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2010-02-23 11:15:29 AM
Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

But, the guys writing about hockey from Kansas City, so, give him a little slack.
 
2010-02-23 11:29:42 AM
Compared to Canada, they are. But in this case, I think that worked to their advantage.

Brodeur already has a gold medal. He has accomplished everything in the sport. I don't think he really cares about this the way the guys like Crosby or Iginla do.
 
2010-02-23 12:33:54 PM
dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

US, Canada, Russia... if these teams finish 1-2-3 in any order, there are going to be NHL teams that can boast 3 different medals.
 
2010-02-23 12:34:03 PM
Apparently the reporter read up on the 1980 team, and was unaware professionals are allowed to play now.
 
2010-02-23 01:23:03 PM
impaler: Apparently the reporter read up on the 1980 team, and was unaware professionals are allowed to play now.

I'm guessing he's trying to create an allusion to the 1980 hockey team. I saw the piece Al Michaels did this weekend on the team since it's the 30th anniversary, and I think he used that phrase verbatim.

I'm not defending the reporter by any means. If anything, it's lazy journalism.
 
2010-02-23 01:23:08 PM
dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

But, the guys writing about hockey from Kansas City, so, give him a little slack.


Not for long. bettman wants to end the partnership because it cuts into the season and he cant control it like the little napoleon DICKtator he is.

So it will go back to being the boring nobody cares beer league olympics that it was in the past.
 
2010-02-23 01:23:10 PM
I bet that kid Brian Rafalski could have a pretty good career in the NHL.
 
2010-02-23 01:24:10 PM
Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

US, Canada, Russia... if these teams finish 1-2-3 in any order, there are going to be NHL teams that can boast 3 different medals.


Can't happen, either Russia or Canada can medal but both cannot.
 
2010-02-23 01:24:28 PM
AP writer Most Americans, apparently having never heard of the NHL, calls US Olympic Hockey team "a bunch of unproven kids"

FTFY, subby
 
2010-02-23 01:24:54 PM
Yeah they're all NHLers, but the American team is very young and most have no previous Olympic experience. So while it's not quite 1980, it's not like the Canadian team either.
 
2010-02-23 01:25:00 PM
The Americans didn't believe in miracles. They just believed.

I've read that lede three times now, and it's still nonsense.
 
2010-02-23 01:25:05 PM
SigmaAlgebra: I bet that kid Brian Rafalski could have a pretty good career in the NHL.

That kid in net should probably get a few looks too. If hes lucky he can ride the pine in a small budget city.
 
2010-02-23 01:26:18 PM
I'd cut the writer some slack.

They are "kids" in the relative sense that Team USA has the youngest roster in the entire tournament.

And they are, for the most part, unproven in Olympics competition, having only a few players who appeared in previous Olympics.
 
2010-02-23 01:28:14 PM
This is why we can't have nice things. Because the stupid, it burns us, and in the darkness binds us.
 
2010-02-23 01:28:36 PM
Actually, the US Team is pretty well situated since many of their best forwards (maybe with the exception of Kane and Stasny) are excellent two-way players...not overly skilled but good skaters and very capable of defending the top lines on the other teams.

They aren't built to come back from multiple goal deficits or to score goals in bunches, but if you're essentially a team of gritty penalty killers with the speed to capitalize on a mistake, you'll stick around in a lot of games you're otherwise overmatched in.

/having Miller behind the pipes helps a lot too
 
2010-02-23 01:28:49 PM
Canada does have the advantage of being able to choose from 500 NHLers versus America's 200, but it's hardly a huge upset. It's much more like South Carolina beating Kentucky in basketball this year than the Appalachian State football over Michigan.
 
2010-02-23 01:32:16 PM
RsquaredW: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

US, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic... if these teams finish 1-2-3 in any order, there are going to be NHL teams that can boast 3 different medals.

Can't happen, either Russia or Canada can medal but both cannot.


FTFY
 
2010-02-23 01:32:26 PM
poisonedpawn78: Not for long. bettman wants to end the partnership because it cuts into the season and he cant control it like the little napoleon DICKtator he is.

So it will go back to being the boring nobody cares beer league olympics that it was in the past.


I suspect he's really holding onto Olympic participation as a bargaining chip to gain concessions in return from the players in the next CBA negotiations.

In any case, I can see his point-of-view. How much would the NHL really benefit by going to Sochi? All the games are going to be on in the middle of the night in North America. The die-hardest hockey fans are going to watch, but is the NHL going to gain any fans by going to Sochi? No. Casual fans are not going to be catching games at 3 am.
 
2010-02-23 01:42:25 PM
Is anyone else sick of writers/sports "analysts" suggesting (or flat out saying) this is the biggest Olympic hockey upset since 1980? It blatantly ignores the ridiculous upset (which is easily #2 after 1980) Belarus pulled on Sweden (in a play-in game for the medal round, at that):

Final minutes of Belarus/Sweden (new window)

After seeing that, the USA/Canada game isn't even in the same category of an upset. I think the Belarus team has 1 or 2 NHLers on their team, and compared to the Swedes...
 
2010-02-23 01:44:37 PM
Killer Cars: Actually, the US Team is pretty well situated since many of their best forwards (maybe with the exception of Kane and Stasny) are excellent two-way players...not overly skilled but good skaters and very capable of defending the top lines on the other teams.

They aren't built to come back from multiple goal deficits or to score goals in bunches, but if you're essentially a team of gritty penalty killers with the speed to capitalize on a mistake, you'll stick around in a lot of games you're otherwise overmatched in.

/having Miller behind the pipes helps a lot too


Exactly my thoughts. Well put.
 
2010-02-23 01:48:19 PM
Unproven on the Olympic stages I'd say. Also remember there are still a bunch of college kids on this team and newbies to the NHL. So yah... they're underdogs. But I think Sundays win has erased the "underdog" or "unproven" status.
 
2010-02-23 01:48:39 PM
Wait... you mean there's a place to play hockey professionally? Why isn't it televised?
 
2010-02-23 01:49:36 PM
The Americans didn't believe in miracles. They just believed.


Schmaltzy statement is schmaltzy.
 
2010-02-23 01:50:10 PM
FrankApollo: Is anyone else sick of writers/sports "analysts" suggesting (or flat out saying) this is the biggest Olympic hockey upset since 1980? It blatantly ignores the ridiculous upset (which is easily #2 after 1980) Belarus pulled on Sweden (in a play-in game for the medal round, at that):

Final minutes of Belarus/Sweden (new window)

After seeing that, the USA/Canada game isn't even in the same category of an upset. I think the Belarus team has 1 or 2 NHLers on their team, and compared to the Swedes...



I think the Cold War is the reason why everyone saw it as huge accomplishment... never mind no one gave the U.S. ANY chance to win that game.
 
2010-02-23 01:51:39 PM
Killer Cars: /having Miller behind the pipes helps a lot too

Huh?
 
2010-02-23 01:52:52 PM
It's okay; it's my understanding Hitler fell for the same line of logic.
 
2010-02-23 01:53:00 PM
fruitloop: RsquaredW: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

US, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic... if these teams finish 1-2-3 in any order, there are going to be NHL teams that can boast 3 different medals.

Can't happen, either Russia or Canada can medal but both cannot.

FTFY


Hmm, I know the Pens would've gotten a USA-RUS-CAN triple medal (Crosby/Malkin/Orpick) but I'm trying to think of an NHL team with triple medal potential with current brackets. Anyone help?
 
2010-02-23 01:53:50 PM
redomega: Killer Cars: /having Miller behind the pipes helps a lot too

Huh?


Well, he's not the MOST effective goalie from there, but you should see him dart out from the trapezoid to contest shots.
 
2010-02-23 01:54:49 PM
FrankApollo: Is anyone else sick of writers/sports "analysts" suggesting (or flat out saying) this is the biggest Olympic hockey upset since 1980? It blatantly ignores the ridiculous upset (which is easily #2 after 1980) Belarus pulled on Sweden (in a play-in game for the medal round, at that):

Final minutes of Belarus/Sweden (new window)

After seeing that, the USA/Canada game isn't even in the same category of an upset. I think the Belarus team has 1 or 2 NHLers on their team, and compared to the Swedes...


I think the writer was attempting to say that the game was the US' biggest upset... not the biggest upset for anyone.

/I think we can all agree the article was just poorly written.
 
2010-02-23 01:56:14 PM
FrankApollo: Is anyone else sick of writers/sports "analysts" suggesting (or flat out saying) this is the biggest Olympic hockey upset since 1980? It blatantly ignores the ridiculous upset (which is easily #2 after 1980) Belarus pulled on Sweden (in a play-in game for the medal round, at that):

Final minutes of Belarus/Sweden (new window)

After seeing that, the USA/Canada game isn't even in the same category of an upset. I think the Belarus team has 1 or 2 NHLers on their team, and compared to the Swedes...


i111.photobucket.com

/Gary, I thought he was gonna cry.
//thanks for the link
 
2010-02-23 01:56:29 PM
redomega: Killer Cars: /having Miller behind the pipes helps a lot too

Huh?


Based on my craptacular wording, it's a new style of goaltending he's trying out apparently.

I heard in the medal rounds he's going to play behind the net.
 
2010-02-23 01:57:38 PM
They're just having fun, just like a bunch of kids out there.
 
2010-02-23 01:57:56 PM
robertus: /Gary, I thought he was gonna cry.


I miss that dude calling hockey games on a regular basis.
 
2010-02-23 02:03:13 PM
Killer Cars: /having Miller behind the pipes helps a lot too

I can see how hiding behind the pipes and leaping out at the last second could work once or twice, but having a goal tender skinny enough to hide behind a pipe will eventually catch up with them in the medal rounds.
 
2010-02-23 02:06:21 PM
Well, the US team is generally unproven in the Olympics, however, what's coming back to bite Canada is that so many of their players have been there before but are now rather on the old side, so I'd say it's a wash.
 
2010-02-23 02:06:33 PM
RsquaredW: Hmm, I know the Pens would've gotten a USA-RUS-CAN triple medal (Crosby/Malkin/Orpick) but I'm trying to think of an NHL team with triple medal potential with current brackets. Anyone help?

I guess the Bruins could, with Bergeron (CAN), Thomas (USA) and Krejci (CZE). Of course, since Germany (Sturm) and Slovakia (Chara) can still technically medal its still wide open, technically...
 
2010-02-23 02:08:24 PM
wow article writer. good points.

if that langenbrunner kid and that parise kid were ever to play on the same team....man..fireworks
 
2010-02-23 02:08:31 PM
RsquaredW: fruitloop: RsquaredW: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

US, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic... if these teams finish 1-2-3 in any order, there are going to be NHL teams that can boast 3 different medals.

Can't happen, either Russia or Canada can medal but both cannot.

FTFY

Hmm, I know the Pens would've gotten a USA-RUS-CAN triple medal (Crosby/Malkin/Orpick) but I'm trying to think of an NHL team with triple medal potential with current brackets. Anyone help?


A team with players on the us/rus/can team... NJ is the other one that comes to mind.
 
2010-02-23 02:13:11 PM
FrankApollo: Is anyone else sick of writers/sports "analysts" suggesting (or flat out saying) this is the biggest Olympic hockey upset since 1980? It blatantly ignores the ridiculous upset (which is easily #2 after 1980) Belarus pulled on Sweden (in a play-in game for the medal round, at that):

Final minutes of Belarus/Sweden (new window)

After seeing that, the USA/Canada game isn't even in the same category of an upset. I think the Belarus team has 1 or 2 NHLers on their team, and compared to the Swedes...




You're completely right! And nobody cares! It's unbelievable!
 
2010-02-23 02:16:04 PM
Stupid reporter. Everybody knows these guys are just Canadians in disguise. Americans don't play hockey, they just hire Canadians to play for them.
 
2010-02-23 02:17:02 PM
SuperT: RsquaredW: fruitloop: RsquaredW: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: dletter: Aren't all the Olympic hockey teams now basically the "NHL" All stars from their countries now, and have been since like the late 90s?

US, Canada, Russia, Sweden, Finland, Czech Republic... if these teams finish 1-2-3 in any order, there are going to be NHL teams that can boast 3 different medals.

Can't happen, either Russia or Canada can medal but both cannot.

FTFY

Hmm, I know the Pens would've gotten a USA-RUS-CAN triple medal (Crosby/Malkin/Orpick) but I'm trying to think of an NHL team with triple medal potential with current brackets. Anyone help?

A team with players on the us/rus/can team... NJ is the other one that comes to mind.


quick 3:
detroit (usa-rus-swe-fin-cze)
vancouver (usa-can-swe-fin)
san jose (usa-can-rus-swe)
 
2010-02-23 02:17:24 PM
zippolight2002: Unproven on the Olympic stages I'd say. Also remember there are still a bunch of college kids on this team and newbies to the NHL. So yah... they're underdogs. But I think Sundays win has erased the "underdog" or "unproven" status.

Try actually looking at the US roster. Every US player is in the NHL and is playing at a high level in that league. There are no "college kids" or "NHL newbies" on the team.

While Canada may have been favored in the game, I don't see why people are trying to paint this as a huge upset on the order of the 1980 US/U.S.S.R. game. Both teams ( along with the Russians and the Swedes ) have the talent and the goaltending to win gold. The US was just the better team on Sunday.
 
2010-02-23 02:20:08 PM
Buffalo
Miller (USA)
Tallinder (SWE)
Lydman (Fin)
 
rka
2010-02-23 02:23:34 PM
FrankApollo: Is anyone else sick of writers/sports "analysts" suggesting (or flat out saying) this is the biggest Olympic hockey upset since 1980?

This particular article only alluded to it being the US's largest upset since 1980. Which is probably true. It doesn't say that it is the largest upset since 1980 for every country.
 
2010-02-23 02:24:29 PM
celery_stalker: Buffalo
Miller (USA)
Tallinder (SWE)
Lydman (Fin)


And,

Jochen Hecht (Germany)
Andrej Sekera (Slovakia)

And Lindy Ruff, assistant coach for Team Canada.

All in all, six Buffalo Sabres, on six different teams.
 
2010-02-23 02:24:52 PM
I was about to say San Jose, but I forgot both Goc and Erhoff no longer play for them, and I doubt they can go all "sprechen sie deutsch?" to the Canadians and get beyond them and others to a medal.
 
2010-02-23 02:26:33 PM
Doc Daneeka: celery_stalker: Buffalo
Miller (USA)
Tallinder (SWE)
Lydman (Fin)

And,

Jochen Hecht (Germany)
Andrej Sekera (Slovakia)

And Lindy Ruff, assistant coach for Team Canada.

All in all, six Buffalo Sabres, on six different teams.


And despite all that, Brett Hulls goal still counts......
 
2010-02-23 02:26:48 PM
a323.yahoofs.com (new window)
 
2010-02-23 02:30:56 PM
I am Ahab: They're just having fun, just like a bunch of kids out there.

blogs.citypages.com

Brett sees what you did there
 
2010-02-23 02:36:56 PM
Lt. Cheese Weasel: Doc Daneeka: celery_stalker: Buffalo
Miller (USA)
Tallinder (SWE)
Lydman (Fin)

And,

Jochen Hecht (Germany)
Andrej Sekera (Slovakia)

And Lindy Ruff, assistant coach for Team Canada.

All in all, six Buffalo Sabres, on six different teams.

And despite all that, Brett Hulls goal still counts......


And that has what to with what, exactly?
 
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