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(BusinessWeek)   You can now lease a Tesla Roadster for $1,658 a month. But think of all the gas you'll save   (businessweek.com) divider line 218
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2010-02-26 08:40:30 AM  
I wonder if my mortgage lender takes smug as payment?
 
2010-02-26 08:43:00 AM  
WTF Indeed: I wonder if my mortgage lender takes smug as payment?

Mine does. The problem is the exchange rate between US Smug and US Dollars. After the recent hyperinflation in the Smug market, I've been forced to drive more expensive cars just to make the interest payments on the house.
 
2010-02-26 08:51:38 AM  
FitzShivering: WTF Indeed: I wonder if my mortgage lender takes smug as payment?

Mine does. The problem is the exchange rate between US Smug and US Dollars. After the recent hyperinflation in the Smug market, I've been forced to drive more expensive cars just to make the interest payments on the house.


It's that bad huh? I've only been using smug as payment at Whole Foods. Their Smug Club Card is worth every penny since you actually gain Smug points by even thinking you shop at Whole Foods. I see the market getting better due to the lowered demand of Smug in this economy, and the fact that the law of diminishing returns is not friendly to the market. I'm still in the European Smug Market, that shiats been booming for years.

/oh and,
//::clap::
 
2010-02-26 09:02:13 AM  
Because electricity is FREE!
 
2010-02-26 09:09:49 AM  
You folks are kinda of missing the point here. The Tesla Roadster does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. The 911 carrera 4s does it in 4.5 seconds, at a $95k list.

This is a sports car first, electric car second.

It's also the only electric vehicle with a range even approaching a combustion engine vehicle.
 
2010-02-26 09:19:05 AM  
Babwa Wawa: You folks are kinda of missing the point here. The Tesla Roadster does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. The 911 carrera 4s does it in 4.5 seconds, at a $95k list.

This is a sports car first, electric car second.

It's also the only electric vehicle with a range even approaching a combustion engine vehicle.


My last car did 0-60 in 31 seconds.

Not kidding.

Course, that's why I'm giving it away instead of selling it.
 
2010-02-26 09:29:04 AM  
For 100k I could have a Lotus Exige S, a Prius, and a nice motorcycle.
 
2010-02-26 09:40:41 AM  
Maybe if electric cars didn't cost as much as a house people would buy them.
 
2010-02-26 10:25:05 AM  
Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how cumbersome cars actually are.
 
2010-02-26 10:26:55 AM  
eddyatwork: Maybe if electric cars didn't cost as much as a house people would buy them.

Maybe if people could distinguish between a sports car and an sedan we could have a meaningful discussion.
 
2010-02-26 10:29:25 AM  
How else do you expect to pay the Tesla troopers to supercharge the coils?
 
2010-02-26 10:31:14 AM  
TwistedIvory: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how safe cars actually are.
 
2010-02-26 10:34:19 AM  
www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk

"You're welcome to it, mate."
 
2010-02-26 10:40:29 AM  
TwistedIvory: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how cumbersome cars actually are.

At age 37 i wouldn't brave traffic and loss of life or limb just for the thrill of the acceleration that a twist of the throttle provides.

But I will admit it does. in college, I dated a guy who had a stripped, primered Harley, which was fine. We were all broke and living in HB duplex ghettos. But 30 minutes on the bike up PCH, my arms around him and the hard, vibrating seat...

When we got back, I would tear him up. Whatever. I don't know that anything has wound me up as much before or since.
 
2010-02-26 10:48:12 AM  
It's not about economics. Early adopters fun a lot of what the rest of us take for granted.

Radar-Ranges used to cost a thousand dollars, just to heat up hot dogs. 386 laptops were 2,500 dollars, with no modem. What use is that? And cell phones were the size and shape of a wellington boot, and cost $300 a month to actually use. Gordon Gekko paved the way for $50 a month unlimited voice and texting.

Get back to me in ten years. This is one instance where I trust the free market.
 
2010-02-26 11:52:13 AM  
TwistedIvory: doglover: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how safe cars actually are.

No doubt: Cars are safer.

So let's all have safe fun time, eh?

Also, while bikes aren't a whole lot cheaper than cars (savings in fuel are generally offset by costs of safety gear and maintenance) they're a far sight easier to park and maneuver in traffic. You just have to hope that folks in cars who are angry at being immobile won't assault you.


I haven't been on a bike in years, but I have been thinking about getting one just to ride on the weekends to get out of the city. For a long time I was waffling because of the safety issue, but what the fark...of course, people will laugh at me wearing fully armored gear for tooling around, but whatever. I am toying with the idea of getting a dual sport and playing in the woods a little bit, too.

/MSF class in March, hopefully
 
2010-02-26 12:02:11 PM  
I wonder if my mortgage lender takes smug as payment?'
Whats smug about the tesla roadster? Isn't it the fastest accelerating car available?
 
2010-02-26 12:02:24 PM  
thing of all the tang you'll score.
 
2010-02-26 12:04:03 PM  
Fluff Girl: TwistedIvory: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how cumbersome cars actually are.

At age 37 i wouldn't brave traffic and loss of life or limb just for the thrill of the acceleration that a twist of the throttle provides.

But I will admit it does. in college, I dated a guy who had a stripped, primered Harley, which was fine. We were all broke and living in HB duplex ghettos. But 30 minutes on the bike up PCH, my arms around him and the hard, vibrating seat...

When we got back, I would tear him up. Whatever. I don't know that anything has wound me up as much before or since.


Note to self, invest in a bike.
 
2010-02-26 12:05:29 PM  
Need to burn more coal to generate the electricity... so if I get a Tesla, I'll be contributing to global warming climate change. SIGN ME UP!
 
2010-02-26 12:05:57 PM  
Nightsweat: thing of all the tang you'll score.

I don't want to date an astronaut.
 
2010-02-26 12:07:01 PM  
I wonder if subby has ever seen the price of any new product ever. He'd probably get a hernia from shaitting himself so hard.
 
2010-02-26 12:07:01 PM  
godofusa.com: Need to burn more coal to generate the electricity... so if I get a Tesla, I'll be contributing to global warming climate change. SIGN ME UP!

At least burning coal is a lot more efficient than an internal combustion engine.
 
2010-02-26 12:07:15 PM  
doglover: TwistedIvory: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how safe cars actually are.

I duno, I think I'll stick with the big-ass SUV, makes it a bit easier to get out of the driveway:
mammothcondo.com
 
2010-02-26 12:09:53 PM  
godofusa.com: Need to burn more coal to generate the electricity... so if I get a Tesla, I'll be contributing to global warming climate change. SIGN ME UP!

Good point. And it's not like there are green energy sources like wind power or solar power.

Sign up list
godofusa.com
 
2010-02-26 12:14:07 PM  
TheYeti: For 100k I could have a Lotus Exige S, a Prius, and a nice motorcycle.

And have enough money left over for fuel to last a good 5 years.


mandrsn1: Fluff Girl: TwistedIvory: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how cumbersome cars actually are.

At age 37 i wouldn't brave traffic and loss of life or limb just for the thrill of the acceleration that a twist of the throttle provides.

But I will admit it does. in college, I dated a guy who had a stripped, primered Harley, which was fine. We were all broke and living in HB duplex ghettos. But 30 minutes on the bike up PCH, my arms around him and the hard, vibrating seat...

When we got back, I would tear him up. Whatever. I don't know that anything has wound me up as much before or since.

Note to self, invest in a bike.


Thus why when most women find out I have a motorcycle they ask for a ride, sadly results like Fluff Girl are only about 50/50.


If you are worried about getting hurt on a motorcycle then you are not the type of person who should be riding one. When you ride, your mind needs to be on the road and the people around you, if it isn't you will become road kill.
 
2010-02-26 12:14:09 PM  
The tesla if i remember correctly is a lotus elise body?

The reason this car costs an ass ton is because they first have to pay Lotus for their car minus any mechanical parts.

Second, the battery system they use is a LiPo pack with a mosfet circut attached to every 3 or 4 cells to help monitor energy use. That battery system alone is worth 20-30K

Then they use an AC electric motor so that coasting and breaking gives energy returns. Which also runs around 20K.

The electric car parts in this car alone are worth 50K minimum...

There are alternative solutions though, but they aren't as efficient as the Tesla's set up.

2 9" 12 horsepower DC motors can perform the same as the tesla (400+ pounds of torque each). But they dont give the coasting/breaking energy return.

You can get the same output of energy from a series of deep cell acid based batteries, but they are heavier and take more space.

If someone besides a supercar company invested in the technology to do this, then more would be produced and the price would drop like fat woman on a wet floor...

/fast and sloppy
 
2010-02-26 12:16:00 PM  
mandrsn1: Note to self, invest in a bike.

It's cheaper than blow.
 
2010-02-26 12:16:39 PM  
I don't know about electric cars man. Elon Musk should know this, he just lost three engineers due to power lines.

And they say it's "safe".
 
2010-02-26 12:17:50 PM  
Babwa Wawa: You folks are kinda of missing the point here. The Tesla Roadster does 0-60 in 3.9 seconds. The 911 carrera 4s does it in 4.5 seconds, at a $95k list.

This is a sports car first, electric car second.

It's also the only electric vehicle with a range even approaching a combustion engine vehicle.


Plus it is the only electric car that will get you laid by someone who shaves their armpits.
 
2010-02-26 12:19:41 PM  
TwistedIvory: doglover: Once you start riding motorcycles you realize how safe cars actually are.

No doubt: Cars are safer.

So let's all have safe fun time, eh?



Also, while bikes aren't a whole lot cheaper than cars (savings in fuel are generally offset by costs of safety gear and maintenance) they're a far sight easier to park and maneuver in traffic. You just have to hope that folks in cars who are angry at being immobile won't assault you.


They are if you are not interested in being a Harley-clone or a eurotrash-wannabe. A good used Japanese bike can be had for $3-4K that will provide you with years of trouble free driving. I drive an '01 FZ1 that I purchased 3 years ago for $4200. I drive roughly 10K miles per year and change the oil once in the spring and once during the season. 1 set of tires was $350. Safety gear consists of a $400 worth of helmet, jacket and gloves, and my reg/tax/fuel/maint/ins costs are a fraction of what they are for my car. Fuel mileage is not great on this model, at only 45mpg, but I can run midgrade gas at least. Less sport-tuned bikes that are big enough to be daily drivers and also allow for 2up cruising will get you 50-65mpg easy.
 
2010-02-26 12:19:54 PM  
These guys are real business savvy. Let's make a product no one really wants (there are cheaper sports cars and cheaper better electric cars, you don't really get a benefit from combining the two) that is priced way outside any market that would let it be profitable, and let's try and fix that by offering ridiculously onerous lease terms.

Brilliant!
 
2010-02-26 12:22:28 PM  
lennavan: godofusa.com: Need to burn more coal to generate the electricity... so if I get a Tesla, I'll be contributing to global warming climate change. SIGN ME UP!

Good point. And it's not like there are green energy sources like wind power or solar power.


Remember it was those little can of spray that we citizens were using that made the hole in the ozone layer.

What might happen to the climate if every citizen had solar panels all over their property? What happens to the waste solar panels when they need to be serviced and replaced? How do you think they manufacture solar panels? Do they manufacture solar panels out of thin air with no power?

Let's not forget about the toxic batteries. Manufacture, maintenance, disposal.

There is no holy grail of free power.

You sound dumb.
 
2010-02-26 12:24:02 PM  
they also have a ~$50k sedan in the works
 
2010-02-26 12:24:40 PM  
aninconvenienterection: They are if you are not interested in being a Harley-clone or a eurotrash-wannabe. A good used Japanese bike can be had for $3-4K that will provide you with years of trouble free driving. I drive an '01 FZ1 that I purchased 3 years ago for $4200. I drive roughly 10K miles per year and change the oil once in the spring and once during the season. 1 set of tires was $350. Safety gear consists of a $400 worth of helmet, jacket and gloves, and my reg/tax/fuel/maint/ins costs are a fraction of what they are for my car. Fuel mileage is not great on this model, at only 45mpg, but I can run midgrade gas at least. Less sport-tuned bikes that are big enough to be daily drivers and also allow for 2up cruising will get you 50-65mpg easy.

They hate you because they are jealous that they don't have the balls. they would rather biatch in their gas guzzling tanks, flipping you off, and threatening to open there door as you pass by.

My they certainly are superior to us, aren't they.
 
2010-02-26 12:25:09 PM  
$1,678.00 times 36 month lease equals $59,688 in total payments. You get 30,000 miles with that, so its $1.99 per mile.

cool arithmetic, bro?
 
2010-02-26 12:25:20 PM  
I like my bike, it's the only vehicle I own other than my big truck. I bought the bike used for $6k and spend less than $10 a week oh gas. Of course it is rather inconvenient grocery shopping.

/snow ain't much fun either
 
2010-02-26 12:27:18 PM  
My dumbshiat buddy is paying $700 on a fairly nice pickup. To get something that badass for a little more than double that is a pretty good deal, comparatively.


/if you're one of those that likes to make monthly payments
 
2010-02-26 12:28:43 PM  
Good interview with the CEO by Kevin Pollak

KPCS (new window)
 
2010-02-26 12:32:29 PM  
Early adopters always pay a premium. But if they get enough buy-in then the result will be affordable options for the rest of us. Could take awhile, of course...
 
2010-02-26 12:32:34 PM  
Kanaric: Whats smug about the tesla roadster? Isn't it the fastest accelerating car available?

It's not, but it's more or less competitive with other sports cars in that price range.

From what I understand, the acceleration profile and lack of engine noise makes for a completely different experience.
 
2010-02-26 12:34:37 PM  
Here's $5.00. I'll take two hours worth, and keep the change.
 
2010-02-26 12:34:44 PM  
Jacobin: $1,678.00 times 36 month lease equals $59,688 in total payments. You get 30,000 miles with that, so its $1.99 per mile.

cool arithmetic, bro?


you forgot to add the 800 dollar fee to start, the ~13000 down, and the 375 dollar cancellation. Might as well just buy the thing and sell it for 50k in 3 years.
 
2010-02-26 12:34:59 PM  
What I drive is superior to whatever you drive.
 
2010-02-26 12:36:22 PM  
Twisted Ivory You just have to hope that folks in cars who are angry at being immobile won't assault you.

Doing that in stopped traffic doesn't bother me, but if I had a dollar for every time some moron on a little sport bike was zipping between lanes in moving traffic just because he thought it wasn't moving fast enough I'd.... well, I'd only have a couple bucks, but still. Sometimes I fantasize about opening the door on one of those yahoos.

You can keep your bike, though. I'd rather pay a little more in gas and have a roof over my head.

StoPPeRmobile: aninconvenienterection: They are if you are not interested in being a Harley-clone or a eurotrash-wannabe. A good used Japanese bike can be had for $3-4K that will provide you with years of trouble free driving. I drive an '01 FZ1 that I purchased 3 years ago for $4200. I drive roughly 10K miles per year and change the oil once in the spring and once during the season. 1 set of tires was $350. Safety gear consists of a $400 worth of helmet, jacket and gloves, and my reg/tax/fuel/maint/ins costs are a fraction of what they are for my car. Fuel mileage is not great on this model, at only 45mpg, but I can run midgrade gas at least. Less sport-tuned bikes that are big enough to be daily drivers and also allow for 2up cruising will get you 50-65mpg easy.

They hate you because they are jealous that they don't have the balls. they would rather biatch in their gas guzzling tanks, flipping you off, and threatening to open there door as you pass by.

My they certainly are superior to us, aren't they.


I'll remember all that smug and badly misplaced superiority you've got going on next time it rains and every underpass I go by is populated with your cowering friends.

I'll be sure to splash a few of them too for you, if you'd like.
 
2010-02-26 12:36:59 PM  
What the supercar in question may look like:
cache.jalopnik.com

Article about the supercar in question:

It's made by Lotus, that's why its 100k

/hot like this car
 
2010-02-26 12:38:49 PM  
the Tesla is just a proof of concept. The sedan will be half that price and better use of energy. The next few generations will be even better, and cost less. People don't seem to understand economics. Computers used to cost $4k just for a baseline model. Now I can build a pos from dell for $400
 
2010-02-26 12:43:49 PM  
Babwa Wawa: From what I understand, the acceleration profile and lack of engine noise makes for a completely different experience.


That's why they are going to have speakers to pump out some extra loudness.
 
2010-02-26 12:44:02 PM  
Or I can lease Tesla the band for $1,487 a month.
 
2010-02-26 12:46:34 PM  
Splinshints: Twisted Ivory You just have to hope that folks in cars who are angry at being immobile won't assault you.

Doing that in stopped traffic doesn't bother me, but if I had a dollar for every time some moron on a little sport bike was zipping between lanes in moving traffic just because he thought it wasn't moving fast enough I'd.... well, I'd only have a couple bucks, but still. Sometimes I fantasize about opening the door on one of those yahoos.

You can keep your bike, though. I'd rather pay a little more in gas and have a roof over my head.

StoPPeRmobile: aninconvenienterection: They are if you are not interested in being a Harley-clone or a eurotrash-wannabe. A good used Japanese bike can be had for $3-4K that will provide you with years of trouble free driving. I drive an '01 FZ1 that I purchased 3 years ago for $4200. I drive roughly 10K miles per year and change the oil once in the spring and once during the season. 1 set of tires was $350. Safety gear consists of a $400 worth of helmet, jacket and gloves, and my reg/tax/fuel/maint/ins costs are a fraction of what they are for my car. Fuel mileage is not great on this model, at only 45mpg, but I can run midgrade gas at least. Less sport-tuned bikes that are big enough to be daily drivers and also allow for 2up cruising will get you 50-65mpg easy.

They hate you because they are jealous that they don't have the balls. they would rather biatch in their gas guzzling tanks, flipping you off, and threatening to open there door as you pass by.

My they certainly are superior to us, aren't they.

I'll remember all that smug and badly misplaced superiority you've got going on next time it rains and every underpass I go by is populated with your cowering friends.

I'll be sure to splash a few of them too for you, if you'd like.


See what I mean?

You sound jealous, wimpy, and fat. So you have that going for you.
 
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