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(Guardian)   Doctors confident of finding a cure for childhood peanut allergy. The cure is tentatively described as grabbing overprotective parents by the shoulders, shaking them, and telling them to quit being wusses   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 244
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2010-02-21 03:50:26 PM
Sun Worshiping Dog Launcher: Fark Me To Tears: dahmers love zombie:
What, you didn't know that dahmer's love zombie is actually the United States Surgeon General? He's figured all this pesky medical stuff out a long time ago. In fact, not only has he determined what causes peanut allergies, he is also immortal.

Same goes for Any Bonehead who apparently has been able to determine that all kids that have peanut allergies also have Coke-bottle glasses, pocket protectors, helicopter mommies and whatever else ignorant shiat he's cooked up to justify unfounded and somewhat ridiculous world-outlook.

I personally have never known someone with peanut allergies and have no idea what causes it. That is probably because I write software and am not a medically trained professional. I am also the Queen of England, if anyone has any questions regarding monarchies.


Lighten up, dude...You'll be lucky if your geeky self finds a chick willing to fark w/ a spaz like you to make a highly allergic baby...
 
2010-02-21 03:50:56 PM
AbbeySomeone: hadji: Subby is an ass. Both my wife and I have seen the effects of severe allergies. It has nothing to do with overprotective parents. Breastfeeding has been shown to be effective in resisting allergies but my niece was born with an allergy to milk so was not able to breast feed. The parents didn't have a chance to be overprotective before she had her first allergy, then they had to be because exposure to nuts would kill her.
Also had a colleague who was in her fifties, grew up in rural US among the dirt, blah, blah, blah. I opened a bag a popcorn near her and she practically passed out because she had an allergic reaction.
Friends of mine can't eat gluten--not because of an allergy but because of a disease Link (new window)
I'm not saying we don't oversanitize but nobody (including the well educated subby) knows why allergies have risen.
I will also point out that the peanut allergies seem to be more prevalent in the wealthier school districts than in the poorer ones.

Methinks submitroll is getting a kick out of these replies.

I recently developed many weird health issues, a severe gluten problem amongst them. It turns out my old amalgam fillings were leaking. Since removal, many of the issues are subsiding. Everyone I know with a gluten/wheat allergy has, or has had mercury based fillings. Coincidence?


I have celiac and I haven't had any filling ever in life.
 
2010-02-21 03:51:07 PM
dahmers love zombie: Y'know, here's the deal. I'm 44. I went through my childhood in the late 60s and 70s. Went to a lot of schools as my dad was transferred around by his company. Every single day from kindergarten to 9th grade, I took a peanut butter and apple jelly sandwich to school for lunch. But this isn't about being OCD. It's about the fact that, through 13 grades, around 10 schools, thousands of kids, I never, not once, saw a kid blow up with a peanut reaction. Never had a single friend die. Never had a single classmate die. Never had a single classmate have to go running to the nurse's office with nasal polyps and a constricting trachea. No ambulances save for the rare broken bone from playing Smear the Queer at recess.

Peanut allergies were basically nonexistent. Until parents began sticking their kids in bubbles, taking them off the teat at the first opportunity (or not breastfeeding at all), sanitizing every single thing they touched, running for antibiotics at the barest sniffle, not letting them outside for fear of perverts, not letting them get dirty for fear of Bog knows what. Peanut allergies (and, for the most part, wheat, tree nut, corn, gluten, blah blah blah) are caused by our society's paranoias.

Parents, take a good hard look at yourselves. Your kids are the harvest of what you've sown.

/two kids
//wife breastfed the first one for 2.5 years, second one for 6 months (he weaned himself)
///no paranoia about dirt
////immunized for everything
//not allergic to anything


The (likely, not too much research on this) problem with antibiotics (in terms of food allergies) isn't that they destroy the "bad" bacteria without the immune system fighting it off, it's that they wreck havoc on "good" intestinal bacteria. This reduces the health of the gut and makes it more susceptible to damage. Such damage can make the gut more permeable to larger proteins and thus more likely that something (peanut proteins) will make its way into the bloodstream undigested. If that happens an allergic response can form.
 
2010-02-21 03:51:41 PM
hadji

Subby is an ass. Both my wife and I have seen the effects of severe allergies. It has nothing to do with overprotective parents. .... I'm not saying we don't oversanitize but nobody (including the well educated subby) knows why allergies have risen.

If nobody knows why allergies have risen, how do you know overprotective parents have nothing to do with it? We know its not a necessary condition, but how do you know it's not a risk factor?
 
2010-02-21 03:52:07 PM
eddie van heinous: The peanut hysteria in our schools is completely out of control. I just got into a heated debate with my son's kindergarten teacher about that the other day...

Wow. Is it possible to come out of an argument like that without looking like a douche?
 
2010-02-21 03:52:28 PM
antoniojvr: DrRatchet: BTW in the area of "young children not dying", we (the US) lag behind the Civilized World and Canada:



Must be all that socialized medicine/socialized medical insurance they have in civilized countries.

/yes, I know, not all died of peanuts. Some died due to lack of vaccination and emulating WWE performances.

Umm... Could it be population numbers? Nahhhhh can't be that!

Populations (2010 estimates):
United States: 308,725,000
United Kingdom: 62,041,708
Canada: 34,009,000
Australia: 22,160,872
France: 65,447,374
Japan: 127,470,000

/Also the reason Public Option won't work here, though it has worked in other countries. Too many people!


Have you been retarded your whole life, or were you in some kind of debilitating accident?
 
2010-02-21 03:52:36 PM
I really hope this works; I had severe childhood allergies to milk, bread, and egg products, the symptoms of which went undiagnosed until I was 4. Freaking 4 years old. My parents knew something was wrong, but the doctors just said I was retarded or had some immune deficiency because I was effectively deaf for the first couple years of my life. As an adult I had to deal with over-protective parents at a summer camp I worked at who would just as soon demand my resignation as a counselor (ignoring my 5+ years working at that camp and basically raising their children) if I let little Suzy more than 5 feet beyond her Epi-pen.

The hysteria surrounding peanut butter allergies is so bad that my camp banned them entirely, and the kids get a lecture at the beginning of camp about how peanuts aren't allowed in any shape or form at the camp. The result? The one time a child accidentally brought a freaking Butterfinger to camp (because her mom didn't check the Lunchable) the poor thing almost had a complete breakdown because she was convinced she was going to kill someone.

/plans on breastfeeding her hypothetical kids
//also plans on raising them on a farm or as close to one as she can get
///will raise another generation of "getofmylawners"
 
2010-02-21 03:53:15 PM
BrynnMacFlynn: getoffmylawners

>.>
 
2010-02-21 03:53:59 PM
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: dahmers love zombie:
/two kids
//wife breastfed the first one for 2.5 years, second one for 6 months (he weaned himself)
///no paranoia about dirt
////immunized for everything
//not allergic to anything

2.5 years? Thats farking creepy


I was in a parent-teacher conference with a mom who brought her four-year-old to the meeting. I SWEAR she slipped out her teat from under her shirt and nursed the four-year-old.

The conference to discuss her older child, as you can imagine, went nowhere.
 
2010-02-21 03:54:06 PM
AbbeySomeone: hadji: Subby is an ass. Both my wife and I have seen the effects of severe allergies. It has nothing to do with overprotective parents. Breastfeeding has been shown to be effective in resisting allergies but my niece was born with an allergy to milk so was not able to breast feed. The parents didn't have a chance to be overprotective before she had her first allergy, then they had to be because exposure to nuts would kill her.
Also had a colleague who was in her fifties, grew up in rural US among the dirt, blah, blah, blah. I opened a bag a popcorn near her and she practically passed out because she had an allergic reaction.
Friends of mine can't eat gluten--not because of an allergy but because of a disease Link (new window)
I'm not saying we don't oversanitize but nobody (including the well educated subby) knows why allergies have risen.
I will also point out that the peanut allergies seem to be more prevalent in the wealthier school districts than in the poorer ones.

Methinks submitroll is getting a kick out of these replies.

I recently developed many weird health issues, a severe gluten problem amongst them. It turns out my old amalgam fillings were leaking. Since removal, many of the issues are subsiding. Everyone I know with a gluten/wheat allergy has, or has had mercury based fillings. Coincidence?


Very likely coincidence. Very likely.
 
2010-02-21 03:55:43 PM
Gwendolyn: I breastfed all three because it required the least amount of effort at night. I could freaking sleep in bed while they ate and then I'd wake up enough to roll over and give them the other side. I barely woke up at all. It was great.

One of my clients just had a baby, and his wife decided to breastfeed. Except rather than her getting up with the kid, they both got up. She pumped and he fed the child out of a bottle.

\He's not too smart, but his checks clear
 
2010-02-21 03:56:10 PM
Unhip1: It's odd that the headline and first few comments are basically aþþacks against an "over-protective society", whereas the topic is "How to cure children with severe peanut allergies."

Cognative dissonance,people?


It's not much fun arguing about that.
 
2010-02-21 03:56:13 PM
hetheeme: DrRatchet: BTW in the area of "young children not dying", we (the US) lag behind the Civilized World and Canada:

Must be all that socialized medicine/socialized medical insurance they have in civilized countries.

/yes, I know, not all died of peanuts. Some died due to lack of vaccination and emulating WWE performances.

Or the staggeringly high abortion rates. The infants don't die because they are euthanized in nations with that great universal health care for those worthy to be born.

Canada is now talking about mandatory infanticide if the kid turns out to have disabilities, you know, to improve quality of life.

///you can keep government as far away as possible from making those decisions, thank you.


About that: (new window)
Yet, while it may seem paradoxical, a country's abortion rate is not closely correlated with whether abortion is legal there. For example, abortion levels are quite high in Latin American countries, where abortion is highly restricted. (In fact, 20 million of the 46 million abortions performed annually worldwide occur in countries with highly restrictive abortion laws.) At the same time, abortion rates are quite low throughout Western Europe, where the procedure is legal and widely available. Also, Eastern and Western Europe have the world's highest and lowest abortion rates, respectively, yet abortion is generally legal throughout the Continent.

As for infant euthanasia in Canada, that needs a citation. Google gave me nothing but a Fox News article concerning a court case about a baby with Terry Schiavo Syndrome--nothing about pending legislation or birth defects.
 
2010-02-21 03:57:00 PM
I have aids.
 
2010-02-21 03:57:16 PM
GungFu: I once ate a peanut and died, so I'm getting a kick enlarged thyroid gland out of these replies....

That reminds me of a song we used to sing at camp years ago.
Something about Found a peanut, cracked it open riiight now. Anyone?
 
2010-02-21 03:57:24 PM
BrynnMacFlynn: /plans on breastfeeding her hypothetical kids
//also plans on raising them on a farm or as close to one as she can get


My wife didn't breastfeed and we don't live on a farm, but my kids get outside as much as possible and don't have peanut allergies.

Just don't be a lazy farkwit and your kids will turn out alright.
 
2010-02-21 03:59:26 PM
antoniojvr: DrRatchet: BTW in the area of "young children not dying", we (the US) lag behind the Civilized World and Canada:



Must be all that socialized medicine/socialized medical insurance they have in civilized countries.

/yes, I know, not all died of peanuts. Some died due to lack of vaccination and emulating WWE performances.

Umm... Could it be population numbers? Nahhhhh can't be that!

Populations (2010 estimates):
United States: 308,725,000
United Kingdom: 62,041,708
Canada: 34,009,000
Australia: 22,160,872
France: 65,447,374
Japan: 127,470,000

/Also the reason Public Option won't work here, though it has worked in other countries. Too many people!


You may need to brush up on the concept of ratios, I believe.

It's odd what the immune system can really handle. I've done three of the most likely rotations to get a med student ill- Pediatrics, OB/GYN, Internal Medicine. I wash my hands before and after seeing each patient, but that's it. No more than a cold.

One of my colleagues may as well drink the Purell, from the rate she uses it, and she always has a cold. Same environment, smae large patient population. Things bounce off of me, and she gets sick constantly.
 
2010-02-21 04:00:05 PM
...Or my idea to cart them of to Peru and have them fend for themselves...That'll toughen the kid up.
 
2010-02-21 04:01:06 PM
dahmers love zombie: Peanut allergies were basically nonexistent.

If you don't know what you're talking about, please, take a seat and STFU.

Peanut allergies most certainly are real in the same way that gluten allergies are real. Give a kid with a peanut allergy a peanut butter sandwich and they'll go red, or worse. Then you take them to a doctor and get an allergy test done to check it.

This isn't oversensitivity or new age nonsense. It's medically recognised, has an allergy test and so forth.

I don't buy the 4% figure, though. Based on the school I know, it's more like 1%.
 
2010-02-21 04:04:01 PM
My wife used to (before I met her) work in a peanut factory for a while. After a few months working there she became allergic to peanuts and had to quit (not deathly allergic), a few years later she was able to eat peanuts again. Totally the opposite of these pansies, but I thought it was interesting...
 
2010-02-21 04:04:21 PM
SilentStrider: TO be fair though, it is possible to develop the allergy later in life. A neighbor of mine grew up loving Peanut Butter, but developed the allergy... I want to say as an adult. Its not a life threatening allergy, but it is serious enough she can no longer have peanuts.

So its not all over-reactive hysteria, there are people who genuinely suffer through no fault of their own or how they were raised.


Oh certainly. I wasn't trying to say that ALL allergies are like that, but some certianly appear to be like that
 
2010-02-21 04:04:38 PM
TurboCojones: What an acutal anaphyactic reaction may look like.

/ hot, like wasabi nuts


Intubated AND an OPA? How wonderfully redundant!

/kidding
 
2010-02-21 04:05:31 PM
Nut allergies: a yuppie invention (new window)

"Your kid doesn't have an allergy to nuts. Your kid has a parent who needs to feel special. Your kid also spends recess running and screaming, "No! Stop! Don't rub my head with peanut butter!"

Yes, a tiny number of kids have severe peanut allergies that cause anaphylactic shock, and all their teachers should be warned, handed EpiPens and given a really expensive gift at Christmas. But unless you're a character on "Heroes," genes don't mutate fast enough to have caused an 18% increase in childhood food allergies between 1997 and 2007. And genes certainly don't cause 25% of parents to believe that their kids have food allergies, when 4% do. Yuppiedom does...."

Word.

/Carry my own teeny bags of peanuts onto airplanes
 
2010-02-21 04:05:53 PM
hetheeme: DrRatchet: BTW in the area of "young children not dying", we (the US) lag behind the Civilized World and Canada:



Must be all that socialized medicine/socialized medical insurance they have in civilized countries.

/yes, I know, not all died of peanuts. Some died due to lack of vaccination and emulating WWE performances.

Or the staggeringly high abortion rates. The infants don't die because they are euthanized in nations with that great universal health care for those worthy to be born.

Canada is now talking about mandatory infanticide if the kid turns out to have disabilities, you know, to improve quality of life.


///you can keep government as far away as possible from making those decisions, thank you.


Citation needed.
 
2010-02-21 04:06:03 PM
The Icelander: BrynnMacFlynn: /plans on breastfeeding her hypothetical kids
//also plans on raising them on a farm or as close to one as she can get

My wife didn't breastfeed and we don't live on a farm, but my kids get outside as much as possible and don't have peanut allergies.

Just don't be a lazy farkwit and your kids will turn out alright.


Breastfeeding does appear to help. There are growth factors in breast milk that give infants a unique intestinal flora (it goes away and becomes more like adults in both non-breast fed infants and when they are weened). Another factor in the "gut tract" hypothesis is delivery of the baby. Anyone who has witnessed a non c-section birth will note that they are fairly messy and that the baby pretty much ends up being inoculated with some bacteria from the mother.
 
2010-02-21 04:07:33 PM
AbbeySomeone: I recently developed many weird health issues, a severe gluten problem amongst them. It turns out my old amalgam fillings were leaking. Since removal, many of the issues are subsiding. Everyone I know with a gluten/wheat allergy has, or has had mercury based fillings. Coincidence?

Damn right it's a coincidence. My wife doesn't have any fillings.
 
2010-02-21 04:08:01 PM
The whole "allergies are caused by overprotective parents" thing comes from the same intellectual cesspit as "vaccines cause autism" idea. It has no basis in fact, but is parroted by mundanes as truth.
 
2010-02-21 04:08:14 PM
asshats: your allergies are all psychological!!1! you are all snowflakes. Your parents need educating. Derp.

*ahem*

FARK YOU.

/asthmatic
//dog, cat, pollen, dust allergies
///breastfed, didn't live in a hygiene bubble, allowed to eat dirt as a kid.
 
2010-02-21 04:08:52 PM
MindStalker: My wife used to (before I met her) work in a peanut factory for a while. After a few months working there she became allergic to peanuts and had to quit (not deathly allergic), a few years later she was able to eat peanuts again. Totally the opposite of these pansies, but I thought it was interesting...

Maybe she was just sick of the job and those peanuts became a manifestation of everything she hated about it...
 
2010-02-21 04:09:21 PM
nmathew01: AbbeySomeone: I recently developed many weird health issues, a severe gluten problem amongst them. It turns out my old amalgam fillings were leaking. Since removal, many of the issues are subsiding. Everyone I know with a gluten/wheat allergy has, or has had mercury based fillings. Coincidence?

Damn right it's a coincidence. My wife doesn't have any fillings.


It's not a coincidence! The chlorine in my salt is making me sick. I smell like bleach from all of the salt I ingest.
 
2010-02-21 04:11:40 PM
Churchy LaFemme: Wow. Is it possible to come out of an argument like that without looking like a douche?

Yeah it really is. See, I have this crazy idea, that if one or two children in an entire school might have a panut allergy, instead of preventing every other single child there from bringing a PB&J sandwich in, just make sure the one child knows they can't eat that.

Or, we can continue to feed mass hysteria. Hell, why stop there. Cars kill children more than peanuts do, lets ban those.
 
2010-02-21 04:12:27 PM
Yes, tardmitter, shaking those helicopter parents will really help the child with the rapidly closing airways. Also, someone should slap the cock out of your mouth. I know it might be at odds with your smugly superior overview, but not everyone with an allergy is a missive attention whore. Some people carry an epipen around with them at all times so they don't almost die every time they pass someone eating a PB&J (yes I have a friend who is that sensitive). It might be nice if those people had a treatment that made them a little safer. I'm sorry if that would interfere with your social critique.

/blah blah 'Welcome to Fark' sandy vagina whatever
 
2010-02-21 04:12:47 PM
Cornelius Dribble: As for infant euthanasia in Canada, that needs a citation. Google gave me nothing but a Fox News article concerning a court case about a baby with Terry Schiavo Syndrome--nothing about pending legislation or birth defects.

You didn't get that newsletter from a crazy uncle? Sounds like your relatives have been slacking.
 
2010-02-21 04:13:19 PM
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: 2.5 years? Thats farking creepy

No, this is creepy:

I want bitty (new, nonRickRollin' window)
 
2010-02-21 04:13:33 PM
nmathew01: AbbeySomeone: I recently developed many weird health issues, a severe gluten problem amongst them. It turns out my old amalgam fillings were leaking. Since removal, many of the issues are subsiding. Everyone I know with a gluten/wheat allergy has, or has had mercury based fillings. Coincidence?

Damn right it's a coincidence. My wife doesn't have any fillings.


There are a lot of personal anecdotes that people believe are scientific facts in here.
 
2010-02-21 04:14:24 PM
antoniojvr: Also the reason Public Option won't work here, though it has worked in other countries. Too many people!

You're joking, yes?
 
2010-02-21 04:15:20 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: 2.5 years? Thats farking creepy

No, this is creepy:

I want bitty (new, nonRickRollin' window)


I don't have to click to know what that is. And yes, that is super creepy.
 
2010-02-21 04:17:10 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: Nut allergies: a yuppie invention (new window)

Was just about to link that, thank you.
 
2010-02-21 04:18:07 PM
hitchking: It might be worth noting that currently no one knows why allergies have become dramatically more prevalent in such a short period of time.

Maybe the hygiene hypothesis is correct, but maybe not. Just a thought, before you go spoon-feeding human feces to your children.


I think it's because it used to be that kids with such profound allergies were allowed to just die. If we keep preventing Darwin from doing his job of course bad things are going to happen.
 
2010-02-21 04:18:14 PM
Never underestimate the power of a peanut allergy thread to bring out the nuts.
 
2010-02-21 04:18:36 PM
This is creepier (and more NSFWish):

I want bitty, part II (new window)
 
2010-02-21 04:19:22 PM
basemetal: hitchking: It might be worth noting that currently no one knows why allergies have become dramatically more prevalent in such a short period of time.

Maybe the hygiene hypothesis is correct, but maybe not. Just a thought, before you go spoon-feeding human feces to your children.

Because modern medicine has allowed runts to live and grow up and breed with other runts and have little runt children.


Oh. I guess my last post is redundant.
 
2010-02-21 04:19:50 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: This is creepier (and more NSFWish):

I want bitty, part II (new window)


The video of the 8 year old that is on the side is the creepiest.
 
2010-02-21 04:19:54 PM
I teach high school physics. There is one student that I have that has so many severe allergies that it is ridiculous. From our school nurse: "LIFE THREATENING ALLERGIES TO PEANUTS, TREE NUTS, DAIRY, EGGS. NO FOOD IN CLASSROOM! If student feels she has been exposed, send her to the nurse's office immediately with an escort. She also carries an EPI-PEN in her waist pack which she may self administer in case of exposure." Her TWIN BROTHER is absolutely allergy free. Deal with that one.

To give you an idea of how serious her allergies are, once on a field trip, another student on the bus, several rows away from her began eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Her airway closed, the EpiPen was used to save her life, and all of the food on the bus was thrown out the window as it rolled down the highway at 60 mph. I can't imagine what the other cars around the bus thought about that sight.
 
2010-02-21 04:20:49 PM
Prank Call of Cthulhu: This is creepier (and more NSFWish):

I want bitty, part II (new window)


I already know what that is and that was the only thing other than female circumcision that made me gag and turn off the tv.
 
2010-02-21 04:24:13 PM
FijiGrad: I teach high school physics. There is one student that I have that has so many severe allergies that it is ridiculous. From our school nurse: "LIFE THREATENING ALLERGIES TO PEANUTS, TREE NUTS, DAIRY, EGGS. NO FOOD IN CLASSROOM! If student feels she has been exposed, send her to the nurse's office immediately with an escort. She also carries an EPI-PEN in her waist pack which she may self administer in case of exposure." Her TWIN BROTHER is absolutely allergy free. Deal with that one.

To give you an idea of how serious her allergies are, once on a field trip, another student on the bus, several rows away from her began eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Her airway closed, the EpiPen was used to save her life, and all of the food on the bus was thrown out the window as it rolled down the highway at 60 mph. I can't imagine what the other cars around the bus thought about that sight.


You teach our children and you can't wrap your mind around fraternal twins? I weep for the future of America.
 
2010-02-21 04:26:08 PM
There is a high degree of psychosomatic causes for all of these stupid shiat allergies. I'm not saying they don't naturally occur but there is an incredible degree of just crap. I swear 3 out of 4 people in the pacific northwest cry about gluten allergies. Go anywhere else in the US and it is a rare condition. It's laughable until you realize that pacific northwesterners have really drank the koolaid that long, then it's just sad.
 
2010-02-21 04:28:26 PM
FijiGrad:
To give you an idea of how serious her allergies are, once on a field trip, another student on the bus, several rows away from her began eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Her airway closed, the EpiPen was used to save her life, and all of the food on the bus was thrown out the window as it rolled down the highway at 60 mph. I can't imagine what the other cars around the bus thought about that sight.


Is there ANY evidence of this kind of thing happening further back than 30 years?
 
2010-02-21 04:29:01 PM
ace in your face: FijiGrad: I teach high school physics. There is one student that I have that has so many severe allergies that it is ridiculous. From our school nurse: "LIFE THREATENING ALLERGIES TO PEANUTS, TREE NUTS, DAIRY, EGGS. NO FOOD IN CLASSROOM! If student feels she has been exposed, send her to the nurse's office immediately with an escort. She also carries an EPI-PEN in her waist pack which she may self administer in case of exposure." Her TWIN BROTHER is absolutely allergy free. Deal with that one.

To give you an idea of how serious her allergies are, once on a field trip, another student on the bus, several rows away from her began eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. Her airway closed, the EpiPen was used to save her life, and all of the food on the bus was thrown out the window as it rolled down the highway at 60 mph. I can't imagine what the other cars around the bus thought about that sight.

You teach our children and you can't wrap your mind around fraternal twins? I weep for the future of America.


All I was referring to was that the environment in which they were brought up would be virtually identical. But I appreciate the attack nonetheless. Tell me, did your parents have any children that lived to reach maturity?
 
2010-02-21 04:29:10 PM
bibli0phile: Never underestimate the power of a peanut allergy thread to bring out the nuts.

*I see what you did there image*
 
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