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(Yahoo)   Man who spent the last 8 years in jail after jury refused to buy his ridiculous defense that his Toyota suddenly accelerated on its own without warning, might have a huge "sorry about that" coming   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 535
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2010-02-25 11:05:27 AM  
WTF??? He got 8 years for a traffic accident??? Even if the car wasn't the problem, how the hell did they justify criminal homicide? I'd like to see the makeup of that jury, because it sounds on the face of it like a case of some white people making an example of one of those crazy ricers.
 
2010-02-25 11:10:37 AM  
now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars can do.
 
2010-02-25 11:18:08 AM  
Gwendolyn: now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars can do.


For eight years of my life and I'm sure what was not a fun time in the ole penal system, it damn well better be in the upper limits of that amount. If he is found to not responsible, of course.
 
2010-02-25 11:23:35 AM  
Gwendolyn: now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars can do.


Would you do anything different if it were your close family members killed by a negligently designed product? I'd be pissed as hell if my husband, my brother, my nephew or any close family member were innocent bystanders killed because some big corporation made a poorly designed product and I'd want to sue them into bankruptsy and see people in jail for it.

/finds it hard to believe any typical person would feel differently
 
2010-02-25 11:25:42 AM  
Crusader: Gwendolyn: now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars can do.

For eight years of my life and I'm sure what was not a fun time in the ole penal system, it damn well better be in the upper limits of that amount. If he is found to not responsible, of course.


The family of the dead people, after giving impact statements that convinced the judge to give the maxim sentence, now have decided he is innocent and will sue Toyota. The guy in prison isn't suing anyone. Although he should there was some serious racism going on in that court room or the article is missing a hell of a lot of information.
 
2010-02-25 11:26:00 AM  
1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic
 
2010-02-25 11:59:27 AM  
Father Jack Hacket: 1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic


So, you're just talking out your ass?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2010-02-25 12:00:10 PM  
I don't believe the Toyota defense. On the other hand, he didn't deserve 8 years for stepping on the gas instead of the brake.
 
2010-02-25 12:00:40 PM  
Father Jack Hacket: 1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic


I'm just a shadetree guy, but I'm not aware of drive-by-wire systems in regular passenger cars that long ago.

Sure, the cable might have stuck, but there are plenty of isolated incidents like that (and not necessarily part of the current fiasco).
 
2010-02-25 12:06:55 PM  
There isn't a recall before like 2006, right? Good try and all, but I don't think it's going anywhere.
 
2010-02-25 12:19:08 PM  
GAT_00: There isn't a recall before like 2006, right? Good try and all, but I don't think it's going anywhere.

The guy did 70 up an offramp and rammed the car in front of him while carrying his pregnant wife, daughter and family members? This seems more likely to you?
 
2010-02-25 12:21:40 PM  
savage henry: The guy did 70 up an offramp and rammed the car in front of him while carrying his pregnant wife, daughter and family members? This seems more likely to you?

There's no level of insane people aren't capable of. And to recount an earlier point, I'm not convinced a '96 was advanced enough to have the failure.
 
2010-02-25 12:21:57 PM  
NikolaiFarkoff: Father Jack Hacket: 1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic

I'm just a shadetree guy, but I'm not aware of drive-by-wire systems in regular passenger cars that long ago.

Sure, the cable might have stuck, but there are plenty of isolated incidents like that (and not necessarily part of the current fiasco).


FTFA:
Lee's Camry wasn't among those subject to Toyota's recent safety recalls, but Toyota did recall some 1996 Camrys for defective cruise controls that could cause sudden acceleration.
 
2010-02-25 12:27:56 PM  
Bottom line on that one.. for a traffic accident.. 8 years? That's overkill for an obvious mistake. The jury and prosecuting attorney should all be drug out in the street and shot.

/which seems to be my way to fix most of the issues in the US today
 
2010-02-25 12:30:30 PM  
Gwendolyn: now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars eight years in prison for a crime that was not your fault can do.


FTFY.
 
2010-02-25 12:40:31 PM  
HeartBurnKid: Gwendolyn: now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars eight years in prison for a crime that was not your fault can do.

FTFY.


FFS - Gwendolyn was mentioning that the FAMILY will be suing, not the guy in jail. And I totally agree with her sentiments. Nicely put, Gwendolyn
 
2010-02-25 01:02:38 PM  
Dr.Knockboots: Bottom line on that one.. for a traffic accident.. 8 years? That's overkill for an obvious mistake. The jury and prosecuting attorney should all be drug out in the street and shot.

/which seems to be my way to fix most of the issues in the US today


Donte Stallworth only got 30 days in jail for driving drunk and killing someone. There's definitely a problem with the legal system.
 
2010-02-25 01:21:45 PM  
I think they should sue, and win, and then trade places with the man they put in prison.
 
2010-02-25 01:22:15 PM  
Talon: I'd be pissed as hell if my husband, my brother, my nephew or any close family member were innocent bystanders killed because some big corporation made a poorly designed product and I'd want to sue them into bankruptsy and see people in jail for it.

I'd only feel that way if the company knew about the design flaw and still ran with it.

If it was good-faith error, I'm not going to sue or want to see anyone in jail.
 
2010-02-25 01:22:24 PM  
Dinki: WTF??? He got 8 years for a traffic accident??? Even if the car wasn't the problem, how the hell did they justify criminal homicide? I'd like to see the makeup of that jury, because it sounds on the face of it like a case of some white people making an example of one of those crazy ricers.

This.
 
2010-02-25 01:22:28 PM  
The Fourth Karamazov: Father Jack Hacket: 1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic

So, you're just talking out your ass?


/this
 
2010-02-25 01:22:47 PM  
Dinki: WTF??? He got 8 years for a traffic accident??? Even if the car wasn't the problem, how the hell did they justify criminal homicide?.

This.
 
2010-02-25 01:22:57 PM  
Yeah, so the car gets to 70-80mph with brakes fully applied and you don't attempt to turn off the ignition or steer away from the stopped.

You deserve the jail time for either doing this on purpose or being a complete idiot.
 
2010-02-25 01:22:59 PM  
Talon: Would you do anything different if it were your close family members killed by a negligently designed product?

My problem is that I have a feeling that scenario went like this:

Family of victims: STRING HIM UP! He's a MURDERER! He's a liar! Don't believe anything he says! There's no way he didn't intentionally kill! Just look at him!

Now:
Family of victims: Oh yeah, he'$ probably innocent. $TRING TOYOTA UP! They're MURDERER$! They're liar$! Don't believe...

I guess I feel the families should be charged with stealing 8 years of this guy's life if they're pulling the dollar signs out.
 
2010-02-25 01:23:58 PM  
So, will there be serious ramifications?
 
2010-02-25 01:24:27 PM  
Asian drivers are defective
 
2010-02-25 01:24:31 PM  
Talon: Gwendolyn: now believe he is innocent and are planning to sue Toyota

Ah what the smell of millions of dollars can do.

Would you do anything different if it were your close family members killed by a negligently designed product? I'd be pissed as hell if my husband, my brother, my nephew or any close family member were innocent bystanders killed because some big corporation made a poorly designed product and I'd want to sue them into bankruptsy and see people in jail for it.

/finds it hard to believe any typical person would feel differently


I think in this case it's the fact that they seem to suddenly believe his word when they realize they can sue Toyota and get way more than they could have from him. Given that his car wasn't on the list of anything connected to the current recall, nothing has changed in this case other than there being a glimmer of greed in the victims' families.
 
2010-02-25 01:25:36 PM  
Subby,who approved this?

"Man who spent the last 8 years in jail.."

He was sentenced in 2004
 
2010-02-25 01:25:47 PM  
I'd do 8 years in prison if it were the easiest way for me to not spend 65 years as a wage slave. Eight million dollars? Bring it on.

In all seriousness, though, I'm from Baltimore and our Ravens just signed Donte Stallworth, a dude who got off with almost no consequences considering he killed a pedestrian while DUI. There have to be local variances in laws that account for this stuff?
 
2010-02-25 01:25:56 PM  
He's still guilty of committing a DWA. (Driving While Asian).
 
2010-02-25 01:26:16 PM  
as non-racist fark member... lets give him the benefit of the doubt until its proven that the car has no such issues.

toyota in america was blaming it on drivers and bad break pedals until a month ago.. so don't throw this guy under the bus yet.
 
2010-02-25 01:26:42 PM  
And this is why I drive a manual.

Why would I want to surrender that much control over my vehicle? Accelerators stuck? A minor problem. Shift into neutral, stop, and then figure out how to kill the gas.
 
2010-02-25 01:26:46 PM  
I heard a radio report on this guy last week and he was interviewed for it. Evidently the judge threw the book at him and basically called him out as a murderer.

He should be released, he should get a ton of money and the judge should be put on the "who needs a good cockpunching?" graphic.
 
2010-02-25 01:26:58 PM  
The more of these people who come out of the woodwork, the more I think that Toyota is being unfairly shafted in this whole recall thing.

People are trying to turn "unexpected temporary bursts of acceleration" into "Dang! My car is forcing me to drive at hundreds of miles per hour for days at a time, crashing into dozens of farmers markets and (coincidentally) all of the people who picked on me in high school along the way!!!!!"
 
2010-02-25 01:27:41 PM  
I hope he sues until neither Toyota or the state has a dime left. Go for the jackass DA, too, and judge if that's possible just for the outrageousness of it all.
 
2010-02-25 01:27:53 PM  
nwarlick: Asian drivers are defective

I lol'd
 
2010-02-25 01:28:37 PM  
mofroe: NikolaiFarkoff: Father Jack Hacket: 1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic

I'm just a shadetree guy, but I'm not aware of drive-by-wire systems in regular passenger cars that long ago.

Sure, the cable might have stuck, but there are plenty of isolated incidents like that (and not necessarily part of the current fiasco).

FTFA:
Lee's Camry wasn't among those subject to Toyota's recent safety recalls, but Toyota did recall some 1996 Camrys for defective cruise controls that could cause sudden acceleration.


Fixed that there boldin' there for you.
 
2010-02-25 01:28:41 PM  
Well, as corporations are considered equivalent to citizens, I see ample reason to throw Toyoda and the rest of Toyota in jail for vehicular homicide. That should make things right again.
 
Ral
2010-02-25 01:30:08 PM  
apachevoyeur: Yeah, so the car gets to 70-80mph with brakes fully applied and you don't attempt to turn off the ignition or steer away from the stopped.

You deserve the jail time for either doing this on purpose or being a complete idiot.


THIS. I don't believe his defense that he was on the brakes the whole time anyway, because full application of the brakes WILL stop a car that is accelerating at full throttle. Cars are designed that way and have been for a long time now. This guy was just an idiot.

That said...8 years for being a moron in a car accident? WTF?
 
2010-02-25 01:30:11 PM  
GAT_00: savage henry: The guy did 70 up an offramp and rammed the car in front of him while carrying his pregnant wife, daughter and family members? This seems more likely to you?

There's no level of insane people aren't capable of. And to recount an earlier point, I'm not convinced a '96 was advanced enough to have the failure.


Gat stop being a reactionary dick. Also rtfa,
FTFA:
"Lee's Camry wasn't among those subject to Toyota's recent safety recalls, but Toyota did recall some 1996 Camrys for defective cruise controls that could cause sudden acceleration."
 
2010-02-25 01:30:32 PM  
Fark No: Subby,who approved this?

"Man who spent the last 8 years in jail.."

He was sentenced in 2004


The article says the trial was in 2007.
 
2010-02-25 01:30:50 PM  
Father Jack Hacket: 1996 Toyota Camry?

I don't know the specifics but that sounds too old to have the computer related problems these newer cars seem to have.

/not a mechanic


You are correct. The 96 Camry was not drive by wire. The ECU did not control acceleration.

In short, the guy stepped on the gas instead of the brake.
 
2010-02-25 01:31:22 PM  
spookidooki: Shift into neutral

Also, while you could probably do the same in an automatic. I'm not sure that you wouldn't be locked out for some reason AND when driving a manual shifting into neutral is almost a reflex so you can do it much faster than trying to screw around with an automatic selector.
 
2010-02-25 01:31:39 PM  
1) The accident happened in 2006, so he hasn't served 8 years, subby.

2)FTFA: "Lee's Camry wasn't among those subject to Toyota's recent safety recalls, but Toyota did recall some 1996 Camrys for defective cruise controls that could cause sudden acceleration."

Although, he testified that his brakes didn't work, not that the car suddenly accelerated, which could be eine problem at his upcoming hearing.
 
2010-02-25 01:32:01 PM  
nwarlick: Asian drivers are defective

unyon: He's still guilty of committing a DWA. (Driving While Asian).

Toyota Defense
Honda Defense
Nissan Defense
Suzuki Defense...
 
2010-02-25 01:32:01 PM  
Perducci: The more of these people who come out of the woodwork, the more I think that Toyota is being unfairly shafted in this whole recall thing.

People are trying to turn "unexpected temporary bursts of acceleration" into "Dang! My car is forcing me to drive at hundreds of miles per hour for days at a time, crashing into dozens of farmers markets and (coincidentally) all of the people who picked on me in high school along the way!!!!!"


Should read up on the Ford Pinto "crisis". I had to do a research paper on it, it is amazing what media hype can do to negate facts...
 
2010-02-25 01:32:49 PM  
How the hell did the guy manage to have 4 children aged 8, 5, 3 and 2 if he has been in prison for 8 years?
 
2010-02-25 01:32:50 PM  
Lee said he never had driven before immigrating to the United States and settling in St. Paul's large Hmong community in 2004. He was working to get his high school equivalency degree before the crash, and he's still working on it in prison. He wept as he described the impact of his imprisonment on his wife and four children, ages 8, 5, 3 and 2, who are on welfare.

-------------------

So wait, let me get this right, he was studying before the incident, and the 3 years he has already spent in jail, and STILL does not have a GED?

And the family is on welfare.



We simply MUST encourage more immigration if it brings such wonderful, useful people to the country.
 
2010-02-25 01:33:01 PM  
Mayostard: Stallworth only got 30 days in jail for driving drunk and killing someone. There's definitely a problem with the legal system.

The problem is that idiots like you pass judgement without knowing the details of case.
 
2010-02-25 01:33:39 PM  
i wonder why nobody seems to think of turning off the car when it accelerates "out of control"...sure you lose power steering but you'll slow the fark down
 
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