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(London Times)   An inside look at the IED disposal team of the 20th Support Command. Their motto: "Initial success or total failure"   (timesonline.co.uk) divider line 62
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2010-02-22 08:37:35 AM
I always thought the motto was "We do it right, or call me stumpy."
 
2010-02-22 08:49:01 AM
OlafTheBent: I always thought the motto was "We do it right, or call me stumpy."

We'll call her Bitsy.
 
2010-02-22 08:49:22 AM
I thought their motto was "If you see me running, try to keep up"
 
2010-02-22 09:08:26 AM
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Colonel Reed: What's the best way to... go about disarming one of these things?

Staff Sergeant James: The way you don't die, sir.

Colonel Reed: That's a good one. That's spoken like a wild man. That's good.
 
2010-02-22 09:13:21 AM
www.dr-miller.com
 
2010-02-22 09:35:05 AM
We have a flag that flew on a combat mission Iraq on board a C-130H "Compass Call" aircraft. The crew chief who brought us the flag was somewhat reluctant to give too many details about everything the platform was capable of (the link provides a lot of information) but I am led to believe that they had tested systems that sent out signals like cell phone transmissions in an attempt to set off certain types of IEDs ahead of convoys. Pretty cool stuff.
 
2010-02-22 10:13:54 AM
"If at first you don't succeed, this job may not be for you!"
 
2010-02-22 10:14:44 AM
What really sucks about Afghanistan? Nothing left worth blowing-up. We'll drop a $25,000 bomb and do $50 worth of damage.
 
2010-02-22 10:15:21 AM
We need a brass balls tag.
 
2010-02-22 10:15:45 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: We have a flag that flew on a combat mission Iraq on board a C-130H "Compass Call" aircraft. The crew chief who brought us the flag was somewhat reluctant to give too many details about everything the platform was capable of (the link provides a lot of information) but I am led to believe that they had tested systems that sent out signals like cell phone transmissions in an attempt to set off certain types of IEDs ahead of convoys. Pretty cool stuff.

At this point, there's nothing they can't do with that airframe. I'm waiting for the C-130T carrying secret transmogrification devices to turn damn near anything on the ground into fresh-cook bacon.
 
2010-02-22 10:16:00 AM
Hey LordofThePings, glad to know I'm not the only one who read it that way. IUD's are scary.

/article was fearmongering
 
2010-02-22 10:17:49 AM
Sin_City_Superhero: What really sucks about Afghanistan Danville, IL? Nothing left worth blowing-up. We'll drop a $25,000 bomb and do $50 worth of damage.

FTFY...

/I keed...
//But only about the whole "blowing up Danville" part.
 
2010-02-22 10:19:13 AM
Sin_City_Superhero: What really sucks about Afghanistan? Nothing left worth blowing-up. We'll drop a $25,000 bomb and do $50 worth of damage.

You say that like at one point there was stuff worth blowing up in Afghanistan. Don't you remember back in 2001 when people were saying that we were going to bomb Afghanistan into the stone age, thereby vastly improving the country?
 
2010-02-22 10:21:40 AM
UNC_Samurai: At this point, there's nothing they can't do with that airframe. I'm waiting for the C-130T carrying secret transmogrification devices to turn damn near anything on the ground into fresh-cook bacon.

The 317th Airlift Group is stationed out here at Dyess and they do a lot of low level training around this area. While they are not as glamorous as the Bones also based there, it is really something to see when 4 or 5 come over nose to ass and then fan out...
 
2010-02-22 10:22:18 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: We have a flag that flew on a combat mission Iraq on board a C-130H "Compass Call" aircraft. The crew chief who brought us the flag was somewhat reluctant to give too many details about everything the platform was capable of (the link provides a lot of information) but I am led to believe that they had tested systems that sent out signals like cell phone transmissions in an attempt to set off certain types of IEDs ahead of convoys. Pretty cool stuff.

I'd imagine that some of the IEDs are detonated via cell phone or other RF linkage. It's a good idea - dump a whole bunch of RF noise and see if you set one off. I'd bet (or hope) they've got it down to more of a science than that though.

UNC_Samurai: Dancin_In_Anson: We have a flag that flew on a combat mission Iraq on board a C-130H "Compass Call" aircraft. The crew chief who brought us the flag was somewhat reluctant to give too many details about everything the platform was capable of (the link provides a lot of information) but I am led to believe that they had tested systems that sent out signals like cell phone transmissions in an attempt to set off certain types of IEDs ahead of convoys. Pretty cool stuff.

At this point, there's nothing they can't do with that airframe. I'm waiting for the C-130T carrying secret transmogrification devices to turn damn near anything on the ground into fresh-cook bacon.


Hey, that's top secret buddy! Operation Bacon Bacon Everywhere must go off without a hitch!
 
2010-02-22 10:24:51 AM
aspAddict: //But only about the whole "blowing up Danville" part.

I'm not. Danville IL is a craphole.
 
2010-02-22 10:25:13 AM
UNC_Samurai: Dancin_In_Anson:
At this point, there's nothing they can't do with that airframe. I'm waiting for the C-130T carrying secret transmogrification devices to turn damn near anything on the ground into fresh-cook bacon.


I think I'm too old to enlist, but I'd damn sure lie about my age to help the world be covered in bacon.
 
2010-02-22 10:27:51 AM
Kelvin-Helmholtz: I'd imagine that some of the IEDs are detonated via cell phone or other RF linkage. It's a good idea - dump a whole bunch of RF noise and see if you set one off. I'd bet (or hope) they've got it down to more of a science than that though.

Like I said, R was a little tight lipped about exactly what they did, but it does make sense seeing how much electronics gear is packed in to the airframe.
 
2010-02-22 10:31:07 AM
NicoFinn: We need a brass balls tag.

True.

/Had soccer coaches as a kid who were in an EOD company
//Their motto? "We take a lickin' if it stops tickin'"
 
2010-02-22 10:32:02 AM
aspAddict: Sin_City_Superhero: What really sucks about Afghanistan Danville, IL? Nothing left worth blowing-up. We'll drop a $25,000 bomb and do $50 worth of damage.

FTFY...

/I keed...
//But only about the whole "blowing up Danville" part.


Having lived in Danville for nearly two years, I'm going to have to disagree with that statement. There's at LEAST $25,000 worth of meth in Danville.

Danville threadjack: remember how the Woods sold out the one high-tech company in town to a holding group that promptly outsourced 70% of production and cut half the office. That was cool.
/not really
//except for the excuse it gave me to move
 
2010-02-22 10:32:43 AM
fireclown: aspAddict: //But only about the whole "blowing up Danville" part.

I'm not. Danville IL is a craphole.


Ughhh...I've got an ex-wife from about there, really Jamaica, IL, lived in the area for a few years. I feel your pain.
 
2010-02-22 10:38:53 AM
Do you destroy the IUD before or after you remove it?
 
2010-02-22 10:40:16 AM
FTA:

The Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organisation (Jieddo) now has more than 3,000 staff and funds of $4 billion a year.

So it takes about 22% of NASA to deal with IEDs? I'd bet a paycheck that some congress-critter's college buddy is getting rich off this shiat.
 
2010-02-22 10:43:55 AM
Cut the red wire!
 
2010-02-22 10:46:58 AM
Lanny Budd: Cut the red wire!

I thought it was always the blue wire?
 
2010-02-22 10:47:38 AM
Dancin_In_Anson: UNC_Samurai: At this point, there's nothing they can't do with that airframe. I'm waiting for the C-130T carrying secret transmogrification devices to turn damn near anything on the ground into fresh-cook bacon.

The 317th Airlift Group is stationed out here at Dyess and they do a lot of low level training around this area. While they are not as glamorous as the Bones also based there, it is really something to see when 4 or 5 come over nose to ass and then fan out...


Every year around June we have modified C-130 tankers that spray mosquito killer all over our town. They tell you to stay indoors when they're spraying, but how can you not try to get pics of those monsters screaming over your house at 100ft?

hphotos-snc1.fbcdn.net
 
2010-02-22 10:49:19 AM
FilmBELOH20: They tell you to stay indoors when they're spraying, but how can you not try to get pics of those monsters screaming over your house at 100ft?

How close are you to the base?
 
2010-02-22 10:50:51 AM
FilmBELOH20: Every year around June we have modified C-130 tankers that spray mosquito killer all over our town. They tell you to stay indoors when they're spraying, but how can you not try to get pics of those monsters screaming over your house at 100ft?

The military is spraying stuff, and you want to be out in it. Enjoy your mind-control nanovirus.
 
2010-02-22 10:51:16 AM
Kyro: Colonel Reed: What's the best way to... go about disarming one of these things?

Staff Sergeant James: The way you don't die, sir.

Colonel Reed: That's a good one. That's spoken like a wild man. That's good.


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Haven't I told you about death? It's nature's way of saying you're in the wrong job.

/Richard Harris FTW
 
2010-02-22 10:51:49 AM
I don't understand why they're still bothering checking out potential IED's. When in doubt, just farking blow it up.

www.radnerd.com
 
2010-02-22 11:04:48 AM
I miss those 70's TV shows where the drenched in sweat detectives ask each other the fatefull question:

"Ok, which wire - the green one or the blue one???"

"The blue one...nooo nooo wait! The green one... cut the green one!!!"

(((snip))) "Ahhhhhh..." *sigh of relief*.

That may have been from Ten Speed And Brown Shoe. I forget, I was prolly 7 years old.
 
2010-02-22 11:05:11 AM
LordOfThePings has posted a picture of my roach clip collection.
 
2010-02-22 11:07:47 AM
zilbel1038: I thought it was always the blue wire?

Or, you just remove the blasting cap.
 
2010-02-22 11:08:31 AM
rdu_voyager: FTA:

The Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organisation (Jieddo) now has more than 3,000 staff and funds of $4 billion a year.

So it takes about 22% of NASA to deal with IEDs? I'd bet a paycheck that some congress-critter's college buddy is getting rich off this shiat.


That's why they needed to come up with the ridiculous term "improvised explosive device." Nobody would pay $4 billion for a "bomb defeat organization." Plus, when you throw in the "J" word, that gets you another billion, because if you ain't Joint, you ain't shiat.
 
2010-02-22 11:09:16 AM
Nightjars: Do you destroy the IUD before or after you remove it?

The day after.
 
2010-02-22 11:10:00 AM
My company works on a number of counter IED programs. I myself, worked on one.. I like to think I'm helping.

Watching demos of our "machine" driving down the road, firing off signals.. and seeing remote bombs detonate long before anyone is within harms way = awesome.
Especially when you see a shack blow up "oh, guess he was a bomb maker"
 
2010-02-22 11:11:17 AM
I worked with a guy that had a hand grenade go off ten feet away after his copper was shot down. he was not hurt by the sharp metal because of the quality body armor. But the impact scrambled his brain a little, no short term memory.

He is a man. he told me he is working on getting back to help his buddies. These guys are tough as nails and I am glad they are on my side. It is to bad they have to go and fight over there.
 
2010-02-22 11:15:15 AM
A buddy of mine just reupped because he felt bad about his friends facing this kind of thing and the worst he is facing is the damage we take playing Aion.

/really wish he hadn't reupped
 
2010-02-22 11:17:33 AM
GonzoNihilist: I don't understand why they're still bothering checking out potential IED's. When in doubt, just farking blow it up.

They'd run out of ammo really quick, then.

/would admire the ingenuity of Taliban engineers if only they were using it for just about anything else
 
2010-02-22 11:18:28 AM
EdNortonsTwin: "Ok, which wire - the green one or the blue one???"

"The blue one...nooo nooo wait! The green one... cut the green one!!!"

(((snip))) "Ahhhhhh..." *sigh of relief*.


My brother and I always wondered why the bomb makers didn't just make all the wires the same color.
 
2010-02-22 11:18:47 AM
Dr.Knockboots: My company works on a number of counter IED programs. I myself, worked on one.. I like to think I'm helping.

Watching demos of our "machine" driving down the road, firing off signals.. and seeing remote bombs detonate long before anyone is within harms way = awesome.
Especially when you see a shack blow up "oh, guess he was a bomb maker"


From the telco engineer point of view, I wonder how such remote signals work? Presumably the sender device pretends to be a base tower providing connectivity, and listens as phones connect to it because it thinks it's found the nearest "tower". I can't remember if phones tell the tower their number upon connection (I think no?), if so the fake tower can then easily tell the phone, "oh, someone's calling you.". The phone activates its ring circuit, including the wire connected to the vibrator motor and the small electrical charge travelling down that wire... explodes the bomb.

If it really works that way, then everyone's phone in the area would ring... a hack against that would be to set the phone to only vibrate if a particular number rings it.
 
2010-02-22 11:26:48 AM
Sin_City_Superhero: What really sucks about Afghanistan? Nothing left worth blowing-up. We'll drop a $25,000 bomb and do $50 worth of damage.

What was the going rate for brown people these days?
 
2010-02-22 11:28:51 AM
GonzoNihilist: I don't understand why they're still bothering checking out potential IED's. When in doubt, just farking blow it up.

FINDING the IED is 90% of the battle. In most cases, it's the bomb you didn't detect that kills you. If you've found one without setting it off, might as well disarm it.

Second, I think most people imagine "cute" little pipe bombs made by stupid amateurs, on the level of the Columbine kids trying to blow up their school with a gas tank. If only. In some cases, they're burying multiple cannon rounds in an effort to take out tanks from underneath. Explosions on that scale can easily make roads impassable. Now imagine you're on patrol and the blowing up of an IED forces you to re-route. You'll be thinking "ambush ambush ambush" and shiatting a brick a second until you're back safely. I think they'd much rather see the bomb defused so they can stay on the original planned route.

Kelvin-Helmholtz: I'd imagine that some of the IEDs are detonated via cell phone or other RF linkage. It's a good idea - dump a whole bunch of RF noise and see if you set one off. I'd bet (or hope) they've got it down to more of a science than that though.

I'd imagine it works more like a jammer, preventing most bombs from being set off by a specific signal. If an IED is set up to go off from interference to prevent such a countermeasure, it's just that the vehicle emits SO much noise that it sets them off from a safe range. It would also prevent any ambushes from being coordinated using cell phones.
 
2010-02-22 11:35:52 AM
lostsoulfound: I worked with a guy that had a hand grenade go off ten feet away after his copper was shot down. he was not hurt by the sharp metal because of the quality body armor. But the impact scrambled his brain a little, no short term memory.

He is a man. he told me he is working on getting back to help his buddies. These guys are tough as nails and I am glad they are on my side. It is to bad they have to go and fight over there.


I'm curios, if he has no short term memory... A.) How does he remember what happened to him? B.) How does he remember that he wants to go back and help? C.) If he got exposed to radiation would he turn into the Incredible Hulk, because being near an explosion turned him into the guy from the movie Momento?
 
2010-02-22 11:40:11 AM
Going back to Subby's headline... I have to say for the most catchy motto for a U.S. military group is the U.S. Disciplinary Barracks (the ones who run the military prison at Leavenworth):

"Our Mission, Your Future"
 
2010-02-22 11:40:43 AM
blazemongr: My brother and I always wondered why the bomb makers didn't just make all the wires the same color.

I'd imagine in some cases they do, but that makes setting it up more confusing, and even terrorists prefer to NOT get blown up in the process of MAKING the bomb.

In a similar conversation, a combat engineer told me it makes more sense to just embed the wires in the C4 itself. Of course, then the defusing process becomes more involved than the scope of a hyperbolic TV show.
 
2010-02-22 11:45:51 AM
squirrelflavoredyogurt: I'm curios, if he has no short term memory... A.) How does he remember what happened to him?

Tattoos and Polaroid pictures with notes scribbled on them.
 
2010-02-22 11:58:29 AM
aspAddict: Sin_City_Superhero: What really sucks about Afghanistan Danville, IL? Nothing left worth blowing-up. We'll drop a $25,000 bomb and do $50 worth of damage.

FTFY...

/I keed...
//But only about the whole "blowing up Danville" part.


Champaign townie here, I feels ya. lol Not much in D-Vegas I'm interested in saving except for Gross Burgers. Mmmmmm, garlic salt on fries.
 
2010-02-22 12:11:15 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: rdu_voyager: FTA:

The Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organisation (Jieddo) now has more than 3,000 staff and funds of $4 billion a year.

So it takes about 22% of NASA to deal with IEDs? I'd bet a paycheck that some congress-critter's college buddy is getting rich off this shiat.

That's why they needed to come up with the ridiculous term "improvised explosive device." Nobody would pay $4 billion for a "bomb defeat organization." Plus, when you throw in the "J" word, that gets you another billion, because if you ain't Joint, you ain't shiat.


EOD has always pretty much been joint. Only one school for all branches.
 
2010-02-22 12:24:55 PM
Kyro: Colonel Reed Tritter: What's the best way to... go about disarming one of these things?

Staff Sergeant James: The way you don't die, sir.

Colonel Reed Tritter: That's a good one. That's spoken like a wild man. That's good.



What was Tritter doing wearing that military getup. And where was House during all this.
 
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