone, a deep puncture wound, or a nasty, nasty cut, it was washed out, cleaned with hydrogen peroxide or mercurochrome, and that was that. I got sick as shiat all the time.

Now I am 24, have been sick three times in the past 4 and a half years (2 times from alcohol poisoning), have a high pain tolerance, and can treat/stabilise most wounds short of a GSW.

Classmates only a year or two younger than me never played outside, weren't allowed to walk to school, couldn't play outside without some adult watching them, and were rushed to the doctor for the simplest of things.fark, one time I got my hands caught in a cake mixer and dislocated most of my fingers. Dad put them back in place. End of story.

The pussification (no offence to the ladies) of American youth is disgusting.
 
Zel
2010-03-01 05:06:53 AM
Dr. Nick Riviera: The last time I saw this topic in a thread, some Farker was biatching about the bacteria evolving to become immune to alcohol-based hand sanitizers. Someone else pointed out that the bacteria could no more develop an immunity to those sanitizers than you or I could develop an immunity to being doused in gasoline and set on fire. I always liked that analogy.

Dude it would take us about two years to make everyone in the USA a special coat and a sprinkler system.
 
2010-03-01 05:08:00 AM
This is what happens when you don't complete your medication properly. If you stop taking antiobiotics before the infection is eradicated, all you do is breed a resistant strain.
 
2010-03-01 05:10:48 AM
George Carlin's take on germophobes:
Link (new window)
 
2010-03-01 05:13:31 AM
Oh- my link above? NSFW, language (it's Carlin, whaddya expect?)
 
2010-03-01 05:14:55 AM
cevk: elvisaintdead: Uakronkid: So go out and play in the dirt. Don't be afraid to get mildly sick. The best thing you can do to prevent disease for yourself is to make your immune system stronger, not hide from germs inside a sterile bubble.
*fist bump*


It's truly frightening to consider the generations of snowflakes coming up now.
Most parents these days (I'm 45) still grew up raising some sort of hell as kids -
skinned knees, tree forts, bike jump ramps, etc, yet now they themselves won't even let their spoor develop, even with said wonderous interweb knowledge
telling them to
LET THEIR DAMN KIDS PLAY OUTSIDE!!!

Put some Tussin on it, and let them grow. Damn.

I'm 24. When I was 6 and 7 I played outside unsupervised with friends, running around in woods and the construction where they were building new houses nearby. We came home at dark. Unless I got a broken bone, a deep puncture wound, or a nasty, nasty cut, it was washed out, cleaned with hydrogen peroxide or mercurochrome, and that was that. I got sick as shiat all the time.

Now I am 24, have been sick three times in the past 4 and a half years (2 times from alcohol poisoning), have a high pain tolerance, and can treat/stabilise most wounds short of a GSW.

Classmates only a year or two younger than me never played outside, weren't allowed to walk to school, couldn't play outside without some adult watching them, and were rushed to the doctor for the simplest of things.fark, one time I got my hands caught in a cake mixer and dislocated most of my fingers. Dad put them back in place. End of story.

The pussification (no offence to the ladies) of American youth is disgusting.


I hear ya.

BUT... and this is a big 'but', while the norm is building up immunity to these typical strains of viruse's and bacterical infections, new strains have morphed for which we've yet to find equal nor nearly combative immunizations towards.

In other words, we can suck on sand-box dirt and eachothers thumbs but that's not going to stop the cooties...

There's a really good reason for the saying, "No cure for the common cold". It's because it's constantly changing/advancing. Trouble is, we can't keep up with the vaccines to combat them.
 
2010-03-01 05:15:29 AM
Ringshadow: That being said, people who are terrified of flu and then soak in purell piss me right the hell off. It doesn't kill viruses, you twits, stop that.

Yes it does. You can relax and stop hating all those people now.
 
2010-03-01 05:18:49 AM
Bacteriophages is where it's at. At least for the Ruskies.
While we're at let's give a hand to Dr Ililzerov and his AKA lizard rods.
 
2010-03-01 05:20:18 AM
I used to work on the issues desk (among other duties) in a public library - this was over a three year period. I'd encounter people who were coughing, spluttering and generally unwell almost every day. I had maybe 3 days of sick leave in my entire time there and one of those was for food poisoning.
 
2010-03-01 05:26:58 AM
Keep putting antibiotics in that cattle feed, agrobiz.
 
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