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2010-02-27 09:04:04 AM
No submittard, not silly. Those ultra-bright blue-tinted lights are terrible for other drivers' night vision and have been rightly banned.
 
2010-02-27 09:04:33 AM
Don't they come standard on higher end cars, like Lexus and Mercedes?

So my car is illegal now?

FU
 
2010-02-27 09:06:36 AM
They are dangerous. Not for the driver, of course, but for the oncoming drivers who now can't see the center line.
 
2010-02-27 09:07:29 AM
I wish ALL states did this.
 
2010-02-27 09:07:48 AM
MrKraclenutz: like Lexus and Mercedes?

Those are not as blue as the ones they are talking about in the article. The cheapies from autozone are practically headlights with blue gels over them.

MrKraclenutz: So my car is illegal now?

Don't worry, you don't own either.
 
2010-02-27 09:08:07 AM

Tennessee cops confused by newfangled brighter headlights, will issue tickets


In the deep south, "bright" = "suspicious".


:-)
 
2010-02-27 09:09:15 AM
The War on Rice continues....
 
2010-02-27 09:10:08 AM
Blue headlights aren't just illegal in TN. And for good reason.
 
2010-02-27 09:10:23 AM
FTFA: Only law enforcement vehicles are allowed lighting that appears blue...

Yeah man. You really just don't try to steal another group's gang colours like that.
 
2010-02-27 09:10:30 AM
MrKraclenutz: Don't they come standard on higher end cars, like Lexus and Mercedes?

So my car is illegal now?

FU


First of all, you shouldn't have bought some overpriced Toyota. Second of all, it was most likely the douchebag dealer who put those lights in. Third of all, I'm tired of having to STOP while driving in a 55 zone because I cannot see beyond what your headlights are illuminating.
 
2010-02-27 09:10:44 AM
About damn time.
 
2010-02-27 09:11:58 AM
Minez come from the factory like that.


www.bmw.com
 
2010-02-27 09:11:58 AM
14years: About damn time.

Agree, I hate those headlights.
 
2010-02-27 09:12:02 AM
This was a dumb greenlight. These are aftermarket bulbs, not stock HID units. It's not like the highway patrol was ticketing people for using the headlights that came in their vehicles from the factory. These are from Autozone and other accessory shiatholes like that.

Nothing to see here.
 
2010-02-27 09:12:43 AM
Can we just go back to lanterns carried by a person in front of your car?
 
2010-02-27 09:13:02 AM
Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.
 
2010-02-27 09:13:55 AM
14years: About damn time.
this
 
2010-02-27 09:16:12 AM
There's different kinds of "blue headlights." There's the real deal HIDs which are the ones that come on Mercs and Lexi and actually do work well, although NHTSA has made them more offensive than they need to be by not explicitly allowing lights that meet ECE standards and instead insist on the old, inferior, US-specific beam pattern and also by not mandating self levelers like are required in Europe.

Then there's the blue tinted halogen bulbs, which are pretty much uniformly crap, and to compensate, ricers often use illegal overwattage bulbs to compensate so that they can actually see at night, thus exacerbating the problem of the fundamentally poor beam pattern of their headlights. They also are advertised as "HID-look" despite looking nothing like real HIDs

A third, but fortunately rarer lighting mistake is someone shoving a HID capsule in a reflector/lens assembly designed for H4 or other halogen bulbs. These work, kind of, but the difference in the orientation/placement of the H4 filament and the light source of the HID capsule plays holy hell with the beam pattern, thereby making the lights a) more glaring to oncoming traffic and b) less useful for the driver (although due to the brightness of the HID he probably still can see better than before he "upgraded" and the difference in color between his headlights and the other lighting around makes "his" lighting more distinct where it hits the road/other objects, thus convincing him farther that his headlights f'ing rawk.)

more here:

Link (new window)

Now TFA was so badly written that I haven't a clue which of the above are targets of enforcement and which are not, but I'd hope that it is the latter two, since while not all factory installed HIDs are that great (neither are all factory installed conventional halogen-incandescent headlights for that matter) they are all explicitly legal to use on public roads, and it's not reasonable to expect someone to modify their car simply because a cop doesn't like his headlights.

/have "illegal" headlights on two of my cars
//Cibie 7" E-codes with relay harnesses, biatches
///hey, they're legal in Germany, that's good enough for me
////no blue bulbs for me, I like to see
//saw a Pathfinder with GREEN headlights the other day. WTF?
 
2010-02-27 09:17:10 AM
DarknessTigerpaw: I wish ALL states did this.

Me too. I hate those lights!!
 
2010-02-27 09:17:27 AM
Let me side with the "about damn time" group. I hate those f*cking things.
 
2010-02-27 09:18:28 AM
Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.


So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.
 
2010-02-27 09:19:18 AM
Engelbert Slaptyback:
In the deep south, "bright" = "suspicious".

In the North, "loud" = "bright."
 
2010-02-27 09:21:56 AM
I put strobe lights on my car so it looks like I'm going really fast.
 
2010-02-27 09:22:22 AM
Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.


The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon
 
2010-02-27 09:24:23 AM
oh, has the "Altezza" taillight thing played out yet? I'd like to know.

/and while we're at it, why don't all these ricer lighting peoples actually come up with a LED-based replacement for a P21/5W that actually WORKS? that would be an actual improvement, not something "different for the sake of being different."
 
2010-02-27 09:25:52 AM
Who the F approved those headlights for road use in the first place?

/Hurt my eyes.
 
2010-02-27 09:27:28 AM
FTA:
These lights are purchased at auto supply stores and, according to the THP, are illegal.

That's some fine reporting there. They couldn't have actually, you know, checked on the law themselves? They just take the police's word for it?
 
2010-02-27 09:28:00 AM
I think the problem is not the color, but the idiots who install the "after market" bulbs do not bother to aim them properly. ANY bulb will blind oncoming drivers if not adjusted properly.
 
2010-02-27 09:28:57 AM
I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.
 
2010-02-27 09:28:59 AM
Seacop:
Just keep your eyes on the road.
I learned to drive on a very twisty bit of highway (17, between Santa Cruz and San Jose) where drivers use their brights for too long, headlights are improperly angled up too far, and yes, all shades and intensities of blue and other colors of headlights shine brightly and in abundance. I learned to keep my eyes on the road and not to be distracted by whatever is going on on the other side of the barrier.

I don't like the blue lights either but I ignore them instead of staring directly at them only to be angry at the light. It's you. Learn to drive.
 
2010-02-27 09:29:30 AM
This article must be a hoax, we all know cars in TN don't have working headlights.

"It's getting dark out Jim Bob, hand me when of them light stick things and shine yours down the road."
 
2010-02-27 09:31:28 AM

Those blinding ultra bright light bars the cops use should be banned too but who's going to write the cops a ticket?

i236.photobucket.com
 
2010-02-27 09:31:31 AM
While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.
 
2010-02-27 09:34:41 AM
myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.
 
2010-02-27 09:36:33 AM
chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.


Ironically, most cars with fog lights won't allow you to turn on the fog lights unless you turn on the headlights too.
 
2010-02-27 09:37:04 AM
lajimi: Those blinding ultra bright light bars the cops use should be banned too but who's going to write the cops a ticket?

I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.

Also, if a cop has someone pulled over and you're coming at him from the opposite direction, because those f'ing "takedown lights" HURT.
 
2010-02-27 09:37:16 AM
chewd: And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.



Not true at all.

You just are not supposed to use the high beams as the light will simply reflect back at you.

Regular headlights are used.
 
2010-02-27 09:37:57 AM
stiletto_the_wise: FTA:
These lights are purchased at auto supply stores and, according to the THP, are illegal.

That's some fine reporting there. They couldn't have actually, you know, checked on the law themselves? They just take the police's word for it?


The URL is officer.com - I imagine it's a very pro-cop bias over there.

/Hate those damn lights as well
 
2010-02-27 09:38:17 AM
jxb465: Ironically, most cars with fog lights won't allow you to turn on the fog lights unless you turn on the headlights too.



That is designed that way for a reason.
 
2010-02-27 09:38:24 AM
jxb465: chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.

Ironically, most cars with fog lights won't allow you to turn on the fog lights unless you turn on the headlights too.


Every one I've had allows you to use the fog lights with either parking lights only or low beams, but the fogs will go off if you switch to high beam, which is the correct implementation (legally, you can't have more than four bright lights lit on the front of your car at once.)
 
2010-02-27 09:38:32 AM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


The "truck" pick-up I drive, is for my business. It's pretty much a one seater, because of all the parts I carry. Silly....
 
2010-02-27 09:40:19 AM
I wish there was a device that could be pointed at the farkers with those things that would immediately incinerate them. It's awesome you can see for miles, never mind everyone in your vicinity is blind.
 
2010-02-27 09:41:06 AM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.
 
2010-02-27 09:41:18 AM
I'm pretty sure this is about neither "stock" HID lighting that comes from the car manufacturers nor is it about aftermarket halogens with gels and bumped up wattage. I'm pretty sure this is more about aftermarket HID with a high color temperature. 4300k and 6000k are fairly standard. 8000k, 10000k, and 12000k are increasingly bluish, decreasingly useful as headlights because of decreased light output, and universally popular with retardo ricers.
 
2010-02-27 09:42:28 AM
They're not referring to the bluish tinted HID lights you see in some high end cars...these are $20 cheapos that blind the crap out of people unnecessarily...usually you see idiot ricers with 'em.
 
2010-02-27 09:42:37 AM
I can almost count on getting a migraine if I look into those blue lights. A lot of the mexicans around here install them. Don't know if they're illegal here or not (lights not the mexicans. Although I'm sure there are a lot of illegals here).

Had a 76 Harley that was stock with 45w55w headlight. Installed a 45w100w (illegal). Lit up the ditches. Not difficult to get oncoming vehicles to dim their lights.
 
2010-02-27 09:42:55 AM
Good and about damned time. May this spread to other states quickly.
 
2010-02-27 09:44:54 AM
I am all for it. Not only for my sake but for my Mom's sake as well. They really mess her up. Hook them up on an alternate circuit to headlights like fog lights, which is what they are for. The rest of the time put lil tiny KC smiley face covers on your Lexus that would be so sick.
 
2010-02-27 09:45:03 AM
aagrajag: FTFA: Only law enforcement vehicles are allowed lighting that appears blue...

Yeah man. You really just don't try to steal another group's gang colours like that.


win!
 
2010-02-27 09:47:30 AM
MrKraclenutz: Don't they come standard on higher end cars, like Lexus and Mercedes?

So my car is illegal now?

FU


yep... now you'll have to pimp your car out with just spinners and 27s.....
 
2010-02-27 09:51:14 AM
This About That: Good and about damned time. May this spread to other states quickly.



It is not really as much about the lights as it is about granting the police yet another reason to pull people over for and dish out "justice".

Soon they will get a reason to pull you over, and make sure everything else is in order.


First they came for the ricer idiots, and I did nothing because I was not a ricer idiot. Then they came for... blah blah
 
2010-02-27 09:53:36 AM
Auto Zone is headquartered in Memphis, TENNESSEE
 
2010-02-27 09:54:53 AM
just_dis_guy: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.


Are you saying that the focus of the light is sub par? I know these lights are brighter that my 2005. I just thought that people flashed at my because, most people use their bi beams (thinking I left mine on). I honestly forget to turn mine off, that why I usually don't use them.....
 
2010-02-27 09:57:05 AM
Englebert Slaptyback: Tennessee cops confused by newfangled brighter headlights, will issue tickets


In the deep south, "brightdark" = "suspicious".


:-)


FTFY.
 
2010-02-27 09:59:03 AM
just_dis_guy: They also are advertised as "HID-look" despite looking nothing like real HID

teh funz. so true so true.

it's funny seeing ricers sporting blue autozone headlamps. my STI (ricer) came with the "white" HID lights, there's just no comparison. halogen looks like halogen.
 
2010-02-27 10:01:08 AM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


i48.photobucket.com

/don't look into the deadlights!!!!
 
2010-02-27 10:01:23 AM
came for riced out car pics...leaving disappointed.
 
2010-02-27 10:01:59 AM
w00ty: my STI (ricer)



A real true STi is not a ricer. It is a legitimate beast to be respected.
 
2010-02-27 10:04:44 AM
Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: came for riced out car pics...leaving disappointed.


Wait! Don't leave... here


www.blogcdn.com
 
2010-02-27 10:08:17 AM
myth321: just_dis_guy: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.

Are you saying that the focus of the light is sub par? I know these lights are brighter that my 2005. I just thought that people flashed at my because, most people use their bi beams (thinking I left mine on). I honestly forget to turn mine off, that why I usually don't use them.....


I am guessing yes, I haven't actually noticed any issues with newer GM trucks. Or your headlights are simply aimed too high - do you carry a lot of heavy crap in the bed?

superior E-code beam pattern:

pff.hostkansas.com

the classic DOT beam pattern is just an oval of light. Obviously you can see how the E-code pattern allows you to put more light on the road without blinding oncoming traffic. Unfortunately NHTSA has been unwilling to get with the program, their defense of the old beam pattern, shiat you not, is that it makes reading unlit overhead signs too difficult. (never mind that I've been running E-codes for years and haven't had a problem, neither have all those drivers over in Europe with their "inferior" headlights.)
 
2010-02-27 10:09:48 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon


But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.
 
2010-02-27 10:10:07 AM
Phil Herup: w00ty: my STI (ricer)



A real true STi is not a ricer. It is a legitimate beast to be respected.


So's a Supra turbo, but if I had either, the basket handle would be the first thing to go.

/and just fscking shoot me if I ever have a car with an exhaust tip more than 3" in diameter, unless it's a Hemi-powered dragster.
 
2010-02-27 10:11:42 AM
Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.


So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"
 
2010-02-27 10:11:58 AM
just_dis_guy: jxb465: chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.

Ironically, most cars with fog lights won't allow you to turn on the fog lights unless you turn on the headlights too.

Every one I've had allows you to use the fog lights with either parking lights only or low beams, but the fogs will go off if you switch to high beam, which is the correct implementation (legally, you can't have more than four bright lights lit on the front of your car at once.)



Picard says that there are four lights.
img197.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-27 10:12:36 AM
Big Dave: Seacop:
Just keep your eyes on the road.
I learned to drive on a very twisty bit of highway (17, between Santa Cruz and San Jose) where drivers use their brights for too long, headlights are improperly angled up too far, and yes, all shades and intensities of blue and other colors of headlights shine brightly and in abundance. I learned to keep my eyes on the road and not to be distracted by whatever is going on on the other side of the barrier.

I don't like the blue lights either but I ignore them instead of staring directly at them only to be angry at the light. It's you. Learn to drive.


Angry? I just find them overly anoyying and could see how they would be an issue, why would you make a jackass out of yourself and assume I don't know how to drive?
 
2010-02-27 10:13:50 AM
Good. Next they can ticket all the jackasses with the non-functional self-levelers. Especially the ones that are too sensitive. That 'feature' combined with the blue light of TFA makes it look like a cop or fireman's behind me, or approaching.

Perhaps next week they'll get around to shooting the jackasses that tailgate. Tailgating at midnight, when they're one of two or four cars in a mile or more.

Then we can begin the enforcement of the laws about _aiming_ the farking headlights.

*grumble grumble*
 
2010-02-27 10:15:54 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"


no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.
 
2010-02-27 10:17:12 AM
Joe Donut: Good. Next they can ticket all the jackasses with the non-functional self-levelers.

Can't do it; self-levelers are not required in the US.

Write to NHTSA and biatch at them.

/seriously, do it. NHTSA has had its head up its colon for decades, ever since that shrill harpy Claybrook was named director
 
2010-02-27 10:18:20 AM
just_dis_guy: myth321: just_dis_guy: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.

Are you saying that the focus of the light is sub par? I know these lights are brighter that my 2005. I just thought that people flashed at my because, most people use their bi beams (thinking I left mine on). I honestly forget to turn mine off, that why I usually don't use them.....

I am guessing yes, I haven't actually noticed any issues with newer GM trucks. Or your headlights are simply aimed too high - do you carry a lot of heavy crap in the bed?

superior E-code beam pattern:



the classic DOT beam pattern is just an oval of light. Obviously you can see how the E-code pattern allows you to put more light on the road without blinding oncoming traffic. Unfortunately NHTSA has been unwilling to get with the program, their defense of the old beam pattern, shiat you not, is that it makes reading unlit overhead signs too difficult. (never mind that I've been running E-codes for years and haven't had a problem, neither have all those drivers over in Europe with their "inferior" headlights.)


I just have alot of bulky, parts, but not heavy. Someone told me that Chevy was " kicking the shiat out of the after market people."
I took that as Chevy was putting, better wipers, headlights, remote start, etc. All I know is that there is a big difference between the 2005's and the 2008's. Better ride, but still alot of thin plastic...
 
2010-02-27 10:21:04 AM
Phil Herup: Minez come from the factory like that.

Those are different. Those aren't bright enough that they blind drivers going in the opposite direction.

Also there should be government regulation on stationary headlights so people can't miss aim them and still blind the living day lights out of you.
 
2010-02-27 10:22:03 AM
just_dis_guy: So's a Supra turbo, but if I had either, the basket handle would be the first thing to go.



OH, yeah. The look of the car kept me away. They finally got smart and got rid of it.


I had an original E30 M3 for many years. I got hassled by the cops all the time. That rear deck spoiler was wicked for its day.
 
2010-02-27 10:23:54 AM
just_dis_guy: (legally, you can't have more than four bright lights lit on the front of your car at once.)

Um, the article is discussing Tennessee, where six to eight large halogen bulbs shining off the rollbar of the pickup for spotlighting deer is mandatory.
 
2010-02-27 10:23:57 AM
Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.


How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.
 
2010-02-27 10:23:59 AM
thefireandpassion: Those are different. Those aren't bright enough that they blind drivers going in the opposite direction.



They are bright as hell. What they are is perfectly focused and aimed so as not to blind anyone.

Mine move up and down on hills and move side to side as the wheel turns.

Very cool.
 
2010-02-27 10:24:50 AM
I would like to put people with those headlights in a dark room and torture them by forcing their eyes open and making them to view it at night for a few hours.

www-tc.pbs.org
 
2010-02-27 10:25:54 AM
Invisible Pedestrian: Englebert Slaptyback: Tennessee cops confused by newfangled brighter headlights, will issue tickets


In the deep south, "brightdark" = "suspiciousguilty".


:-)

FTFY.


Double FTFY

:-)
 
2010-02-27 10:28:43 AM
Phil Herup: just_dis_guy: So's a Supra turbo, but if I had either, the basket handle would be the first thing to go.



OH, yeah. The look of the car kept me away. They finally got smart and got rid of it.


I had an original E30 M3 for many years. I got hassled by the cops all the time. That rear deck spoiler was wicked for its day.


You can get a Wrex without the basket handle now? Awesome. Seems like every one I see has it, though.

For some reason the girlie has a serious jones for one, despite my trying to lead her down the path of Teutonic righteousness. I could handle having a Scooby in my driveway though, if it didn't have that egregious thing on the trunk lid. Especially if I got to test drive it occasionally. And by "occasionally" I mean "all the damn time."

/I'd just rationalize to myself that it was really a logical evolution of the Volkswagen, with some Audi technology thrown in for good measure
//at least it's not an Evo she's lusting after; I'd have to put my foot down about that one.
 
2010-02-27 10:28:58 AM
I was one of the first in my area to adopt HID on my bike.
Two things: they make about three times more light than the OEM bulb, and they use a third less current doing so.
These are an improvement over Halogens (remember when halogens weren't legal?)
The cops used the same reasons against Halogens as here.
They said the Halogens were too bright and would cause accidents
Things change all the time. It's why we have 12 volt systems on cars now, used to be strictly 6 volt automotive...
And why should bright bulbs be illegal?
Because they -might- blind oncoming drivers?
How about me hitting that fast moving deer that I just saw at 500 feet versus a 2500 feet miss (due to super bright bulbs).
Get real Tenndot. Grow a pair. You already use the highest wattage Halogens on the planet in your cruisers, and you still cant allow a safety upgrade?
 
2010-02-27 10:29:09 AM
Phil Herup: thefireandpassion: Those are different. Those aren't bright enough that they blind drivers going in the opposite direction.



They are bright as hell. What they are is perfectly focused and aimed so as not to blind anyone.

Mine move up and down on hills and move side to side as the wheel turns.

Very cool.


They're bright as hell, but they're still very legal. This article is just placing a fine on those that drive with the shiatty fake HID lights. You know the kind that people put in when "pimping" their ride to make it look cool? Yeah those shiatty lights.

What's important is you have them aimed properly. Even the old halogen bulbs when aimed improperly can blind people like no farking tomorrow.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:22 AM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


Oh, Don't worry, not everyone lives in sub-tropical climates like you probably do, So I'm sure you don't understand the need for a truck other than as a moving vehicle. that's fine, we forgive your ignorance. I live in canada, and you can pry my truck with it's precious REAL 4WD and proper clearance from my cold, dead hands. We need that to traverse in town roads during the worst winters. And you know, nothing beats a little off-road fun in the spring. If you havent had to clear mud out of the box with a shovel after a good day in the fields, well then son, you have not lived.

I just recently bought myself a 2010 F150 and find myself in the same situation as myth321, I drive with my brights off, but routinely get flashed as If I have them on (and btw, it's 11 inches of clearance, not two feet. not every truck owner instantly buys a lift kit) when I do use my brights, it Illuminates a nearly kilometer long stretch of the highway infront of me and a good 100 meters off to the left and right. it's quite plainly absurd.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:27 AM
just_dis_guy: I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.

When I was in college and living in downtown DC I saw a cop come to a stop at a red light, throw his lights on, and charge through an intersection once the other traffic started moving.

There is nothing on this earth (besides, maybe, a Detroit cop) more useless than a DC police officer. They exist to suck up a paycheck and harass whoever the fark they want. They don't solve crime, they don't keep the peace, and they can hardly be bothered to work even when they are required to.

Whenever I see someone tout the stimulus bill as "saving the jobs of thousands of cops nationwide" I think of the DC police department and wonder if that's such a good thing.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:37 AM
dobro: DarknessTigerpaw: I wish ALL states did this.

Me too. I hate those lights!!


Me three. Those lights are irritating.

/former optician
 
2010-02-27 10:30:23 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.


That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.
 
2010-02-27 10:32:09 AM
lobootomy: just_dis_guy: I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.

When I was in college and living in downtown DC I saw a cop come to a stop at a red light, throw his lights on, and charge through an intersection once the other traffic started moving.

There is nothing on this earth (besides, maybe, a Detroit cop) more useless than a DC police officer. They exist to suck up a paycheck and harass whoever the fark they want. They don't solve crime, they don't keep the peace, and they can hardly be bothered to work even when they are required to.

Whenever I see someone tout the stimulus bill as "saving the jobs of thousands of cops nationwide" I think of the DC police department and wonder if that's such a good thing.


There's that, but also even when they're not pulling someone over or blowing through an intersection, whenever the car is moving they now have the light bar partially activated - the outermost red and blues are flashing all the time. Then when you *are* being pulled over, they activate even more lights.

First time I saw it, I pulled over and stopped, rolled down my window, put my hands on the steering wheel. Cop honked at me to move along. I was very confused.
 
2010-02-27 10:32:14 AM
Seacop:

It's a trivial inconvenience for experienced drivers who can keep their eyes on the road instead of glancing at every distraction. I'm not the one who wants to make something that annoys me illegal, nor am I chomping at the bit to give rural Tennessee cops another reason to pull me over to fish for a way to ticket me. Do you really think they will be so discriminating as to target only aftermarket lights? Or do you suppose they might just pull over any car with blue headlights whenever they feel like it?

These days Americans are way too quick to give the government the mandate to punish people for doing things they find merely annoying. If there isn't a damn good reason to make something illegal then I'd rather deal with a little annoyance than have this country turn into one big HOA.
 
2010-02-27 10:32:33 AM
Seacop: when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario

Your slippery slope is showing, jackass.
 
2010-02-27 10:34:11 AM
TsukasaK: Seacop: when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario

Your slippery slope is showing, jackass.


well fark me for being bored.
 
2010-02-27 10:34:14 AM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.
 
2010-02-27 10:34:51 AM
When I turn on my headlights the moon goes down.
 
2010-02-27 10:35:17 AM
myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

I have an Infiniti FX45 and it doesn't have self-levelers, but there's a knob I can use to lower the aim of the headlights when I'm driving in a populated area. If I don't, I too get flashed all the time.

I think any truck/suv manufacturer should include such a method of adjustment. Headlights are so much higher on those that it's easy for an oncoming car to think you have your brights on even if you don't.
 
2010-02-27 10:36:10 AM
Big Dave: Seacop:

It's a trivial inconvenience for experienced drivers who can keep their eyes on the road instead of glancing at every distraction. I'm not the one who wants to make something that annoys me illegal, nor am I chomping at the bit to give rural Tennessee cops another reason to pull me over to fish for a way to ticket me. Do you really think they will be so discriminating as to target only aftermarket lights? Or do you suppose they might just pull over any car with blue headlights whenever they feel like it?

These days Americans are way too quick to give the government the mandate to punish people for doing things they find merely annoying. If there isn't a damn good reason to make something illegal then I'd rather deal with a little annoyance than have this country turn into one big HOA.


What's wrong with HOA's? Sorry for wanting to make sure my property values go down because of your lazy ass.
 
2010-02-27 10:36:29 AM
Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.

That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.


What is "them?"

Did you have a point, or are you just bloviating to see yourself type?

Did you read and comprehend any of the comments that I've made in this thread? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I know a HELL of a lot more about this issue than 99% of Farkers out there, and have suggested solutions. (e.g. harmonize FMVSS 108 with ECE standards. Obviously ticketing drivers with non-conforming (to existing standards, sadly) equipment is another step that needs to be taken.)

You, on the other hand, latch onto a post that you don't like for some purely emotional reason, and act like a douche. And still have yet to articulate precisely what it is you have to say.

/your post is stupid even for Fark.
 
2010-02-27 10:36:45 AM
Lord Farkwad: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.


Uhhh no what he says is true. Truck lights are high even on SUVs and normal sedans.
 
2010-02-27 10:37:16 AM
Englebert Slaptyback: In the deep south, "bright" = "suspicious".


That was a pretty bright comment.

Hold on...
 
2010-02-27 10:38:42 AM
AbbeySomeone: /former optician

not sure how that applies...

/bless you for exiting that soul-sucking profession
//13 years as dispensing optician and lab rat
//been out 10 years
 
2010-02-27 10:40:34 AM
thefireandpassion: Lord Farkwad: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.

Uhhh no what he says is true. Truck lights are high even on SUVs and normal sedans.


Somewhat, but FMVSS 108 (and similar regulations in just about every civilized country) specifies a range of mounting heights, so if a vehicle is designed to sit high off the ground from the factory, the headlights will be lower relative to the vehicle body.

Now if the vehicle is lifted, say with an aftermarket suspension kit...
 
2010-02-27 10:41:16 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.

That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.

What is "them?"

Did you have a point, or are you just bloviating to see yourself type?

Did you read and comprehend any of the comments that I've made in this thread? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I know a HELL of a lot more about this issue than 99% of Farkers out there, and have suggested solutions. (e.g. harmonize FMVSS 108 with ECE standards. Obviously ticketing drivers with non-conforming (to existing standards, sadly) equipment is another step that needs to be taken.)

You, on the other hand, latch onto a post that you don't like for some purely emotional reason, and act like a douche. And still have yet to articulate precisely what it is you have to say.

/your post is stupid even for Fark.


How about this: These extra bright lights are dangerous. Just because you should look away doesn't mean we should allow products that force this. You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.
 
2010-02-27 10:43:39 AM
myth321: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

The "truck" pick-up I drive, is for my business. It's pretty much a one seater, because of all the parts I carry. Silly....


It isn't nice to go ruining someone's preconceived notions. I suppose that they'd think I'd have no need for my SUV either.
 
2010-02-27 10:45:44 AM
I'll be driving in Tennessee with blue headlights next week, so I'll let ya know.

Mine came with my car, and aren't some aftermarket thing from AutoZone, so I'm kinda guessing they aren't going to give me a ticket.
 
2010-02-27 10:46:01 AM
Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.

That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.

What is "them?"

Did you have a point, or are you just bloviating to see yourself type?

Did you read and comprehend any of the comments that I've made in this thread? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I know a HELL of a lot more about this issue than 99% of Farkers out there, and have suggested solutions. (e.g. harmonize FMVSS 108 with ECE standards. Obviously ticketing drivers with non-conforming (to existing standards, sadly) equipment is another step that needs to be taken.)

You, on the other hand, latch onto a post that you don't like for some purely emotional reason, and act like a douche. And still have yet to articulate precisely what it is you have to say.

/your post is stupid even for Fark.

How about this: These extra bright lights are dangerous. Just because you should look away doesn't mean we should allow products that force this. You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.


What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh
 
2010-02-27 10:46:02 AM
I think forcing you to imply that everyone should follow the rules of a HOA has leeched out the last bit of trolling you can do in this thread Seacop. I'll tip my hat and wave goodbye.
 
2010-02-27 10:46:11 AM
just_dis_guy: I'd just rationalize to myself that it was really a logical evolution of the Volkswagen, with some Audi technology thrown in for good measure



It is all Volkswagen technology. Right up to the Bugatti Veyron.

VAG for the win.

Audis are just overpriced VeeDubs. At that price point, you must go BMW
 
2010-02-27 10:47:33 AM
Lar Jorgen: When I turn on my headlights the moon goes down.

It's because of people like you that all the stars have gone out.

I know I'm getting old and tired, but I swear that half the cars on the road anymore are driving around with their brights on. I have to drive most of the night with my eyes glued to the right white line. Blue lights, white lights, people with only one headlight so they turn on their brights--jebus, people. I'm trying to get home here.
 
2010-02-27 10:47:40 AM
heh, if Fark had been around in the seventies, this thread would be a repeat from the advent of halogen bulbs. Let's all go back to incandescents.


/my lawn, get off it
 
2010-02-27 10:49:26 AM
just_dis_guy: What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh


The ones these schmucks buy at autozone, that are very bright and blue tinted. And if they are illegal, what's the problem with them being ticketed? Look, just trust that the officials here are making the correct decsion, and that they are trained properly.
 
2010-02-27 10:49:48 AM
Phil Herup:
It is not really as much about the lights as it is about granting the police yet another reason to pull people over for and dish out "justice".

Soon they will get a reason to pull you over, and make sure everything else is in order.


First they came for the ricer idiots, and I did nothing because I was not a ricer idiot. Then they came for... blah blah



3/10
 
2010-02-27 10:50:19 AM
I just wanna know why there is a picture of a cop car with targets all over it. Is that some sort of ad for an Impala? If so, I like it.
 
2010-02-27 10:50:24 AM
I was watching some car show recently where a guy representing a car lighting manufacturer was asked about the obnoxious new lighting - he explained that lighting and auto manufacturers have always known that lights in the blue spectrum allowed better night vision, but extensive testing found spectrum's in the red-yellow was far less irritating to oncoming drivers. - back then it was all about courtesy and safety. Now days people/manufacturers just don't care about other drivers - just as long as I can see better than you do

/Yea I know...cool story bro
 
2010-02-27 10:52:39 AM
Lar Jorgen: When I turn on my headlights the moon goes down.


When I moon your mom she goes down.
 
2010-02-27 10:54:28 AM
Seacop: You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.

Not sure if serious...

Seriously. You can't be that dumb, can you? I mean without stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork when you try to eat? Do you wear a helmet all day and have special workers who attend to your needs? I imagine you must and I, for one, am glad that my tax dollars are assisting you in leading as much of a normal life as anyone who isn't handicapped. You probably should not be on the internet though - it's just not nice to the rest of us.

Hint: The two items you mentioned are tools and having responsible children doesn't actually take a lot.
 
2010-02-27 10:56:12 AM
Seacop: just_dis_guy: What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh

The ones these schmucks buy at autozone, that are very bright and blue tinted. And if they are illegal, what's the problem with them being ticketed?


None. So why are you still arguing?

Look, just trust that the officials here are making the correct decsion, and that they are trained properly.

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

oh, sorry. Um. Ahem. mmmmmph. *snort* mmmmph *cough*

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!
 
2010-02-27 10:57:21 AM
UnspokenVoice: Seacop: You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.

Not sure if serious...

Seriously. You can't be that dumb, can you? I mean without stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork when you try to eat? Do you wear a helmet all day and have special workers who attend to your needs? I imagine you must and I, for one, am glad that my tax dollars are assisting you in leading as much of a normal life as anyone who isn't handicapped. You probably should not be on the internet though - it's just not nice to the rest of us.

Hint: The two items you mentioned re tools and having responsible children doesn't actually take a lot.


Uh-huh, a tool, what kind of tool is a gun? It's not, it's a weapon, used to take human lives and that's it. As far as knives, yes, when used properly by an adult who's received proper training, I may bend a little on that, but NO CHILD SHOULD EVER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY KIND OF KNIFE.
 
2010-02-27 10:59:04 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh

The ones these schmucks buy at autozone, that are very bright and blue tinted. And if they are illegal, what's the problem with them being ticketed?

None. So why are you still arguing?

Look, just trust that the officials here are making the correct decsion, and that they are trained properly.

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

oh, sorry. Um. Ahem. mmmmmph. *snort* mmmmph *cough*

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!


you're the one who argued against my original post. and what are you, a fark tough guy who thinks all police are bad? What a sheep.
 
2010-02-27 11:00:51 AM
Seacop: UnspokenVoice: Seacop: You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.

Not sure if serious...

Seriously. You can't be that dumb, can you? I mean without stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork when you try to eat? Do you wear a helmet all day and have special workers who attend to your needs? I imagine you must and I, for one, am glad that my tax dollars are assisting you in leading as much of a normal life as anyone who isn't handicapped. You probably should not be on the internet though - it's just not nice to the rest of us.

Hint: The two items you mentioned re tools and having responsible children doesn't actually take a lot.

Uh-huh, a tool, what kind of tool is a gun? It's not, it's a weapon, used to take human lives and that's it. As far as knives, yes, when used properly by an adult who's received proper training, I may bend a little on that, but NO CHILD SHOULD EVER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY KIND OF KNIFE.


Not sure if serious?

I mean, your other posts were stupid enough, but do you really believe that food magically appears, shrink-wrapped to styrofoam in the cooler at the Piggly Wiggly?

/the stupid, it is strong with this one.
//suddenly hungry for venison
 
2010-02-27 11:02:09 AM
Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh

The ones these schmucks buy at autozone, that are very bright and blue tinted. And if they are illegal, what's the problem with them being ticketed?

None. So why are you still arguing?

Look, just trust that the officials here are making the correct decsion, and that they are trained properly.

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

oh, sorry. Um. Ahem. mmmmmph. *snort* mmmmph *cough*

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

you're the one who argued against my original post. and what are you, a fark tough guy who thinks all police are bad? What a sheep.


I think you're a troll. On the small chance that you're not, you should probably wear safety glasses when you eat.
 
2010-02-27 11:03:10 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: UnspokenVoice: Seacop: You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.

Not sure if serious...

Seriously. You can't be that dumb, can you? I mean without stabbing yourself in the eye with a fork when you try to eat? Do you wear a helmet all day and have special workers who attend to your needs? I imagine you must and I, for one, am glad that my tax dollars are assisting you in leading as much of a normal life as anyone who isn't handicapped. You probably should not be on the internet though - it's just not nice to the rest of us.

Hint: The two items you mentioned re tools and having responsible children doesn't actually take a lot.

Uh-huh, a tool, what kind of tool is a gun? It's not, it's a weapon, used to take human lives and that's it. As far as knives, yes, when used properly by an adult who's received proper training, I may bend a little on that, but NO CHILD SHOULD EVER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY KIND OF KNIFE.

Not sure if serious?

I mean, your other posts were stupid enough, but do you really believe that food magically appears, shrink-wrapped to styrofoam in the cooler at the Piggly Wiggly?

/the stupid, it is strong with this one.
//suddenly hungry for venison


The food at your piggly wiggly is killed by slitting the throat and draining the blood. A knife, being used as a tool, IN THE HANDS OF A TRAINED PROFESSIONAL. There's no need for hunting anymore, hence why we have the piggly wiggly.
 
2010-02-27 11:04:47 AM
just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh

The ones these schmucks buy at autozone, that are very bright and blue tinted. And if they are illegal, what's the problem with them being ticketed?

None. So why are you still arguing?

Look, just trust that the officials here are making the correct decsion, and that they are trained properly.

BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!

oh, sorry. Um. Ahem. mmmmmph. *snort* mmmmph *cough*

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

you're the one who argued against my original post. and what are you, a fark tough guy who thinks all police are bad? What a sheep.

I think you're a troll. On the small chance that you're not, you should probably wear safety glasses when you eat.


You'd like it if I was a troll, but I've proven you wrong on every point, face it.
 
2010-02-27 11:06:26 AM
just_dis_guy: /the stupid, it is strong with this one.

It might be a bit stronger in the folks biting on such obvious trolls. I first thought the stupid was in crafting the trolls so obviously, but they seem to be getting many bites, so maybe not.
 
2010-02-27 11:08:15 AM
Sgian Dubh: just_dis_guy: /the stupid, it is strong with this one.

It might be a bit stronger in the folks biting on such obvious trolls. I first thought the stupid was in crafting the trolls so obviously, but they seem to be getting many bites, so maybe not.


I like how I turned it into an anti gun/knife thread.
 
2010-02-27 11:08:24 AM
Seacop: Uh-huh, a tool, what kind of tool is a gun? It's not, it's a weapon, used to take human lives and that's it.


Bambi's mom disagrees.
 
2010-02-27 11:09:41 AM
Seacop: As far as knives, yes, when used properly by an adult who's received proper training, I may bend a little on that, but NO CHILD SHOULD EVER HAVE ACCESS TO ANY KIND OF KNIFE.

Wow... not bad. I actually thought you were serious and got all the way to this post before realizing you were just trolling. Good job!
 
2010-02-27 11:10:05 AM
thefireandpassion: Lord Farkwad: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.

Uhhh no what he says is true. Truck lights are high even on SUVs and normal sedans.



It was never a problem until they started making cars smaller. The size of trucks have stayed the same. Even the "normal sedans" are small and low to the ground. My Chevy 4x4 is the same size and height as they were made back in the 70's.

Everyone has a choice and can choose to drive what they want. My wife is 4' 10" and loves driving her little shiatbox but I have a hard time folding myself to drive it. So I choose not to drive it.
 
2010-02-27 11:10:25 AM
The Duke approves

img94.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-27 11:16:00 AM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


And of course it adds a badly-needed few inches to your peen ...
 
2010-02-27 11:18:09 AM
Gnomepunter: The Duke approves


A Number 1


Great pic.. think I will steal it. [thwack]
 
2010-02-27 11:22:00 AM
FitzShivering: I'll be driving in Tennessee with blue headlights next week, so I'll let ya know.

Mine came with my car, and aren't some aftermarket thing from AutoZone, so I'm kinda guessing they aren't going to give me a ticket.


right. Get back to us on that.
 
2010-02-27 11:25:30 AM
Blowmonkey: I wish there was a device that could be pointed at the farkers with those things that would immediately incinerate them. It's awesome you can see for miles, never mind everyone in your vicinity is blind.

****

Ya, here's the thing: In my region any new car sold in the past few years that cost more than $25,000 are equiped with these headlights as STANDARD ISSUE. Not an option, not an upgrade, in fact they are the only headlights available.

Get a pair yourself and see how much safer they are, especially in the country at night.

/THERE ARE FOUR BLUE LIGHTS!!!
 
2010-02-27 11:31:52 AM
TheBlackFlag: Ya, here's the thing: In my region any new car sold in the past few years that cost more than $25,000 are equiped with these headlights as STANDARD ISSUE. Not an option, not an upgrade, in fact they are the only headlights available.

Get a pair yourself and see how much safer they are, especially in the country at night.

/THERE ARE FOUR BLUE LIGHTS!!!


Did you somehow miss the ridiculous number of posts in this thread about how this ISN'T about the factory-issue legal ones (which ARE safer, yes, and are quite nice), but the cheap, overwattage, knockoff, illegal things from AutoZone that ricers and other "pimp my car on my minimum wage budget" types buy?

Just asking.
 
2010-02-27 11:31:53 AM
Sgian Dubh: just_dis_guy: /the stupid, it is strong with this one.

It might be a bit stronger in the folks biting on such obvious trolls. I first thought the stupid was in crafting the trolls so obviously, but they seem to be getting many bites, so maybe not.


It's hard for me to tell trolls from reality because there's so many legitimately stupid people out there, sort of like it's hard to tell the difference between a fundie and a parody of a fundie.

That, and I just don't understand the appeal of trolling when done in a non-humorous manner.
 
2010-02-27 11:32:21 AM
I remember seeing someone with those lights the first time, coming around a corner. For a brief moment, I thought the sun was coming up about 7 hours too early.
 
2010-02-27 11:36:44 AM
I farkING HATE THOSE BLUE HEADLIGHTS ALMOST AS MUCH AS I HATE PEOPLE WHO RUN THEIR FLOOD LIGHTS AND FOLLOW BEHIND ME LIKE I'M LEADING THEM THROUGH A farkING FLOOD



ARRRRRR CAPS RAGE!
 
2010-02-27 11:38:49 AM
It's time for a fundamental reworking of headlight technology. There seems to me no reason why there ought not be a non-blinding to oncoming traffic, illuminating to the driver, angles adjusted for speed headlight system on every vehicle.
And proper luminescent paint lane markers...
And unicorns...
 
2010-02-27 11:38:57 AM
just_dis_guy: Sgian Dubh: just_dis_guy: /the stupid, it is strong with this one.

It might be a bit stronger in the folks biting on such obvious trolls. I first thought the stupid was in crafting the trolls so obviously, but they seem to be getting many bites, so maybe not.

It's hard for me to tell trolls from reality because there's so many legitimately stupid people out there, sort of like it's hard to tell the difference between a fundie and a parody of a fundie.

That, and I just don't understand the appeal of trolling when done in a non-humorous manner.


It's funny to me damn it. kinda like, laughing at you, not with you.
 
2010-02-27 11:39:40 AM
Tali: TheBlackFlag: Ya, here's the thing: In my region any new car sold in the past few years that cost more than $25,000 are equiped with these headlights as STANDARD ISSUE. Not an option, not an upgrade, in fact they are the only headlights available.

Get a pair yourself and see how much safer they are, especially in the country at night.

/THERE ARE FOUR BLUE LIGHTS!!!

Did you somehow miss the ridiculous number of posts in this thread about how this ISN'T about the factory-issue legal ones (which ARE safer, yes, and are quite nice), but the cheap, overwattage, knockoff, illegal things from AutoZone that ricers and other "pimp my car on my minimum wage budget" types buy?

Just asking.


Another proud graduate of M.I.T. Your Mamie and Papi must brag about you all the time.

(And since you asked so nicely, the factory bulbs here are brighter and bluer than anything you can buy at an autoparts store. You MUST go back to dealer to get gouged for replacement bulbs.)
 
2010-02-27 11:40:35 AM
Tali: TheBlackFlag: Ya, here's the thing: In my region any new car sold in the past few years that cost more than $25,000 are equiped with these headlights as STANDARD ISSUE. Not an option, not an upgrade, in fact they are the only headlights available.

Get a pair yourself and see how much safer they are, especially in the country at night.

/THERE ARE FOUR BLUE LIGHTS!!!

Did you somehow miss the ridiculous number of posts in this thread about how this ISN'T about the factory-issue legal ones (which ARE safer, yes, and are quite nice), but the cheap, overwattage, knockoff, illegal things from AutoZone that ricers and other "pimp my car on my minimum wage budget" types buy?

Just asking.


Well, we ASSume that that is what this is about. TFA is so poorly written it's hard to tell.
 
2010-02-27 11:49:01 AM
myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

I hope your fuel bill bankrupts you.
 
2010-02-27 11:50:10 AM
just_dis_guy: Well, we ASSume that that is what this is about. TFA is so poorly written it's hard to tell.

Fair enough point, that. I do a lot of night driving, and to me at least, the difference between them is pretty visible. It's even worse in the rain, when the rain amplifies the glare from ricer-lights. Kinda wish Florida would follow their example, but they're too busy being, well, Florida. I'd leave this state if I didn't hate California even more than I hate cold weather.
 
2010-02-27 11:51:50 AM
Tennessee cops confused
In Other News, Tenessee cops continue to demonstrate their recent TSA training: Cars now required to remove tires when passing through traffic checkpoints.
 
2010-02-27 11:57:01 AM
I had a '98 Saturn SL, hibeams off, and was flashed numerous times.
 
2010-02-27 11:58:42 AM
just_dis_guy: lajimi: Those blinding ultra bright light bars the cops use should be banned too but who's going to write the cops a ticket?

I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.

Also, if a cop has someone pulled over and you're coming at him from the opposite direction, because those f'ing "takedown lights" HURT.


Why do you stare directly into them? They're on the tops of the cars, keep your eyes on the road!
 
2010-02-27 11:59:54 AM
Baron-Harkonnen: just_dis_guy: lajimi: Those blinding ultra bright light bars the cops use should be banned too but who's going to write the cops a ticket?

I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.

Also, if a cop has someone pulled over and you're coming at him from the opposite direction, because those f'ing "takedown lights" HURT.

Why do you stare directly into them? They're on the tops of the cars, keep your eyes on the road!


I don't, intentionally, but sometimes roads curve.
 
2010-02-27 12:00:25 PM
Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.


So you're suggesting people stop looking at the road while driving? That's brilliant.
 
2010-02-27 12:00:41 PM
hero tag subby,

I saw these on a chrysler 300 ghetto cruiser's headlights just yesterday..
imgs.inkfrog.com
 
2010-02-27 12:04:18 PM
chewd: And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.

Not in VA. Fog lights can only be on when you are using low beams; off with high beams. Driving lights are just the opposite. They cannot be legally wired to work any other way although State Safety Inspectors never check (unless you're being an asshole). Your main headlights must always be on by law when visibility is reduced or your windshield wipers are on. You can argue "improved visibility with fog lights only" all you want as long as you argue with the DMV and pay your fine if you get caught. Oh, and drive like you suggest in VA and get in an accident -- you're screwed.
 
2010-02-27 12:06:00 PM
What's wrong with fog lights on while driving? it widens my view of what i see on the road and they don't shine high by design. If my visibility and safety is increased, I'm going to use them.

/loves his rear fog light
//scares the shiat out of tailgaters when I turn it on without any of that dangerous braking.
 
2010-02-27 12:06:57 PM
Phil Herup: just_dis_guy: I'd just rationalize to myself that it was really a logical evolution of the Volkswagen, with some Audi technology thrown in for good measure



It is all Volkswagen technology. Right up to the Bugatti Veyron.

VAG for the win.

Audis are just overpriced VeeDubs. At that price point, you must go BMW


My S4 disagrees- I can make it to work year round, on snow or dry pavement.

/Quattro FTW
 
2010-02-27 12:12:29 PM
"Perhaps next week they'll get around to shooting the jackasses that tailgate. Tailgating at midnight, when they're one of two or four cars in a mile or more."
-----------------------------------------------------

tailgaters are way more dangerous than your average speeder going 5-10 miles over (in daylight, on straight open highway), but unfortunately, the speeder is much more likely to be ticketed.

every car should have a rear camera, and when a tailgater comes too close (based on the speed), a couple business days later, he gets a little present in the form of a "tailgate camera" administrative "fee" (a small, 15.00 fee, just a gentle reminder, then it goes up with each infraction, in a time period).

(Oh, and every state should require front license plates)
 
2010-02-27 12:12:43 PM
lajimi: Those blinding ultra bright light bars the cops use should be banned too but who's going to write the cops a ticket?

Can you make a citizen's arrest if they talk back to you??
 
2010-02-27 12:13:25 PM
chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.


The "fog" lights on most newer cars are little more than decoration. They put out a tiny amount of light and if you could turn them on by themselves, it wouldn't be enough light to safely drive with, fog or no.

On my '99 Grand Am, the fog lights come on with the park lights or the low beams; however, it had Daytime Running Lights which run the high beams at reduced voltage, so even with the parking lights on, the DRLs are still on anyway. There is no way to drive that car without some form of headlight turned on without modifying the car.

Maybe that's why Obama shut down Pontiac. Any company that would do that should be run out of town.
 
2010-02-27 12:13:42 PM
I want headlights so powerful when I turn them on they have a recoil
 
2010-02-27 12:16:46 PM
Brade: "Perhaps next week they'll get around to shooting the jackasses that tailgate. Tailgating at midnight, when they're one of two or four cars in a mile or more."
-----------------------------------------------------

tailgaters are way more dangerous than your average speeder going 5-10 miles over (in daylight, on straight open highway), but unfortunately, the speeder is much more likely to be ticketed.

every car should have a rear camera, and when a tailgater comes too close (based on the speed), a couple business days later, he gets a little present in the form of a "tailgate camera" administrative "fee" (a small, 15.00 fee, just a gentle reminder, then it goes up with each infraction, in a time period).

(Oh, and every state should require front license plates)


What about all the douches that think it's perfectly safe to change lanes two feet in front of a faster moving car? I see more of those than I do garden variety tailgaters.
 
2010-02-27 12:19:04 PM
Girion47: What's wrong with fog lights on while driving? it widens my view of what i see on the road and they don't shine high by design. If my visibility and safety is increased, I'm going to use them.

/loves his rear fog light
//scares the shiat out of tailgaters when I turn it on without any of that dangerous braking.


If your fog lights really help you see better in non-foggy conditions then your headlights suck. (not a far-fetched assumption; e.g. Volkswagen Corrado with US-spec headlights. I assume that they were VW's punishment for the US not allowing ECE headlights.) And idiots who drive with their rear fogs on in heavy traffic should be beaten with a fire extinguisher.
 
2010-02-27 12:20:53 PM
Saturn5: chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.

The "fog" lights on most newer cars are little more than decoration. They put out a tiny amount of light and if you could turn them on by themselves, it wouldn't be enough light to safely drive with, fog or no.

On my '99 Grand Am, the fog lights come on with the park lights or the low beams; however, it had Daytime Running Lights which run the high beams at reduced voltage, so even with the parking lights on, the DRLs are still on anyway. There is no way to drive that car without some form of headlight turned on without modifying the car.

Maybe that's why Obama shut down Pontiac. Any company that would do that should be run out of town.


High beam DRLs and turn signal DRLs should have never been allowed in the first place. Either use the low beams at reduced brightness or dedicated white DRLs.

/another example of NHTSA sucking balls
 
2010-02-27 12:22:24 PM
"Tennessee cops confused by newfangled brighter headlights, will issue tickets"

....coming as no particular surprise, since many Tennessee cops are still bemused over Saturday following Friday.
 
2010-02-27 12:24:42 PM
wambu: chewd: And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.

Not in VA. Fog lights can only be on when you are using low beams; off with high beams. Driving lights are just the opposite. They cannot be legally wired to work any other way although State Safety Inspectors never check (unless you're being an asshole). Your main headlights must always be on by law when visibility is reduced or your windshield wipers are on. You can argue "improved visibility with fog lights only" all you want as long as you argue with the DMV and pay your fine if you get caught. Oh, and drive like you suggest in VA and get in an accident -- you're screwed.


That's not true, a state cannot legislate that federally allowed equipment (e.g. fog lights wired in the standard manner where they will work with either parking lights or low beams) is disallowed at a state level, at least when we're talking about factory-produced vehicles. Now if you added the fog lights after the car was built, they might make you tie the relay to the low beam circuit, not sure, but I wired the fogs on my old Scirocco to work the "standard" way and didn't have a problem with VA safety inspection.

/just so you know, the way to do it is to take the power for the switch from the parking light circuit, and hook the ground for the relay to the high beam circuit.
 
2010-02-27 12:27:45 PM
Just put night vision in cars, then we can do away with the whole head light problem :)
 
2010-02-27 12:29:42 PM
I love headlights.

(PNSFW)
Even if they are blue (new window).
(PNSFW)


Shine on, baby!
 
2010-02-27 12:31:22 PM
just_dis_guy, for some fun, do some driving in Italy:

no signals, lanes are there just as a general guide and not much more, traffic merging into the highway WILL cut in front of you, but ONLY if they see you have another lane to your left to escape to. If they see your left lane is blocked, they wont get in front of you (as long as they can).

Very different than the US, way more fluid, with all drivers way more alert and fast reacting (freaking acrobats!). Much less "This is MY lane/ I OWN this lane".

Thats what happens with so many cars, so few roads, and 10.00 a gallon fuel.
Drivers value theirs and others built-up-speed, and don't want to cause others to lose that for no reason.
Built up speed costs way more over there than here.

Also, even here in the US, don't cause trucks to lose their built up speed, without a very good reason. It costs trucks a lot of fuel to speed up, and we all end up paying for that eventually at the store shelf.
 
2010-02-27 12:32:35 PM
Brade: "Perhaps next week they'll get around to shooting the jackasses that tailgate. Tailgating at midnight, when they're one of two or four cars in a mile or more."
-----------------------------------------------------

tailgaters are way more dangerous than your average speeder going 5-10 miles over (in daylight, on straight open highway), but unfortunately, the speeder is much more likely to be ticketed.

every car should have a rear camera, and when a tailgater comes too close (based on the speed), a couple business days later, he gets a little present in the form of a "tailgate camera" administrative "fee" (a small, 15.00 fee, just a gentle reminder, then it goes up with each infraction, in a time period).

(Oh, and every state should require front license plates)


no. Mounting brackets are pricey, and if my car doesn't have a place to mount it you aren't going to convince me I should drill holes in my bumper.

Find me a plate holder for a 2001 Audi A4 1.8T Quattro that doesn't involve damaging the car or cost over 60 bucks (cost of a ticket, haven't had one in the 2 years I've been here) and I may consider putting a plate up front, otherwise it'll sit tucked in the corner of the windshield.
 
2010-02-27 12:44:34 PM
i hate the purple ones, but they are pretty


farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2010-02-27 12:46:31 PM
Good! Those new lights are horrid .. damn distracting - and make it hard for other drivers to see.

The should ban those daytime running lights too.
 
2010-02-27 12:48:20 PM
She comes in colors everywhere: I hope your fuel bill bankrupts you.

*Snert* Typical "good mileage" is about 35 mpg. Truck mileage is about 20 mpg. If you drive 3500 miles a month, you'll spend an extra $200 or so in gas at $2.75/gal. That'll almost make half the payment to get something else. Also, if you happen to need a truck, a car won't work. Unless you want to go around like this idiot:

thingsthatneedtodie.files.wordpress.com

/with some hotlinked parts and plywood on top instead of your purse
 
2010-02-27 12:52:35 PM
HID, not what article is about
farm3.static.flickr.com



this POS is what article is about
www.brianaaron.net

/why ticket when you could just hit their lights with a bat and fix the problem instantly?
 
2010-02-27 01:00:56 PM
Phil Herup: just_dis_guy: I'd just rationalize to myself that it was really a logical evolution of the Volkswagen, with some Audi technology thrown in for good measure



It is all Volkswagen technology. Right up to the Bugatti Veyron.

VAG for the win.

Audis are just overpriced VeeDubs. At that price point, you must go BMW


if you want overpriced, BMW is an excellent choice. I considered a 335, but after adding options that are standard in many other cars it went north of $50,000.

the 370z i am getting is faster, better equipped and $15k cheaper
 
2010-02-27 01:02:12 PM
Treetop1000: I was one of the first in my area to adopt HID on my bike.
Two things: they make about three times more light than the OEM bulb, and they use a third less current doing so.
These are an improvement over Halogens (remember when halogens weren't legal?)
The cops used the same reasons against Halogens as here.
They said the Halogens were too bright and would cause accidents
Things change all the time. It's why we have 12 volt systems on cars now, used to be strictly 6 volt automotive...
And why should bright bulbs be illegal?
Because they -might- blind oncoming drivers?
How about me hitting that fast moving deer that I just saw at 500 feet versus a 2500 feet miss (due to super bright bulbs).
Get real Tenndot. Grow a pair. You already use the highest wattage Halogens on the planet in your cruisers, and you still cant allow a safety upgrade?


You don't need to be able to drive 75 mph at night on country roads. I need to be able to see. Don't just say "look at the shoulder". Your lights reflect off the pavement at about 10 degrees vs 90 degrees that my headlights do. I don't feel the need to run the numbers on the amount of light from your lights that reaches my eyes vs my lights, but I can tell you it's a difference on the order of several orders of magnitude. That's the reason I cannot see anything beyond your oncoming lights. Then it takes time for my eyes to adjust from several score footcandles to some fraction of a footcandle that my eyes receive from my lights.


Your overbright blue-biased lights close my pupils right up.

//found that drifting into the other lane gets people to turn off their high-beams every time.
 
2010-02-27 01:05:34 PM
Goimir: Treetop1000: I was one of the first in my area to adopt HID on my bike.
Two things: they make about three times more light than the OEM bulb, and they use a third less current doing so.
These are an improvement over Halogens (remember when halogens weren't legal?)
The cops used the same reasons against Halogens as here.
They said the Halogens were too bright and would cause accidents
Things change all the time. It's why we have 12 volt systems on cars now, used to be strictly 6 volt automotive...
And why should bright bulbs be illegal?
Because they -might- blind oncoming drivers?
How about me hitting that fast moving deer that I just saw at 500 feet versus a 2500 feet miss (due to super bright bulbs).
Get real Tenndot. Grow a pair. You already use the highest wattage Halogens on the planet in your cruisers, and you still cant allow a safety upgrade?

You don't need to be able to drive 75 mph at night on country roads. I need to be able to see. Don't just say "look at the shoulder". Your lights reflect off the pavement at about 10 degrees vs 90 degrees that my headlights do. I don't feel the need to run the numbers on the amount of light from your lights that reaches my eyes vs my lights, but I can tell you it's a difference on the order of several orders of magnitude. That's the reason I cannot see anything beyond your oncoming lights. Then it takes time for my eyes to adjust from several score footcandles to some fraction of a footcandle that my eyes receive from my lights.


Your overbright blue-biased lights close my pupils right up.

//found that drifting into the other lane gets people to turn off their high-beams every time.


The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. At the risk of becoming overly repetitive, E-CODES.

/bears repeating
 
2010-02-27 01:07:00 PM
lajimi: Those blinding ultra bright light bars the cops use should be banned too but who's going to write the cops a ticket?

No kidding. Especially on a rainy night. Once they're stopped, they ought to be able to revert to blue flashing incancesdents. The strobes endanger the cops too, if the drivers attempting to slowly ease past the accident scene/whatnot are farking blinded.
 
2010-02-27 01:27:30 PM
jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


That was an astonishingly douchebaggy response. Way to make value judgements on someone's entire lifestyle and apply your BS politics based on a two sentence post.
 
2010-02-27 01:34:20 PM
cryinoutloud: Lar Jorgen: When I turn on my headlights the moon goes down.

It's because of people like you that all the stars have gone out.

I know I'm getting old and tired, but I swear that half the cars on the road anymore are driving around with their brights on. I have to drive most of the night with my eyes glued to the right white line. Blue lights, white lights, people with only one headlight so they turn on their brights--jebus, people. I'm trying to get home here.


Oh so very much of THIS. Add in the jackasses who switch their headlight connectors so that they can use the high beams as low beams. Sure, it looks different and you are all cool and stuff, but frickin re-aim them so that we can BOTH see.

Most of those aftermarket lights are not DOT approved and have a little disclaimer on the box "For Show use only" or Check local laws before installing on a vehicle to be used on a public highway" Something like that. The ones that ARE DOT approved aren't as bothersome.

Mostly on newer cars it is difficult to screw up the aim. The halogen bulbs pop out of the back and you pop the new one in. On older sealed beam types it was easy for a dufus to mix up the retaining screws with the adjusting screws and then not re-aim afterward.
 
2010-02-27 02:02:54 PM
Some lights out there are very annoying with how bright they are. Yes I'm sure you like being able to see 6 miles into the future, but I like being able to see the road
 
2010-02-27 02:12:08 PM
chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.


Yeah, explain that to the asshat cop in Charleston SC who tried to give me a ticket for having just my fog lights on. With low beams on I couldnt see squat. Worst thing was it was patchy. Fine for half a mile then solid fog.
 
2010-02-27 02:31:50 PM
Sh%tcop: just trust that the officials here are making the correct decsion, and that they are trained properly.


WOW that's a leap of faith an Olympic jumper shouldn't attempt!
 
2010-02-27 02:52:15 PM
She comes in colors everywhere: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

I hope your fuel bill bankrupts you.


Wow!!! Actually, my company pays for all my fuel. Yes, it's a company truck, that has parts stored in a covered bed. And also had the back seat taken out to store more parts, and in front passenger seat. Yes, my service vehicle is fully utilized. Now, if you have even one empty seat in your ride, I hope you go bankrupt, silly.....NGP
 
2010-02-27 03:08:35 PM
detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Phil Herup: At that price point, you must go BMW

My S4 disagrees- I can make it to work year round, on snow or dry pavement.

/Quattro FTW



The age old debate.


Do you have the V8 S4?

I am a big fan of RWD and snow tires though.

I have a 335d now, so I can run with just about any car on the highway. Massive torque is massive.
 
2010-02-27 03:24:09 PM
Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.


It's a bad idea to look away from the road while driving at night.

It's a bad idea to have headlights in the oncoming lane you cannot see past.

It's a bad idea to lose your night sight while driving at night.

These can all be solved by a simple thing -- and it is not 'look away from the road while traveling 65MPH at night for 30 seconds'.
 
2010-02-27 03:27:27 PM
Seacop: There's no need for hunting anymore, hence why we have the piggly wiggly.

HAHAHHAHAHAHA

Might as well take away all recreational activities that have been replaced by corporate overlords. No more tag -- entertainment is provided by game consoles. No more cooking, food is provided by restaurants. No more personal cars -- travel is provided by taxis. No more books -- all knowledge is handed out by the government.

Sigh.
 
2010-02-27 03:53:57 PM
Good. Fake HID headlights with blue tint can not only be dangerous not only for other drivers being blinded, but also for the owners of the cars using them. They all either have less light output than a standard headlight (because they *are* a standard headlight which has wavelengths other than blue light filtered out to some degree to make them seem "whiter" and hence brighter (when in actual fact they're not and visibility is reduced), or they have significantly higher power requirements which the stock headlight wiring isn't designed for, and will likely results in melted wiring harnesses and potentially a fire. Retrofitted HID kits are also dangerous because the reflectors aren't designed for their light distribution, and hence the projector pattern is wrong, again blinding oncoming traffic.

Factory HID headlights have none of these issues, and are also designed in a manner that they don't blind oncoming traffic.

The only safe HID conversion is to replace the entire headlight assembly with one designed at the factory for HID, mounted in the same position and height as they would be in the vehicle for which they were originally designed (and with a wiring harness that is designed to meet their power requirements). That rules out 99% of HID conversions out there, and 100% of the rice-burner crowd's tinted blue headlights.
 
2010-02-27 04:27:21 PM
just_dis_guy:
the classic DOT beam pattern is just an oval of light. Obviously you can see how the E-code pattern allows you to put more light on the road without blinding oncoming traffic. Unfortunately NHTSA has been unwilling to get with the program, their defense of the old beam pattern, shiat you not, is that it makes reading unlit overhead signs too difficult. (never mind that I've been running E-codes for years and haven't had a problem, neither have all those drivers over in Europe with their "inferior" headlights.)


And that's not new, either. I've got an old Motor Trend from the 60's in a closet somewhere that details the fight to get DOT to allow square headlights. The editors were pissed because (at the time) the square headlights had a much better beam pattern, and were safer for both the driver and oncoming cars, but the DOT wouldn't budge for the longest time.

It's the typical bureaucracy story - you get a bunch of idiots that don't know anything about cars and are too lazy to be bothered to find out what they're talking about before they just blindly strike down new design /because/ it's new. Status quo means they can keep their jobs without actually doing them.
 
2010-02-27 04:52:27 PM
i use my sideview mirrors to angle their own lights back into their face when these ultra bright light jackoffs are behind me

also cures tailgaiting

what? you dont like your own lights in your face?

haha
 
2010-02-27 05:12:41 PM
GroverCleveland: i use my sideview mirrors to angle their own lights back into their face when these ultra bright light jackoffs are behind me

also cures tailgaiting

what? you dont like your own lights in your face?

haha


I do that too, but I've never noticed it making any difference.

I've yet to come up with a good method of getting the jackhole behind me with his brights on to understand that his brights are on and that it's pissing me the fark off (not to mention destroying my night vision.)
 
2010-02-27 05:53:20 PM
just_dis_guy: GroverCleveland: i use my sideview mirrors to angle their own lights back into their face when these ultra bright light jackoffs are behind me

also cures tailgaiting

what? you dont like your own lights in your face?

haha

I do that too, but I've never noticed it making any difference.

I've yet to come up with a good method of getting the jackhole behind me with his brights on to understand that his brights are on and that it's pissing me the fark off (not to mention destroying my night vision.)


I slow down.
 
2010-02-27 06:25:11 PM
GroverCleveland: i use my sideview mirrors to angle their own lights back into their face when these ultra bright light jackoffs are behind me

also cures tailgaiting

what? you dont like your own lights in your face?

haha



You sound 15.
 
2010-02-27 06:31:24 PM
amanogowa: just_dis_guy: GroverCleveland: i use my sideview mirrors to angle their own lights back into their face when these ultra bright light jackoffs are behind me

also cures tailgaiting

what? you dont like your own lights in your face?

haha

I do that too, but I've never noticed it making any difference.

I've yet to come up with a good method of getting the jackhole behind me with his brights on to understand that his brights are on and that it's pissing me the fark off (not to mention destroying my night vision.)

I slow down.


Do both. In my case the jackhole went to pass flashed his hibeams one more time which actually blinded him and I heard the reassuring skeet skeet skeet of his antilock brakes taking care of the situation. If necessary buy a box of roof tacks.
 
2010-02-27 07:43:46 PM
It's just a blue shift because they're heading towards you really quickly.

I'm joking...cars can't go that fast
/still thought it was funny
//quite funny actually
 
2010-02-27 08:13:19 PM
just_dis_guy: Goimir: The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. At the risk of becoming overly repetitive, E-CODES.

/bears repeating


Please entertain this exercise.

Get in your car and turn on your headlights. Turn around in your seat and try to read the classified section of a newspaper.

Now try it with another vehicle with properly aimed headlights aimed at your car. Then try it in the other car with your fancy euro-fanboi "need to be able to see 10 miles" headlights pointed at you.
 
2010-02-27 09:30:14 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

img408.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-27 09:41:01 PM
Finally!
 
2010-02-27 09:42:41 PM
Goimir: just_dis_guy: Goimir: The two do not have to be mutually exclusive. At the risk of becoming overly repetitive, E-CODES.

/bears repeating

Please entertain this exercise.

Get in your car and turn on your headlights. Turn around in your seat and try to read the classified section of a newspaper.

Now try it with another vehicle with properly aimed headlights aimed at your car. Then try it in the other car with your fancy euro-fanboi "need to be able to see 10 miles" headlights pointed at you.


It's harder to read the newspaper with the E-codes pointed at your car than it is with the typical American car's headlights. That's the point.

When I moved, I was driving my company car and my FIL was following me in my Porsche with E-codes. They looked like just two glowing round things. I could stare directly into my rear view mirror with him directly behind me without any discomfort whatsoever. You don't get that from typical US headlights.

Trust me, until you've had it demonstrated to you, it's hard to believe that headlights can be so good and yet so inoffensive (on low beam, that is. Do not fark with the high beams. They are not toys.)
 
2010-02-27 10:04:15 PM
spookidooki: MrKraclenutz: like Lexus and Mercedes?

Those are not as blue as the ones they are talking about in the article. The cheapies from autozone are practically headlights with blue gels over them.

MrKraclenutz: So my car is illegal now?

Don't worry, you don't own either.



So he's lying because you say so? Sounds like someone is jealous.

Besides, you ever consider the possibility that he bought a used luxury car? These days you can pick up a mid-2000s luxury car in great shape for less than a new Chevy Cobalt. Or to put it another way: I prefer Macs to PCs, and have owned several over the years despite being a government employee making just shy of $30k a year. How? I buy used. Macs, like luxury cars, are built better and tend to be cared for much better by their original owners.

But hey, keep on being a jealous assuming douche. It makes me laugh.
 
2010-02-27 11:07:09 PM
"Those lights hurt my eyes!"

Wah wah wah

are you f*cking kidding me?

If you can't negotiate the roads at night and deal with an the random oncoming vehicle with poorly-aimed headlights, a driver who accidentally (or deliberately) left his brights on, or has aftermarket bulbs or HID's via either looking briefly down and to the right of the road at the lane marker lines or by squinting your eyes, then do yourself and the rest of the people on the road a gigantic favor and DON'T F*CKING DRIVE AT NIGHT.

If someone has replaced their bulbs with aftermarket HID's in the color range that literally appears BLUE, or with regular halogen bulbs that are Blue--that might cause someone else on the road to think that it is an emergency vehicle, then by all means, fine the sh*t out of them.

If, however, the driver just upgrades to HID lighting that is in the 4000 range and has a barely-perceptible "blue" tinge to it but DRAMATICALLY improves nighttime visibility then that's a bullshiat ticket.
 
2010-02-27 11:23:30 PM
Lights with a color temperature higher than 4500K should be banned universally on the road. Blue light is known for triggering and exacerbating macular degeneration.

Blue cop strobes should be banned as well, for the same reason. There's a reason the blue ones hurt and the red ones don't.

HIDs should be banned as well - at low wattages like what you find in vehicles, they're actually far more inefficient than same-wattage LED or HO Fluorescent.
 
2010-02-28 08:33:32 AM
Timmy the Tumor: "Those lights hurt my eyes!"

Wah wah wah

are you f*cking kidding me?

If you can't negotiate the roads at night and deal with an the random oncoming vehicle with poorly-aimed headlights, a driver who accidentally (or deliberately) left his brights on, or has aftermarket bulbs or HID's via either looking briefly down and to the right of the road at the lane marker lines or by squinting your eyes, then do yourself and the rest of the people on the road a gigantic favor and DON'T F*CKING DRIVE AT NIGHT.

If someone has replaced their bulbs with aftermarket HID's in the color range that literally appears BLUE, or with regular halogen bulbs that are Blue--that might cause someone else on the road to think that it is an emergency vehicle, then by all means, fine the sh*t out of them.

If, however, the driver just upgrades to HID lighting that is in the 4000 range and has a barely-perceptible "blue" tinge to it but DRAMATICALLY improves nighttime visibility then that's a bullshiat ticket.


Wow, what a douchey post. I guess if you are bothered by the aircraft landing lights that I've bolted to the front bumper of my truck, that's YOUR problem and you shouldn't drive at night, because, after all, MY visibility is dramatically improved. (never mind that when I flip them on, the truck slows down, you get a sunburn, and lightning bugs catch fire and fall to their deaths...)

/we have standards for a reason
//the problem is, they're not stringent enough
 
2010-02-28 10:26:13 AM
just_dis_guy: blah blah blah

Somebody always has to be that guy.
 
2010-02-28 11:08:56 AM
exempli gratis: just_dis_guy: blah blah blah

Somebody always has to be that guy.


Link (new window)
 
2010-02-28 01:40:47 PM
exempli gratis: just_dis_guy: blah blah blah

Somebody always has to be that guy.


Well, atleast he's informative, not like the fairy, prancing around in the park, with a hula hoop, wishing financial ruin on someone for the vehicle they drive...
 
2010-02-28 01:54:43 PM
chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.


Small problem there.

My brand new car has stock "fog" lights and they are only on if the low beams are on, and can not be on seperate from the headlights.
 
2010-02-28 03:02:11 PM
Lighting colors explained:

Link (new window)

And for the technically inclined (PDF warning):

Link (new window)
 
2010-03-01 01:48:30 PM
Seacop: It's not, it's a weapon, used to take human lives and that's it.

I use mine to get the food that I eat. Literally, almost all of it. I prefer my food to be something that I earned on my own. The idea that a knife shouldn't be in the hands of a child is equally stupid. Don't breed.

/would have responded sooner but was busy
 
2010-03-02 02:44:47 AM
UnspokenVoice: /would have responded sooner but was busy wanted to get the last word.

FTFY.
 
2010-03-02 05:01:43 AM
gweilo8888: UnspokenVoice: /would have responded sooner but was busy wanted to get the last word.

FTFY.


Derp... No, some of us have a life. A post online is far less important than spending a chunk of time enjoying an extended visit from a couple of friends. Not to mention that the point I was making needed no additional support but you're probably too stupid to get that.

If it makes you feel better you can proudly post a response and have the final post and maybe you will actually have some faux self-esteem for a few hours.

Then again I'm in a rather foul mood and might just be being a dick because of it. My extended visit was in preparation. I didn't feel like going to rehab again so I had buddies come visit and stayed drunk in preparation for Sunday when I finally quit drinking. Again... Why yes, yes I am a raging alcoholic though they say I'm a functional alcoholic.

/was blacking out too often (daily pretty much) and don't want to do something stupid and hurt myself or anyone else
//longest sobriety was just over six months
/nobody likes a quitter
 
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