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2010-02-23 05:31:23 PM  

Satanicpuppy: Wow. Way to out douche the douche professor.


Wow. Way to out douche me.
 
2010-02-23 05:32:09 PM  

JustRightRhine: lennavan: JustRightRhine: my syllabus gets longer each & every semester.

Ha, I know exactly what you mean. I try to throw some blanket/general statements in there like "appropriate attire" or "proper lab etiquette" because I refuse to list off "don't drink random chemicals."

Heh. I teach English, so I have banned the use of the wrong homophone at all times. It's unbelievable that you have to point out the following:

YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES:
* Arrive to class on time
* Be prepared for class
-Have materials
-Have reading and assignments completed
-Turn in assignments on time

* Please turn off cell phones/pagers/etc. before entering class. They are disruptive and failing to turn them off is disrespectful. Texting in class is not allowed. If you need to keep in contact with a baby-sitter, or have another reason for needing to keep your phone on, please see me before class.


My syllabus (and I just checked it) for one of my courses is currently twelve pages long. About eight of that, BTW, is boilerplate given to all faculty by the Office of Legal Counsel, because of all the litigious little buttwipes and their helicopter parents. When I played D&D, I became aware of the type of player called a "rules lawyer". You know -- the ones who had memorized the exact magic resistance of EVERY GODDAMN type of demon, so you try JUST ONCE to give them a run for their money with a bunch of Tanar'ri, and this idiot starts chapter and versing about how his farking Magic Missile should have damaged the one in front, unless I can produce the dice roll that shows that the monster made his resistance roll, because Magic Missile has no save otherwise?

Ahem...went off somewhere with that. Anyway, we have tons of "rules lawyer" students, who sort of assume that, if a syllabus doesn't explicitly say something, that means it doesn't hold true. As a result, I have to identify EXACTLY what EVERY FARKING ONE of my policies are. Mrs. Love Zombie, by way of comparison, has one line in her 2 page syllabus that says "Cheating is not allowed. Violators will be punished as per the Student Code of Conduct". Now, could I do that? OF course not. That would assume that they have any chance of having a passing familiarity with the Honor Code. No, I have to pretty much replicate the goddamn Code, AND I have nearly half a page on "what is plagiarism" that I have to include every semester, because apparently they don't TEACH THAT in high school. Judging from the writing ability and reasoning skills of some of them, it appears that "writing", "reasoning", and "don't farking plagiarize" were omitted from the curriculum in favor of the ever more popular "learn how to take the state's standardized test" section of the high school curriculum.

Yep -- see? Now I'm rambling. Why the hell do I post in professor threads?
 
2010-02-23 05:32:19 PM  

Latinwolf: Head_Shot: grizzlyjohnson: Two douches douching on each other. Five o'clock, time to go home.

Difference is: one of them is a kid that doesn't know any better. The professor's response embodies everything that wrong with our higher education system. He ostensibly there to educate people. In what way do vain tardiness policies and insultingly glib responses further anyone's education? Why does the teacher toss out tardy students? Ego. There's no other purpose. If he was really concerned about educating people he'd see that being 15 minutes late provides a better education than no class at all.

Like most kids, the kid doesn't yet understand he's not the only person in the world. He'll probably learn otherwise and eventually grow out of it. The professor, on the other hand has chosen to become and stay a self important douchebag. It's the only thing he has in life and so it must be as important to everyone as it is to him, and he's not going to stop until everyone knows it.

This. I've had power-tripping professors like this before. The funny part is they actually think they are helping by demeaning people this way. I have told off professors loudly in class before, including one I told to fark right off. They get off on the authority and are absolutely stymied when it blows up in their faces. Priceless.

/thank FSM I still had options to drop the classes, though. I'm not THAT stupid.

So hows that job flipping burgers working out.


No idea. I keep telling the pimply-faced manager to fark off, and I'm still cleaning grease traps at 42. Your point?

/CEO of a media company
 
2010-02-23 05:33:04 PM  

lennavan: Side note, I lived in Milwaukee during that period of time, your nick is a mixture of really creepy and pretty funny.


I lived in Milwaukee for a couple of years and discovered that they don't react all that well to dahmer jokes.
 
2010-02-23 05:34:34 PM  

lennavan: JustRightRhine:
Heh. I teach English ... It's unbelievable that you have to point out the following:


Hah, for some reason this reminded me of years ago when I had to tell a college freshman that you can't begin an academic paper with "Mark Twain is a farking idiot." Not only is it a weak opening sentence, Mark Twain is a respected writer and thinker and unless you're about to write the most amazingly convincing and damning paper of Mark Twain ever, there's no chance you could ever support such an opening. Plus swearing in an academic paper, unless you're quoting Catcher in the Rye isn't such a solid plan. I couldn't believe I had to actually say that.


Ha ha! Twain did destroy James Fenimore Cooper quite effectively - maybe the student was going for that kind of effect?? Or maybe he was just trying to be Holden...
Performance art?
/Still trying to come up with an explanation.
//Drinking vodak from a test tube in your honor, random Crystal Light chemicals added.
 
2010-02-23 05:34:46 PM  
Let me get this straight...

A significant number of farkers consider the response email dickish? Is the 'shiat together' comment very offensive all of a sudden? Was telling the student he/she had potential in spades hurtful? Perhaps it was the sub text, that the professor might have information to pass along to the student.

Sub text like: The students paying for classes might also have the opportunity to learn life skills and lessons not directly linked to the syllabus. Decorum is a valuable trait, and this message was certainly broadcast by the professor in a simple, and in this case apt, manner.

How can some farkers reconcile their 'I'm paying for the course' comments with their 'what a precious snowflake' comments?
Good grief... does 'nancy boy' work for both men and women?
 
2010-02-23 05:35:51 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: lennavan: Side note, I lived in Milwaukee during that period of time, your nick is a mixture of really creepy and pretty funny.

I lived in Milwaukee for a couple of years and discovered that they don't react all that well to dahmer jokes.


I would advise them to chill out and not lose their head over it.

sboyle1020: Unless your father donates millions of dollars to the University, and then, you sir, have to sit there and take it :)

/just sayin


Well, of course in that situation. I'm not an idiot;)
 
2010-02-23 05:35:52 PM  

Head_Shot: /CEO of a media company


See Fark thread 5050495
 
2010-02-23 05:37:02 PM  
Prof. Galloway;

Thank you for your feedback and advice. I agree that manners are always a nice thing to have.

As well, I appreciate the valuable life coaching. But getting my shiat together will be made all the more difficult by the fact that most of it stands at the lectern of Brand Strategy Feedback.

Again, thanks for the feedback.

XXXX
 
2010-02-23 05:37:16 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: Do people think this asshole professor is being witty?


Yes. He's not even being an asshole. He was responding to a problem rampant in college classes: kids who were never made to understand that the needs of others matter, and that politeness matters.

You never assume someone will be okay with you showing up an HOUR late to ANYTHING.
 
2010-02-23 05:37:40 PM  

piglet: Was telling the student he/she had potential in spades hurtful?


Well, lying to the kid is just wrong.
 
2010-02-23 05:38:44 PM  
Student definitely needs a little common sense lesson. Prof. could have said just as much in quite a bit less. It really wasn't that big of a deal- you told the kid to get lost and you have every right to do so. Just say that you don't appreciate people interrupting your class and next time do your research beforehand so that you don't distract people who have figured out what class they want to take.

There. Done.
 
2010-02-23 05:39:15 PM  

xuanzhiyouxuan: I lived in Milwaukee for a couple of years and discovered that they don't react all that well to dahmer jokes.


On a related note, my Fantasy Island references don't go over so well in NYC.
 
2010-02-23 05:39:59 PM  

dahmers love zombie: xuanzhiyouxuan: lennavan: Side note, I lived in Milwaukee during that period of time, your nick is a mixture of really creepy and pretty funny.

I lived in Milwaukee for a couple of years and discovered that they don't react all that well to dahmer jokes.

I would advise them to chill out and not lose their head over it.

sboyle1020: Unless your father donates millions of dollars to the University, and then, you sir, have to sit there and take it :)

/just sayin

Well, of course in that situation. I'm not an idiot;)


Ever had a kid like that in any of your classes? I'd imagine it would drive me insane. Not if they were just a normal student, but if they tried to push the envelope and slacked off. Just curious?
 
2010-02-23 05:40:19 PM  

dahmers love zombie: xuanzhiyouxuan: lennavan: Side note, I lived in Milwaukee during that period of time, your nick is a mixture of really creepy and pretty funny.

I lived in Milwaukee for a couple of years and discovered that they don't react all that well to dahmer jokes.

I would advise them to chill out and not lose their head over it.


You're a bad person. I lol'd so I suppose that makes me one too.
 
2010-02-23 05:40:58 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Head_Shot: /CEO of a media company

See Fark thread 5050495


I was going to note that "Chief Envelope Opener" at the local Blockbuster, though a real coup for someone with minimal processing skills, doesn't tend to "cut it" when adults are talking. However, I think that thread does it better.
 
2010-02-23 05:41:00 PM  
This person got to graduate school without knowing this is a possibility? FFS, I didn't realize that common sense now has to be part of a written code given to everyone. God, I hate people.
 
2010-02-23 05:41:45 PM  

doubled99: ThreeEdgedSword 2010-02-23 05:07:38 PM

lennavan: ThreeEdgedSword:

Because legalities are in order to cover the institutions ass in case of asshole students and asshole professors skirt generally assumed decorum for their own ends. If it's not written and published in a code of conduct it's pretty much fair game for either party to engage in shenanigans. Not saying I approve, I'm just saying that's the way it is.

I'm certain that peeing on the desk falls under harassment and presents a violation of the public health code. So, no need to go nuts in that vein.

FYI: all parties involved in 'higher education' are self important asses. From the top down. There are few exceptions to this rule.

Freshman year's a biatch, huh?
Guess what, skippy, when you hit the world, you're going to find whatever career you've chosen, there are people who will be your boss. And sometimes, they will do things that are not fair, or even, god forbid, not entirely legal or ethical.
And what can you do?
Deal with it.
College is preparing you for life.


---

I LOL'd.

College isn't about preparing you for life. At least, not anymore... I'm still not sure if it was ever intended to. High School sure as hell isn't, so why should College be any different. 'Higher education' [Yes, I graduated] didn't prepare me for life in the so called real world. An actual job did that. I learned more while working through college about the "real world" than all of my classes combined. Perhaps I did it incorrectly, if I am understand your assumption correctly.
 
2010-02-23 05:42:08 PM  

Latinwolf: But you're forgetting that he's an entitled snowflake so the rules that apply to everyone else aren't supposed to apply to him. he has this delusion that since he's paying for this "education", he's entitled to set all the rules regarding his conduct.

(emphasis mine)


I love how some people are acting like he burst in juggling clowns on unicycles and disrupting the whole room. It's possible to enter late (and leave early) without causing a big commotion or distracting everybody... until the prof stops the lecture and draws everybody's attention to it, that is.

Personally, I'm willing to admit that I wasn't there and don't know for sure what happened. Anyone else?
 
2010-02-23 05:42:13 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Constance Velocity: Karma Curmudgeon:

The things in bold are all unprofessional and likely to get you fired from a job that's not insulated from the real world, like academia. Except for the last item, those are traits for which the professor demonstrates he has no capability by this email.


If that's true, that's too bad. There are far too many arrogantly-entitled people who can't hear anything unless it's applied with a sledgehammer. And they need to be told.
 
2010-02-23 05:43:29 PM  

Latinwolf: jst3p: mofomisfit: LaraAmber: apeiron242:
While there is no policy about breaking into song and dance, it is unreasonable for him to expect that a student should be able to read his mind for this or that idiosyncratic rule. Esp, on the first night of the class.

Refusing students who wear hats in class = idiosyncratic rule
Requiring all students refer to each other as Mr. & Ms. = idiosyncratic rule

Not showing up an hour late to a class = freaking common sense

Am I an old, cranky man? When I went to school this was "freaking common sense" and it wasn't long ago at all.

Really? How is wearing a hat an issue?

Do you wear a hat to a business meeting?


Sometimes, but I work in IT.

I don't wear pajamas to a business meeting but college chicks get away with it in class.
 
2010-02-23 05:44:41 PM  
so umm. I dont get it, where is this "win" I've been hearing about.
 
2010-02-23 05:45:06 PM  
Wow, 400+ comments and counting, I guess I am joinin in here pretty late.

/please don't throw me out.

Here's seriously what I don't get. Throwing the douchebag out ALSO interrupts class does it not?
In fact, it makes everyone stop thinking about what you were saying and start thinking "fark, I better not be late to this class. EVER. It might happen though cuz my car, my kids.... What if I am....... I don't know anyone in this class, maybe thats an "in" to intro myself to that hot little redhead over there....buttery thighs....


/just saying
//its all about egos.
 
2010-02-23 05:45:29 PM  

damageddude: /Socratic method = long night if your shiat is not together


The Greeks poisoned Socrates for a good reason.
 
2010-02-23 05:45:59 PM  

MacGabhain: Unless you're at a for-profit pseudo-school, this is dead wrong. Students are NOT customers...


I'm totally stealing this.
 
2010-02-23 05:46:00 PM  
I teach college...getting a kick, etc...

I'm usually pretty laid back when it comes to my class. If students miss or just arrive late, I just take it in stride. They are adults, they can act as they wish. They want to waste money, fine by me.

These are the same students who didn't think I was serious when I wrote in my syllabus that excessive absences and tardies will destroy you grade, and showing up more than 10 minutes late counts as ab absence. Just because I don't kick you out doesn't mean that you arent absent.

One of my students complained about my policy and did the "I'm going to meet with the Dean and then you'll be sorry" kind of threat. I forwarded said message to the Dean and that's the last I heard of it.
/cool story bro
 
2010-02-23 05:46:02 PM  

dahmers love zombie: JustRightRhine: lennavan: JustRightRhine: my syllabus gets longer each & every semester.

Ha, I know exactly what you mean. I try to throw some blanket/general statements in there like "appropriate attire" or "proper lab etiquette" because I refuse to list off "don't drink random chemicals."

Heh. I teach English, so I have banned the use of the wrong homophone at all times. It's unbelievable that you have to point out the following:

YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES:
* Arrive to class on time
* Be prepared for class
-Have materials
-Have reading and assignments completed
-Turn in assignments on time

* Please turn off cell phones/pagers/etc. before entering class. They are disruptive and failing to turn them off is disrespectful. Texting in class is not allowed. If you need to keep in contact with a baby-sitter, or have another reason for needing to keep your phone on, please see me before class.

My syllabus (and I just checked it) for one of my courses is currently twelve pages long. About eight of that, BTW, is boilerplate given to all faculty by the Office of Legal Counsel, because of all the litigious little buttwipes and their helicopter parents. When I played D&D, I became aware of the type of player called a "rules lawyer". You know -- the ones who had memorized the exact magic resistance of EVERY GODDAMN type of demon, so you try JUST ONCE to give them a run for their money with a bunch of Tanar'ri, and this idiot starts chapter and versing about how his farking Magic Missile should have damaged the one in front, unless I can produce the dice roll that shows that the monster made his resistance roll, because Magic Missile has no save otherwise?

Ahem...went off somewhere with that. Anyway, we have tons of "rules lawyer" students, who sort of assume that, if a syllabus doesn't explicitly say something, that means it doesn't hold true. As a result, I have to identify EXACTLY what EVERY FARKING ONE of my policies are. Mrs. Love Zombie, by way of comparison, has one line in her 2 page syllabus that says "Cheating is not allowed. Violators will be punished as per the Student Code of Conduct". Now, could I do that? OF course not. That would assume that they have any chance of having a passing familiarity with the Honor Code. No, I have to pretty much replicate the goddamn Code, AND I have nearly half a page on "what is plagiarism" that I have to include every semester, because apparently they don't TEACH THAT in high school. Judging from the writing ability and reasoning skills of some of them, it appears that "writing", "reasoning", and "don't farking plagiarize" were omitted from the curriculum in favor of the ever more popular "learn how to take the state's standardized test" section of the high school curriculum.

Yep -- see? Now I'm rambling. Why the hell do I post in professor threads?


I like Mrs. Love Zombie's approach, but I tend to be a softie sometimes. And wordy, like you! :) But she's right - they are responsible for what's in the student handbook - not my job to explain it to them...
("Magic Missle"? Suddenly feel the need to see what hubby's up to... ;)
 
2010-02-23 05:46:29 PM  
Wow, 400+ comments and counting, I guess I am joinin in here pretty late.

/please don't throw me out.

Here's seriously what I don't get. Throwing the douchebag out ALSO interrupts class does it not?

In fact, it makes everyone stop thinking about what you were saying and start thinking "fark, I better not be late to this class. EVER. It might happen though cuz my car, my kids.... What if I am....... I don't know anyone in this class, maybe thats an "in" to intro myself to that hot little redhead over there....buttery thighs....


/just saying
//its all about egos.
 
2010-02-23 05:47:26 PM  

sboyle1020: dahmers love zombie: xuanzhiyouxuan: lennavan: Side note, I lived in Milwaukee during that period of time, your nick is a mixture of really creepy and pretty funny.

I lived in Milwaukee for a couple of years and discovered that they don't react all that well to dahmer jokes.

I would advise them to chill out and not lose their head over it.

sboyle1020: Unless your father donates millions of dollars to the University, and then, you sir, have to sit there and take it :)

/just sayin

Well, of course in that situation. I'm not an idiot;)

Ever had a kid like that in any of your classes? I'd imagine it would drive me insane. Not if they were just a normal student, but if they tried to push the envelope and slacked off. Just curious?



I had one of them sic his daddy on me once. Kid didn't bother coming to class for the last month, gave me a vague "personal reasons" excuse. I actually sort of let him slide, but he didn't even bother turning in the work that I DID let him finish. So he didn't graduate. Daddy began leaving me voicemails about how we really needed to talk about this. Um...that's a no.

Had a football player try once. That didn't work either. Emailing the class asking for help cheating was a brilliant move on his part, and it might have worked, if not for that meddling "email entire course" button which, in addition to emailing all his fellow students, also emailed ME with his request for quiz/exam answers. On the bright side, he did it early in the term, so not only did HE not have to worry about my course for the rest of the semester, I didn't have to grade his stuff, either. Ah, silver linings.
 
2010-02-23 05:50:20 PM  

lennavan: What kind of bullshiat crap ass University would it be if they taught you you can screw around, show up whenever you please and do whatever they want unless it is explicitly in an outlined rule book that was pleasantly presented to you on day one?


We'll you'd be fully prepared to screw your employees and stockholders (hell, all our economy) over as the head of a large business, while simultaneously enriching yourself and your buddies, and you'd expect to get away with it.

Which is probably what the high-end MBA student expects to do anyway.
 
2010-02-23 05:50:39 PM  

grizzlyjohnson: Like most kids, the kid doesn't yet understand he's not the only person in the world. He'll probably learn otherwise and eventually grow out of it.

Excuse me?

An MBA student is an adult, not a kid.

If by adulthood you haven't figured out that the world doesn't revolve around you, then consider yourself a failure at life.

 
2010-02-23 05:51:15 PM  

Sticky Hands: A lot of the daytime MBA programs don't allow their students to work. (Tho a lot do anyway) Although in this case it is a nice class, and I would assume that NYU has some sort of PMBA for working people...


Back in the late 90s, Stern had the highest-rated part-time MBA program in the country. I was seriously considering applying before I ended up moving to California instead.

/Still don't have an MBA.
//Don't live in Cali anymore, either.
 
2010-02-23 05:52:15 PM  

Just another Heartland Weirdass: Wow, 400+ comments and counting, I guess I am joinin in here pretty late.

/please don't throw me out.

Here's seriously what I don't get. Throwing the douchebag out ALSO interrupts class does it not?
In fact, it makes everyone stop thinking about what you were saying and start thinking "fark, I better not be late to this class. EVER. It might happen though cuz my car, my kids.... What if I am....... I don't know anyone in this class, maybe thats an "in" to intro myself to that hot little redhead over there....buttery thighs....


/just saying
//its all about egos.


It's NYU. The rare school where having a car is actually a detriment. It's more like "what if I'm stuck on the A?"

/yeah, I'm a nitpicking dick
 
2010-02-23 05:52:37 PM  

Skwishmitten: Inconceivable!: People can and should be able to leave a class whenever they farking feel like it.

If you distract other students and/or the professor while doing so, you should keep your ass glued to your seat, you self-absorbed assbasket.


Distract? Really? One person walking out of the room is a distraction to you? How in the world do you manage in the workplace?
 
2010-02-23 05:55:24 PM  
Seriously, SatanicPuppy. You just popped in to call me a douche? That's it. farking brilliant dude.

Was it the way that I gave examples to show exactly what was unprofessional? Or was it that I said how the email showed how the prof. lacked manners, humility, and respect for the institution with which he is employed? Or, more likely, it's because I said academia is insulated from the real world, isn't it?

Well if it's either of the first two, show me otherwise. If it's the last, well support for that statement would cross the bright red line of things I don't do on the internets, but suffice it to say I have plenty of reason to get a kick out of these replies.
 
2010-02-23 05:57:14 PM  

avalanche: MacGabhain: Unless you're at a for-profit pseudo-school, this is dead wrong. Students are NOT customers...

I'm totally stealing this.


The university provides a service by means of lecturing and lab facilities. The student pays for said service and use of said lab facilities. That sounds like a business transaction me. Which makes the students customers.

I'll go you one further: The fewer seats in a school [supply] and the more people that apply [demand] the higher the tuition can charge per student. That also sounds like a business model using basic economics.

At least drug dealers are upfront about their 'business model' and know that they have customers even if they are users/addicts. Yes, I understand that this may be a poor analogy. However, I'm tired of traditional educational institutions deluding themselves and the public with marketing weasel-speak to show or think that they really aren't a business's now.
 
2010-02-23 05:59:03 PM  

TheWizard: elev8meL8r: Yeah, the prof was out to humiliate the guy - either as "motivation" or pure spite.

But that said, I used to get so sick of those people that would register for 24 units of coursework, knowing fully well they would only take 15 of them - all because they expected to make that decision three weeks into the semester.

I did it because I was spending a crapload of money and I didn't want to take a gamble and end up with a Chinese or Romanian professor who couldn't speak more than a hint of English trying to teach multi-variable calculus. It wouldn't have been bad, but most seemed like you were about to throw a brick at them (cowering at the blackboard and speaking in whispers). I understand that it isn't their native language and they are likely self-conscious about it, but you are teaching a difficult course in College for which the students have paid a hell of a lot of money.

So I registered for multiple courses so as not to lose a space, and dropped the courses which had poor professors and elected to take them in the next semester when the professor would likely be on a different subject.

To be fair, I did drop the courses within the first day or two so other's who needed the course could sign up for it w/o losing a week of class.

Most of the time I would just contact the professor and talk to them before the course to get a feel for them. So I only did the multi-register thing for courses in which the professor was not named.


*that* I can understand. It was the students who made no effort to meet the profs, view a prior semester's syllabus, etc - then waited three weeks to drop the unwanted courses anyway.

I dealt with more students with entitlement issues than I dealt with arrogant professors - which probably informs where I side in this particular conflict.
 
2010-02-23 05:59:16 PM  

dahmers love zombie: (clears throat)...

BWAAHAHHHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (gasp)...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Guess what? Do that in my class and you will find campus security standing behind your chair. You won't get much of a chance to walk out on me. You will also find your record with the registrar's office pretty frozen. That is, if you decide to tell the Dean of Students to "fark off" when she calls you in to tell you that you're suspended from the University.


Well, seeing as how you know NOTHING about the context of the situation that occurred with me, it seems you are acting the ITG here. And why would I tell the Dean to fark off if it was you who was the one molesting students? And how would you so quickly get security anyway for a student that says "fark off" and leaves right away with a couple other students? What fantasy has this thread provoked in that tight little bean of yours?

It's like this, see -- think of it as a workplace. And I'm your boss.

See, here's the thing. It's not a workplace, and you're not a boss. Otherwise you would have a real job. I know you probably fantasize that you're the boss (the whole power trip thing) but you aren't. This may just blow your mind, but authority is only an illusion. You don't have it if nobody concedes to it.

Yes, you can all "quit" and I don't have much of a job, but there's many, many of you waiting around out there to take the places of those who do. That's why we have "course caps" and waiting lists. You, on the other hand, can be fired by me if you decide to play the fool too many times, or if I believe you to be creating a distracting learning environment, or a threatening one, or a disruptive one.

This is exactly why really bad teachers and professors can stay in their positions for so very long.

Now, as your boss, I really shouldn't be a dick to you. That's not fair, and it's not moral to do so. So I don't. But trust me -- ITGs like you, if they really are so mouthy in class, quickly become a liability to the entire class, and as such they can't expect the class to have THEIR back. It's more typical that the professor gets thanked for throwing abusive dipwad students out than the opposite.

I'm not sure how you got "mouthy student" from a "student who stood up for someone else in class and told the teacher to fark off"....once, and briefly. Again, you don't know my story, but presume you do.

However, keep on keepin' on. Oh, and next time you tell a professor to fark off, you might want to actually make it audible. Take notes. Don't stop taking notes at the end of class -- give it a few days. Then report back to us. OK? Thanx.

He was fired after the students and I reported him. Oh it was audible.

You seem like a very small person with an insecurity complex.

Funny part is, I've been on Fark for a while, and I normally like your posts. I want to like you.
 
2010-02-23 05:59:48 PM  
I don't know where to stand on this one.

I'm currently in college and am astounded at the number of idiots that lack common courtesy and a real ambition to actually learn something. If I were an undergraduate teacher, I'd probably be just as cynical as this guy. But as a post-graduate professor, I'm definitely sure I wouldn't put up with this type of shiat.

Everyone wants to say that the student is an adult and should be allowed to do what he wants, but I'm pretty sure that I'd be more critical of my students because I'd assume at that point that they are all adults. An adult doesn't burst into class an hour late and if he does, he at least discusses it with the professor prior, via e-mail or in person. It's not that difficult to find a faculty directory. If the professor is unwilling to compromise, then I can see why this is an issue, but that's an assumption you can't make (and most teachers would be happy to).
 
2010-02-23 06:00:46 PM  

Constance Velocity: If that's true, that's too bad. There are far too many arrogantly-entitled people who can't hear anything unless it's applied with a sledgehammer. And they need to be told.


Not disagreeing with that. But a snarky email is probably the worst possible way to try do that.
 
2010-02-23 06:01:52 PM  
This is a tough one. A student with entitlement issues or a self important professor. Both of whom think an MBA is worth more than the paper it's printed on.

Here's how to settle it: Break all of their limbs and throw them both off a 30 foot cliff, making sure they survive but writhe in pain without medical attention. I win.
 
2010-02-23 06:03:56 PM  

Tabemaju: An adult doesn't burst into class an hour late...



Again with the presumption of bursting. WTF?
 
2010-02-23 06:04:16 PM  

Psycho Zombie Monkey: I would subscribe to your newsletter...but mine is much better.


Perfect response.

I guess the "learn humility" thing hits a special chord with me because I get it all the time from my dumb-ass coworkers who are just trying to coast out the last 15 years of their careers. I would be humble if I were them, too, they suck.

I like it when I meet a fellow smart-ass, as long as they can back it up.
 
2010-02-23 06:06:25 PM  

Wulfman: Tabemaju: An adult doesn't burst into class an hour late...


Again with the presumption of bursting. WTF?


HAI GUYZ! IS THIS BUSINESS MARKETING!?
 
2010-02-23 06:07:45 PM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Head_Shot: /CEO of a media company

See Fark thread 5050495


LOL. Hey, where's MY supermodel?!?!?!
 
2010-02-23 06:08:49 PM  
dahmers love zombie:It's like this, see -- think of it as a workplace. And I'm your boss. Yes, you can all "quit" and I don't have much of a job, but there's many, many of you waiting around out there to take the places of those who do. That's why we have "course caps" and waiting lists. You, on the other hand, can be fired by me if you decide to play the fool too many times, or if I believe you to be creating a distracting learning environment, or a threatening one, or a disruptive one.

Now, as your boss, I really shouldn't be a dick to you. That's not fair, and it's not moral to do so. So I don't. But trust me -- ITGs like you, if they really are so mouthy in class, quickly become a liability to the entire class, and as such they can't expect the class to have THEIR back. It's more typical that the professor gets thanked for throwing abusive dipwad students out than the opposite.

However, keep on keepin' on. Oh, and next time you tell a professor to fark off, you might want to actually make it audible. Take notes. Don't stop taking notes at the end of class -- give it a few days. Then report back to us. OK? Thanx.

I don't pay to work. So yeah, you act like a dick and I'm going to *gasp* feel entitled to not sit there and take it. Telling you to fark right off would be retarded. Reacting by calling campus security on a student because he talked back is also retarded, though.

I can't stress enough. You are a college professor. You probably feel very pleased with yourself for working your way up through the dregs of the hellhole that is academia, and we're all happy for you. You did not invent your subject. You are not the end all be all of your subject.

Get over yourself.

Like you expect all your students to... you know?
 
2010-02-23 06:10:04 PM  
MBA: Mediocre but arrogant.

Is that in here? christ, I don't have all day to read the farking thread.
 
2010-02-23 06:12:08 PM  
Wait you started with:

Head_Shot: I have told off professors loudly in class before, including one I told to fark right off. They get off on the authority and are absolutely stymied when it blows up in their faces. Priceless.


And it suddenly went to:

Head_Shot: Well, seeing as how you know NOTHING about the context of the situation that occurred with me, it seems you are acting the ITG here. And why would I tell the Dean to fark off if it was you who was the one molesting students?


You didn't feel that was a necessary detail to bring up in the Boobies? You know such as "I have told off professors who molest their students loudly in class before, including one I told to fark right off." That was pretty irresponsible of you Head_Shot, seems like baiting to me.
 
2010-02-23 06:13:31 PM  
99.99% of days I hate my school and everything about it. This is not one of those days.
 
2010-02-23 06:15:24 PM  

Leonard_Cohen: MBA's candidates are morans, if it was an engineering student (like myself) we would have told the prof that we were in the class already and we just came back from the bathroom.

/actually an Eng student would try to find a youtube vid of the class and not burn up valuable calories travelling from class to class.


Which is why engineers end up making much less money than the MBAs for whom they work.
 
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