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(Mother Nature Network)   We may have figured out a way to kill off mosquitoes once and for all. Wait a minute, why are all the animals in the food chain systematically starting to disappear? Ah who cares, outdoor BBQ anyone?   (mnn.com) divider line 184
    More: Interesting, mosquitoes, genetically engineer, dengue fever, reproduction, flu-like symptoms, abdominal pain, National Institutes of Health, Orrin Hatch  
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2010-02-27 08:48:13 AM  
Um, subby. Where in TFA does it say anything about dying animals? I'm not aware of any creature that is dependent on mosquitoes for survival.
 
2010-02-27 09:27:28 AM  
Crosshair: Um, subby. Where in TFA does it say anything about dying animals? I'm not aware of any creature that is dependent on mosquitoes for survival.

Mosquito Predators

There are a number of insects and small animals that are natural predators of the mosquito. To fully appreciate these animals it is best to know how they can help to reduce the number of mosquitos. That way, instead of treating them like another annoyance, we can encourage them, to a certain degree, in order to control the pesky mosquitoes. Here is a list of the mosquito's natural enemies, together with some interesting facts:

• Mosquitofish: eats both plant and animal life

* According to some studies, a single mosquito fish can eat up to 50 mosquito larvae in half an hour and a maximum of 168 in an eight hour period.
* They are the best choice right now because they can tolerate various temperature changes in the water, poor environments, and organic waters.

• Guppy:

* Like the mosquito fish, guppies have the ability to endure significant levels of chemical and organic pollutants in the water that would cause other fish to die.
* The guppy can tolerate some changes in water temperature, but not as drastic as the mosquitofish.

• Dragonfly:

* Normally, the dragonfly's prey is caught in the air and eaten in flight.
* It consumes large numbers of mosquitoes.

• Birds:

* Several specific species of birds eat mosquitoes.
* Birds adapt their diet when there is a higher concentration of mosquitoes.
* Water fowl consume mosquito larvae in their normal diets.

• Bats:

* Most bat species feed after dark or at dusk.
* Some experts estimated that one bat can eat between 600 to 1000 insects, mosquitoes included, within a period of one hour.

Link (new window)

Any change near the bottom of the food chain can caused havoc.
 
2010-02-27 09:33:12 AM  
Food chain, shmood chain. Fark 'em.
 
2010-02-27 09:43:46 AM  
Adman12: Any change near the bottom of the food chain can caused havoc.

Look, you elitist. You're not getting it. I'm not aware of them, which means none of that's true. That's the problem with you ivory tower liberals--you just want to assume the common man's common-sense approach to things is always wrong. Always stupid. Well I'll tell you what. You just take your self-serving pseudo science liberal hogwash and throw it in a global-warming-created snowdrift. OK smart guy?
 
2010-02-27 09:47:22 AM  
Pocket Ninja: Adman12: Any change near the bottom of the food chain can caused havoc.

Look, you elitist. You're not getting it. I'm not aware of them, which means none of that's true. That's the problem with you ivory tower liberals--you just want to assume the common man's common-sense approach to things is always wrong. Always stupid. Well I'll tell you what. You just take your self-serving pseudo science liberal hogwash and throw it in a global-warming-created snowdrift. OK smart guy?


My God, it's full of win.
 
2010-02-27 09:48:12 AM  
Barbecued mosquito wings?

...

Oh, hell, I'll try anything once.
 
2010-02-27 10:04:26 AM  
Coming up in this thread: !!!!!

People who don't understand biology.
 
2010-02-27 10:05:51 AM  
There's some relevant Simpsons quote I can't remember.
 
2010-02-27 10:07:35 AM  
I'm a little bit for getting rid of stuff at the top of the food chain and working our way down. That would solve all of our problems.
 
2010-02-27 10:08:09 AM  
cryinoutloud: Coming up in this thread: !!!!!

People who don't understand biology.


www.gemzies.com

????????
 
2010-02-27 10:08:28 AM  
Yes, because eradicating mosquitoes has literally been a pox on the world. Certainly, death and disease came quickly to those areas that took an active approach in reducing their numbers.
 
2010-02-27 10:08:34 AM  
Fark mosquitoes. Far better species have gone extinct.
 
2010-02-27 10:10:34 AM  
Problem for the future.Fry the bastards.
 
2010-02-27 10:11:22 AM  
mosquitos suck

As a side note I have watched a hummingbird hover around grabbing them from the air. Never heard of that before.

/was cool bro'
 
2010-02-27 10:14:22 AM  
I gotta agree with the above statements - I too do not know of any species that SOLEY relies on the little blood suckers to exist... If so, perhaps they too should be cast to the past. Creatures of all kinds evolve and or die out. I'm in the camp of those who wish their grandchildren will never know what a mosquito is...
 
2010-02-27 10:14:36 AM  
Meh, call me when they genetically engineer dogs with wings.
 
2010-02-27 10:14:44 AM  
I didnt read anything about killing the pesky things.

/headline fail
 
2010-02-27 10:16:53 AM  
harvster: mosquitos suck

I don't know whether or not this is a comment that officially deserves the bum-da-CHA or not... but just to be on the safe side:

i210.photobucket.com

Benefit of the doubt and everything.
 
2010-02-27 10:18:20 AM  
Yeah, just read TFA

Genetically mutating things in the wild may not be such a good idea..
Another problem with the theory - don't the females NEED to bite to reproduce?? So how are they going to take over the wild population if the females can't fly to bite?? Whole theory seems a little doomed.
 
2010-02-27 10:18:23 AM  
A Sound of Thunder taught me that killing one small insect could potentially destroy the world, or something like that.

Nothing like a Saturday morning and reading a mad scientist article about creating a new species.
 
2010-02-27 10:18:38 AM  
Pocket Ninja: Adman12: Any change near the bottom of the food chain can caused havoc.

Look, you elitist. You're not getting it. I'm not aware of them, which means none of that's true. That's the problem with you ivory tower liberals--you just want to assume the common man's common-sense approach to things is always wrong. Always stupid. Well I'll tell you what. You just take your self-serving pseudo science liberal hogwash and throw it in a global-warming-created snowdrift. OK smart guy?


Pocket Ninja... i love you.
 
2010-02-27 10:18:49 AM  
This scheme will probably fail because the flightless females will have too much difficulty in getting the blood needed to incubate their eggs or finding still water to lay eggs. Darwinian factors will favor the flying females.

I wounder how much of our tax money was wasted on this scheme?
 
2010-02-27 10:19:55 AM  
D_Evans45: Meh, call me when they genetically engineer dogs with wings.

Call me when they engineer dogs with beesmosquitoes in their mouths, and when they bark, they shoot beesmosquitoes at you.
 
2010-02-27 10:19:57 AM  
Now when Floridians turn on the kitchen light they'll see cockroaches and flightless mosquitoes running for cover.
 
2010-02-27 10:27:29 AM  
Wert789: This scheme will probably fail because the flightless females will have too much difficulty in getting the blood needed to incubate their eggs or finding still water to lay eggs. Darwinian factors will favor the flying females.

I wounder how much of our tax money was wasted on this scheme?


My point exactly.
Another brilliant scientist with no common sense.
 
2010-02-27 10:28:21 AM  
Coming up in this thread--more internet halfwits who depend on bad tv shows and fiction novels to give them their ideas, aka Crichton's Revenge
 
2010-02-27 10:28:45 AM  
VW_Factor: I didnt read anything about killing the pesky things.

True, but their populations would surely diminish if the females can't fly, right?

There are lots and lots of different types of mosquitoes, only some of which bother humans. If we can just make it so that the ones that spread disease to humans are rendered semi-useless, shouldn't we? There would be plenty left for the birds and bats and such.

/The Law of Unintended Consequences does have the potential to be dramatic here.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:59 AM  
NakedApe: Now when Floridians turn on the kitchen light they'll see cockroaches and flightless mosquitoes running for cover.

After which they'll go outside to try and wash the squashed love bugs off the fronts of their cars.
 
2010-02-27 10:30:06 AM  
Nothing a little DDT can't handle.

What we should be focusing on is the extinction of roaches.
 
2010-02-27 10:30:58 AM  
VW_Factor: I didnt read anything about killing the pesky things.

/headline fail


I guess you envision flightless females walking on the ground, finding a mate, then finding mammalian blood sources, then jumping up on those blood sources to feed their eggs and do all this with the same efficiency as females that can fly?
 
2010-02-27 10:31:32 AM  
They're releasing male eggs. The modified males will mate with females and when they hatch male mosquitoes they will spread the disease, females will be unable to fly.

The goal is to have an army of males mate with bite-capable females until they all die out.
 
2010-02-27 10:33:44 AM  
itdood: VW_Factor: I didnt read anything about killing the pesky things.

/headline fail

I guess you envision flightless females walking on the ground, finding a mate, then finding mammalian blood sources, then jumping up on those blood sources to feed their eggs and do all this with the same efficiency as females that can fly?


All without being eaten first of course, 'cause ya know, they can run really fast.
 
2010-02-27 10:35:26 AM  
Why not just kill them off. Won't something just evolve to take their place? Isn't that how it works evolutionists?
 
2010-02-27 10:42:52 AM  
kuaq: They're releasing male eggs. The modified males will mate with females and when they hatch male mosquitoes they will spread the disease, females will be unable to fly.

The goal is to have an army of males mate with bite-capable females until they all die out.


Will the males prefer the handicapped females? (anti-evolution theory)
It'll take a lot of them to take over.
 
2010-02-27 10:42:57 AM  
Clete Orris: cryinoutloud: Coming up in this thread: !!!!!

People who don't understand biology.



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That's a considerable percentage, especially if you take into account that about half of the teens are male.
 
2010-02-27 10:46:55 AM  
Someone should have consulted Darwin first. I suspect the lack of wings will ultimately lead to a breeding disadvantage in the wild, after some initial success. Only a small number of the creepier, pervier mosquitos will be attracted to them. Kind of like porno with legless women.
 
2010-02-27 10:47:40 AM  
img12.imageshack.us

/obligatory.
 
2010-02-27 10:50:15 AM  
To those who question whether any species relies solely on mosquitoes, keep in mind that nature tends to keep things balanced out by not providing an abundance of food. You take away one source, i.e. mosquitoes, then it's not guaranteed that there will be another animal to replace it. Or, the ones that used to eat mosquitoes now eat another animal's food, leaving them short, and the cycle continues. I'm sure this has happened in cases where we drove an animal or plant to extinction.

Every so often you read an article by some whiner who lost a crapload of money over the DDT ban complain that it resulted in malaria running amok. I don't exactly associate the sources, such as WND or Reason, with caring about anyone but Americans.
 
2010-02-27 10:51:10 AM  
Crosshair: Um, subby. Where in TFA does it say anything about dying animals? I'm not aware of any creature that is dependent on mosquitoes for survival.

Are you farking farked in the smurf? Many famines have been caused by killing off mosquitoes. You can even link the use to DDT to the population explosion that had apocalyptic consequences for Sri Lanka (and caused a civil war there). In North America, mosquito nymphs also clean water systems of pollutants that otherwise go into the food you eat.
 
2010-02-27 10:52:43 AM  
Since the article-- which is about breeding flightless female mosquitoes-- doesn't mention anything dying, and explicitly states that there is no harmful environmental effects; I'm not sure what subby's getting all apoplectic about.
 
2010-02-27 10:54:28 AM  
Mosquitos feast primarily on blood, which means that mosquitos themselves are very rich in protein. A LOT of animal species rely upon mosquitos for survival. Mosquitos may not be their ONLY food, but it's significant enough that it could cause other animal species to die out. Eradicating them would probably cause a LOT of problems throughout virtually every ecosystem out there.
 
2010-02-27 10:54:39 AM  
Wert789: This scheme will probably fail because the flightless females will have too much difficulty in getting the blood needed to incubate their eggs or finding still water to lay eggs. Darwinian factors will favor the flying females.

I wounder how much of our tax money was wasted on this scheme?


You can't just release them once, you have to do it every year for many years. Then eventually the non-flying female population will take over.

Also the males still can fly, so it does not completely eliminate them as a food source.

Not sure what the non-flying females will feed on. Snakes and mice maybe. Be nice to just have to wear DET treated socks.
 
2010-02-27 10:55:44 AM  
Adman12: Pocket Ninja: Adman12: Any change near the bottom of the food chain can caused havoc.

Look, you elitist. You're not getting it. I'm not aware of them, which means none of that's true. That's the problem with you ivory tower liberals--you just want to assume the common man's common-sense approach to things is always wrong. Always stupid. Well I'll tell you what. You just take your self-serving pseudo science liberal hogwash and throw it in a global-warming-created snowdrift. OK smart guy?

My God, it's full of win.


Ya, dude. I was going to come in here and make a statement about how I don't believe the food chain would be messed up by the extinction of mosquitoes, but that is one beautiful troll.

10/10
 
2010-02-27 10:58:33 AM  
Bennie Crabtree: Crosshair: Um, subby. Where in TFA does it say anything about dying animals? I'm not aware of any creature that is dependent on mosquitoes for survival.

Are you farking farked in the smurf? Many famines have been caused by killing off mosquitoes. You can even link the use to DDT to the population explosion that had apocalyptic consequences for Sri Lanka (and caused a civil war there). In North America, mosquito nymphs also clean water systems of pollutants that otherwise go into the food you eat.


Wait, so your saying we should keep mosquitoes alive because they kill people who would otherwise overbreed, exhaust their food supply and die of famine.

THAT'S PRICELESS!! Thanks for supplying a little gem of addlepated liberal humor. Even if you're trolling, that's a good one.
 
2010-02-27 10:58:55 AM  
"What doesn't kill me makes me stronger."

That's right. This will result in a new breed of unkillable super mosquitos. Or perhaps zombie mosquitos.
 
2010-02-27 11:00:25 AM  
Well, as long as they say it's harmless...
 
2010-02-27 11:00:50 AM  
harvster: Another problem with the theory - don't the females NEED to bite to reproduce?? So how are they going to take over the wild population if the females can't fly to bite?? Whole theory seems a little doomed.

I was wondering that myself - it won't be a selective advantage
 
2010-02-27 11:01:41 AM  
Why not genetically modify the mosquitoes to bite OTHER MOSQUITOES! Then the mosquitoes will be so annoyed with mosquitoes the mosquito scientists will come up with a zany scheme to eliminate ALL THE MOSQUITOES! Once they realize the flaw in their plan, it will be too late.

/you've killed US!
//mosquito
 
2010-02-27 11:02:32 AM  
Fluffy_the_cactus: Mosquitos feast primarily on blood, which means that mosquitos themselves are very rich in protein. A LOT of animal species rely upon mosquitos for survival. Mosquitos may not be their ONLY food, but it's significant enough that it could cause other animal species to die out. Eradicating them would probably cause a LOT of problems throughout virtually every ecosystem out there.

They truly are the robin hoods of nature. Stealing nutrients from the rich big animals and giving them to the poor small animals.
 
2010-02-27 11:02:46 AM  
Fluffy_the_cactus: Mosquitos feast primarily on blood, which means that mosquitos themselves are very rich in protein. A LOT of animal species rely upon mosquitos for survival. Mosquitos may not be their ONLY food, but it's significant enough that it could cause other animal species to die out. Eradicating them would probably cause a LOT of problems throughout virtually every ecosystem out there.

Female mosquitos only drink blood so that they can lay eggs. Mostly they drink nectar, iirc.
 
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