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2010-02-27 09:51:14 AM  

This About That: Good and about damned time. May this spread to other states quickly.




It is not really as much about the lights as it is about granting the police yet another reason to pull people over for and dish out "justice".

Soon they will get a reason to pull you over, and make sure everything else is in order.


First they came for the ricer idiots, and I did nothing because I was not a ricer idiot. Then they came for... blah blah
 
2010-02-27 09:53:36 AM  
Auto Zone is headquartered in Memphis, TENNESSEE
 
2010-02-27 09:54:53 AM  

just_dis_guy: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.


Are you saying that the focus of the light is sub par? I know these lights are brighter that my 2005. I just thought that people flashed at my because, most people use their bi beams (thinking I left mine on). I honestly forget to turn mine off, that why I usually don't use them.....
 
2010-02-27 09:57:05 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Tennessee cops confused by newfangled brighter headlights, will issue tickets


In the deep south, "brightdark" = "suspicious".


:-)


FTFY.
 
2010-02-27 09:59:03 AM  

just_dis_guy: They also are advertised as "HID-look" despite looking nothing like real HID


teh funz. so true so true.

it's funny seeing ricers sporting blue autozone headlamps. my STI (ricer) came with the "white" HID lights, there's just no comparison. halogen looks like halogen.
 
2010-02-27 10:01:08 AM  

jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


i48.photobucket.com

/don't look into the deadlights!!!!
 
2010-02-27 10:01:23 AM  
came for riced out car pics...leaving disappointed.
 
2010-02-27 10:01:59 AM  

w00ty: my STI (ricer)




A real true STi is not a ricer. It is a legitimate beast to be respected.
 
2010-02-27 10:04:44 AM  

Big Cheese Make Hair Go Boom: came for riced out car pics...leaving disappointed.



Wait! Don't leave... here


www.blogcdn.com
 
2010-02-27 10:08:17 AM  

myth321: just_dis_guy: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.

Are you saying that the focus of the light is sub par? I know these lights are brighter that my 2005. I just thought that people flashed at my because, most people use their bi beams (thinking I left mine on). I honestly forget to turn mine off, that why I usually don't use them.....


I am guessing yes, I haven't actually noticed any issues with newer GM trucks. Or your headlights are simply aimed too high - do you carry a lot of heavy crap in the bed?

superior E-code beam pattern:

pff.hostkansas.com

the classic DOT beam pattern is just an oval of light. Obviously you can see how the E-code pattern allows you to put more light on the road without blinding oncoming traffic. Unfortunately NHTSA has been unwilling to get with the program, their defense of the old beam pattern, shiat you not, is that it makes reading unlit overhead signs too difficult. (never mind that I've been running E-codes for years and haven't had a problem, neither have all those drivers over in Europe with their "inferior" headlights.)
 
2010-02-27 10:09:48 AM  

just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon


But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.
 
2010-02-27 10:10:07 AM  

Phil Herup: w00ty: my STI (ricer)



A real true STi is not a ricer. It is a legitimate beast to be respected.


So's a Supra turbo, but if I had either, the basket handle would be the first thing to go.

/and just fscking shoot me if I ever have a car with an exhaust tip more than 3" in diameter, unless it's a Hemi-powered dragster.
 
2010-02-27 10:11:42 AM  

Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.


So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"
 
2010-02-27 10:11:58 AM  

just_dis_guy: jxb465: chewd: While we're on the subject.... i would like to point out that fog-lights are meant to be used in the FOG.

The fact that your car has fog-lights doesnt mean that you get to just drive around with 4 (or 6) headlights on all the time.

And another thing, when using fog-lights in the fog, you are supposed to turn OFF your normal headlights.

Ironically, most cars with fog lights won't allow you to turn on the fog lights unless you turn on the headlights too.

Every one I've had allows you to use the fog lights with either parking lights only or low beams, but the fogs will go off if you switch to high beam, which is the correct implementation (legally, you can't have more than four bright lights lit on the front of your car at once.)



Picard says that there are four lights.
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2010-02-27 10:12:36 AM  

Big Dave: Seacop:
Just keep your eyes on the road.
I learned to drive on a very twisty bit of highway (17, between Santa Cruz and San Jose) where drivers use their brights for too long, headlights are improperly angled up too far, and yes, all shades and intensities of blue and other colors of headlights shine brightly and in abundance. I learned to keep my eyes on the road and not to be distracted by whatever is going on on the other side of the barrier.

I don't like the blue lights either but I ignore them instead of staring directly at them only to be angry at the light. It's you. Learn to drive.


Angry? I just find them overly anoyying and could see how they would be an issue, why would you make a jackass out of yourself and assume I don't know how to drive?
 
2010-02-27 10:13:50 AM  
Good. Next they can ticket all the jackasses with the non-functional self-levelers. Especially the ones that are too sensitive. That 'feature' combined with the blue light of TFA makes it look like a cop or fireman's behind me, or approaching.

Perhaps next week they'll get around to shooting the jackasses that tailgate. Tailgating at midnight, when they're one of two or four cars in a mile or more.

Then we can begin the enforcement of the laws about _aiming_ the farking headlights.

*grumble grumble*
 
2010-02-27 10:15:54 AM  

just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"


no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.
 
2010-02-27 10:17:12 AM  

Joe Donut: Good. Next they can ticket all the jackasses with the non-functional self-levelers.


Can't do it; self-levelers are not required in the US.

Write to NHTSA and biatch at them.

/seriously, do it. NHTSA has had its head up its colon for decades, ever since that shrill harpy Claybrook was named director
 
2010-02-27 10:18:20 AM  

just_dis_guy: myth321: just_dis_guy: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

No, it's because GM cheaped out on the headlight design, combined with NTHSA's reluctance to update FMVSS 108 to bring us into the 1970s.

If I have a choice, I will always buy a vehicle that's either sold in Europe or else uses standard sealed beam format headlights, making retrofitting E-code headlights easy.

/Ford trucks of the 90's are the worst, and there's no E-codes available for them.

Are you saying that the focus of the light is sub par? I know these lights are brighter that my 2005. I just thought that people flashed at my because, most people use their bi beams (thinking I left mine on). I honestly forget to turn mine off, that why I usually don't use them.....

I am guessing yes, I haven't actually noticed any issues with newer GM trucks. Or your headlights are simply aimed too high - do you carry a lot of heavy crap in the bed?

superior E-code beam pattern:



the classic DOT beam pattern is just an oval of light. Obviously you can see how the E-code pattern allows you to put more light on the road without blinding oncoming traffic. Unfortunately NHTSA has been unwilling to get with the program, their defense of the old beam pattern, shiat you not, is that it makes reading unlit overhead signs too difficult. (never mind that I've been running E-codes for years and haven't had a problem, neither have all those drivers over in Europe with their "inferior" headlights.)


I just have alot of bulky, parts, but not heavy. Someone told me that Chevy was " kicking the shiat out of the after market people."
I took that as Chevy was putting, better wipers, headlights, remote start, etc. All I know is that there is a big difference between the 2005's and the 2008's. Better ride, but still alot of thin plastic...
 
2010-02-27 10:21:04 AM  

Phil Herup: Minez come from the factory like that.


Those are different. Those aren't bright enough that they blind drivers going in the opposite direction.

Also there should be government regulation on stationary headlights so people can't miss aim them and still blind the living day lights out of you.
 
2010-02-27 10:22:03 AM  

just_dis_guy: So's a Supra turbo, but if I had either, the basket handle would be the first thing to go.




OH, yeah. The look of the car kept me away. They finally got smart and got rid of it.


I had an original E30 M3 for many years. I got hassled by the cops all the time. That rear deck spoiler was wicked for its day.
 
2010-02-27 10:23:54 AM  

just_dis_guy: (legally, you can't have more than four bright lights lit on the front of your car at once.)


Um, the article is discussing Tennessee, where six to eight large halogen bulbs shining off the rollbar of the pickup for spotlighting deer is mandatory.
 
2010-02-27 10:23:57 AM  

Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.


How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.
 
2010-02-27 10:23:59 AM  

thefireandpassion: Those are different. Those aren't bright enough that they blind drivers going in the opposite direction.




They are bright as hell. What they are is perfectly focused and aimed so as not to blind anyone.

Mine move up and down on hills and move side to side as the wheel turns.

Very cool.
 
2010-02-27 10:24:50 AM  
I would like to put people with those headlights in a dark room and torture them by forcing their eyes open and making them to view it at night for a few hours.

www-tc.pbs.org
 
2010-02-27 10:25:54 AM  

Invisible Pedestrian: Englebert Slaptyback: Tennessee cops confused by newfangled brighter headlights, will issue tickets


In the deep south, "brightdark" = "suspiciousguilty".


:-)

FTFY.


Double FTFY

:-)
 
2010-02-27 10:28:43 AM  

Phil Herup: just_dis_guy: So's a Supra turbo, but if I had either, the basket handle would be the first thing to go.



OH, yeah. The look of the car kept me away. They finally got smart and got rid of it.


I had an original E30 M3 for many years. I got hassled by the cops all the time. That rear deck spoiler was wicked for its day.


You can get a Wrex without the basket handle now? Awesome. Seems like every one I see has it, though.

For some reason the girlie has a serious jones for one, despite my trying to lead her down the path of Teutonic righteousness. I could handle having a Scooby in my driveway though, if it didn't have that egregious thing on the trunk lid. Especially if I got to test drive it occasionally. And by "occasionally" I mean "all the damn time."

/I'd just rationalize to myself that it was really a logical evolution of the Volkswagen, with some Audi technology thrown in for good measure
//at least it's not an Evo she's lusting after; I'd have to put my foot down about that one.
 
2010-02-27 10:28:58 AM  
I was one of the first in my area to adopt HID on my bike.
Two things: they make about three times more light than the OEM bulb, and they use a third less current doing so.
These are an improvement over Halogens (remember when halogens weren't legal?)
The cops used the same reasons against Halogens as here.
They said the Halogens were too bright and would cause accidents
Things change all the time. It's why we have 12 volt systems on cars now, used to be strictly 6 volt automotive...
And why should bright bulbs be illegal?
Because they -might- blind oncoming drivers?
How about me hitting that fast moving deer that I just saw at 500 feet versus a 2500 feet miss (due to super bright bulbs).
Get real Tenndot. Grow a pair. You already use the highest wattage Halogens on the planet in your cruisers, and you still cant allow a safety upgrade?
 
2010-02-27 10:29:09 AM  

Phil Herup: thefireandpassion: Those are different. Those aren't bright enough that they blind drivers going in the opposite direction.



They are bright as hell. What they are is perfectly focused and aimed so as not to blind anyone.

Mine move up and down on hills and move side to side as the wheel turns.

Very cool.


They're bright as hell, but they're still very legal. This article is just placing a fine on those that drive with the shiatty fake HID lights. You know the kind that people put in when "pimping" their ride to make it look cool? Yeah those shiatty lights.

What's important is you have them aimed properly. Even the old halogen bulbs when aimed improperly can blind people like no farking tomorrow.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:22 AM  

jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


Oh, Don't worry, not everyone lives in sub-tropical climates like you probably do, So I'm sure you don't understand the need for a truck other than as a moving vehicle. that's fine, we forgive your ignorance. I live in canada, and you can pry my truck with it's precious REAL 4WD and proper clearance from my cold, dead hands. We need that to traverse in town roads during the worst winters. And you know, nothing beats a little off-road fun in the spring. If you havent had to clear mud out of the box with a shovel after a good day in the fields, well then son, you have not lived.

I just recently bought myself a 2010 F150 and find myself in the same situation as myth321, I drive with my brights off, but routinely get flashed as If I have them on (and btw, it's 11 inches of clearance, not two feet. not every truck owner instantly buys a lift kit) when I do use my brights, it Illuminates a nearly kilometer long stretch of the highway infront of me and a good 100 meters off to the left and right. it's quite plainly absurd.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:27 AM  

just_dis_guy: I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.


When I was in college and living in downtown DC I saw a cop come to a stop at a red light, throw his lights on, and charge through an intersection once the other traffic started moving.

There is nothing on this earth (besides, maybe, a Detroit cop) more useless than a DC police officer. They exist to suck up a paycheck and harass whoever the fark they want. They don't solve crime, they don't keep the peace, and they can hardly be bothered to work even when they are required to.

Whenever I see someone tout the stimulus bill as "saving the jobs of thousands of cops nationwide" I think of the DC police department and wonder if that's such a good thing.
 
2010-02-27 10:29:37 AM  

dobro: DarknessTigerpaw: I wish ALL states did this.

Me too. I hate those lights!!


Me three. Those lights are irritating.

/former optician
 
2010-02-27 10:30:23 AM  

just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.


That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.
 
2010-02-27 10:32:09 AM  

lobootomy: just_dis_guy: I actually agree with this, because it seems to be common practice in DC now for cops to drive around with their light bars activated ALL THE DAMN TIME.

When I was in college and living in downtown DC I saw a cop come to a stop at a red light, throw his lights on, and charge through an intersection once the other traffic started moving.

There is nothing on this earth (besides, maybe, a Detroit cop) more useless than a DC police officer. They exist to suck up a paycheck and harass whoever the fark they want. They don't solve crime, they don't keep the peace, and they can hardly be bothered to work even when they are required to.

Whenever I see someone tout the stimulus bill as "saving the jobs of thousands of cops nationwide" I think of the DC police department and wonder if that's such a good thing.


There's that, but also even when they're not pulling someone over or blowing through an intersection, whenever the car is moving they now have the light bar partially activated - the outermost red and blues are flashing all the time. Then when you *are* being pulled over, they activate even more lights.

First time I saw it, I pulled over and stopped, rolled down my window, put my hands on the steering wheel. Cop honked at me to move along. I was very confused.
 
2010-02-27 10:32:14 AM  
Seacop:

It's a trivial inconvenience for experienced drivers who can keep their eyes on the road instead of glancing at every distraction. I'm not the one who wants to make something that annoys me illegal, nor am I chomping at the bit to give rural Tennessee cops another reason to pull me over to fish for a way to ticket me. Do you really think they will be so discriminating as to target only aftermarket lights? Or do you suppose they might just pull over any car with blue headlights whenever they feel like it?

These days Americans are way too quick to give the government the mandate to punish people for doing things they find merely annoying. If there isn't a damn good reason to make something illegal then I'd rather deal with a little annoyance than have this country turn into one big HOA.
 
2010-02-27 10:32:33 AM  

Seacop: when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario


Your slippery slope is showing, jackass.
 
2010-02-27 10:34:11 AM  

TsukasaK: Seacop: when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario

Your slippery slope is showing, jackass.


well fark me for being bored.
 
2010-02-27 10:34:14 AM  

jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.


It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.
 
2010-02-27 10:34:51 AM  
When I turn on my headlights the moon goes down.
 
2010-02-27 10:35:17 AM  

myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.


I have an Infiniti FX45 and it doesn't have self-levelers, but there's a knob I can use to lower the aim of the headlights when I'm driving in a populated area. If I don't, I too get flashed all the time.

I think any truck/suv manufacturer should include such a method of adjustment. Headlights are so much higher on those that it's easy for an oncoming car to think you have your brights on even if you don't.
 
2010-02-27 10:36:10 AM  

Big Dave: Seacop:

It's a trivial inconvenience for experienced drivers who can keep their eyes on the road instead of glancing at every distraction. I'm not the one who wants to make something that annoys me illegal, nor am I chomping at the bit to give rural Tennessee cops another reason to pull me over to fish for a way to ticket me. Do you really think they will be so discriminating as to target only aftermarket lights? Or do you suppose they might just pull over any car with blue headlights whenever they feel like it?

These days Americans are way too quick to give the government the mandate to punish people for doing things they find merely annoying. If there isn't a damn good reason to make something illegal then I'd rather deal with a little annoyance than have this country turn into one big HOA.


What's wrong with HOA's? Sorry for wanting to make sure my property values go down because of your lazy ass.
 
2010-02-27 10:36:29 AM  

Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.

That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.


What is "them?"

Did you have a point, or are you just bloviating to see yourself type?

Did you read and comprehend any of the comments that I've made in this thread? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I know a HELL of a lot more about this issue than 99% of Farkers out there, and have suggested solutions. (e.g. harmonize FMVSS 108 with ECE standards. Obviously ticketing drivers with non-conforming (to existing standards, sadly) equipment is another step that needs to be taken.)

You, on the other hand, latch onto a post that you don't like for some purely emotional reason, and act like a douche. And still have yet to articulate precisely what it is you have to say.

/your post is stupid even for Fark.
 
2010-02-27 10:36:45 AM  

Lord Farkwad: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.


Uhhh no what he says is true. Truck lights are high even on SUVs and normal sedans.
 
2010-02-27 10:37:16 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: In the deep south, "bright" = "suspicious".



That was a pretty bright comment.

Hold on...
 
2010-02-27 10:38:42 AM  

AbbeySomeone: /former optician


not sure how that applies...

/bless you for exiting that soul-sucking profession
//13 years as dispensing optician and lab rat
//been out 10 years
 
2010-02-27 10:40:34 AM  

thefireandpassion: Lord Farkwad: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

It's your choice to drive a cracker box clown car that rides low to the ground. If you drove a full size mans car that isn't so low to the ground, the truck lights wouldn't shine in your eyes.

Uhhh no what he says is true. Truck lights are high even on SUVs and normal sedans.


Somewhat, but FMVSS 108 (and similar regulations in just about every civilized country) specifies a range of mounting heights, so if a vehicle is designed to sit high off the ground from the factory, the headlights will be lower relative to the vehicle body.

Now if the vehicle is lifted, say with an aftermarket suspension kit...
 
2010-02-27 10:41:16 AM  

just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.

That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.

What is "them?"

Did you have a point, or are you just bloviating to see yourself type?

Did you read and comprehend any of the comments that I've made in this thread? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I know a HELL of a lot more about this issue than 99% of Farkers out there, and have suggested solutions. (e.g. harmonize FMVSS 108 with ECE standards. Obviously ticketing drivers with non-conforming (to existing standards, sadly) equipment is another step that needs to be taken.)

You, on the other hand, latch onto a post that you don't like for some purely emotional reason, and act like a douche. And still have yet to articulate precisely what it is you have to say.

/your post is stupid even for Fark.


How about this: These extra bright lights are dangerous. Just because you should look away doesn't mean we should allow products that force this. You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.
 
2010-02-27 10:43:39 AM  

myth321: jxb465: myth321: I drive a 2008 chevy silverado with factory lights. I usually never drive with with my hi beams on, but I get flashed all the time.

It's because the two-foot ground clearance that you don't need puts the level of your headlights at the level of other drivers' eyes rather than their headlights. But don't worry, that one time per year that you actually need a truck makes inconveniencing the majority of people sharing the road with you every other day of the year well worth it.

The "truck" pick-up I drive, is for my business. It's pretty much a one seater, because of all the parts I carry. Silly....


It isn't nice to go ruining someone's preconceived notions. I suppose that they'd think I'd have no need for my SUV either.
 
2010-02-27 10:45:44 AM  
I'll be driving in Tennessee with blue headlights next week, so I'll let ya know.

Mine came with my car, and aren't some aftermarket thing from AutoZone, so I'm kinda guessing they aren't going to give me a ticket.
 
2010-02-27 10:46:01 AM  

Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: just_dis_guy: Seacop: Big Dave: Yeah we've had to deal with these in California for at least a decade.
We got used to them.

/If you can't look away from new, shiny things, maybe it's better you crash.
//Darwin.

So what your advocating is when you see a bright light while driving, close your eyes or look out the passenger side window.


Good advice.

The correct answer is "focus on the white line to your right."

/the more you know
//this has been a part of Driver's Ed for longer than I've been alive
///people do occasionally accidentally leave their brights on, you know, so this is not a new phenomenon

But why should this have to happen more often than the occasional "brights left on"? By your theory you should be able to drive forty miles focusing on just the right side white line, and that's just stupid.

So every oncoming vehicle that you encounter on your average drive after dark has low beams that are painfully glaring? Somehow I find that hard to believe.

/or you actually live inside a movie, possibly "The Fast and The Furious?"

no not every light is glaring, but if it's just as simple as looking at the right line, if EVERY CAR left on the brights you COULD drive 40 miles without looking up from the white line. Reading comprehension, you don't have it.

How often does that happen?

As I said before, the correct thing to do is focus on the white line, because it will a) allow you to keep your car pointed in the correct direction during the short period of time that you aren't able to look down the road in front of you like you normally would and b) not have your pupils close up due to the bright light so that after the oncoming vehicle passes you you're essentially blind for a few seconds. Also, if the oncoming vehicle does have its brights on, a quick courtesy flash of your own brights is in order to let them know that they're blinding you; if the oncoming driver is courteous and just momentarily forgetful that will solve the problem right there.

I'm not certain at all what your point is, because you haven't really articulated one. Either you're saying that you *shouldn't* follow my advice, which is stupid, because it's not my advice at all, it's been the established method of dealing with an oncoming bright light for decades. Or you're saying that you regularly have to deal with miles-long lines of oncoming vehicles that either have their high beams on or else have low beams that are so misadjusted/misdesigned/overwatted that they are effectively the same thing. Either option sounds... what's the word I'm looking for... stupid?

If you can't understand the words that are coming out of my fingers, that's not my problem.

That's the point schmuck, when we get to the point where every jackass on the road has them this will be the scenario, but according to you, hey no farking problem, that's why you deal with it now, so it doesn't end up this way. Great forward thinking.

What is "them?"

Did you have a point, or are you just bloviating to see yourself type?

Did you read and comprehend any of the comments that I've made in this thread? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that I know a HELL of a lot more about this issue than 99% of Farkers out there, and have suggested solutions. (e.g. harmonize FMVSS 108 with ECE standards. Obviously ticketing drivers with non-conforming (to existing standards, sadly) equipment is another step that needs to be taken.)

You, on the other hand, latch onto a post that you don't like for some purely emotional reason, and act like a douche. And still have yet to articulate precisely what it is you have to say.

/your post is stupid even for Fark.

How about this: These extra bright lights are dangerous. Just because you should look away doesn't mean we should allow products that force this. You're probably someone who's in favor of allowing children to carry pocket knives and think gun ownership is ok.


What "extra bright lights" are you talking about? You have yet to specify?

Are you talking about aftermarket overwatt bulbs, HID "conversions" etc? They're already illegal. Theoretically they will be tagged at an annual safety inspection and the owner will be forced to remove them, and if they're really egregious, a police officer would be justified in pulling over and citing the driver of a car so equipped.

Or are you talking about factory installed HIDs? Nothing you can do about them, because they are legal. If you have a problem with them, as I said before, write to NHTSA and let them know that they should mandate an E-code beam pattern and self-levelers (as is already required in European countries.) In the meantime, looking at the white line is the correct course of action in dealing with an individual, oncoming vehicle with glaring headlights.

/sheesh
 
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