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(The Consumerist)   If you think turning off the ignition, standing on the brakes, or putting the car in neutral will stop your out-of-control Toyota or Lexus, boy are you in for an amusing twist   (consumerist.com) divider line 724
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2010-02-24 01:45:26 PM  
Regnad Kcin: "The engine was revving up like crazy! It sounded like TiiIITHE!! TiiIITHHE!!"

I'm glad I stuck around for this one.
 
2010-02-24 01:45:27 PM  
Thunderpipes: Japanese cars are great! I will never buy an American car again, the quality is terrible. I hate America! Buy Japanese!

Farking dumbasses get what they deserve. Traitors. Die in a fiery crash.


Dude, don't sit too close too your tv, it may not be made in the states.
 
2010-02-24 01:45:28 PM  
bhcompy: nyuhsuk: StreetlightInTheGhetto: nyuhsuk: It all depends on your dealer's initial orientation of the car. They should probably tell you (mine did and they probably all do now) but since it is a departure from the standard key system, I think you should take the personal responsibility to read on it before you drive (i.e. how to access and start a car if the FOB battery dies - which has happened to me while out and about). And who wants to leave a ugly looking sticker on your dash?

I'm not used to this "not having a key to use when the FOB battery dies" crap.

But what I'm saying is that having a sticker for cars with frequently changing drivers (work fleets, rentals, etc.) would not really be such a bad thing.

Very true. It really is a totally new set of instructions. What I meant by the FOB battery dying thing is how to start the car with the valet key when the wireless FOB can't be detected.

The whole business with starting a car after the fob battery dies is the biggest pain in the ass imaginable.


But damn it's convenient when that battery is good to go. I would never take my keys out of my pocket if it weren't for the fact I need to use a key to get in and out of my house...

I always end up giving an erotic fingering to the dashboard of a old school style key-ed car nowadays fumbling for the Start button...
 
2010-02-24 01:45:47 PM  
PRIUS'S DON'T HAVE "NEUTRAL." The "Drive", "Reverse", and the "Charge Battery While Coasting" options are it. There is a separate button for "Park."

/drives a Prius
//just to test it, I tried to "Power Down" the car while under acceleration. Button did nothing.
///actually hoping the thing takes off on me, I'll crash it and sue the shiat of some Toyota
//have not gotten a single recall on it, aside from the floor mats, which I knew as soon as I got the car were farked and got different ones
/I SAID I WILL SUE ME THE shiat OUT OF SOME TOYOTA
 
2010-02-24 01:45:47 PM  
imcdb.org

Flubber, problem solved.
 
2010-02-24 01:46:17 PM  
factoryconnection: capnmonkey: I kinda figured that suggesting a 60 year old woman should hurl herself out a car window at 100mph would be quickly understood as sarcasm...though I guess it might be the evolution of the "put it in neutral and hit the brakes" defenders.

You overestimate your peers. TUCK AND ROLL!

GoodOmens: Um why don't you jump out of a car doing 100+ MPH and work out the results.

He said TUCK and ROLL... get to it!


www.thatsfamous.com
forgot to tuck and roll.

/ticket please
 
2010-02-24 01:46:38 PM  
Ok a few things that crossed my mind:
I kind of believe that most women can't drive. This is kind of horrible for me to say, since I am female and hate that stereotype. A majority of bad drivers I see or women yakking away on the phone in their SUV/Mini Vans. (No idea how badly I wish I could reach in and throw their phone into the on coming traffic lane.) I do believe that some people think that nothing will happen to them in their luxury cars. I am willing to bet that she didn't acknowledge that her car was an over glorified Toyota until this all came about. From what I've read everything is mainly electrical/computer controlled, but, I do have a hard time believing that the E-brake wouldn't work at all and that everything else would fail horribly by not responding. Sorry about the some what of a rant.

I drive a 1997 Toyota Corolla just about to hit the 170,000 mile mark. Would have absolutely no problem walking into Toyota to buy a car right now.
 
2010-02-24 01:46:42 PM  
I wonder what the mechanic that she took her car to after the incident diagnosed to be the problem.

She did take the car to a mechanic, right?? Because the mechanic would be up there testifying about her death machine.

Unless, of course, she was lying. Of course.
 
2010-02-24 01:46:53 PM  
Smidge204: Google tells me this is the interior of a 2007 Lexus ES3500. Here's a closeup of the gearshift:

So if putting it into Neutral didn't work, it's probably because there is a horrifically retarded computer sitting between the gearshift and the actuators in the transmission.

If they had certifications on drive-by-wire systems even a TENTH of the robustness of fly-by-wire systems on commercial airlines, I'd be happy.
=Smidge=


OR - what is more likely is that she accidentally popped into the manu-matic gate and was upshifting when she thought she was going into neutral, then shifting into neutral when she thought it was reverse... which would explain why it eventually stopped "while in reverse." I would probably be gripping the selector hard enough not to notice it trying to spring back into the regular drive gate if I was under the impression that the car was possessed and taking off without me.

/My 2-cents.
 
2010-02-24 01:46:55 PM  
Shocktopus: "Dead-Man Switch"?

That would be quite the marketing challenge.


"Operator presence control"
 
2010-02-24 01:47:47 PM  
ihatedumbpeople: Incident happened in 2006? I wonder when...our AllData system doesn't show the ES350 model was available until the '07 model year.

Model year and calendar year are different. If it was a 2007 model it could easily have occurred in the 2006 calendar year.
 
2010-02-24 01:48:05 PM  
Deucednuisance: H31N0US: I was on the fence between a Ford Ranger and a Toyota Tacoma but now I think I will buy a Tacoma.

The Tacoma is the far superior truck.

(Yes, I own one: 2003. Only things I've ever replaced on it are tires and fluids. Well, them and the catalytic converter some tweaker sawed off for the $40 worth of platinum in it. Great truck, and with the 4x4 package it was exceedingly capable in our recent 64" of snow. Can't recommend it highly enough. Just be sure to park it where you can see it.)


friend of mine bought a new 4x4 Tundra last year... and has had one of the two converters sawed off 3 times now... for a total cost to his insurance of $7K! (lives on the north side of Indy)
 
2010-02-24 01:48:15 PM  
floor9: doglover: I always knew automatics were retarded, and this proves it. If it happened to me I'd try and hit the center wall maybe.

What amuses me is the people who insist -- INSIST -- that the transmission selector is a direct, mechanical link to the transmission itself. I am no mechanic, but I am willing to bet that in most cars today -- especially relatively high-end cars like Lexus -- this is no longer the case. Everything is electronic; the selector is just an input device.


Did they try to reboot?
 
2010-02-24 01:48:23 PM  
Eddie Adams from Torrance:
God was a real dick for letting her ride 6 miles at 100 MPH before stopping her car.

6mi at 100mph is really only about 4 minutes
 
2010-02-24 01:48:24 PM  
davidw001: Thunderpipes: Japanese cars are great! I will never buy an American car again, the quality is terrible. I hate America! Buy Japanese!

Farking dumbasses get what they deserve. Traitors. Die in a fiery crash.

Dude, don't sit too close too your tv, it may not be made in the states.


I buy American when I can. Thing that makes me laugh is the people who just won't shut their wussy little mouths about how awesome Japanese cars and how bad American cars are, when the data does not support this at all. Now one of the biggest recalls ever, and people will still make excuses for those Zero flying asshats bombing our battleships. Screw them.

Just feels good knowing that millions of liberal weirdos are sad inside because their overlords have failed.
 
2010-02-24 01:48:27 PM  
StreetlightInTheGhetto: Really. I'm sure the truck that started crossing into my lane last week without his blinker on (and no shoulder to speak of on my side) had an automatic, right? Considering I could see his face in the mirrors, I'm pretty damn sure I wasn't in a blind spot either.

/blanket statements are effing retarded
//so are you if you can't eat and drive manual at the same time
///have friends who can multitask while driving stick as good as any suburban mom in an SUV. Which means their driving often suffers for it.


You must drive an automatic and clearly he was just trying to kill you to make the world a better place.

/Why were you in the truck's way anyways you jerk?
 
2010-02-24 01:48:29 PM  
redwards29a: Car and Driver concluded that, based on their emergency stopping tests, the Camry's brakes could overcome the accelerator in all cases even without a brake override, and that stopping distances with a wide-open throttle were largely indiscernible from regular braking.

I read that article, too, but I think the Camry had a 4-cyl and regardless is front wheel drive. It takes a lot more braking force to overcome the torque of a 3.5L V-6 than a 2.4L I-4. The E-brake does a lot better against non-driven wheels.

The Roush Mustang that they tested had some scary data... 700 feet to stop the car!
 
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2010-02-24 01:48:58 PM  
Where I live, Lexus drivers are the douchiest of them all. What is it about those ugly, glorified Toyotas that make people think they are the shiat?
 
2010-02-24 01:49:04 PM  
bhcompy: The whole business with starting a car after the fob battery dies is the biggest pain in the ass imaginable.

Why not just use the key that's inside the fob?

Does any manufacturer make a keyless fob without an emergency key integrated into it? Toyota and Lexus sure don't.

Because that would be dumb.
 
2010-02-24 01:49:36 PM  
Regnad Kcin: "The engine was revving up like crazy! It sounded like TiiIITHE!! TiiIITHHE!!"

No matter how thin you slice it, it's still baloney.

/saaaayyyy yourr prayerrrrss
 
2010-02-24 01:49:43 PM  
floor9: It seems like in every thread about Toyota / Lexus, there's always a percentage of Internet Tough Guys (tm) who say "hurrr, I'd just put the car in neutral, I don't understand why everyone is so stupid".

So yeah, apparently that won't help.


It doesn't sound like the current recall will fix the problem.
 
2010-02-24 01:49:55 PM  
Premature Defenestration: manimal2878: Jimmy Devil Rocket Science: bongmiester: driving 100mph in an out of control vehicle she searches for her cell phone and calls her husband. i'm surprised none of the congressmen jumped on this.

manimal2878: Not so much that it could be possible, but that she had time to call her husband, and the car wanted to start itself again and only by the grace of god did it stop six miles after her prayers.

You know how I know you two didn't read the article?

You know how I know your reading comprehension sucks?

Fearing death, she called husband. "I knew he could not help me, but I wanted to hear his voice one more time," she recalled. "After six miles later, God intervened," and the car began to slow on it own, though the engine continued to rev itself in cycles. When the vehicle had finally slowed to around 35 mph, she was able to stop the engine.

You know how I know your reading comprehension sucks?

FTFA: I called my husband on the blue tooth phone system.


Wow you are farking stupid.
 
2010-02-24 01:50:00 PM  
manimal2878: Ingaba: I know it's not the best option to take in the event of runaway acceleration, but before I took the time to fish my cell phone out of my pocket and make a call I would have turned the key in the ignition to the off position and shut the car down.

If your car is ramping up in speed, wouldn't you need both hands on the wheel to steer around things and avoid obstacles? I find it incredibly unlikely she could have made a phone call and paid attention to the road enough to avoid wrecking.


It was a Bluetooth connection through the car. Totally handsfree, and probably even voice driven. Lots of high end cars have them. It's as simple as click button on wheel, say "Call Home".

And if it has a keyless entry like BMW, there is no key to "turn off the ignition". There is just a button. Connected to software.

Not every car is like the 98 Civic you kibbitzers drive. Some of them are almost completely drive-by-wire. IIRC, BMW put in mechanical interlocks to prevent just this kinda thing.
 
2010-02-24 01:50:02 PM  
featurecreep: what is more likely is that she accidentally popped into the manu-matic gate and was upshifting when she thought she was going into neutral, then shifting into neutral when she thought it was reverse...

This. It's just a variant on getting drive rather than reverse and pressing the accelerator harder when you don't go backwards, an accident so common that car parks have to be designed to mitigate the effects.
 
2010-02-24 01:50:07 PM  
capnmonkey: This is a semi serious question that I've been wondering about:
In the hypothetical situation in which you are driving 100mph with no way to stop, would you be better off hitting something head on, or cutting the wheel to one side several spins and rolling the car?

I think I'd rather roll a car at 100mph then hit something head on, but I got a C in physics.


I'd roll, but before that I'd try to drive off onto the grass. If the freeway has a concrete divider, I might try and rub the car along that so the friction could slow it down.

Also, if you rear-end the 70mph car in front of you, that's only a 30mph collision instead on a 100mph.

There are always options. Never give up! Never surrender!
 
2010-02-24 01:50:39 PM  
bongmiester: Fearing death, she called husband.

driving 100mph in an out of control vehicle she searches for her cell phone and calls her husband. i'm surprised none of the congressmen jumped on this.


Yea, she was definitely going over the speed limit.
 
2010-02-24 01:51:24 PM  
nyuhsuk: bhcompy: nyuhsuk: StreetlightInTheGhetto: nyuhsuk: It all depends on your dealer's initial orientation of the car. They should probably tell you (mine did and they probably all do now) but since it is a departure from the standard key system, I think you should take the personal responsibility to read on it before you drive (i.e. how to access and start a car if the FOB battery dies - which has happened to me while out and about). And who wants to leave a ugly looking sticker on your dash?

I'm not used to this "not having a key to use when the FOB battery dies" crap.

But what I'm saying is that having a sticker for cars with frequently changing drivers (work fleets, rentals, etc.) would not really be such a bad thing.

Very true. It really is a totally new set of instructions. What I meant by the FOB battery dying thing is how to start the car with the valet key when the wireless FOB can't be detected.

The whole business with starting a car after the fob battery dies is the biggest pain in the ass imaginable.

But damn it's convenient when that battery is good to go. I would never take my keys out of my pocket if it weren't for the fact I need to use a key to get in and out of my house...

I always end up giving an erotic fingering to the dashboard of a old school style key-ed car nowadays fumbling for the Start button...


Well, my car isn't quite like that. I still use a key to start the car and push a button to unlock, but if the fob isn't present the car will not start and it takes like 5 minutes for the system to reset to start the car
 
2010-02-24 01:51:27 PM  
EighthundredmillionthFarker: She did take the car to a mechanic, right?? Because the mechanic would be up there testifying about her death machine.

The answer to your question is not "a" but "many." Thanks for playing "I don't research sh*t."
 
2010-02-24 01:52:12 PM  
factoryconnection: redwards29a: Car and Driver concluded that, based on their emergency stopping tests, the Camry's brakes could overcome the accelerator in all cases even without a brake override, and that stopping distances with a wide-open throttle were largely indiscernible from regular braking.

I read that article, too, but I think the Camry had a 4-cyl and regardless is front wheel drive. It takes a lot more braking force to overcome the torque of a 3.5L V-6 than a 2.4L I-4. The E-brake does a lot better against non-driven wheels.

The Roush Mustang that they tested had some scary data... 700 feet to stop the car!


Well, 450 hp at full throttle is a little different than a 4 or 6 banger. We had the facts all out in another thread, Roush brakes are almost as good as a Vette, they are fantastic. Roush produces one of the best handling and performing cars anywhere near the price range. Yes, I am biased.
 
2010-02-24 01:52:12 PM  
factoryconnection: EighthundredmillionthFarker: She did take the car to a mechanic, right?? Because the mechanic would be up there testifying about her death machine.

The answer to your question is not "a" but "many." Thanks for playing "I don't research sh*t."


Links, please.
 
2010-02-24 01:52:54 PM  
TwistedIvory: That's not really how cars work. For one, the parking/emergency brake is not electronic: It is a galvanized cable connected to the rear brakes.

I have a hard time envisioning an entirely electronic transmission selector, too.

But the ignition? Really? I suppose there might be some level of plausibility as it could be a keyless fob-start system. But in that case, why not just toss the fob out of the window? Also, don't all cars like that have a kill switch?

There's very little about this story that rings to me with the aura of truth. Especially when she talks about whipping out her cell phone while scorching pavement at 100mph in a runaway car and chatting with her husband. Because, really, if that were the case? She probably did deserve to wreck the car into an immovable object off the road, as she's obviously demonstrating reckless disregard for other people anyway.


My car runs just fine without the key fob, once started. It just biatches about it with a noise and yellow icon. And the phone call was handsfree Bluetooth and likely voice activated.
 
2010-02-24 01:53:12 PM  
erewhon: I dunno, at first I thought this was crap but maybe it could be true. And if so, I want to know how to cause this intentionally. Mwa ha ha ha.

So what you are trying to establish here is that you do not have the knowledge of how to intentionally cause this failure? I suppose further more you did not know this woman nor have an argument with her last week.
 
2010-02-24 01:53:57 PM  
This happened to me in a Highlander, and I can assure you all it is very real.

Engine revved and the RPMs were red lining at 3:00. Only lasted a few seconds, luckily. Heavy brakes kept it under control.

Also, with the same car I had it in reverse and hitting the gas would make it go forward. Had to get 4 people to push the car off the wall I was lurched into while in neutral (was on a decline). Traded the car in shortly thereafter.

It's easy to deny that is isn't the cars fault until it's you in the drivers seat.
 
2010-02-24 01:55:00 PM  
Sofa King Smart: friend of mine bought a new 4x4 Tundra last year... and has had one of the two converters sawed off 3 times now...

He might want to consider getting couple of these

www.catclamp.com

I know I am.
 
2010-02-24 01:55:28 PM  
Deucednuisance: bhcompy: The whole business with starting a car after the fob battery dies is the biggest pain in the ass imaginable.

Why not just use the key that's inside the fob?

Does any manufacturer make a keyless fob without an emergency key integrated into it? Toyota and Lexus sure don't.

Because that would be dumb.


I have a Saturn. The car uses a key, but the fob has to be present. If the fob isn't present or the battery is dead the car will not start despite having a key. There is an override but it takes a long time override after the alarm cycles off.
 
2010-02-24 01:55:55 PM  
Is the lexus shifter connected to a cable or is it set up with a sensor on the shifter and a motor on the transmission?

I'm guessing it was electronic since she couldnt shift. In some things electronic devices are great. For critical applications like throttle control or the stick that controls the transmission I think that a good old manual mechanical link should be there. An electronic throttle is not going to save any gas or money over one with a linkage. All it does is add to the cost of the car and stops the person behind the wheel from being able to stop should the electronics have a hiccup.

Its also nice to be able to feel any wierd vibrations in the gas pedal when its connected by a nice solid cable. Its wonderful to be able to shift into neutral if the throttle sticks.

I have had my throttle stick. I shut off the motor and shifted to neutral. I got out of the car pulled out the wd-40, opened the hood and sprayed the throttle cable. Went to the parts store and got a new cable for 20$ just to be on the safe side since the car was over 20 years old.
 
2010-02-24 01:56:10 PM  
Slaves2Darkness: bhcompy:

Humans are hardwired to remember in exacting detail events that happen when their adrenalin kicks into overdrive. It is a survival mechanism and the reason that Post Traumatic Stress Disorder is such a biatch.

You might not remember clearly every day events, but the minutes and seconds that you think you are going to die will be etched into you memory forever.


I've worked with combat vets who could relate every detail they had experienced of certain engagements they'd fought in. And they cannot for the life of them ever forget those details no matter how much dope they smoke or alcohol they drink. And there are no languages anywhere that can describe the emotions involved.

Grandpa shot down a P-47 Thunderbolt at Saipan in 1944. He would still start crying when he talked about it 40 years later. That he didn't see what kind of aircraft it was until it flipped over and he saw the markings. And he could describe in minute detail of how he raked the side of the plane with 20mm cannon fire as it flew over the ship he was on during the battle.

Memory is a weird thing.
 
2010-02-24 01:56:25 PM  
I will post it again.
CELLPHONES CAUSED THIS!
 
2010-02-24 01:56:38 PM  
Bobucles: The brake pedal will beat a fully revving engine at 100mph any day.

Yes. The brakes will get the car to around 70MPH, at which point they cook off and the car begins to accelerate again.


I'll just leave this here for you...

www.caranddriver.com
 
2010-02-24 01:56:45 PM  
StreetlightInTheGhetto: IQ7ZuuIU: No mechanical control of the ignition switch.
No mechanical control of the accelerator.
No mechanical control of the transmission.

I don't care what brand of automobile this is. It looks like a recipe for trouble.

Crap like this at least reminds me that I need to finish learning how to drive manual already. I can drive through a parking lot okay but I need a hell of a lot more practice before I feel comfortable driving on the roads/hills.

In retrospect, it would've been nice if they even offered that as an option during drivers ed. I would've paid a bit extra for that, too.


You haven't lived until you've driven around SF with a manual transmission.
 
2010-02-24 01:56:58 PM  
FTFA: After 6 miles God intervened as the car came very slowly to a stop.

Why did god send her on that hell ride in the first place?
 
2010-02-24 01:57:14 PM  
factoryconnection: EighthundredmillionthFarker: She did take the car to a mechanic, right?? Because the mechanic would be up there testifying about her death machine.

The answer to your question is not "a" but "many." Thanks for playing "I don't research sh*t."


Still waiting for links to the testimonial of the mechanic or mechanics that looked at Rhonda Smith's Lexus, and diagnosed the problem.

I'm sure we'll never see a response from you.

/good luck!
 
2010-02-24 01:57:23 PM  
I drive an 07 Yaris so I'm patiently waiting for my car to turn into Optimus Prime and just run off the road leaving me behind.

Essentially, I'm getting a kick.

/I'm not worried
 
2010-02-24 01:58:26 PM  
myimagine18: A majority of bad drivers I see or women yakking away on the phone in their SUV/Mini Vans. (No idea how badly I wish I could reach in and throw their phone into the on coming traffic lane stick their gas pedal under their floormat.)

ftfy
 
2010-02-24 01:58:56 PM  
D-Liver: This happened to me in a Highlander, and I can assure you all it is very real.

Engine revved and the RPMs were red lining at 3:00. Only lasted a few seconds, luckily. Heavy brakes kept it under control.

Also, with the same car I had it in reverse and hitting the gas would make it go forward. Had to get 4 people to push the car off the wall I was lurched into while in neutral (was on a decline). Traded the car in shortly thereafter.

It's easy to deny that is isn't the cars fault until it's you in the drivers seat.


If the pictures Smidge204 posted down-thread are accurate, there are HUGE human factors issues in that moel/year lexus that could easily have contributed to Mrs. Smith's experience. That alone would make me less likely to buy one.

Then again, my cars all have a manual transmission.
 
2010-02-24 01:59:06 PM  
trappedspirit: I suppose further more you did not know this woman nor have an argument with her last week.

No, but I do know some other people that could use a nice e-ticket freeway ride. Especially if you can do it from outside, with some bluetooth hack like carwhisperer.

"Ok, there he is - pull up along side, hang on, I'm starting the software...got it. Here we go...(presses key)...AH hahahahaha!"

(IRS guy flailing wildly in nearby Lexus as he goes down the beach road at 100mph)
 
2010-02-24 01:59:11 PM  
cefm: Anyone who's ever had a laptop computer go crazy on them knows that electronic or virtual on/off switches are a stupid idea, because it relies on the system to work properly in order to function - when the problem you're trying to address is precisely that the system is NOT functioning properly. That's why I always thought laptops should have had a hard-wired "off" switch or battery-eject. Same for these ridiculous e-cars. Sure a "start" button looks cool, but what happens when the software or the wire goes kooky?

A kill switch seems like a good idea.
 
2010-02-24 01:59:18 PM  
Thunderpipes: factoryconnection: redwards29a: Car and Driver concluded that, based on their emergency stopping tests, the Camry's brakes could overcome the accelerator in all cases even without a brake override, and that stopping distances with a wide-open throttle were largely indiscernible from regular braking.

I read that article, too, but I think the Camry had a 4-cyl and regardless is front wheel drive. It takes a lot more braking force to overcome the torque of a 3.5L V-6 than a 2.4L I-4. The E-brake does a lot better against non-driven wheels.

The Roush Mustang that they tested had some scary data... 700 feet to stop the car!

Well, 450 hp at full throttle is a little different than a 4 or 6 banger. We had the facts all out in another thread, Roush brakes are almost as good as a Vette, they are fantastic. Roush produces one of the best handling and performing cars anywhere near the price range. Yes, I am biased.


Biased and wrong.
Link

A lotus for a whole lot less.
 
2010-02-24 02:00:42 PM  
Where does it say she turned off the ignition?
 
2010-02-24 02:00:51 PM  
fluffy2097: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Really. I'm sure the truck that started crossing into my lane last week without his blinker on (and no shoulder to speak of on my side) had an automatic, right? Considering I could see his face in the mirrors, I'm pretty damn sure I wasn't in a blind spot either.

/blanket statements are effing retarded
//so are you if you can't eat and drive manual at the same time
///have friends who can multitask while driving stick as good as any suburban mom in an SUV. Which means their driving often suffers for it.

You must drive an automatic and clearly he was just trying to kill you to make the world a better place.

/Why were you in the truck's way anyways you jerk?


I was driving in the goddamn left lane getting ready to pass him, but waiting five seconds until a proper shoulder developed. F--king glad I did, too. He pulled two lanes over to the right after I hit the horn, so he might have just started drifting into my lane. Didn't matter. If I had started passing ten seconds earlier I'd be flattened anyhow.\

It was said that manual drivers are TEH BEST EVER and automatic drivers suck. I was just pointing out that by far the crappiest co-driver I've had the pleasure of sharing a road with in the past month or so certainly didn't drive manual. Anecdote but whatever.

And I'm learning to drive stick. But I own a automatic. It was cheap, available, and it's reliable. Whoop-de-do.
 
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