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(The New York Times)   Spoiled NYC parents hire high-priced occupational therapists to train their precious snowflakes to hold a pencil or wield scissors   (nytimes.com) divider line 185
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2010-02-25 03:14:26 PM  
Give me a break. I remember having to take handwriting/penmanship classes until the 4th or 5th grade in school. Do they not offer those classes anymore, or is that just due to the fact that I went to Catholic school?
 
2010-02-25 03:27:11 PM  
When his mother, Paula Lascano, tried to cajole him into completing a few workbook assignments, he reported that "his hand got too tired."

Happens to me daily.
 
2010-02-25 03:29:38 PM  
Ah, the NYT style section. Always right on time with the rage-inducing idiocy.
 
2010-02-25 03:34:19 PM  
They are using their own money to help their children.

I am not outraged.
 
2010-02-25 03:35:26 PM  
I remember penmanship classes when I attended public school, but they don't teach this anymore locally. Of course I attended school quite a few years ago.
 
2010-02-25 03:41:38 PM  
Two freaking pages and not one mention of dyspraxia?

Fail.
 
2010-02-25 04:06:59 PM  
Adman12: Two freaking pages and not one mention of dyspraxia?

Fail.


I thought that link was a joke when I first read it.
 
2010-02-25 04:10:24 PM  
mrapier: Adman12: Two freaking pages and not one mention of dyspraxia?

Fail.

I thought that link was a joke when I first read it.


No, it's a fairly serious but not well understood developmental disorder. Kids with it have physical difficulty with a number of tasks that are part of ordinary schooling, and need extra help to learn techniques for coping.

My wife's a teacher, so she stays on top of this stuff.
 
2010-02-25 04:10:58 PM  
Bathia_Mapes: I remember penmanship classes when I attended public school, but they don't teach this anymore locally. Of course I attended school quite a few years ago.

There simply are not enough hours in the school day now. Most of the day is basic Math and English so they can pass standardized tests. Some teachers who do find the time just don't want to teach penmanship. About 20-30% of my eighth-graders could write in cursive, and that's because they learned it in Mexico. It's sad, really.
 
2010-02-25 04:12:33 PM  
cap129: Give me a break. I remember having to take handwriting/penmanship classes until the 4th or 5th grade in school. Do they not offer those classes anymore, or is that just due to the fact that I went to Catholic school?

got me. I remember those endless handwriting drills tho. I write illegibly out of spite.
 
2010-02-25 04:13:42 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers: Bathia_Mapes: I remember penmanship classes when I attended public school, but they don't teach this anymore locally. Of course I attended school quite a few years ago.

There simply are not enough hours in the school day now. Most of the day is basic Math and English so they can pass standardized tests. Some teachers who do find the time just don't want to teach penmanship. About 20-30% of my eighth-graders could write in cursive, and that's because they learned it in Mexico. It's sad, really.


Why is it sad? What purpose does cursive writing really serve? Applying that time to, say, fractions sounds good to me. Lots of kids have trouble with fractions, and that's actually important.
 
2010-02-25 04:14:03 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers: Bathia_Mapes: I remember penmanship classes when I attended public school, but they don't teach this anymore locally. Of course I attended school quite a few years ago.

There simply are not enough hours in the school day now. Most of the day is basic Math and English so they can pass standardized tests. Some teachers who do find the time just don't want to teach penmanship. About 20-30% of my eighth-graders could write in cursive, and that's because they learned it in Mexico. It's sad, really.


gotta say; math, science and english are a bit more important than cursive.

why did cursive ever become popular? it is impossible to read and takes longer to write.
 
2010-02-25 04:18:21 PM  
I failed handwriting in 3rd grade, so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

My handwriting is atrocious. I never write in cursive because you literally wouldn't be able to read it.

This effects my life....not at all.
 
2010-02-25 04:19:09 PM  
Weaver95: I write illegibly out of spite.

So you're a doctor?
 
2010-02-25 04:19:36 PM  
As someone who has recently had to start OT, I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

/always wanted to say that
 
2010-02-25 04:25:42 PM  
Blues_X: Weaver95: I write illegibly out of spite.

So you're a doctor?


nah, i'm just vindictive and spiteful.
 
2010-02-25 04:31:20 PM  
Weaver95: Blues_X: Weaver95: I write illegibly out of spite.

So you're a doctor?

nah, i'm just vindictive and spiteful.


a poetry professor?
 
2010-02-25 04:43:08 PM  
I still don't hold a pen the right way.
 
2010-02-25 04:44:56 PM  
Vampire_Blues: it is impossible to read and takes longer to write.

It's actually faster to write if you have a decent grasp of it.
 
2010-02-25 04:45:12 PM  
I was never taught how to hold a pen. I hold it between my middle and index finger. My handwriting looks like a 8 year-old mongoloid's.

But thanks to computers people rarely have to decipher anything that I hand write anymore.
 
2010-02-25 04:46:46 PM  
Adman12: mrapier: Adman12: Two freaking pages and not one mention of dyspraxia?

Fail.

I thought that link was a joke when I first read it.

No, it's a fairly serious but not well understood developmental disorder. Kids with it have physical difficulty with a number of tasks that are part of ordinary schooling, and need extra help to learn techniques for coping.

My wife's a teacher, so she stays on top of this stuff.


stays on top of the "stuff"...you mean childern?

/im so sorry :(
 
2010-02-25 04:47:26 PM  
My handwriting is illegible at most times. When I don't have my morning coffee and take notes in a half-comatose state, my handwriting looks like backwards Arabic calligraphy.

So, I don't really see the problem with a little kid having crappy handwriting. Just give him some coffee.
 
2010-02-25 04:48:27 PM  
btu what abuot my tyipng disordre?
 
2010-02-25 04:48:39 PM  
My son is in 4th grade. Cursive was handled in 3rd grade only. It starts and stop there. Penmanship in general depends on the teacher. Some require neatness, some do not. My son writes like I do, with a crude interpretation of chicken scratch, or at least he did write like I do, because now he writes perfectly fine because we bought a few workbooks and had him do writing every day along with his daily reading. Now he penmanship is fine.

As far as the kids complaining about their hands hurt, maybe if the dumbass parents let their kids go play outside they would build strength and dexterity in their hands and fingers climbing on shiat and digging through the dirt.
 
2010-02-25 04:48:59 PM  
There is no logical reason to write in cursive.
 
2010-02-25 04:49:14 PM  
Crap. I guess handwriting is another thing that I'll have to teach my kid, because the schools won't...
 
2010-02-25 04:49:15 PM  

Spoiled NYC parents hire high-priced occupational therapists to train their precious snowflakes to hold a pencil or wield scissors


*swirls headline around in glass*

*puts nose in glass, inhales deeply*

I detect heavy class envy overtones with a lingering hint of jealousy and weak notes of peevishness.
 
2010-02-25 04:50:24 PM  
ecmoRandomNumbers: Bathia_Mapes: I remember penmanship classes when I attended public school, but they don't teach this anymore locally. Of course I attended school quite a few years ago.

There simply are not enough hours in the school day now. Most of the day is basic Math and English so they can pass standardized tests. Some teachers who do find the time just don't want to teach penmanship. About 20-30% of my eighth-graders could write in cursive, and that's because they learned it in Mexico. It's sad, really.


Better than my nieces, who appeared to spend every day gluing factoids to bristol board and building dioramas. Actual reading and math would be a massive improvement.

But yeah, as one of those ham-fisted kids who took forever to learn to print at a functional speed, I really can't fault the parents for hiring help when the problem arises.
 
2010-02-25 04:50:30 PM  
Once again, reminded why I hate the NYT, and am SO glad they're on the way into the toilet.

I hate class envy. You can't point to ONE ASSWHOLE on this site who wouldn't provide EXACTLY the same thing for their kids that these people are, if only we had the means to.

STFU
 
2010-02-25 04:50:53 PM  
Hmmm...I wonder if they will help teach the boys how to hold their flesh colored crayon
 
2010-02-25 04:51:04 PM  
girljen: Crap. I guess handwriting is another thing that I'll have to teach my kid, because the schools won't...

handwriting
gym
what else?
 
2010-02-25 04:51:13 PM  
Kids that need special help learning to write should be in special ed classes.
 
2010-02-25 04:51:36 PM  
Roadogs: When his mother, Paula Lascano, tried to cajole him into completing a few workbook assignments, he reported that "his hand got too tired."

Happens to me daily.


All kids biatch about having to do homework, even mine, who are honestly overworked by the demanding and biatch-ass ME.

,.
 
2010-02-25 04:51:58 PM  
Does anyone write anything down anymore? Teach them to sign their name and then toss them into a typing class.
 
2010-02-25 04:51:59 PM  
Solty Dog: There is no logical reason to write in cursive.

It is quicker to write in cursive than to use block letters, because letters are interconnected and the letters and words flow coherently. Unless you are incapable of writing in cursive, and just look like a fool.
 
2010-02-25 04:51:59 PM  
Blues_X: Weaver95: I write illegibly out of spite.

So you're a doctor?


I inherited my dad's handwriting (he's a doctor), that and I'm a lefty, so there.
 
2010-02-25 04:52:31 PM  
Dyspraxia is a real problem - recently I was visiting a classroom for dyspraxic kids and you could tell immediately that something was off - they're cognitively normal but a lot of them had massive coordination problems (couldn't ride a tricycle, some of them needed help walking) and as something was off with the muscles in their mouths, they spoke in a very slurry, hard-to-understand way. It doesn't sound like a lot of the kids in the article have that sort of problem, though - they sound more like typical small boys who, like mine, just aren't as quick to develop fine motor skills. And yes, they sometimes need an extra boost, but seriously, you can do a lot of that stuff yourself - have them make play-doh with you, play Perfection, anything that helps them practice their tripod grip.

I think the real pathology here is the "brutally competitive preschool admissions process." I bet these parents could solve a lot of their kids' problems by just getting the hell out of Manhattan.
 
2010-02-25 04:52:32 PM  
thalidomide new and improved: Once again, reminded why I hate the NYT, and am SO glad they're on the way into the toilet.

I hate class envy. You can't point to ONE ASSWHOLE on this site who wouldn't provide EXACTLY the same thing for their kids that these people are, if only we had the means to.

STFU


You can call me what you want, but if I were the wealthiest person in the world, I wouldn't hire a stinking occupational therapist to teach my kid to write. I'd do it myself if the school wouldn't. That's what parents are supposed to do.
 
2010-02-25 04:52:50 PM  
Roadogs: Happens to me daily.

I heard your workbook pages get stuck together.

thalidomide new and improved: I hate class envy. You can't point to ONE ASSWHOLE on this site who wouldn't provide EXACTLY the same thing for their kids that these people are, if only we had the means to.

Buy me a Lexus farkwit.
 
2010-02-25 04:52:53 PM  
tezdoll: handwriting
gym
what else?


I had mandatory shop and family studies classes between grades 6 and 8. I don't think they do that anymore.

/A scroll saw and a sewing machine are surprisingly similar.
 
2010-02-25 04:53:24 PM  
tezdoll: girljen: Crap. I guess handwriting is another thing that I'll have to teach my kid, because the schools won't...

handwriting
gym
what else?


Tag, butts-up, cowboys and indians/cops and robbers, etc

/no touching and no stereotyping games!
 
2010-02-25 04:53:34 PM  
thalassatx: Kids that need special help learning to write should be in special ed classes.

I still can't write. I can write a childish, very round and big cursive if I stick my tongue out and write very, very slowly.

Been that way all my life. Wired wrong, I guess

.
 
2010-02-25 04:54:06 PM  
Jealous_Darling: Does anyone write anything down anymore?

idk my bff jill
 
2010-02-25 04:54:37 PM  
RenownedCurator: I bet these parents could solve a lot of their kids' problems by just getting the hell out of Manhattan.

pretty much
 
2010-02-25 04:55:14 PM  
DistendedPendulusFrenulum: I still can't write. I can write a childish, very round and big cursive if I stick my tongue out and write very, very slowly.

Ditto. Learned in grade 4, forgot it by grade 6. Learned just enough to develop a nice doctor's signature and stopped learning cursive from there.

In 10 years it'll be normal for every kid in the room to have a netbook anyways.
 
2010-02-25 04:55:24 PM  
bhcompy: RenownedCurator: I bet these parents could solve a lot of their kids' problems by just getting the hell out of Manhattan.

pretty much


Manhattan is a big-ass museum now. It's like Brussels or something

.
 
2010-02-25 04:56:07 PM  
This: tezdoll: handwriting
gym
what else?

I had mandatory shop and family studies classes between grades 6 and 8. I don't think they do that anymore.

/A scroll saw and a sewing machine are surprisingly similar.


You get a better spurt of blood with the scroll saw though.
 
2010-02-25 04:56:08 PM  
tezdoll: Adman12: mrapier: Adman12: Two freaking pages and not one mention of dyspraxia?

Fail.

I thought that link was a joke when I first read it.

No, it's a fairly serious but not well understood developmental disorder. Kids with it have physical difficulty with a number of tasks that are part of ordinary schooling, and need extra help to learn techniques for coping.

My wife's a teacher, so she stays on top of this stuff.

stays on top of the "stuff"...you mean childern?

/im so sorry :(


.....nice.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2010-02-25 04:56:41 PM  
This: tezdoll: handwriting
gym
what else?

I had mandatory shop and family studies classes between grades 6 and 8. I don't think they do that anymore.

/A scroll saw and a sewing machine are surprisingly similar.


I had all kinds of stuff in my middle school.

Home ec. Shop/electronics, band, music, im sure there was something else in there. I guess i will just have to buy my son a mexican building play set...im mean handy many of course...
 
2010-02-25 04:56:49 PM  
If I haven't seen this in person I wouldn't beleive it.

When my son was in the 3rd grade a few of classmates had to leave the class to attend special "handwriting" sessions.

It would be easy for me to say that these kid's parents were lazy for not making them practice handwriting for a very young age.
Is there a developmental problem with these kids? I don't know.

So I'm lazy and tired so I'll blame the lazy ass parents for not helping their kids.
 
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