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(TampaBay.com (St. Petersburg Tim)   Floridians baffled by new driver's license rules. "My Social Security card says Robert. My birth certificate says Bobby. They went and made me change my Social Security card to Bobby. I changed it and now I'm back"   (tampabay.com) divider line 234
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2010-02-26 06:03:09 AM
Asking someone to use their SSN as a form of ID is not a good idea since the numbers are frequently used by identity thieves.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-02-26 07:26:53 AM
California went through a lesser version of this a decade ago when state officials started requiring that names be spelled exactly as in the Social Security Number database. I think it should be illegal to cross reference SSN and DMV records or require proof of anything beyond competence in driving to get a license.
 
2010-02-26 08:30:38 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Asking someone to use their SSN as a form of ID is not a good idea since the numbers are frequently used by identity thieves.

Thank the REAL-ID Act for this mess.
 
2010-02-26 08:38:52 AM
It would be interesting for someone to pull together a comprehensive list of things that don't confuse Floridians.
 
2010-02-26 08:41:03 AM
Pocket Ninja: It would be interesting for someone to pull together a comprehensive list of things that don't confuse Floridians.

Guns.
Boobs.
Meth.
 
2010-02-26 09:07:02 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Asking someone to use their SSN as a form of ID is not a good idea since the numbers are frequently used by identity thieves.
 
2010-02-26 09:07:51 AM
I deal with cross-referencing directories, and first-name stuff is a mess. Also people who go by their middle name, and women who change their last names upon entering/leaving a marriage.

Just imagine how much fun it's going to be in five years when half the company are Indians, where all the cool kids have four-syllable first and last names.
 
2010-02-26 09:43:23 AM
This will only get worse as names continue to become more creative, like Ashleeygh instead of Jane.
 
2010-02-26 10:09:11 AM
"My Social Security card says Robert. My birth certificate says Bobby. They went and made me change my Social Security card to Bobby. I changed it and now I'm back"

4.bp.blogspot.com

/ you're too old to drive anyway
 
2010-02-26 10:26:46 AM
I went to renew and they revoked it instead. Apparently there was a lock on it from NJ because I didn't return my license plates to them when I moved to Orlando.......16 farking years ago.
 
2010-02-26 11:03:43 AM
"My Social Security card says Robert. My birth certificate says Bobby. They went and made me change my Social Security card to Bobby. I changed it and now I'm back."

Sorry, that means your name is Bobby & your mother's an idiot. My brother-in-law's birth certificate says Ricky. Not Richard, Ricky. Now that he's nearing 30, he wanted Richard put on his NJ DL, but couldn't without legally changing his name.

/I love my mother-in-law dearly, but she is, in fact, an idiot.
//When I went to renew my DL, I brought my birth certificate, old license, & utility bill, per NJ MVC regulations. They made me go back for my marriage certificate, even though that wasn't one of the documents on their list. "The name you want on your license isn't the same as the one on your BC." Never mind the fact that's it's been on my license for 15 years prior to that.
///Stupid Real-ID act.
 
2010-02-26 11:03:45 AM

Lundah


Pocket Ninja: It would be interesting for someone to pull together a comprehensive list of things that don't confuse Floridians.

Guns.
Boobs.
Meth.


Meth labs* tend to explode.


* That's a horrible breed, btw. They should have Golden Retrievers or something.
 
2010-02-26 11:04:02 AM
Okay here's the situation," the 29-year-old told her. "My Social Security card says Robert. My birth certificate says Bobby.

there's too much gender flopping with this robert fella...
 
2010-02-26 11:05:04 AM
Unless you've legally changed your name, shouldn't both SS and DL have your correct legal name? Isn't this only a problem for people who trying to use a name other than their real name?

I'm fairly paranoid about a big brother state, but asking people to put their actual farking name on their identification is not it.
 
2010-02-26 11:05:14 AM
man.. i only posted half a logical thought... nevermind me... i'll just get back to work.

/gonna make a joke about the androgeny of bobby...
//failed
 
2010-02-26 11:08:16 AM
Bathia_Mapes: Asking someone to use their SSN as a form of ID is not a good idea since the numbers are frequently used by identity thieves.

And let's not forget the fact that, printed on the SS card itself, it says, "Not to be used as a form of identification".
 
2010-02-26 11:09:02 AM
The people making these laws, are the same lug-nuts that are trying to fix Health Care, Wooooooohooooo.

Isn't bureaucracy in action entertaining.

/Sits back with a big ole' bag of popcorn. This aught to be fun.
 
2010-02-26 11:09:20 AM
This is one reason why I hate it when people use short forms of my first name.
 
2010-02-26 11:10:01 AM
My license expires next month so I'm not looking forward to this change...
 
2010-02-26 11:11:00 AM
pearls before swine: Unless you've legally changed your name, shouldn't both SS and DL have your correct legal name? Isn't this only a problem for people who trying to use a name other than their real name?

That depends. When the kid is born if the parents give him/her one name, but later decide they want his/her official name to be something else, they can screw things up. I imagine this was more of a problem for previous generations than the current one.

My grandmother had a nick-name on her birth certificate and a proper name on her SS card. It wasn't until a few years before her death as she was getting things in order that she finally discovered this and went through the trouble of getting things fixed. And she was married and already went through one name change back in the 40s, so it really should not have mattered... but it did.
 
2010-02-26 11:11:03 AM
Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.
 
2010-02-26 11:11:12 AM
Sure its obtrusive, unnecessary, and ridiculous, but now we'll never have another terrorist attack, ever.
 
2010-02-26 11:11:40 AM
I just moved to VA and had a PA license before that. At the DMV, I was surprised by the number of people turned away because they didn't have the required proofs of identification, even those who appeared to have been born after the advent of the internet. There was a handy tool that let you know exactly what you needed in order to get one.

VA requires you to prove the following:
* Identity
* Legal presence in the United States
* Social security number, if you have been issued one
* Virginia residency

I understand the reasoning for requiring all of that, and had no problems producing that documentation, but I think FL (and possibly other states) should offer a more generous way of grandfathering in older/special cases. Although, when in doubt, contact your congressman.
 
2010-02-26 11:14:32 AM
Floridians are baffled by doorknobs, why would consistent naming practices cause them any less difficulty?
 
2010-02-26 11:15:49 AM
1. Yes the requirements can be frustrating

2. No, the requirements aren't exactly hard- Birth Certificate or Passport, SS Card, and two utility or credit card bills with your address and name on.

3. The article chooses as its protagonist someone who lost their license because they got a DUI. Sorry, I'm having trouble feeling sorry for this guy.


In summation, shut up.
 
2010-02-26 11:16:20 AM
"The new rules are part of a federal law called Real ID, which Congress passed in 2005 out of concern that drivers' licenses were too easy to get."

Has anyone mentioned yet that Real ID Act doesn't make anyone safer and its a big waste of time?
 
2010-02-26 11:19:25 AM
pearls before swine: Unless you've legally changed your name, shouldn't both SS and DL have your correct legal name? Isn't this only a problem for people who trying to use a name other than their real name?

I'm fairly paranoid about a big brother state, but asking people to put their actual farking name on their identification is not it.


That's why I really can't see the outrage in this story. I really don't see an issue with having your birth certificate, SS card, driver's license, and passport all having the same name. For your own sake, it would certainly lessen any confusion anywhere, like at airports or filling out an I-9 for a new job.
 
2010-02-26 11:20:03 AM
ZAZ: California went through a lesser version of this a decade ago when state officials started requiring that names be spelled exactly as in the Social Security Number database. I think it should be illegal to cross reference SSN and DMV records or require proof of anything beyond competence in driving to get a license.

Thats a good plan, its not like there are people who are barred from getting a license based on their DMV records or their criminal back rounds.
 
2010-02-26 11:20:28 AM
SecretAgentWoman: Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.

If you can still walk into a motor vehicles branch and walk out with a license in your hand, be happy.

REAL-ID requires that the state shift from over-the-counter to a central issuance model, which means it gets mailed to you after they perform biometrics matching against all the other images in their database to make sure you're not trying to obtain a license under a fraudulent name, make sure you're not on a terrist watch list, decide whether or not you just look shifty, etc.
 
2010-02-26 11:21:11 AM
Gore lost. Get over it.
 
2010-02-26 11:22:02 AM
Thank FSM I got my DL renewed in November, before all this crap took effect. The new one doesn't expire till 2017, so hopefully Real ID will get repealed before then.
 
2010-02-26 11:23:26 AM
brigid_fitch: Now that he's nearing 30, he wanted Richard put on his NJ DL, but couldn't without legally changing his name.

What a dick.
 
2010-02-26 11:27:02 AM
We've given the terrorists what they wanted: made life less enjoyable in the US. And most people accept it willingly for the sake of feeling safer, because the terrorists have successfully instilled terror in the populace. There are plenty of ways to operate without an ID of any kind. The only people inconvenienced by this are law-abiding citizens.

Stuff like this will only get worse so long as we continue to take the short-term view.
 
2010-02-26 11:27:17 AM
ZAZ: California went through a lesser version of this a decade ago when state officials started requiring that names be spelled exactly as in the Social Security Number database. I think it should be illegal to cross reference SSN and DMV records or require proof of anything beyond competence in driving to get a license.

BUT ILLEGALS!!!! HURRR! HURRR!!

It's amusing how Republican's cry about "government bureaucracy" but in the same breathe they want everyone to prove their citizenship (sometimes with ORIGINAL long form birth certificates) for every legal transaction.
 
2010-02-26 11:27:44 AM
SecretAgentWoman: Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.

You know, that's an interesting thing; on one paw, it shows that they're sticking up to the evil Federals. But on the other paw, it shows that they're HALPING TEH TURRORISTS!
 
2010-02-26 11:29:23 AM
Satanic_Hamster: SecretAgentWoman: Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.

You know, that's an interesting thing; on one paw, it shows that they're sticking up to the evil Federals. But on the other paw, it shows that they're HALPING TEH TURRORISTS!


And helping the "illegals" which is even worse than terrorists to them.
 
2010-02-26 11:31:00 AM
My mother's second husband legally adopted me when I was 8 and I changed my name. So I have two "birth certificates". Which one is the valid one? Do I require both for everything?
 
2010-02-26 11:31:19 AM
Corvus: Satanic_Hamster: SecretAgentWoman: Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.

You know, that's an interesting thing; on one paw, it shows that they're sticking up to the evil Federals. But on the other paw, it shows that they're HALPING TEH TURRORISTS!

And helping the "illegals" which is even worse than terrorists to them.


Oooo, good point. I completely forgot about the OTHER brown people.
 
2010-02-26 11:31:25 AM
A year and a half ago my wife needed to get her drivers license renewed a few weeks after getting married. We still hadn't updated her info with Social Security. We also hadn't recieved an official marriae licnese yet. She brought the cheapy, fake, just-for-fun little marriage document our JP printed off for us when he did our legal marriage stuff and I was amazed they let her use that to change her name.

It was litterally like a word document with a shiny little gold sticker on the top of it.

I'm pretty sure that being a white girl helped but man I was amazed. The DMV isn't exactly known for their lax documentation standards...

In summary, I have nothing constructive to add to this discussion.
 
2010-02-26 11:31:58 AM
Those requirements are nothing compared to the ones in NJ. I had to show a "chain of evidence" from my birth through my 2nd marriage, which took awhile to collect, but I got through it all right. However, trying to get 6 points of ID for my oldest daughter to get her license 6 years ago nearly made my head explode. They want picture ID that you already have. Or a thousand other things that can't be gotten with picture ID which you cannot get without the other things which you can no longer get without picture ID because of the Patriot Act. Finally, at the end of the day when I nearly went postal on the DMV (figuratively only,) the manager accepted what I had for her, which he called 5 points. And now the rules here allow parents to offer 5 pts for their kids if they are under 18. Over 18? Out of luck.

If your name has changed since birth or you haven't been going by the "official" one, which used to be rather common for kids whose parents remarry, etc., you are not a citizen.

NOT cool.
 
2010-02-26 11:32:25 AM
bravian: "The new rules are part of a federal law called Real ID, which Congress passed in 2005 out of concern that drivers' licenses were too easy to get."

Has anyone mentioned yet that Real ID Act doesn't make anyone safer and its a big waste of time?


Perfect example:

Last time I went to MVC, I dutifully handed all my documentation to the "checker". She issued me a numbered card, initialed my application, and directed me to the waiting area until my number was called.

10 minutes later, I get called to the window, woman sees the initials, enters my info into the computer, and directs me to the photo area where I wait 20 minutes. Get my photo taken, wait again while DL is processed, & pay in cash.

However, at no point between the "checker" and getting my actual license were my credentials ever re-checked. It doesn't take a brainiac to figure out how to circumvent the system. All I would have to do is present my ID and then let some terrorist take my initialed application to the window. Now a terrorist has a perfectly valid ID that can be presented anywhere.

/Wondering how long it'll take DHS to flag this post & break down my door...
 
2010-02-26 11:34:33 AM
First generation American here. I never understood that nickname...

How the hell do you get Bob from Robert? Or Billy from William?

Dre from Andre I get, Matt from Matthew sure, but Bob?

Where did it all come from?
 
2010-02-26 11:35:11 AM
lilistonic: They want picture ID that you already have. Or a thousand other things that can't be gotten with picture ID which you cannot get without the other things which you can no longer get without picture ID because of the Patriot Act

basically you're saying that your daughter had neither a photo ID for school nor a passport at the age of 16.
I find that hard to believe.
 
2010-02-26 11:35:15 AM
Diogenes: My mother's second husband legally adopted me when I was 8 and I changed my name. So I have two "birth certificates". Which one is the valid one? Do I require both for everything?

Probably your original one & the adoption certificate, much like the case of any married woman who changed her name--I need my BC & Marriage License whenever I go.

/But call to make sure. These idiots have no problem sending you away without telling you why.
 
2010-02-26 11:35:23 AM
That reminds me of trying to get an ID for my wife in Pennsylvania. To get her ID with her married name she had to have a copy of her SS card with her new name on it.

To get her name changed on her SS card they made her present ID with her new name on it, which she couldn't get without having her name changed on her SS card.

That was fun.
 
2010-02-26 11:35:24 AM
Godfrey: SecretAgentWoman: Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.

If you can still walk into a motor vehicles branch and walk out with a license in your hand, be happy.

REAL-ID requires that the state shift from over-the-counter to a central issuance model, which means it gets mailed to you after they perform biometrics matching against all the other images in their database to make sure you're not trying to obtain a license under a fraudulent name, make sure you're not on a terrist watch list, decide whether or not you just look shifty, etc.


Thats why those farkers wouldnt give it to me directly.
 
2010-02-26 11:36:25 AM
SecretAgentWoman: Texas refuses to be real-ID compliant. I'm not sure I should be happy or pissed.

Im happy, passport and drivers license say my name but ss card has my initials

My father doesn't have a copy of his original birth certificate,
seems the courthouse burned to the ground in 1945
 
2010-02-26 11:37:16 AM
I also don't see the problem. They want the same name on your birth certificate as you have on your state-issued drivers license. And they want original birth certificates (which, granted, can be hard to obtain) as well, to verify the names.

If you've ever biatched about ID theft or undocumented immigrants having drivers licenses, none of this should be a problem. It's why they're doing this shiat. So Manuel (or Ahmed) can't get a drivers license using your name or a fake name with a fake birth certificate showing they're legal when they're not. That's probably also the reason (supposedly) why they ask you to produce a SS card. Although I don't see the point of that, really, they're apparently really easy to counterfeit (last I heard, maybe they've incorporated anti-counterfeit measures into those recently).
 
2010-02-26 11:38:01 AM
Katie98_KT: 1. Yes the requirements can be frustrating

2. No, the requirements aren't exactly hard- Birth Certificate or Passport, SS Card, and two utility or credit card bills with your address and name on.

3. The article chooses as its protagonist someone who lost their license because they got a DUI. Sorry, I'm having trouble feeling sorry for this guy.


In summation, shut up.


Wow, I'm glad you live such a perfect life where you've never misplaced a document or made a single mistake ever.

I've moved around so much that I have no idea where my original birth certificate is anymore, but when I go in a month from now to renew my license I'm going to have to magically produce it anyway even though I already have one license, my social security card and government ID issued by the Department of Defense. This law is pointless, it adds needless bureaucracy without providing any meaningful benefit.

In summation, fark you, you're a tool.
 
2010-02-26 11:38:06 AM
Katie98_KT: basically you're saying that your daughter had neither a photo ID for school nor a passport at the age of 16.
I find that hard to believe.


Why? The only reason I had photo ID when I was 16 was because my dad was in the military so I had a military dependent ID. Our schools didn't give any form of ID and I didn't have my passport until I was an adult.

It's not at all uncommon to be 16 without any form of photo ID.
 
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