downstairs: I understand the concept of "don't talk to cops"... but I think there's a slightly more varied reality out there.By not talking to cops, you're ASKING them to do everything they can in their power to arrest you. Where often times being polite and somewhat open (not admiting a crime) will cause them to just let you go on their way to deal with more important things.I have a hard time beliving a cop who pulled you over for something minor, after you give the immediate "am I under arrest or free to go?" deal... isn't going to try their hardest to find a reason to arrest you.I've been caught speeding many times, even gave the old "I don't know how fast I was going, sorry, I may have been a bit over the speed limit"... and gotten off with no ticket. Many times.
real shaman: Shilldog: So you get pulled over for 70 in a 65, and demand a lawyer? You're an asshole. If not, you're an idiot.No, you don't talk to the cop. He didn't say to demand your lawyer. You hand him your license, registration and insurance card. There is no conversation required.
lexnaturalis: So there's a unanimous SCOTUS decision and it's Scalia that's the dick? Interesting.
006andahalf: Y'all are worried about DUI checkpoints? Heck in my town they have (ostensible) drivers license checkpoints where they can hit you with whatever the heck they want. Luckily I'm fairly pale so they don't give me too much guff. Anyone swarthy and darker get it real good from them. But it's all for your protection.
006andahalf: surprised there haven't been any "get rid of Miranda, it helps the criminals/terrorits/libs" trolls yet.
slayer199: Just to be clear...you never have to talk to the police...ever.If they start questioning you, you only have to ask if you're under arrest...which gives them a right to detain you...but you STILL do not have to talk. Even with an attorney present, you don't need to talk./former cop
El Chode: NewportBarGuy: El Chode: DUI checkpointsI still can't believe those are constitutional.I'm sitting in a class right now discussing just how constitutional they are...which is partially why I'm so worked up as it is. Stevens is the only rational voice on the issue, and he's set to depart.
Ashtrey: That's what I don't understand on COPS. Everyone just talks to the police."May we search you?""Sure""What's this?""Oh that's my crack.""And what were you doing out here tonight?""Hooking."The better way to handle that would be"May we search you?""No""Why not?""Have a nice night officer" *walk off*
GaryPDX: Iyou are immediately a suspect in that crime.
Fark Me To Tears: dahmers love zombie: Interesting. Scalia believes that the SCOTUS shouldn't have "invented" the trimester rule that Roe v. Wade was based on. Yet he thinks they can just pull "14 days" out of their assholes?My God that man is a dick.Don't forget about Scalia's appearance on 60 Minutes not too long ago where he said that brutality/torture was okay to get information from a suspect, but not to punish him./yes, he said that//on 60 Minutes
tnpir: Plus, notably, this was a 9-0 decision.
whidbey: And let me guess: It's all Obama's fault.
GaryPDX: I have heard from several police I know that if you see a crime and report it, you are immediately a suspect in that crime. It's standard operating procedure. Never talk to police without legal council, ever.
downstairs: The checkpoint was CLEARLY not there to inspect brake tags.
Ashtrey: GaryPDX: Iyou are immediately a suspect in that crime."Officer, I was raped!""Well well well, looks like we have a clear case of masturbation!"
downstairs: So you're just biding time before the cop goes and gets a warrant and searches you anyway.
downstairs: Ok, all well and good. So you're just biding time before the cop goes and gets a warrant and searches you anyway.Lets say you DO have drugs on you or in your car.Do you think the cop is just going to let you go on your way because you said "no"?You realize with a warrant, that gives them the right to search you and your card without your consent.Not trying to argue, I'm interested in the subject... but it doesn't sound like this "don't talk to cops" advice is going to get you out of shiat.
Jimmy Devil Rocket Science: As someone who is friends with a few cops, I really hate admitting that all of the people on the "never talk to the police" bandwagon are correct, but only because they're generally nice people and I hate to see their jobs get even more difficult than it already is.
tnpir: This doesn't strike me as a wholly unreasonable ruling. If you go free, then two weeks later agree to talk, they SHOULD be able to use that against you. There is nothing stopping you from refusing to speak without a lawyer present at that time, either. I haven't read the entire opinion yet, however, so I might have to alter that thought at some point.Plus, notably, this was a 9-0 decision.
Blind_Io: If the cop asks, "Are there any weapons in the car I should be aware of?" say, "Not to my knowledge."
006andahalf: Brake tags? Are those to certify that your brakes work?
El Chode: Weaver95: Shilldog: Weaver95: NewportBarGuy: never talk to a cop without a lawyer present. Period. or at least consult a lawyer first.Honest question: How far do you take this? Speeding tickets? Just walking by?anything more serious than a speeding ticket.Huh? I never say anything, even in a ticket. Nothing of substance at least, I just do my best to be amenable, polite, and friendly...and dumb. If they ask me questions, I just smile. I find this to be the best approach at DUI checkpoints also because my blood is usually curdling by that point and I know I'd say something with enough anger that they'd search me just out of spite.
GaryPDX: Ashtrey: GaryPDX: Iyou are immediately a suspect in that crime."Officer, I was raped!""Well well well, looks like we have a clear case of masturbation!"You've mixed that up. You took a victim's angle. I was talking about a witness angle.
Fish!: Repeat after me: "Am I under arrest? Am I free to go?". This is the only thing you should ever say to a cop.
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