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2010-02-22 01:05:59 PM  
I love these tards.
"but what do you mean, my job isnt for life????"

when did it become a company's responsibily to provide lifetime employment?
 
2010-02-22 01:12:12 PM  

namatad: I love these tards.
"but what do you mean, my job isnt for life????"

when did it become a company's responsibily to provide lifetime employment?


Generally, that's how things were understood to be back in the day.

Many other places in the world are like this.
 
2010-02-22 01:34:17 PM  
For every one of about 4,500 GM and auto supplier jobs that disappeared, another was lost outside the industry, says Bob Borremans, head of the Southwest Wisconsin Workforce Development Board.

This is exactly the argument I was making when the argument was underway to save GM, and I was laughed at by Fark Independents for not knowing what I was talking about.
 
2010-02-22 01:35:21 PM  

Shostie: Generally, that's how things were understood to be back in the day.

Many other places in the world are like this.


sure, I get it. but people understand that the world has changed, right?
we have cell phones and airplanes and computers in every home.

I guess the same tards who made fun of us for reading science fiction are the same tards who are SHOCKED by all the changes predicted in those stories.

/seriously, what was the last tech development which wasnt predicted in SF? (predicting WHEN it would happen is not what I am talking about)

/this guy needs a flying car!!
 
jbb
2010-02-22 01:47:15 PM  
Why didn't he move house?
/didn't read article properly...
 
2010-02-22 01:47:46 PM  
poor guy doesn't know how to do ANYTHING, else.
 
2010-02-22 01:50:17 PM  
there were reasons not to uproot everyone: Laura works at their sons' Catholic school, the boys are immersed in band, Scouts, basketball and church, and the sale of a house was an iffy and perhaps money-losing proposition.

I don't feel for this guy at all. People move all the time for jobs. Yes, it is a pain, but the option is there. It's your choice.
 
2010-02-22 01:50:18 PM  

jbb: Why didn't he move house?
/didn't read article properly...


They didn't want to uproot the family.

I fail to see why this guy is a Dumbass. Its not like he does this every day (which would be impossible anyway). I know people who have taken jobs this distance (or further) from their homes around here. Of course they don't come home every week. Every two weeks or once a month, sometimes longer. Talk to the guys from Atlantic Canada who work in the oil fields in Alberta. Usually gone 3-6 months of the year working insane hours and then coming home for a few months. And in all those cases it is cheaper than uprooting the family and moving.
 
2010-02-22 01:50:49 PM  
This is happening in Marion, Indiana too. A bunch of Michigan workers were transferred to the Marion plant a few years short of full retirement. It has boosted the economy in Marion and driven up rental prices and the guys drive home on weekends.

GM then decided to add jobs to another Michigan plant but the poor folks that transferred to Indiana and commute were then not allowed to put in for a job at the other Michigan plant. So stupid.

/Cool story
 
2010-02-22 01:51:48 PM  

Shostie: namatad: I love these tards.
"but what do you mean, my job isnt for life????"

when did it become a company's responsibily to provide lifetime employment?

Generally, that's how things were understood to be back in the day.

Many other places in the world are like this.


Prior to Henry Ford, it wasn't. Most of the Robber Barons and early industiralists looked at labor as a completely disposible commodity.
 
2010-02-22 01:51:59 PM  
Dunno about 1000 miles, but 10-12 years ago when I lived in Minnesota, I worked at GE with some folks who lived 150+ miles away in Wisconsin or Iowa. They claimed they saved enough $$$ by living that far out of the Cities for the commute to be worth it. *shrug*
 
2010-02-22 01:52:09 PM  
This article smells like bullshiat.

FTA: "You can't put a negative spin on it and say you hate it. I'm working long hours, making good money,"

Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering
 
2010-02-22 01:52:51 PM  

Another Government Employee: Shostie: namatad: I love these tards.
"but what do you mean, my job isnt for life????"

when did it become a company's responsibily to provide lifetime employment?

Generally, that's how things were understood to be back in the day.

Many other places in the world are like this.

Prior to Henry Ford, it wasn't. Most of the Robber Barons and early industiralists looked at labor as a completely disposible commodity.


Sorry. I should clarify "back in the day" as about 40-50 years ago.
 
2010-02-22 01:52:58 PM  
jbb: Why didn't he move house?
/didn't read article properly...


Because it's hard to sell your house in a town where the largest employer just shut down.
 
2010-02-22 01:53:04 PM  
FTFA: Hanley didn't want to lose his health insurance while his wife, Laura, was receiving costly chemotherapy treatments for a blood disease that will likely lead to cancer. The medical bills last year, she says, were in the tens of thousands of dollars.

"There's no way I could possibly go through one treatment without him having insurance," she says.


Ha! Let's all laugh at the retard! What a maroon!
 
2010-02-22 01:54:05 PM  
Accent
This article smells like bullshiat.

FTA: "You can't put a negative spin on it and say you hate it. I'm working long hours, making good money,"

Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering


it was way at the end but he stays in kansas for the week...heads home on weekends.
 
2010-02-22 01:54:37 PM  

Accent: This article smells like bullshiat.

FTA: "You can't put a negative spin on it and say you hate it. I'm working long hours, making good money,"

Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering


I think he's only going home for the weekend, and staying in town during the week.
 
2010-02-22 01:54:47 PM  

Accent: Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering


He goes home on weekends, not every day.
 
2010-02-22 01:54:48 PM  
I think the dumbass tag is for subby. This guy made decisions based on his family situation. Sure it is a tough way to live, but it is his life.
 
2010-02-22 01:55:46 PM  
Accent 2010-02-22 01:52:09 PM
This article smells like bullshiat.
FTA: "You can't put a negative spin on it and say you hate it. I'm working long hours, making good money,"
Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering


You may want to re-read that article or read it for the first time. He does the commute once per week.
 
2010-02-22 01:56:04 PM  
Too bad they can't work extra shifts during the week so they could get longer weekends -- like maybe double up Tuesday and Wednesday and head home Thursday afternoon and the drive back to work Monday afternoon.
 
2010-02-22 01:56:28 PM  

entropic_existence: jbb: Why didn't he move house?
/didn't read article properly...

They didn't want to uproot the family.

I fail to see why this guy is a Dumbass. Its not like he does this every day (which would be impossible anyway). I know people who have taken jobs this distance (or further) from their homes around here. Of course they don't come home every week. Every two weeks or once a month, sometimes longer. Talk to the guys from Atlantic Canada who work in the oil fields in Alberta. Usually gone 3-6 months of the year working insane hours and then coming home for a few months.


Or, pretty much any Navy family.
 
2010-02-22 01:57:14 PM  
How is this guy a dumbass again?
 
2010-02-22 01:57:23 PM  
It's better than walking that distance and possibly walking that same distance again.
 
2010-02-22 01:57:29 PM  

Saluki222: I think the dumbass tag is for subby. This guy made decisions based on his family situation. Sure it is a tough way to live, but it is his life.


Yep. With a wife in chemo (and just TRY getting coverage for that serious a pre-existing condition if you have to change insurance companies midstream) and a family depending on him... he's doing what he needs to do to keep the family afloat. It sucks, and I for one admire the guy for having the ability to make a really unpleasant choice for the love of his family.
 
2010-02-22 01:59:06 PM  

busy chillin': Accent
This article smells like bullshiat.

FTA: "You can't put a negative spin on it and say you hate it. I'm working long hours, making good money,"

Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering

it was way at the end but he stays in kansas for the week...heads home on weekends.


Then that doesn't really seem like a "commute" to me.
More of a "works out of town, but comes home on the weekends."

Pretty misleading sob-story for folks (like myself) who have a short attention span.
 
2010-02-22 01:59:17 PM  
Growing up, my family was in this situation a couple of times. It ain't fun when the only time you see your Dad is coming from or going to the airport.
 
2010-02-22 02:00:22 PM  

Tali: Saluki222: I think the dumbass tag is for subby. This guy made decisions based on his family situation. Sure it is a tough way to live, but it is his life.

Yep. With a wife in chemo (and just TRY getting coverage for that serious a pre-existing condition if you have to change insurance companies midstream) and a family depending on him... he's doing what he needs to do to keep the family afloat. It sucks, and I for one admire the guy for having the ability to make a really unpleasant choice for the love of his family.


This
 
2010-02-22 02:02:03 PM  
The fairfax district is literally 10 to 15 blocks from my office, but I never go down there.
 
2010-02-22 02:03:02 PM  

entropic_existence: jbb: Why didn't he move house?
/didn't read article properly...

They didn't want to uproot the family.

I fail to see why this guy is a Dumbass. Its not like he does this every day (which would be impossible anyway). I know people who have taken jobs this distance (or further) from their homes around here. Of course they don't come home every week. Every two weeks or once a month, sometimes longer. Talk to the guys from Atlantic Canada who work in the oil fields in Alberta. Usually gone 3-6 months of the year working insane hours and then coming home for a few months. And in all those cases it is cheaper than uprooting the family and moving.


Actually what he is doing seems very "bootstrappy", not stupid. I don't see how dude is a dumbass for being able to keep his health insurance so his wife can get treated and being able to send his kids to college.
 
2010-02-22 02:04:30 PM  

entropic_existence: jbb: Why didn't he move house?
/didn't read article properly...

They didn't want to uproot the family.

I fail to see why this guy is a Dumbass. Its not like he does this every day (which would be impossible anyway). I know people who have taken jobs this distance (or further) from their homes around here. Of course they don't come home every week. Every two weeks or once a month, sometimes longer. Talk to the guys from Atlantic Canada who work in the oil fields in Alberta. Usually gone 3-6 months of the year working insane hours and then coming home for a few months. And in all those cases it is cheaper than uprooting the family and moving.


We must be stupid; I fail to see why this is dumbass, too.
 
2010-02-22 02:04:37 PM  
WHAT A MAN
 
2010-02-22 02:05:25 PM  
Accent

Then that doesn't really seem like a "commute" to me.
More of a "works out of town, but comes home on the weekends."

Pretty misleading sob-story for folks (like myself) who have a short attention span.


I completely agree.
 
2010-02-22 02:05:41 PM  

Accent: This article smells like bullshiat.

FTA: "You can't put a negative spin on it and say you hate it. I'm working long hours, making good money,"

Even if this guy averaged 70mph the whole commute that is 15 hours of driving per day.
Which leaves 9 hours to "work long hours" and sleep per day...
excluding eating, shiatting, and showering


I would hate to see your post go unanswered. He does not commute every day, but rather only commutes on the weekends. I hope this clears up your confusion. I am shocked that no one has pointed this out yet.
 
2010-02-22 02:08:23 PM  
I worked for a Big Three supplier in a Detroit suburb back in the late 1970s/early 1980s, and our salary/benefits were comparable to those offered by the UAW, as was the fashion at that time. We had a lot of engineers, machinists, and CAD/CAM guys who commuted daily from suburban Windsor, Ontario, Canada (even with the Canadian socialized medical system, our benefits were apparently better) and Toledo, Ohio (almost a 90 mile drive one-way). Most of these folks had hired in with us to bide their time until an opening at Ford, GM or Chrysler opened up. Back then, that was the Holy Grail of Employment Security - get a job (whether on the assembly line or as a secretary in the office) at the Big Three. Even if it meant a many-hour daily commute, or dealing with Customs twice daily, it was apparently worth it. As mentioned in the article, quite often you could only get in if you "knew" somebody, or were a "legacy" - members of your family had worked there for a generation or two. A close friend of mine went through the motions of going to college to get a Bachelor's Degree in Criminal Justice, even though she had a job waiting for her at GM, where her dad and grandad both worked. She started out as a security guard at the GM Tech Center in 1981 and still works there today. Wonder why the auto companies are bleeding money? Back in 1981 she was paid $15 an hour (with full "Gold Card" medical benefits) to be an unarmed security guard (more money than most municipal police officers earned at the time). If she worked on a holiday, she was paid triple time - $45/hour. Job stress for her was when car alarms first became popular and were so sensitive that on a windy/stormy day several dozen cars in the parking lot would start bleeping and honking. She earned that $45/hour, buddy, by writing down license plate numbers and having the owners paged so they could disarm their vehicles.
 
2010-02-22 02:08:35 PM  
I wonder if he opposes any effort to reform our health insurance system.
 
2010-02-22 02:10:00 PM  
I find this story more Sad than Dumbass. Times are tough. I don't see that it costs us anything to sympathize with a rough choice.


... sorry, forgot where I was for a minute there.

He sounds fat.
 
2010-02-22 02:15:25 PM  
Dumbass tag may be out of line, but the arti is written in such a way to drum up sympathy for the guy.

None is necessary or deserved. He has a good job and made a choice on the way he wants to keep it.

Many others would decide to move. He didn't. Whatever works for him.
 
2010-02-22 02:17:30 PM  
Why doesn't he just go get a job being a fake-blogger for $28/hr & full benefits? Oh wait, his Ass is too Dumb, that's right.
Gimmee a break
 
2010-02-22 02:19:13 PM  
I have somewhat distant relative that lives in Connecticut and works in Tampa.

/I think he's the CEO or CFO of a Xerox subsidiary
//I've only met him twice at family reunions
 
2010-02-22 02:21:11 PM  
hwilkes501: Why doesn't he just go get a job being a fake-blogger for $28/hr & full benefits? Oh wait, his Ass is too Dumb, that's right.
Gimmee a break


hwilkes501, what you have just said is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
 
2010-02-22 02:21:22 PM  
I like how the second (?) guy in the article's father is chair of the UAW, all his relatives have 'somehow' gotten these coveted jobs, and he has this 'I am not giving them the satisfaction' anti-company attitude.
 
2010-02-22 02:22:20 PM  

Tali: Saluki222: I think the dumbass tag is for subby. This guy made decisions based on his family situation. Sure it is a tough way to live, but it is his life.

Yep. With a wife in chemo (and just TRY getting coverage for that serious a pre-existing condition if you have to change insurance companies midstream) and a family depending on him... he's doing what he needs to do to keep the family afloat. It sucks, and I for one admire the guy for having the ability to make a really unpleasant choice for the love of his family.


Yes, this.
 
2010-02-22 02:25:52 PM  

Ouisch: I worked for a Big Three supplier in a Detroit suburb back in the late 1970s/early 1980s, and our salary/benefits were comparable to those offered by the UAW, as was the fashion at that time. We had a lot of engineers, machinists, and CAD/CAM guys who commuted daily from suburban Windsor, Ontario, Canada (even with the Canadian socialized medical system, our benefits were apparently better) and Toledo, Ohio (almost a 90 mile drive one-way). Most of these folks had hired in with us to bide their time until an opening at Ford, GM or Chrysler opened up. Back then, that was the Holy Grail of Employment Security - get a job (whether on the assembly line or as a secretary in the office) at the Big Three. Even if it meant a many-hour daily commute, or dealing with Customs twice daily, it was apparently worth it. As mentioned in the article, quite often you could only get in if you "knew" somebody, or were a "legacy" - members of your family had worked there for a generation or two. A close friend of mine went through the motions of going to college to get a Bachelor's Degree in Criminal Justice, even though she had a job waiting for her at GM, where her dad and grandad both worked. She started out as a security guard at the GM Tech Center in 1981 and still works there today. Wonder why the auto companies are bleeding money? Back in 1981 she was paid $15 an hour (with full "Gold Card" medical benefits) to be an unarmed security guard (more money than most municipal police officers earned at the time). If she worked on a holiday, she was paid triple time - $45/hour. Job stress for her was when car alarms first became popular and were so sensitive that on a windy/stormy day several dozen cars in the parking lot would start bleeping and honking. She earned that $45/hour, buddy, by writing down license plate numbers and having the owners paged so they could disarm their vehicles.


Isn't that part of the problem though? Obviously companies can't afford to pay people high wages for low responsibility jobs, and thus they are cut when a company faces financial crisis. Do they really need to pay a rent a cop $45 an hour to do nothing all day every day?
 
2010-02-22 02:26:19 PM  
Generally, that's how things were understood to be back in the day.

Back in the day? Are you serious? These people are in their 40's. There was no sense of lifelong employment in their life. Where did you get your facts from?

Now go stand in the corner...
 
2010-02-22 02:26:35 PM  
You know those moving vans you see driving around town - this is what they're for.
 
2010-02-22 02:27:17 PM  

cbus60: Tali: Saluki222: I think the dumbass tag is for subby. This guy made decisions based on his family situation. Sure it is a tough way to live, but it is his life.

Yep. With a wife in chemo (and just TRY getting coverage for that serious a pre-existing condition if you have to change insurance companies midstream) and a family depending on him... he's doing what he needs to do to keep the family afloat. It sucks, and I for one admire the guy for having the ability to make a really unpleasant choice for the love of his family.

This


That
 
2010-02-22 02:27:50 PM  

entropic_existence: They didn't want to uproot the family.

I fail to see why this guy is a Dumbass. Its not like he does this every day (which would be impossible anyway). I know people who have taken jobs this distance (or further) from their homes around here. Of course they don't come home every week. Every two weeks or once a month, sometimes longer. Talk to the guys from Atlantic Canada who work in the oil fields in Alberta. Usually gone 3-6 months of the year working insane hours and then coming home for a few months. And in all those cases it is cheaper than uprooting the family and moving.


um, yah, this guy is a COMPLETE DUMBASS
how does never being home not uproot the family?
or is he the only one who is farked
so either he is just a pay check and therefore the family doesnt miss him
or he is an integral part of the family and not moving makes things worse

/blargh
 
2010-02-22 02:28:34 PM  
trippdogg: You know those moving vans you see driving around town - this is what they're for.

Obviously you know nothing about Janesville. That GM plant was the single largest employer in town. So, when the biggest employer in town shuts down, it makes it really farking hard to sell your house.
 
2010-02-22 02:28:50 PM  

trippdogg: You know those moving vans you see driving around town - this is what they're for.


LOL

/r u suggesting that he live in a moving van?
 
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