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2010-02-24 02:00:58 PM  
alywa: A parking brake button.

That's not a parking brake button. That's how you shift the transmission into park. The parking brake is that purely mechanical pedal located off to the left, just like in many other cars and trucks.
 
2010-02-24 02:01:23 PM  
If you want to drive 110+ mph with no traffic and airplane-passenger-like visibility, come to Nevada. Especially south of Gerlach along the Black Rock Desert. Had a blast this past weekend.

/87 Integra with 262k miles on the original engine
//threw a rod the next day
///now I'm stuck in Boulder City at a rundown hotel surrounded by unemployment-check alcoholics
////cool story, etc
 
2010-02-24 02:01:29 PM  
impaler: If any of this is remotely true, that TWO components of the car could simultaneously fail, the car manufacturer known as Toyota should cease to exist.

It doesn't have to involve two failures. If both are software driven, whatever process handles them might be stuck in a loop and failing to do status checks.
 
2010-02-24 02:02:56 PM  
Thunderpipes: davidw001: Thunderpipes: Japanese cars are great! I will never buy an American car again, the quality is terrible. I hate America! Buy Japanese!

Farking dumbasses get what they deserve. Traitors. Die in a fiery crash.

Dude, don't sit too close too your tv, it may not be made in the states.

I buy American when I can. Thing that makes me laugh is the people who just won't shut their wussy little mouths about how awesome Japanese cars and how bad American cars are, when the data does not support this at all. Now one of the biggest recalls ever, and people will still make excuses for those Zero flying asshats bombing our battleships. Screw them.

Just feels good knowing that millions of liberal weirdos are sad inside because their overlords have failed.


I don't care about all the political crap, and I'm personally over Pearl Harbor, but I do think it's sad when people push "American" products that are made in other countries. I worked for a Japanese company for several years that produced parts for american cars. Now I work for an American company (owned by Italians) that produces parts for different companies all over the world.
i843.photobucket.com
Just not that simple anymore.
 
2010-02-24 02:03:58 PM  
SpectroBoy: One retard claiming she had both feet on the brakes and still couldn't stop the car does NOT make it true. Unless the Toyota has brake by wire, the brake pedal should win.

Haven't been following this very closely, have you?
 
2010-02-24 02:04:04 PM  
stebain: impaler: If any of this is remotely true, that TWO components of the car could simultaneously fail, the car manufacturer known as Toyota should cease to exist.

It doesn't have to involve two failures. If both are software driven, whatever process handles them might be stuck in a loop and failing to do status checks.


I'm not an auto engineer, but I believe each of those systems have their own ECU's - in which case they wouldn't share computing resources.
 
2010-02-24 02:04:26 PM  
Oh damn, farkin foreign links, lol!
 
2010-02-24 02:05:54 PM  
bhcompy: Deucednuisance: bhcompy: The whole business with starting a car after the fob battery dies is the biggest pain in the ass imaginable.

Why not just use the key that's inside the fob?

Does any manufacturer make a keyless fob without an emergency key integrated into it? Toyota and Lexus sure don't.

Because that would be dumb.

I have a Saturn. The car uses a key, but the fob has to be present. If the fob isn't present or the battery is dead the car will not start despite having a key. There is an override but it takes a long time override after the alarm cycles off.


Looked up the instructions in the manual to start without the fob/dead fob:

1) Open door with key, alarm will sound for 2 minutes
2) After alarm stops, put key in ignition and turn to RUN
3) Turn key back to LOCK and remove key from ignition
4) The car will be able to start without the fob after 15 minutes

Completely ridiculous
 
2010-02-24 02:06:03 PM  
lokidecat: "I called my husband on the blue tooth phone system. "

No one talks like that. She was coached to say that, period. Sorry folks, but that's one of those points that a lawyer is hired to not gloss over. Had she just said she called her husband, an argument can be made for phone use being irresponsible and yadda yadda.

That was intentional and probably unlikely.


What language should she have used? What was it marketed/labeled as in the car? Additionally, saying "blue tooth" makes it relevant and clear that she wasn't taking her hands off the wheel, preventing a possible congressional thread drift.
 
2010-02-24 02:06:06 PM  
alywa: Some of the stories I've read had to do with rental / loaner cars, so I'd have to imagine this confusion has played in somewhat.

Tip #1 of a rental car driving:

if the controls are unfamiliar, pull over and RTFM before you get someone killed.
 
2010-02-24 02:07:01 PM  
TwistedIvory: That's not really how cars work. For one, the parking/emergency brake is not electronic: It is a galvanized cable connected to the rear brakes.

I have a hard time envisioning an entirely electronic transmission selector, too.

But the ignition? Really? I suppose there might be some level of plausibility as it could be a keyless fob-start system. But in that case, why not just toss the fob out of the window? Also, don't all cars like that have a kill switch?

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I have a Lexus ES 300 and I believe that when the car is not in park you can't just turn the key to the left and switch it off. The ignition locks in the "on" position until the car is in park again. I know this because there've been a few times I've parked and was not paying attention, tried to take the key out of the ignition and not been able to because I hadn't put my car in park.
 
2010-02-24 02:07:53 PM  
SpectroBoy: Unless the Toyota has brake by wire, the brake pedal should win.

And if the transmission and brakes are BOTH by wire, then the brake should get priority, unless Toyota has the worst engineers ever.
 
2010-02-24 02:08:06 PM  
cmb53208: Gee, am I the only one who finds it strange these claims of sudden acceleration come after the gummint buys into GM and Chrysler?

this claim is from 2006... when did the buy in happen?
 
2010-02-24 02:08:46 PM  
Toyota's philosophical flaw

The fix isn't a technical one. The automaker needs a new system of 'man and machine interface.'

By Kenichi Ohmae - http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/opinionla/la-oe-ohmae24-2010feb24,0,6745685. story

"But what we are seeing may be a more fundamental problem that has to do with the engine control unit as a whole. In an average Toyota, there are about 24,000 inputs and outputs, with as many as 70 computer chips processing information and sending it on to other chips to operate the engine control units. It is a very complex system.

Such complex systems are a problem these days for all auto manufacturers -- Germans and Americans as well as Japanese -- because about 60% of a modern automobile is electronics. Toyota is the canary in the coal mine, so to speak, because it is the world's largest manufacturer of cars, with more than 50 plants around the globe outside of Japan. Toyota has more models on the road than any other carmaker.

What we see with Toyota in particular is that this new electronic complexity has overwhelmed its concept of kaizen -- continuous improvements -- that has made Toyota such a high-quality brand worldwide. This company has so perfected the practice of kaizen from the assembly line on up that it has lost the big picture of how the whole electronic engine -- and thus overall safety -- works.

If Toyota does not recognize this and tries to chalk up all of its problems to floor mats touching the accelerator or a computer glitch, it will miss the real issue. Where Toyota has failed is that rather than review the overall safety of the engine operating unit, it has focused on diagnosing the function of many thousands of pieces of an electronic engine.

What this company is missing is the human factor -- a single person who has a comprehensive understanding of the details of the engine and how the parts interact and work as a whole.

...What this suggests is that Toyota has to come up with a new organizational ethos beyond kaizen that can oversee the crucial safety features that may have been compromised by so much incremental improvement over the years. This is a philosophical problem of management, not a technical issue. A new system of "man and machine interface" needs to supplement the kaizen philosophy."
 
2010-02-24 02:09:03 PM  
stebain: this claim is from 2006... when did the buy in happen?

duh! it was retroactive

...
 
2010-02-24 02:09:05 PM  
poot_rootbeer: alywa: Some of the stories I've read had to do with rental / loaner cars, so I'd have to imagine this confusion has played in somewhat.

Tip #1 of a rental car driving:

if the controls are unfamiliar, pull over and RTFM before you get someone killed.


Tip #2 of rental car driving:

Have someone else rent the vehicle, so that when you return it with over a thousand additional miles, a chattering back end, slipping transmission, bald rear tires, and several dents in the top of the bed, you can just walk away.

/cool story
//bro
 
2010-02-24 02:10:14 PM  
aimtastic: I believe that something really bad happened to this lady's car. I believe that she believes the story she's telling. But I also believe that the combination of panic at the time, the attention she's gotten since then, and a potential payday in the future have significantly altered the story that she believes is true.

Do you have any farking idea what the consequences are when caught lying to Congress?? I seriously doubt anyone would take that risk in order to get attention, as you put it.
 
2010-02-24 02:11:43 PM  
Toyota and Lexus should fail, IF the consumer dictates they fail. But I have no doubt when they begin to fail the Govt will bail them out.

Let capitalism and consumerism decide which businesses survive.
 
2010-02-24 02:12:06 PM  
Shocktopus: manimal2878: Ingaba: I know it's not the best option to take in the event of runaway acceleration, but before I took the time to fish my cell phone out of my pocket and make a call I would have turned the key in the ignition to the off position and shut the car down.

If your car is ramping up in speed, wouldn't you need both hands on the wheel to steer around things and avoid obstacles? I find it incredibly unlikely she could have made a phone call and paid attention to the road enough to avoid wrecking.

It was a Bluetooth connection through the car. Totally handsfree, and probably even voice driven. Lots of high end cars have them. It's as simple as click button on wheel, say "Call Home".

And if it has a keyless entry like BMW, there is no key to "turn off the ignition". There is just a button. Connected to software.

Not every car is like the 98 Civic you kibbitzers drive. Some of them are almost completely drive-by-wire. IIRC, BMW put in mechanical interlocks to prevent just this kinda thing.


There is more than one point that I made jack asses, stop harping on the bluetooth, I know what the fark it is.
 
2010-02-24 02:12:10 PM  
TigerStar: Toyota's philosophical flaw.

hey, thanks for that
 
2010-02-24 02:12:35 PM  
car-insurance-news.com
 
2010-02-24 02:13:18 PM  
100% Bullshiat
 
2010-02-24 02:14:38 PM  
*sigh*. Do yunz know how da Bluetoofs works?

/RTFA = knowledge!
//Sorry so late to the party, my $.02
 
2010-02-24 02:14:40 PM  
Hmmm is this the same woman?

consumerist.com

www.avolites.org.uk
 
2010-02-24 02:16:57 PM  
featurecreep: I'm not an auto engineer, but I believe each of those systems have their own ECU's - in which case they wouldn't share computing resources.

so there is no interaction between braking ECU and acceleration ECU telling acceleration to give up the ghost?
 
2010-02-24 02:19:07 PM  
EighthundredmillionthFarker: I'm sure we'll never see a response from you.

Sorry, you impatient jerk, that I'm not always on the same thread:
"After the incident, Rhonda and Eddie Smith said they ran into one roadblock after another from Toyota, their dealer and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. She said Toyota said she was at fault and the automaker successfully fought an arbitration offer to have the company buy back the car.

"We were furious that Toyota called us liars a second time," she said.
(link)
 
2010-02-24 02:19:11 PM  
For anyone who thinks that a newer model car, keyed ignition or not, will respond to the gearshift, ignition, etc...(except maybe hand brake, but @ 100mph it may not do anything but make a nice fire)here's a (cool) story.
Last summer my 2 yr old opened the driver door of my '04 model car with the garden hose on full, washing down the inside of the windshield. When I saw what he was doing I promptly freaked and got the hose from him. The running lights were strobing as were the dash lights. Disconnected the battery quickly and to get it to stop. Got the leaf blower, portable heater, and some towels. A few hours later reconnected the battery. Everything looked cool. Cranked it, put it in drive and it wanted to go by itself. Put it in park and the engine was revving and then hitching. Killed the engine, pulled the key and it was still trying to crank intermittently. Disconnected the battery, waiterd a few more hours...car was fine.

/I still think it flashes it lights in the driveway from time to time.

//but anyways...
 
2010-02-24 02:21:02 PM  
slave2grind: For anyone who thinks that a newer model car, keyed ignition or not, will respond to the gearshift, ignition, etc...(except maybe hand brake, but @ 100mph it may not do anything but make a nice fire)here's a (cool) story.
Last summer my 2 yr old opened the driver door of my '04 model car with the garden hose on full, washing down the inside of the windshield. When I saw what he was doing I promptly freaked and got the hose from him. The running lights were strobing as were the dash lights. Disconnected the battery quickly and to get it to stop. Got the leaf blower, portable heater, and some towels. A few hours later reconnected the battery. Everything looked cool. Cranked it, put it in drive and it wanted to go by itself. Put it in park and the engine was revving and then hitching. Killed the engine, pulled the key and it was still trying to crank intermittently. Disconnected the battery, waiterd a few more hours...car was fine.

/I still think it flashes it lights in the driveway from time to time.

//but anyways...


You know why kids are so cute right?
 
2010-02-24 02:21:12 PM  
Dan2ine: Hmmm is this the same woman?

Outstanding!
 
2010-02-24 02:21:48 PM  
Kuroshin: floor9: manimal2878:
I *am* a mechanic, and I'm also calling bullshiat on this one.

Every single control system would have to fail all at once in a very specific way for this to happen. The engine ECU would have to set throttle to full and the tranny ECU would have to lock itself in drive, shift gears, and refuse to accept all inputs (that's three failures in one).

Sorry, but no. Car management systems are not designed that way. Two separate computers would have to fail in very specific ways at the same time. The simplest answer is that the lady is lying about the tranny locking up because she is like the local Fark Brigade who wants everything to be Toyota's fault beyond any shadow of a doubt.

She didn't shift to Neutral, the car didn't try to re-start itself when her hubby allegedly moved the gear selector (WTF kind of bullshiat is that?!), and she didn't respond with all of that precision while playing Hercules on the brake pedal (ummmm, power assist and the ABS make that pointless - brake systems are not direct-control anymore).

She's making shiat up. End of story.


You sound like a tool.
I have a Saturn Freaking ION. Yes, pity me. But also note that there is a SINGLE master computer system that controls every electronic system in the car. I have a 5-spd manual, so that, at least, is up to me, but the system that controls the electronic steering reads the speed of the car as reported by a combination of the engine speed (in RPM), the throttle position, and the current vehicle rolling speed to determine how much "pressure" to apply to my steering action depending on the situation. If I'm in a low gear with high RPMs but a relatively low speed, the steering is tighter than it would be if I were casually driving through a sweeping low-speed curve. That system doesn't work unless there is a "master" brain that can take inputs from multiple sources and apply over-rides to various other systems.

Every system is integrated. There is a software glitch in the 2003-2005 Saturn ION that causes the reverse lights to not work if the change oil message is active on the dash display. It wasn't a "big deal" so I guess it never got addressed, but you can see a few people who discovered this on the saturn fans forums. Saturn never got back to anyone who complained. All the systems are interconnected now.

If I'm driving along and my car flips over, the doors will unlock and the windows will roll down slightly, and the hazard lights will start flashing. If an airbag does off, hazards flash and doors unlock. If an automatic transmission is successfully shifted into reverse while going forwards, the car will usually just shudder and immediately go into 2nd gear and "limp mode".

I did this to my parent's Buick Skyline in the 90s...driving along at 40 mph and my friend thought it would be funny to push it into reverse. The car lurched and then slowed down as if I'd braked hard...then it went 20 mph and ignored the fact that I wasn't pushing on the gas...When I did push on the gas, it wouldn't go any faster...when I pushed on the brake, I could feel the car trying to keep going forward, and the engine speed stayed up out of idle, like it was fighting me...since I was only going 20 mph, I just took the keys out, and the power steering went away, but the brakes worked.

That was a 96 Buick.
 
2010-02-24 02:22:17 PM  
factoryconnection: EighthundredmillionthFarker: I'm sure we'll never see a response from you.

Sorry, you impatient jerk, that I'm not always on the same thread:
"After the incident, Rhonda and Eddie Smith said they ran into one roadblock after another from Toyota, their dealer and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. She said Toyota said she was at fault and the automaker successfully fought an arbitration offer to have the company buy back the car.

"We were furious that Toyota called us liars a second time," she said. (link)


Ok, it's official.

You, sir, are an ass.

Learn to read. Show me a link, please, with proof that the car was faulty.

You can NOT, because there is NONE.

Go back to your other threads, and don't come back.
 
kin
2010-02-24 02:22:41 PM  
WienerButt: I drive an 07 Yaris so I'm patiently waiting for my car to turn into Optimus Prime and just run off the road leaving me behind.

Essentially, I'm getting a kick.

/I'm not worried


'08 Yaris here. I love my car.

Feeling like a dodged a bullet.

For now?

/getting a kick also
 
2010-02-24 02:22:52 PM  
kapaso: Thunderpipes: factoryconnection: redwards29a: Car and Driver concluded that, based on their emergency stopping tests, the Camry's brakes could overcome the accelerator in all cases even without a brake override, and that stopping distances with a wide-open throttle were largely indiscernible from regular braking.

I read that article, too, but I think the Camry had a 4-cyl and regardless is front wheel drive. It takes a lot more braking force to overcome the torque of a 3.5L V-6 than a 2.4L I-4. The E-brake does a lot better against non-driven wheels.

The Roush Mustang that they tested had some scary data... 700 feet to stop the car!

Well, 450 hp at full throttle is a little different than a 4 or 6 banger. We had the facts all out in another thread, Roush brakes are almost as good as a Vette, they are fantastic. Roush produces one of the best handling and performing cars anywhere near the price range. Yes, I am biased.

Biased and wrong.
Link

A lotus for a whole lot less.


I hope you are joking. You serious? Not even the same kind of car, jesus. Why not compare a motorcycle? Stupid Farkers always bring up stupid crap like that. Dumbass.

Oh ya, Lotus is 65-75k, Can get a Roush Mustang with all the handling and performance options for 45k. Moron.
 
2010-02-24 02:23:46 PM  
FTFA: After 6 miles God intervened as the car came very slowly to a stop.

All Lexus needed to do was tell this woman that it was God (or the Devil) who made her car react that way and that it was in no way Lexus's fault.
 
2010-02-24 02:24:16 PM  
ScotterOtter: aimtastic: I believe that something really bad happened to this lady's car. I believe that she believes the story she's telling. But I also believe that the combination of panic at the time, the attention she's gotten since then, and a potential payday in the future have significantly altered the story that she believes is true.

Do you have any farking idea what the consequences are when caught lying to Congress?? I seriously doubt anyone would take that risk in order to get attention, as you put it.


um, where did he say in your quote that she's lying to get attention? the quote indicates his belief that she actually thinks her story is true, but a number of outside factors have clouded her perception of reality. this is far from unheard of, which is why a number of people convicted off of eye-witness testimony have later been proven innocent (through DNA, etc.) Humans have emotions like panic and whatnot; these emotions cloud our judgments and perceptions. it happens. it's probably happened here. Her story could easily have been inadvertently exaggerated without her necessarily being a lying publicity hound.
 
2010-02-24 02:24:20 PM  
featurecreep: OR - what is more likely is that she accidentally popped into the manu-matic gate and was upshifting when she thought she was going into neutral, then shifting into neutral when she thought it was reverse... which would explain why it eventually stopped "while in reverse." I would probably be gripping the selector hard enough not to notice it trying to spring back into the regular drive gate if I was under the impression that the car was possessed and taking off without me.

/My 2-cents.


This got argued in another thread which I don't feel like repeating. However, I believe the premise was that the Lexus Sport Shifter was not "properly identified"

i3.photobucket.com

It could be she brought the transmission into the side gate for sport shifting and had thought she had shifted into neutral. In a panic frenzy, she might have even thought she was shifting into reverse as well. It's also possible that there is a reverse block while in drive to prevent the user from shifting into reverse, or maybe you have to depress a button to shift it into reverse and park from drive. That could lead the user to trying to push it into reverse, nothing happens, so they shift all the way into the gear gate thinking it's neutral and the car begins accelerating again.

Either way, this type of design is more of an industry standard than anything specific to toyota/lexus.

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While it may appear confusing, it's actually designed to be simpler. Usually the driver keeps in Drive, and all it takes is a simple push forward to slide into nuetral. However, I can see in a panicked frenzy a driver grabbing the shifter and pushing and pulling all over the place wouldn't be able to find the nuetral slot, or atleast keep it in long enough to see results.

I'll admit being one of the wrong ones in the other threads. However, this is the only time someone as made this allegation. At the very least, it might reveal that it's not a stuck pedal as it seems her husband and the tow truck driver were able to inspect it.

I can point specifically to one runaway driver who was on the phone with 911 and refused to keep her car into nuetral because she thought the engine was revving to loudly, so she shifted back into drive. The result was a state cruiser had to get in front of her car and break her car to a stop manually.

I'm not entirely convinced that the electronic transmission is at fault here. I'm inclined to think it was more of a case of a panicked driver moving the shifter all over the place.
 
2010-02-24 02:25:44 PM  
dood's got some decent engrish. Glad mom didn't buy a new toyota.
 
2010-02-24 02:26:32 PM  
Urinal Gum: FTFA: After 6 miles God intervened as the car came very slowly to a stop.

All Lexus needed to do was tell this woman that it was God (or the Devil) who made her car react that way and that it was in no way Lexus's fault.


thats just awesome. I'm gonna start blaming random shiat on the devil.
 
2010-02-24 02:26:32 PM  
floor9: It seems like in every thread about Toyota / Lexus, there's always a percentage of Internet Tough Guys (tm) who say "hurrr, I'd just put the car in neutral, I don't understand why everyone is so stupid".

So yeah, apparently that won't help.


I just push the clutch pedal in on my toyotas.

When driving my Chevy Avalanche, if I experienced uncontrollable acceleration I would just pick a nice soft Prius to rear-end. I hear those electricity recovering brakes are very strong....

And regarding the Lexus, I dont know the specifics, but if the transmission is electronically controlled with an electronic sensor reading shifter position then I guess shifting would not matter. I would think based on logic that putting it in neutral then giving the transmission a shock like ramming the brake and accelerator in turn should provoke a shift if the problem is at all mechanical.

I can tell you from experience of watching y father do this several times....If you accidentally shift a dodge ram van into reverse at 45 mph on an entrance ramp while trying to get more power out of the engine, it will in fact lock the wheels and stall the engine as you slide to a horrible grinding stop.
 
2010-02-24 02:26:49 PM  
I bought a 2001 Infinity I30 last August, I haven't found any sudden acceleration issues with it on the web. But the idle has gone up (3K RPM) for no reason a few times. Normally it happens when I come to a stop, I know nothing is in the way of the pedal, so maybe it's a sensor, not sure. But it has not been a safety issue, just annoying and goes away quickly, I've had to shut it off, then it was fine.

Now my Toyota on the other hand does have a sticky throttle. But then again it's a 79 Celica GT, 5sp manual. I have a speaker wire tied to the gas pedal, just a tug when the linkage gets stuck.
 
2010-02-24 02:27:08 PM  
chu2dogg:I can point specifically to one runaway driver who was on the phone with 911 and refused to keep her car into nuetral because she thought the engine was revving to loudly, so she shifted back into drive. The result was a state cruiser had to get in front of her car and break her car to a stop manually.

[Citation Needed]

Not because I think you're lying, I'd just like to hear that high-grade stupid caressing my ear meats.
 
2010-02-24 02:27:11 PM  
I had a 1988 Ford Escort manual with a stuck throttle. Brakes did slow the car down but did nothing for the RPM. I put it in neutral but regretted it since there was no transmission to slow down the RPM. I turned off the engine to keep from blowing it up (or so I thought) and then repeatedly started and stopped the engine to get home. Lubed the throttle cable at home and it was good. Oh yeah, I was also a punk kid new driver that didn't freak out about a malfunction. Manuals are faaabulous!

/old people suck! (says I in my advancing decrepitude)
//I know, I know; cool story bro.
 
2010-02-24 02:27:13 PM  
ihatedumbpeople: Incident happened in 2006? I wonder when...our AllData system doesn't show the ES350 model was available until the '07 model year.

New models are generally released Late July/August for the following model year. Some vehicles, like the 2010 rush, '10 models were being sold/released in end of 08. Its all about marketing.
 
2010-02-24 02:28:09 PM  
"Thank God for _____."

This can be an expression uttered by a non-religious person. It's a turn-of-phrase. Example: "Thank God that fat woman at Wal-Mart didn't come out of the dressing room to early!"

Being that she says she was under the effect of panic, it is quite likely she said this regardless of whether or not she actually attributes the stopping of the car to God. Like when Sarah Silverman (read this recently so I remembered it first) says shes not religious except when she's on the floor of the bathroom being really sick.
 
2010-02-24 02:28:17 PM  
darcsun: Story of hers is complete bunk. Throwing a car into reverse at that speed will gernade the transmission, at best. At worst, a RWD car could flip if the driveshaft came loose and pole vaulted the car. Here is a video of a guy racing his mustang and accidentally putting the car in reverse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNLz9E92-FU


Annnnd the Lexus ES 350 is neither RWD, nor does it have a driveshaft, dumbass.
 
2010-02-24 02:28:51 PM  
Ingaba: I know it's not the best option to take in the event of runaway acceleration, but before I took the time to fish my cell phone out of my pocket and make a call I would have turned the key in the ignition to the off position and shut the car down.

Which would then lock the steering column.

So, full throttle, the engine is pulling no vacuum so your brakes are weakend significantly, and now you can't steer the now ballistic missile you are buckled into.

Brilliant! You totally thought out that reply!

I'm sure you felt real smug and clever as you clicked 'add comment' though.
 
2010-02-24 02:28:56 PM  
kin: Feeling like a dodged a bullet.

yaris is a throttle cable i bet. it it gets stuck, put your foot under the pedal and lift up. you'll be okay.
 
2010-02-24 02:29:00 PM  
bhcompy: Completely ridiculous

Agreed. Dumb, even.

In the Toyota it's: Pull out key, unlock door, insert key, press start, drive away.

Seems like the right way to do things.
 
2010-02-24 02:29:16 PM  
Sounds like an "ON-STAR" short circuit to me.

At least the restarting part.

Why didn't she just open the door and stick her foot out.. C'mon, it might not be comfortable, but it worked for the cavemen long before ABS was invented.

So easy a caveman could do it..
 
2010-02-24 02:30:33 PM  
nyuhsuk: Barakku: nyuhsuk:
Bullshiat! 6 miles at 100 mph? Thats 600 miles! That's TORTURE!

What kind of retard math are you doing?

6 Miles times 100 mph is obviously 600 miles miles per hour. You *combine* the labels, stupid.

If you combine the labels, it's miles squared as you said retard.


God, would you spit the hook... they're pulling you into the boat!!!
 
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