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2010-03-01 01:28:27 AM  
Odd how the right seems to believe the govt can do no right when it comes to something like health care, but it would never make a mistake like executing an innocent man.
 
2010-03-01 01:28:40 AM  

Mrbogey: Baryogenesis: A 20 year sentence for a guilty man is very different from killing him.

Who is talking 20 years? If you've got the death penalty on the table, you're not getting out (in theory) in 20 years. You're a lifer.

I understand your argument. I really do. I just think it stems from a moral idealism that just desires the world to be different than what we have.


Fair enough. The guy who could get the death penalty isn't going to be paroled. 3 hots, a cot and reading material is better than death.

Most people would say morals/ethics are only valid if they don't depend on the way the world is. There's nothing to be gained from killing a criminal that can't be achieved in another way (safety of guards, for example).

Mrbogey: The whole point of this argument is that if your doubt is great enough that you're not willing to inflict penalty for the crime, then don't find them guilty.


This isn't a sound argument. Innocence and guilt are separate from the potential penalty for committing the crime. Juries determine if a man is guilty or not. Then, if he's found guilty, it is decided what sentence the man deserves. They are two separate considerations.

There is also a difference between being unwilling to inflict penalty and being unwilling to inflict a specific type of penalty.
 
2010-03-01 01:28:49 AM  

dave2198: lumyai: StopArrestingMe: Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

Don't know much about Vedic Aryans, but the rest of those folks are kind of what my mind's eye summons when I think of the word "barbarian."

You really think we're in the clear so long as we treat our prisoners better than the Huns would have done? Setting the bar pretty low there, aren't you, troll?

Fail for you too.


WTF are you blathering about, azweepay? You mean he was trolling??? Oh, if only I had been blessed with your godlike insight!
 
2010-03-01 01:29:55 AM  

queezyweezel: NightOwl2255: BTW: Before being convicted, he was offered a plea deal that included no jail time, but turned it down.

Well, he didn't do it, why should he have to agree to anything?

/yeah, even in in Texas.


Not saying he should. Just that he could have avoided jail time,
 
2010-03-01 01:30:09 AM  

filter: Odd how the right seems to believe the govt can do no right when it comes to something like health care, but it would never make a mistake like executing an innocent man.


This is so important, it's worth rebroadcasting in bold:

Odd how the right seems to believe the govt can do no right when it comes to something like health care, but it would never make a mistake like executing an innocent man.
 
2010-03-01 01:30:13 AM  
Not that I blame you, but it's obvious that a few of you never make it over to the politics tab.
SAM's posts aren't what you think they are.
 
2010-03-01 01:31:02 AM  

NightOwl2255: queezyweezel: NightOwl2255: BTW: Before being convicted, he was offered a plea deal that included no jail time, but turned it down.

Well, he didn't do it, why should he have to agree to anything?

/yeah, even in in Texas.

Not saying he should. Just that he could have avoided jail time,


Yes, and probably be listed as a sex offender for the rest of his life... for something he never did.
 
2010-03-01 01:32:34 AM  

queezyweezel: And none of the people responsible for his false imprisonment will suffer any consequences......farking awesome system we have.


What country has a better one? Don't get me wrong, this kind of thing sucks but if I were being prosecuted I would rather have it happen here than anywhere else.
 
2010-03-01 01:32:51 AM  

lumyai: dave2198: lumyai: StopArrestingMe: Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

Don't know much about Vedic Aryans, but the rest of those folks are kind of what my mind's eye summons when I think of the word "barbarian."

You really think we're in the clear so long as we treat our prisoners better than the Huns would have done? Setting the bar pretty low there, aren't you, troll?

Fail for you too.

WTF are you blathering about, azweepay? You mean he was trolling??? Oh, if only I had been blessed with your godlike insight!


No... StopArrestingMe only posts one thing: word games. He posts a block of text that looks like a rant that is in fact a word-finder game with some kind of theme, like 80's rock bands.

Welcome to fark, please pick up an informative brochure on your way in.
 
2010-03-01 01:34:10 AM  

jst3p: queezyweezel: And none of the people responsible for his false imprisonment will suffer any consequences......farking awesome system we have.

What country has a better one? Don't get me wrong, this kind of thing sucks but if I were being prosecuted I would rather have it happen here than anywhere else.


All systems are bad so don't bother doing anything.
 
2010-03-01 01:34:53 AM  
Also, embarrassing as it is, I can't find the theme this time.
Though I did see a movie title in there...
 
2010-03-01 01:37:12 AM  

dave2198: jst3p: queezyweezel: And none of the people responsible for his false imprisonment will suffer any consequences......farking awesome system we have.

What country has a better one? Don't get me wrong, this kind of thing sucks but if I were being prosecuted I would rather have it happen here than anywhere else.

All systems are bad so don't bother doing anything.


That's not what I said.
 
2010-03-01 01:38:38 AM  

gas giant: Also, embarrassing as it is, I can't find the theme this time.
Though I did see a movie title in there...


All I got was Ramon, d-block...

No idea what it is, but thats got to be one of them.
 
2010-03-01 01:39:06 AM  

dave2198: lumyai: dave2198: lumyai: StopArrestingMe: Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

Don't know much about Vedic Aryans, but the rest of those folks are kind of what my mind's eye summons when I think of the word "barbarian."

You really think we're in the clear so long as we treat our prisoners better than the Huns would have done? Setting the bar pretty low there, aren't you, troll?

Fail for you too.

WTF are you blathering about, azweepay? You mean he was trolling??? Oh, if only I had been blessed with your godlike insight!

No... StopArrestingMe only posts one thing: word games. He posts a block of text that looks like a rant that is in fact a word-finder game with some kind of theme, like 80's rock bands.

Welcome to fark, please pick up an informative brochure on your way in.


Interesting.

But, you've got to admit the post itself was pretty trolltastic. Does he normally structure his word games inside inflammatory posts?
 
2010-03-01 01:40:36 AM  

Baryogenesis: But, you've got to admit the post itself was pretty trolltastic. Does he normally structure his word games inside inflammatory posts?


Yes. It is part of the genius of it.
 
2010-03-01 01:40:51 AM  

Baryogenesis: You wouldn't want cops who can shoot first and ask questions later because it's more important for them to be safe then it is to prevent deaths.


No, I don't want cops like that. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Like when a guy's just been in an accident, and they shoot him so they don't have to get all bloody.
 
2010-03-01 01:42:18 AM  

get real: Jerry Wayne Johnson, you know with the middle name Wayne he was predestined to be a murderer/rapist etc.


Glad I'm not the only Chuck Shepherd fan around. Before FARK, there was News of the Weird.

But seriously, this sucks, and is the main reason I don't believe in the death penalty.

Link
 
2010-03-01 01:43:13 AM  

StopArrestingMe: Since none of you libs read the article I have to point out that he was NOT put to death he happened to die in prison. Who knows what happened. Maybe he killed himself because he was about to be housed with gay Ramon, d-blocks most infamous rapist. Or maybe he was terminally ill. Either way he wasnt executed so the system works. Was he innocent? Sure if you beleive the article, and maybe he did deserve a mistral, but even if his conviction was a crock, well its over. Done. And complaining about it gets us nowhere. This antiquated notion of letting 10 guilty men go free instead of punishing an innocent man is ridiculous in modern times. This is NOT some utopia where we can afford that luxury. If each of those 10 kills someone after being freed, the impact is obviously much greater then one person dying, so its collateral damage. Like Ben Franklin said, security is more important then freedom. And its a great deterrant. I grew up in Georgia and theres like no murders in Atlanta because people live in perpetual fear of the death penalty. So you nimrods can stay home and keep compalining from mommys basement but do NOT blame prosecutors, police or Rick Perry. All of you libs need to step into the 21st century and get with the times and your romantic notion of not punishing innocent people needs to end. If you want to complain about the government committing murder, sorry but that is NOT a sin. Taxing people, now thats a sin worth complaining about. So lets keep executing people. And also lets stop granting there last meal request because there victims didnt get to eat curry or steak or w/e before they died and neither should these guys. They should go straight to hell. Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?


there's a "palin"
 
2010-03-01 01:43:51 AM  

jst3p: dave2198: jst3p: queezyweezel: And none of the people responsible for his false imprisonment will suffer any consequences......farking awesome system we have.

What country has a better one? Don't get me wrong, this kind of thing sucks but if I were being prosecuted I would rather have it happen here than anywhere else.

All systems are bad so don't bother doing anything.

That's not what I said.


I know, but that's what those thoughts can lead to. People say that we've got the best system in the world, so there's no need to change it.

This argument has been used in....

criminal justice
health care
the military
equal rights
education
the 1988 US Men's basketball team
etc.
 
2010-03-01 01:44:47 AM  

jst3p: Yes. It is part of the genius of it.


Speaking of genius, our old friend Jakevol2 was about earlier. Man, that dude needs to get a sense of humor.
 
2010-03-01 01:45:47 AM  

untaken_name: Baryogenesis: You wouldn't want cops who can shoot first and ask questions later because it's more important for them to be safe then it is to prevent deaths.

No, I don't want cops like that. Unfortunately, that's what we have. Like when a guy's just been in an accident, and they shoot him so they don't have to get all bloody.


Reminds me of a joke.

A guy frantically calls 911 and says his friend seems be dead. He asks the operator what he should do. The operator responds, "Make sure he's dead, first." There's a brief pause and then the sound of a gunshot. The guy comes back on the phone and says, "Okay, now what?"
 
2010-03-01 01:46:14 AM  

AeAe: StopArrestingMe: Since none of you libs read the article I have to point out that he was NOT put to death he happened to die in prison. Who knows what happened. Maybe he killed himself because he was about to be housed with gay Ramon, d-blocks most infamous rapist. Or maybe he was terminally ill. Either way he wasnt executed so the system works. Was he innocent? Sure if you beleive the article, and maybe he did deserve a mistral, but even if his conviction was a crock, well its over. Done. And complaining about it gets us nowhere. This antiquated notion of letting 10 guilty men go free instead of punishing an innocent man is ridiculous in modern times. This is NOT some utopia where we can afford that luxury. If each of those 10 kills someone after being freed, the impact is obviously much greater then one person dying, so its collateral damage. Like Ben Franklin said, security is more important then freedom. And its a great deterrant. I grew up in Georgia and theres like no murders in Atlanta because people live in perpetual fear of the death penalty. So you nimrods can stay home and keep compalining from mommys basement but do NOT blame prosecutors, police or Rick Perry. All of you libs need to step into the 21st century and get with the times and your romantic notion of not punishing innocent people needs to end. If you want to complain about the government committing murder, sorry but that is NOT a sin. Taxing people, now thats a sin worth complaining about. So lets keep executing people. And also lets stop granting there last meal request because there victims didnt get to eat curry or steak or w/e before they died and neither should these guys. They should go straight to hell. Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

there's a "palin"


Maybe the category is "people who have quit their job as the Governor of Alaska."

I can't think of a second name, though...
 
2010-03-01 01:47:33 AM  

dave2198: AeAe: StopArrestingMe: Since none of you libs read the article I have to point out that he was NOT put to death he happened to die in prison. Who knows what happened. Maybe he killed himself because he was about to be housed with gay Ramon, d-blocks most infamous rapist. Or maybe he was terminally ill. Either way he wasnt executed so the system works. Was he innocent? Sure if you beleive the article, and maybe he did deserve a mistral, but even if his conviction was a crock, well its over. Done. And complaining about it gets us nowhere. This antiquated notion of letting 10 guilty men go free instead of punishing an innocent man is ridiculous in modern times. This is NOT some utopia where we can afford that luxury. If each of those 10 kills someone after being freed, the impact is obviously much greater then one person dying, so its collateral damage. Like Ben Franklin said, security is more important then freedom. And its a great deterrant. I grew up in Georgia and theres like no murders in Atlanta because people live in perpetual fear of the death penalty. So you nimrods can stay home and keep compalining from mommys basement but do NOT blame prosecutors, police or Rick Perry. All of you libs need to step into the 21st century and get with the times and your romantic notion of not punishing innocent people needs to end. If you want to complain about the government committing murder, sorry but that is NOT a sin. Taxing people, now thats a sin worth complaining about. So lets keep executing people. And also lets stop granting there last meal request because there victims didnt get to eat curry or steak or w/e before they died and neither should these guys. They should go straight to hell. Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

there's a "palin"

Maybe the category is "people who have quit their job as the Governor of Alaska."

I can't think of a second name, though...


I can't believe I lol'd at that. must be feeling punchy.
 
2010-03-01 01:48:04 AM  

dave2198: the 1988 US Men's basketball team


Ouch. Come on, The Admiral can only carry so many dudes at once.
 
2010-03-01 01:49:49 AM  

dave2198: lumyai: dave2198: lumyai: StopArrestingMe: Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

Don't know much about Vedic Aryans, but the rest of those folks are kind of what my mind's eye summons when I think of the word "barbarian."

You really think we're in the clear so long as we treat our prisoners better than the Huns would have done? Setting the bar pretty low there, aren't you, troll?

Fail for you too.

WTF are you blathering about, azweepay? You mean he was trolling??? Oh, if only I had been blessed with your godlike insight!

No... StopArrestingMe only posts one thing: word games. He posts a block of text that looks like a rant that is in fact a word-finder game with some kind of theme, like 80's rock bands.

Welcome to fark, please pick up an informative brochure on your way in.


OK, so I've been humbled. There's a chink in my Fark armor. (How am I going to get him out?)

Oh, and don't think I won't be watching you. Don't slip up, dave!
 
2010-03-01 01:50:19 AM  

AeAe: dave2198: AeAe: StopArrestingMe: Since none of you libs read the article I have to point out that he was NOT put to death he happened to die in prison. Who knows what happened. Maybe he killed himself because he was about to be housed with gay Ramon, d-blocks most infamous rapist. Or maybe he was terminally ill. Either way he wasnt executed so the system works. Was he innocent? Sure if you beleive the article, and maybe he did deserve a mistral, but even if his conviction was a crock, well its over. Done. And complaining about it gets us nowhere. This antiquated notion of letting 10 guilty men go free instead of punishing an innocent man is ridiculous in modern times. This is NOT some utopia where we can afford that luxury. If each of those 10 kills someone after being freed, the impact is obviously much greater then one person dying, so its collateral damage. Like Ben Franklin said, security is more important then freedom. And its a great deterrant. I grew up in Georgia and theres like no murders in Atlanta because people live in perpetual fear of the death penalty. So you nimrods can stay home and keep compalining from mommys basement but do NOT blame prosecutors, police or Rick Perry. All of you libs need to step into the 21st century and get with the times and your romantic notion of not punishing innocent people needs to end. If you want to complain about the government committing murder, sorry but that is NOT a sin. Taxing people, now thats a sin worth complaining about. So lets keep executing people. And also lets stop granting there last meal request because there victims didnt get to eat curry or steak or w/e before they died and neither should these guys. They should go straight to hell. Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?

there's a "palin"

Maybe the category is "people who have quit their job as the Governor of Alaska."

I can't think of a second name, though...

I can't believe I lol'd at that. must be feeling punchy.


The Ben Franklin thing seems curious.. Ben said 'he who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither'.. so SAM's quote is completely off..
 
2010-03-01 01:51:40 AM  

cc_rider: get real: Jerry Wayne Johnson, you know with the middle name Wayne he was predestined to be a murderer/rapist etc.

Glad I'm not the only Chuck Shepherd fan around. Before FARK, there was News of the Weird.

But seriously, this sucks, and is the main reason I don't believe in the death penalty.

Link


I miss News of the Weird in my local weekly paper.

Wayne is definitely the middle name of bad people.
 
2010-03-01 01:59:34 AM  
I did a little reading on this case.

Apparently, when questioned about the rape, Michele Mallin testified that the rapist smoked heavily both during the kidnapping and the rape itself. They had picked up Tim Cole and put him in front of her in a lineup. She picked him out.

However, Tim Cole never smoked. In fact he had severe asthma that required constant monitoring and treatment and smoking was something he just physically couldn't do.

They didn't tell her that and they prosecuted him anyway, even though it was obvious that he couldn't have been the man.

And you know what he died of in prison? A severe asthma attack. The circle is complete.
 
2010-03-01 02:00:33 AM  

dave2198: collateral damage


There are more.
 
2010-03-01 02:03:20 AM  

gas giant: There are more.


Meant to have SAM first in the quote.
There are a few action flicks in there though.
 
2010-03-01 02:05:06 AM  
Well I'm new to FARK- thought SAM was a hater so I put it straight and linked to stone cold facts. Had no idea it was a game and that I'd get my very first FAIL. Ha ha. Whatever, I love mysteries. I caught the Palin typo. Is it significant that there are no apostrophe's in the rant? I have no reference
on SAM's grammar skills, but anyone who forges a rep for word games likely can spell an puncuate and such. I mean he missed every single apostrophe in that post. It's so funny that an inmate in Texas dying results in me playing word games in NJ at 2:00AM with total strangers.
 
2010-03-01 02:05:56 AM  
Damn. That is a shame about his false conviction.

I wonder what the testimony of the witness was.I just wrapped up with the Texas bar exam, the state requires corroborating evidence for witness testimony in sexual assault cases (at least now, I would also presume that to be the case at the time of conviction.) That cuts down on 'he said, she said' cases and general poor witness recollection. Even if this guy was innocent, there had to be something going against him (aside from usual 'hey he was a black guy in Texas' snark.)

I'm just grateful DNA evidence is now cheap enough and strong enough now that we will have fewer errors like this.

I hope Cole's family will find solace in the official recognition of this error. It may not bring back the man, but at least it does something to restore his dignity.
 
2010-03-01 02:07:46 AM  

jonnya: Well I'm new to FARK- thought SAM was a hater so I put it straight and linked to stone cold facts. Had no idea it was a game and that I'd get my very first FAIL. Ha ha. Whatever, I love mysteries. I caught the Palin typo. Is it significant that there are no apostrophe's in the rant? I have no reference
on SAM's grammar skills, but anyone who forges a rep for word games likely can spell an puncuate and such. I mean he missed every single apostrophe in that post. It's so funny that an inmate in Texas dying results in me playing word games in NJ at 2:00AM with total strangers.


He is highly intelligent and plays fast and loose with spelling and grammar because otherwise some of them would stick out. This one has me really stumped thus far and I should be going to bed as I have to be up for basketball in 5 hours then off to work...
 
2010-03-01 02:10:09 AM  

jonnya: Well I'm new to FARK- thought SAM was a hater so I put it straight and linked to stone cold facts. Had no idea it was a game and that I'd get my very first FAIL. Ha ha. Whatever, I love mysteries. I caught the Palin typo. Is it significant that there are no apostrophe's in the rant? I have no reference
on SAM's grammar skills, but anyone who forges a rep for word games likely can spell an puncuate and such. I mean he missed every single apostrophe in that post. It's so funny that an inmate in Texas dying results in me playing word games in NJ at 2:00AM with total strangers.


Yes.. I thought SAM's Boobies that I read was troll-tastic (racism, homophobia, everthing was in there).. until I saw there was more to it.. very clever, this guy.
 
2010-03-01 02:11:33 AM  
Boobies? stupid filter. that was supposed to be "Boobies
 
2010-03-01 02:12:08 AM  

AeAe: Boobies? stupid filter. that was supposed to be "Boobies


You are getting an education in fark today.
 
2010-03-01 02:12:20 AM  

AeAe: Boobies? stupid filter. that was supposed to be "Boobies


bah.
 
2010-03-01 02:13:11 AM  

Fano: cc_rider: get real: Jerry Wayne Johnson, you know with the middle name Wayne he was predestined to be a murderer/rapist etc.

Glad I'm not the only Chuck Shepherd fan around. Before FARK, there was News of the Weird.

But seriously, this sucks, and is the main reason I don't believe in the death penalty.

Link

I miss News of the Weird in my local weekly paper.

Wayne is definitely the middle name of bad people.


I wholeheartedly support the death penalty - so long as it fits the criteria:

1) 2 eyewitnesses
2) Physical evidence that directly places the individual at the scene of the crime
3) A murder weapon

If one of those cannot be produced it's a life sentence with possibility of parole after 50 years.

If all three are confirmed: FARK lethal injection or hanging - firing squad.

/I'd also institute a 25-year minimum for forcible rape. If, by DNA evidence, you are found innocent $50,000 for each year incarcerated. Which is the same you would have made in the public sector. If you make more than that, a ceiling of $500,000 a year.

Teach those who apprehend the suspects and alleged perpetrators that if THEY fark up it farks EVERYONE up.

//Kind of the point of, "Civil servant".

///Why, yes, (Not John D.) Rockefeller was the smartest man to ever run for office, why do you ask?

////Liberal Republicans: "Don't hang him until we have proof of no pardon." Town Crier: "Ol' Stumpy McGubernator says let him swing!" LR: "Any last words?" Criminal: "I swear to you, I didn't kill that man." LR: "Understood. What should we do with your money if you're pardoned? Oh: No. Statues." Criminal: "Build something for the kids." LR: "Understood. Godspeed. Quick death. Forgive us if we're wrong." ::CLANK:: ::THUD::

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"

CORRECTED VERSION:

"Why do we kill people who kill people?" "Because THEY killed people who would have most likely never had a homicidal thought flow through their brain with the intent to act on it."

We don't kill people to show that killing people is wrong! We kill people to show that Justice is equal in all attributes. Justice dictates that the crime fit the punishment. Death = Death. Is that so hard to understand?
 
2010-03-01 02:14:00 AM  

gilgamesh23: They didn't tell her that and they prosecuted him anyway, even though it was obvious that he couldn't have been the man.


Okay. That makes prosecutors sound bad. But only because of their judgment in bringing the case, but not for failing to tell a witness a fact they should not know.

A witness isn't entitled to know things they don't perceive themselves. Hell, it would be misconduct to say, 'oh by the way, you weren't here for this, but we know fact X about Mr. defendant." Their testimony after that isn't their own and is unreliable.

If it is a good enough fact to indicate a defendant is innocent, then the case should not be brought.
 
2010-03-01 02:15:08 AM  

StopArrestingMe: Since none of you libs read the article I have to point out that he was NOT put to death he happened to die in prison. Who knows what happened. Maybe he killed himself because he was about to be housed with gay Ramon, d-blocks most infamous rapist. Or maybe he was terminally ill. Either way he wasnt executed so the system works. Was he innocent? Sure if you beleive the article, and maybe he did deserve a mistral, but even if his conviction was a crock, well its over. Done. And complaining about it gets us nowhere. This antiquated notion of letting 10 guilty men go free instead of punishing an innocent man is ridiculous in modern times. This is NOT some utopia where we can afford that luxury. If each of those 10 kills someone after being freed, the impact is obviously much greater then one person dying, so its collateral damage. Like Ben Franklin said, security is more important then freedom. And its a great deterrant. I grew up in Georgia and theres like no murders in Atlanta because people live in perpetual fear of the death penalty. So you nimrods can stay home and keep compalining from mommys basement but do NOT blame prosecutors, police or Rick Perry. All of you libs need to step into the 21st century and get with the times and your romantic notion of not punishing innocent people needs to end. If you want to complain about the government committing murder, sorry but that is NOT a sin. Taxing people, now thats a sin worth complaining about. So lets keep executing people. And also lets stop granting there last meal request because there victims didnt get to eat curry or steak or w/e before they died and neither should these guys. They should go straight to hell. Vedic aryans, Mongols, Huns, Vikings...all these great societies treated there prisoners "inhumanely". Why are we barbaric for doing the same?


M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!!!!!

/got nothing
 
2010-03-01 02:15:28 AM  
Geez, the reading comprehension is worse than usual in this thread.

Subby, he wasn't convicted of a rape and murder, just a rape. There was no murder.

He died in prison in 1999, he wasn't executed.

The other guy confessed to the rape in 1996. DNA was not reliable enough at that time to confirm his confession.

In 2008, DNA showed that this guy didn't commit the rape. However, he had already been dead for 9 years.

The article says nothing about what evidence this guy was convicted on, yet many Farkers are quick to assume some misconduct on the part of the police or prosecution was to blame. Most likely he was identified by the victim, and there was probably some other evidence that may have supported the identification. At any rate, there was enough evidence to convince a jury that he was gulty of the crime. Remember, this conviction occurred in 1986 before DNA testing was available.
 
2010-03-01 02:16:21 AM  

chapman: Damn. That is a shame about his false conviction.

I wonder what the testimony of the witness was.I just wrapped up with the Texas bar exam, the state requires corroborating evidence for witness testimony in sexual assault cases (at least now, I would also presume that to be the case at the time of conviction.) That cuts down on 'he said, she said' cases and general poor witness recollection. Even if this guy was innocent, there had to be something going against him (aside from usual 'hey he was a black guy in Texas' snark.)

I'm just grateful DNA evidence is now cheap enough and strong enough now that we will have fewer errors like this.

I hope Cole's family will find solace in the official recognition of this error. It may not bring back the man, but at least it does something to restore his dignity.


I think, like most cases (especially rape cases), it comes down to the unreliability of eyewitness and victim testimony. Believe it or not, people don't have a clear enough mind to remember details when they're experiencing the most horrific physical attack of their lives. They're more concerned with surviving and coping with the moment, and not so concerned with the man's face.

Add in the fact that the victim will play the moment over in their mind nonstop after the rape.... with the story changing along the way as the memory fades... By the time they get the victim on the stand 8 months later, she's not much of a witness.

I'm not saying we shouldn't believe victims... I'm saying you damn well better have other evidence to support her testimony, or you're not being responsible.

The woman has already been through a horrific attack. Don't make her be burdened with the conviction of an innocent man because you couldn't do your job.
 
2010-03-01 02:16:43 AM  

Jedekai: 1) 2 eyewitnesses
2) Physical evidence that directly places the individual at the scene of the crime
3) A murder weapon


Eyewitnesses are regarded by many in the legal system to be among the least reliable forms of evidence. I am pretty sure there are studies that support this.
 
2010-03-01 02:16:46 AM  

Mrbogey: Fon_Win: This is why i'm opposed to the death penalty. Mind you, i think child rapists and premeditated murderers deserve to die. I just question the ability of our justice system to convict the right person.

So what's the alternative? Put them in jail for 30-50 years? Right now they get thrown on death row for a good dozen or so years. You think you're going to walk right out of that without your entire life farked up?

If you're sure enough to subject someone to decades in prison you're sure enough to execute him. Torturer or executioner, you're not more moral one way than the other.


As long as they're permanently removed from society, what's the issue? As i recall most death penalty appeal cases last decades anyway... And a life sentence is cheaper (or so i've heard, but my stance is not financially based).

At least with a life term, an innocent man has the hope of release, instead of what i would a torturous lengthy appeal process of trying to fight off a hanging.
 
2010-03-01 02:21:11 AM  

CruiserTwelve: Geez, the reading comprehension is worse than usual in this thread.

Subby, he wasn't convicted of a rape and murder, just a rape. There was no murder.

He died in prison in 1999, he wasn't executed.

The other guy confessed to the rape in 1996. DNA was not reliable enough at that time to confirm his confession.

In 2008, DNA showed that this guy didn't commit the rape. However, he had already been dead for 9 years.

The article says nothing about what evidence this guy was convicted on, yet many Farkers are quick to assume some misconduct on the part of the police or prosecution was to blame. Most likely he was identified by the victim, and there was probably some other evidence that may have supported the identification. At any rate, there was enough evidence to convince a jury that he was gulty of the crime. Remember, this conviction occurred in 1986 before DNA testing was available.


I'd like to point to someone's earlier post about the witness stating the man smoked heavily the whole time... and that the guy who was convicted physically couldn't smoke due to severe asthma.

Does that change your perception?
 
2010-03-01 02:23:23 AM  

Jedekai: Fano: cc_rider: get real: Jerry Wayne Johnson, you know with the middle name Wayne he was predestined to be a murderer/rapist etc.

Glad I'm not the only Chuck Shepherd fan around. Before FARK, there was News of the Weird.

But seriously, this sucks, and is the main reason I don't believe in the death penalty.

Link

I miss News of the Weird in my local weekly paper.

Wayne is definitely the middle name of bad people.

I wholeheartedly support the death penalty - so long as it fits the criteria:

1) 2 eyewitnesses
2) Physical evidence that directly places the individual at the scene of the crime
3) A murder weapon

If one of those cannot be produced it's a life sentence with possibility of parole after 50 years.

If all three are confirmed: FARK lethal injection or hanging - firing squad.

/I'd also institute a 25-year minimum for forcible rape. If, by DNA evidence, you are found innocent $50,000 for each year incarcerated. Which is the same you would have made in the public sector. If you make more than that, a ceiling of $500,000 a year.

Teach those who apprehend the suspects and alleged perpetrators that if THEY fark up it farks EVERYONE up.

//Kind of the point of, "Civil servant".

///Why, yes, (Not John D.) Rockefeller was the smartest man to ever run for office, why do you ask?

////Liberal Republicans: "Don't hang him until we have proof of no pardon." Town Crier: "Ol' Stumpy McGubernator says let him swing!" LR: "Any last words?" Criminal: "I swear to you, I didn't kill that man." LR: "Understood. What should we do with your money if you're pardoned? Oh: No. Statues." Criminal: "Build something for the kids." LR: "Understood. Godspeed. Quick death. Forgive us if we're wrong." ::CLANK:: ::THUD::

"Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"

CORRECTED VERSION:

"Why do we kill people who kill people?" "Because THEY killed people who would have most likely never had a homicidal thought flow through their brain with the intent to act on it."

We don't kill people to show that killing people is wrong! We kill people to show that Justice is equal in all attributes. Justice dictates that the crime fit the punishment. Death = Death. Is that so hard to understand?


Save your breath. I will not moved by your weak troll-fu.
Anyway, I'm more interested in figuring out SAM's puzzle.
 
2010-03-01 02:23:30 AM  
 
2010-03-01 02:29:32 AM  

dave2198: CruiserTwelve: Geez, the reading comprehension is worse than usual in this thread.

Subby, he wasn't convicted of a rape and murder, just a rape. There was no murder.

He died in prison in 1999, he wasn't executed.

The other guy confessed to the rape in 1996. DNA was not reliable enough at that time to confirm his confession.

In 2008, DNA showed that this guy didn't commit the rape. However, he had already been dead for 9 years.

The article says nothing about what evidence this guy was convicted on, yet many Farkers are quick to assume some misconduct on the part of the police or prosecution was to blame. Most likely he was identified by the victim, and there was probably some other evidence that may have supported the identification. At any rate, there was enough evidence to convince a jury that he was gulty of the crime. Remember, this conviction occurred in 1986 before DNA testing was available.

I'd like to point to someone's earlier post about the witness stating the man smoked heavily the whole time... and that the guy who was convicted physically couldn't smoke due to severe asthma.

Does that change your perception?


Don't you understand who you're talking to? You could show a history of institutionalized abuse to C12, like what happened in the Houston crime lab, and he'd come back with some junk defending them. It's what he does. He's a living, posting example of the "thin blue wall".
 
2010-03-01 02:33:12 AM  

untaken_name: dave2198: CruiserTwelve: Geez, the reading comprehension is worse than usual in this thread.

Subby, he wasn't convicted of a rape and murder, just a rape. There was no murder.

He died in prison in 1999, he wasn't executed.

The other guy confessed to the rape in 1996. DNA was not reliable enough at that time to confirm his confession.

In 2008, DNA showed that this guy didn't commit the rape. However, he had already been dead for 9 years.

The article says nothing about what evidence this guy was convicted on, yet many Farkers are quick to assume some misconduct on the part of the police or prosecution was to blame. Most likely he was identified by the victim, and there was probably some other evidence that may have supported the identification. At any rate, there was enough evidence to convince a jury that he was gulty of the crime. Remember, this conviction occurred in 1986 before DNA testing was available.

I'd like to point to someone's earlier post about the witness stating the man smoked heavily the whole time... and that the guy who was convicted physically couldn't smoke due to severe asthma.

Does that change your perception?

Don't you understand who you're talking to? You could show a history of institutionalized abuse to C12, like what happened in the Houston crime lab, and he'd come back with some junk defending them. It's what he does. He's a living, posting example of the "thin blue wall".


No, dave2198 certainly knew who he was talking to. He has an encyclopedic knowledge of all things Fark, right dave?
 
2010-03-01 02:34:35 AM  

CruiserTwelve: The article says nothing about what evidence this guy was convicted on, yet many Farkers are quick to assume some misconduct on the part of the police or prosecution was to blame. Most likely he was identified by the victim, and there was probably some other evidence that may have supported the identification. At any rate, there was enough evidence to convince a jury that he was gulty of the crime. Remember, this conviction occurred in 1986 before DNA testing was available.


So it's all good then?
 
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