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(Washington Post)   Annoyed at the St. Petersburg Times telling pesky truths about them for years, the Church of Scientology hires three veteran journalists to investigate the paper. Says one of the journalists, "I can certainly use the money these days"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 140
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2010-02-22 10:53:59 AM
It's the high level defectors (new window) that are really screwing CoS's case, not the St Pete Times. The Times is just reporting on a great story, in other words, doing their job. Silly CoS.
 
2010-02-22 11:53:18 AM
The Clearwater Gazette should be doing this work not the St. Pete Times. Clearwater is where the Scientology HQ is. I guess the Church already has the Gazette in their pocket.
 
2010-02-22 11:53:28 AM
dogdaze: It's the high level defectors (new window) that are really screwing CoS's case, not the St Pete Times. The Times is just reporting on a great story, in other words, doing their job. Silly CoS.

THIS. CoS is finally learning that their Xenu crap brainwashing can only counter so much abuse before people wise up and say "fark you assclowns, I'm outta here."
 
2010-02-22 11:53:42 AM
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2010-02-22 11:55:26 AM
Mugato: The Clearwater Gazette should be doing this work not the St. Pete Times. Clearwater is where the Scientology HQ is. I guess the Church already has the Gazette in their pocket.

CoS has pretty much all of Clearwater in their pocket. Even the "independent" businesses in downtown CW are almost all Scientologist-owned. My husband worked for a little software company in downtown CW, and got "laid off" when he refused to bring Hubbard books home and make the family read them.
 
2010-02-22 11:55:44 AM
The CoS should be investigated by the feds.
 
2010-02-22 11:57:13 AM
Somewhere, there's a Society of Professional Journalists ethics chair facepalming...
 
2010-02-22 11:59:40 AM
Tali: Mugato: The Clearwater Gazette should be doing this work not the St. Pete Times. Clearwater is where the Scientology HQ is. I guess the Church already has the Gazette in their pocket.

CoS has pretty much all of Clearwater in their pocket. Even the "independent" businesses in downtown CW are almost all Scientologist-owned. My husband worked for a little software company in downtown CW, and got "laid off" when he refused to bring Hubbard books home and make the family read them.



Yeah, it's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" when you ride through downtown.
 
2010-02-22 12:02:39 PM
WTF? No "Caught Sayof????? Bad Smitty, bad
 
2010-02-22 12:03:12 PM
The CoS is a cult and anyone who it lured in by their money grubbing tactics is a desperate fool.

www.indybay.org
 
2010-02-22 12:03:33 PM
aresef: Somewhere, there's a Society of Professional Journalists ethics chair facepalming...

Wait...Journalists have ethics? That chair must have the most impotent job around. How can you punish someone for violating it? Removing their first amendment right?
 
2010-02-22 12:05:28 PM
In related news, everyone has a price, including journalists.
 
2010-02-22 12:05:41 PM
The St. Petersburg Times is a habitual crack user, and has cheated on its wife on numerous occasions. If you see a copy, stay away, or it will steal your purse and rape you. The SPT is a liar.

In other news, Tom Cruise is awesome.
 
2010-02-22 12:08:19 PM
good luck with that.
 
2010-02-22 12:11:21 PM
Say what you will about the Church of Scientology, but can we really say it is any worse than any other religion?

/This post brought to you by The Church of Scientology International, and no parts of it may be republished without the express written consent of the Chairman of Scientolgy International.
//why Yes, halfof33 has joined the CoS hit squad on fark. Our motto, "We Derail Every single Thread about the CoS or your money back."
 
2010-02-22 12:13:34 PM
halfof33: Say what you will about the Church of Scientology, but can we really say it is any worse than any other religion?

Waiting for that little meme. Whether you were joking or not, some people are serious when they say that.
 
2010-02-22 12:13:37 PM
I'm sure the CoS doesn't like this story:

"In 1946 Jack Parsons and L. Ron Hubbard participated in a ritual known as the Babalon Working which is famous in occult circles - loosely, it was an attempt to summon a living goddess and change the course of history. Paul Rydeen writes:

The purpose of Parson's operation has been underemphasized. He sought to produce a magickal child who would be a product of her environment rather than of her heredity. (Aleister) Crowley himself describes the Moonchild in just these terms. The Babalon Working itself was preparation for what was to come: a Thelemic messiah.

Parsons ended the ritual by declaring it successful. Almost immediately he met Marjorie Cameron right in his own home, and regarded her as the Scarlet Woman, the fulfillment of the ritual.

Parsons, Hubbard, and Cameron then began the next stage of the Babalon Working, with Cameron acting as Parsons' magical sexual partner with whom he could sire a Moonchild. The creation of this Moonchild had been previously covered in fictional form in Crowley's novel Moonchild. A physical child was not conceived, but this did not affect the results of the ritual to that point. Parsons and Cameron soon married.

In January 1946, Parsons, Sarah Northrup, and Hubbard started a boat dealing company named Allied Enterprises. Parsons put in the sum of approximately $21,000, and Hubbard put in $1,200. Hubbard eventually abandoned Parsons and their business plans, leaving for a port in Florida with the boat and with Sarah. Parsons retreated to his hotel room and summoned a typhoon in retribution (viz., with an evocation of Bartzabel[7] - the so-called intelligence supposedly presiding over the planet Mars). A Florida court later dissolved the poorly-contracted business, ordered repayment of debts to Parsons, and awarded ownership of the boat to Hubbard.

The Hubbard/Allied Enterprises relationship lasted until 1947, when Hubbard again defrauded Parsons of a sum of money and ran off again with Sara Northrup."

Wiki, Wiki, Wiki
 
2010-02-22 12:15:59 PM
halfof33: Say what you will about the Church of Scientology, but can we really say it is any worse than any other religion?

/This post brought to you by The Church of Scientology International, and no parts of it may be republished without the express written consent of the Chairman of Scientolgy International.
//why Yes, halfof33 has joined the CoS hit squad on fark. Our motto, "We Derail Every single Thread about the CoS or your money back."


Yes, we can definitely say say it is worse than some other religion.
 
2010-02-22 12:16:22 PM
Mugato: halfof33: Say what you will about the Church of Scientology, but can we really say it is any worse than any other religion?

Waiting for that little meme. Whether you were joking or not, some people are serious when they say that.


Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

All you need to know.
 
2010-02-22 12:16:23 PM
dogdaze: It's the high level defectors (new window) that are really screwing CoS's case, not the St Pete Times. The Times is just reporting on a great story, in other words, doing their job. Silly CoS.

It's the fact that they HAVE high ranking defectors that screws their case. Real religions do not charge you money to "level up" and gain top secret church knowledge.
/Level up today and get a FREE +1 Xenu Saber!
 
2010-02-22 12:19:17 PM
Mugato: Waiting for that little meme. Whether you were joking or not, some people are serious when they say that.

Argh, you did not quote the disclaimer!!!

One of US! One of Us! One of US!

/if you like this post, please send your e-mail to CoS, I get 27 cents per referral!

xenu­ro­cks­a­nd­tomcr­ui­s­ero­lls[nospam-﹫-backwards]esac­te­so­l­c*c­o­m
 
2010-02-22 12:26:19 PM
Thereby immediately discrediting Steve Weinberg (the 'I can certainly use the money these days' guy), Russell Carollo, and Christopher Szechenyi.

Seriously, guys with their credentials should know better.
 
2010-02-22 12:27:06 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric: Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

Yeah, I just got my bill in the mail from the Methodist Church. $300,000 for the Book of Revelations. If I don't pay up, I may disappear.

It's the exact same thing.
 
2010-02-22 12:32:17 PM
When you can't beat the message, attack the messenger.

And the worst part is that people will probably swallow their manipulations hook, line, and sinker.
 
2010-02-22 12:36:08 PM
Barakku: dogdaze: It's the high level defectors (new window) that are really screwing CoS's case, not the St Pete Times. The Times is just reporting on a great story, in other words, doing their job. Silly CoS.

It's the fact that they HAVE high ranking defectors that screws their case. Real religions do not charge you money to "level up" and gain top secret church knowledge.
/Level up today and get a FREE +1 Xenu Saber!


Thats only because 'real' religions have already gone through their growth out of cult phases.

It wouldn't shock me if you start to see various forks of Scientology much in the same vein as the Church of Christ forked in the various subsets you see today.
 
2010-02-22 12:36:24 PM
Gosling: Thereby immediately discrediting Steve Weinberg (the 'I can certainly use the money these days' guy), Russell Carollo, and Christopher Szechenyi.

Seriously, guys with their credentials should know better.


Not that the CoS followers and their handlers will mind (new window)...

"I'd like to start a religion. That's where the money is."

- L. Ron Hubbard to Lloyd Eshbach, in 1949; quoted by Eshbach in OVER MY SHOULDER: REFLECTIONS ON A SCIENCE FICTION ERA, Donald M. Grant Publisher. 1983

"Scientology is the only specific (cure) for radiation (atomic bomb) burns."

- L. Ron Hubbard, ALL ABOUT RADIATION, p. 109

---

"MAKE MONEY. MAKE MORE MONEY. MAKE OTHER PEOPLE PRODUCE SO AS TO MAKE MORE MONEY."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Policy Letter, 9 March 1972, MS OEC 384
 
2010-02-22 12:36:45 PM
BUYANETICS!

1.4 trillion dead space aliens can't be wrong.
 
2010-02-22 12:38:13 PM
IdBeCrazyIf: It wouldn't shock me if you start to see various forks of Scientology much in the same vein as the Church of Christ forked in the various subsets you see today.

I'd like to see one try, just to see how fast the CoS sues them back to the dark ages of Xenu. Or whatever.
 
2010-02-22 12:38:21 PM
I'm sure they wish that the St. Pete Times would stick to looking for chads.
 
2010-02-22 12:39:07 PM
media3.washingtonpost.com

Look, Ma! I am the news!"
 
2010-02-22 12:43:34 PM
Scientology is explicitly a sham and totally evil. Having a boat doesn't change that. Having a town doesn't change that.
 
2010-02-22 12:47:18 PM
Tali: Mugato: The Clearwater Gazette should be doing this work not the St. Pete Times. Clearwater is where the Scientology HQ is. I guess the Church already has the Gazette in their pocket.

CoS has pretty much all of Clearwater in their pocket. Even the "independent" businesses in downtown CW are almost all Scientologist-owned. My husband worked for a little software company in downtown CW, and got "laid off" when he refused to bring Hubbard books home and make the family read them.


You know, just from that thumbnail, my Sue-y sense (kinda like spidey-sense for lawyers) is tingling because that sounds an awful lot like an actionable case of religious discrimination. And the fun part is you get to sue the employer not the notroiously scary-to-oppose COS
 
2010-02-22 12:47:59 PM
Hubbard always told his minions to attack, never defend.

And Tommy Davis makes me laugh and laugh at his attempts.
 
2010-02-22 12:49:42 PM
CoS has yet to realize their strategy makes everyone hate them but the few remaining Scientologists.

Have you seen the crowds around your local Dianetics recruiting school lately?

Ever?

Haha, Scientology.
 
2010-02-22 12:51:05 PM
Mugato: Inflatable Rhetoric: Religion = Superstition + $$$$$

Yeah, I just got my bill in the mail from the Methodist Church. $300,000 for the Book of Revelations. If I don't pay up, I may disappear.

It's the exact same thing.


Do you mean to imply that the methodist religion is not based on superstition? And that it doesn't collect money?
 
2010-02-22 12:54:08 PM
FTFA: Steve Weinberg, the former IRE executive, who has taught at the University of Missouri's journalism school for a quarter-century, says he was paid $5,000 to edit the study and "tried to make sure it's a good piece of journalism criticism, just like I've written a gazillion times. . . . For me it's kind of like editing a Columbia Journalism Review piece."

Yeah... I'll bet that's some great journalism criticism.
 
2010-02-22 12:56:14 PM
Magorn: Tali: Mugato: The Clearwater Gazette should be doing this work not the St. Pete Times. Clearwater is where the Scientology HQ is. I guess the Church already has the Gazette in their pocket.

CoS has pretty much all of Clearwater in their pocket. Even the "independent" businesses in downtown CW are almost all Scientologist-owned. My husband worked for a little software company in downtown CW, and got "laid off" when he refused to bring Hubbard books home and make the family read them.

You know, just from that thumbnail, my Sue-y sense (kinda like spidey-sense for lawyers) is tingling because that sounds an awful lot like an actionable case of religious discrimination. And the fun part is you get to sue the employer not the notroiously scary-to-oppose COS


The company was called Report Master. They make medical database software mostly used by chiropractors. You'll pardon me if I don't post their (or our) specific contact info thanks to Fark rules, but the website is there. Yes, it probably WAS an actionable, but it was easier to move on to another job than it was to potentially tangle with the 'sue them into bankruptcy and health problems, then sue them some more' CoS minion philosophy, especially when we have kids to worry about.

Some things are more important than braving a lifetime of harassment hoping to hit the lawsuit lottery.
 
2010-02-22 12:57:13 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric: Do you mean to imply that the methodist religion is not based on superstition? And that it doesn't collect money?

IR, I got this thread covered. I hear there are some rascals over on FaceBook that are saying that Tom Cruise is a short little closet case, why don't you head over there? We'll meet back at the "circle jerk" tonight, if you know what i mean!

Thanks for your help in derailing the thread, though.
 
2010-02-22 12:58:27 PM
IdBeCrazyIf: Barakku: dogdaze: It's the high level defectors (new window) that are really screwing CoS's case, not the St Pete Times. The Times is just reporting on a great story, in other words, doing their job. Silly CoS.

It's the fact that they HAVE high ranking defectors that screws their case. Real religions do not charge you money to "level up" and gain top secret church knowledge.
/Level up today and get a FREE +1 Xenu Saber!

Thats only because 'real' religions have already gone through their growth out of cult phases.

It wouldn't shock me if you start to see various forks of Scientology much in the same vein as the Church of Christ forked in the various subsets you see today.


That's true actually... I mean, people who are proud of being catholics today wouldn't be when Rome was the center of the universe. Paying taxes for sins is the worst scam I've ever heard.

/Religion has become less powerful the longer it's been around.
//Which is why we send nutjobs to jail for 'talking to God' nowadays.
 
2010-02-22 01:01:11 PM
Barakku: Real religions do not charge you money to "level up" and gain top secret church knowledge.

Tithing? (^)
 
2010-02-22 01:03:24 PM
As per my settlement with the church, my sole comment to this article remains, "The Church of Scientology, while perhaps offering differing opinions than my own, still kicks ass as a wicked cool religion."
 
2010-02-22 01:05:36 PM
I'm in KS. I'll trade you Fred Phelps and his church for a Scientology group. Any takers?

Maybe we can get Ferd on a God Hates Xenu diatribe, and watch them sue each other.
 
2010-02-22 01:06:04 PM
Inflatable Rhetoric: Do you mean to imply that the methodist religion is not based on superstition? And that it doesn't collect money?

The superstition thing is a judgment call but passing a collection plate around where you can voluntarily give what you can and outward charging people a set fee are different things.

Being able buy a Bible for cost, have it donated to you or read one in any hotel room or freely accessible corner church and have access to the sum of the religion's knowledge and have the knowledge dolled out to you until you're paying Cruise/Travolta money are different things.

Being able to study said "superstition" on your own and being harassed or worse if you leave the Church are different things.

Studying a religion that is 2,000 years old that you at least know wasn't created by a hack sci-fi writer in the 1940s on a drunken bar bet are different things.

You may slink away now.

/not even religious
 
2010-02-22 01:06:30 PM
Torrentius: The CoS should be investigated by the feds.

signaturebooks.com

The CoS and the Federal Government have gone many rounds since CoS was started in the early 1950's. Farkers probably shouldn't snort everything from Wiki or Xenu.net they read, the CoS likewise of course
 
2010-02-22 01:07:14 PM
EighthundredmillionthFarker: IdBeCrazyIf: It wouldn't shock me if you start to see various forks of Scientology much in the same vein as the Church of Christ forked in the various subsets you see today.

I'd like to see one try, just to see how fast the CoS sues them back to the dark ages of Xenu. Or whatever.


It's troo. That sort of thing is one major reason why the CoS has trademarked their "religious" materials... they're not a religion, they're a business, like Pizza Hut. Although,, if you try starting your own Pizza Hut, you get sued, but nobody will call your family and neighbours and tell them you are a child molester.
 
2010-02-22 01:09:08 PM
A mildly intelligent person need only to drive down Hollywood Blvd. to know that class disparity and helplessness is not only a norm of Scientology, but a fuel. It's a cult of the worst kind. Seriously. It functions up, and only up, and the only thing moving upwards is money. I have never met more helpless people with more parasitic ideology than Scientologists. F*cking helplessly disgusting. Only in Los Angeles would such a cruel, amateurish blight on society thrive. (sounds comforting, but Scientology is all over the place)

/and yes, I am quite aware of the rest of the religious BS.
 
2010-02-22 01:11:34 PM
IdBeCrazyIf: It wouldn't shock me if you start to see various forks of Scientology much in the same vein as the Church of Christ forked in the various subsets you see today.

signaturebooks.com

Aqain, That's already happened many times and been happening since the mid-1950's. You know, there is actual historical scholarly research on the CoS far better and more complete than muckraking stories in newspapers.
 
2010-02-22 01:13:10 PM
Point being, comparing the absurdity of other religions diminishes the absolute criminality of the CoS. Yes, all religions are unethical, but keep in mind that this is the one we're talking about, and the only reasons anybody talks about the other is that they are too big to bring down by just exposing them.
 
2010-02-22 01:15:59 PM
Mugato: The Clearwater Gazette should be doing this work not the St. Pete Times. Clearwater is where the Scientology HQ is. I guess the Church already has the Gazette in their pocket.

The City of Clearwater does not have its own newspaper. The Clearwater Sun closed years ago. The St. Petersburg Times is the largest newspaper of record in Pinellas County

I get the Tampa Tribune, the Times is a liberal fishwrapper, but they do stir up the Scientologists which is amusing.
 
2010-02-22 01:17:12 PM
At least the other religions don't charge you to brainwash you.
 
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