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(The New York Times)   Japan's reaction to worldwide ban on bluefin tuna: What worldwide ban on bluefin tuna?   (nytimes.com) divider line 64
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2010-02-20 08:01:34 PM  
Japan's reaction to worldwide ban on bluefin tuna: What worldwide ban on bluefin tuna? How about we try this again next week, in the appropriate venue?

FTFY....
 
2010-02-20 09:32:12 PM  
LordZorch: FTFY....

Indeed. The local media have been sympathetic about the need to reduce fishing/consumption, so that the stock is not ruined.

"It sucks, but nothing can be done, it's gotta be reduced for a while and yeah prices will rise but deal with it" type stories.
 
2010-02-20 09:32:59 PM  
They'll just start a "Research" institution that needs to capture and kill thousands upon thousands of blue-fin tuna to do the research and the left-overs will be sold to the market.
 
2010-02-20 09:51:13 PM  
Talon: They'll just start a "Research" institution that needs to capture and kill thousands upon thousands of blue-fin tuna to do the research and the left-overs will be sold to the market.

Except such a topic has never come up in reality...

The whaling issue, everyone knows it's commercial whaling. It's not some dark "secret" that the Western media needs to expose. But no one is upset about it, because the point is the IWC was never intended to ban all whaling, it's been misused. So, no one feels bad about making whatever careful dotting the i crossing the t "excuse" to be able to hunt some non-endangered whales. That's it.

Meanwhile captain of the "Sea Shepard" is going to Japan to face charges, this could be interesting.
 
2010-02-20 10:18:28 PM  
Who cares about some stupid fish, anyway?
 
2010-02-20 10:45:58 PM  
FARK YOU DORPHIN!
 
2010-02-20 11:35:20 PM  
Mentat: FARK YOU DORPHIN!


Heheh.

FARK YOU, TUNA AND SQUID!!
 
2010-02-20 11:55:26 PM  
Let's drop all this phony talk of 'bans' until somebody is ready and able to enforce them.
 
2010-02-21 12:27:05 AM  
Bucky Katt: Who cares about some stupid fish, anyway?

Ummm...you might when 1/3 of the world is starving. If the worlds fish stocks are as depleted as scientist think, then we will face a world wide collapse of fishing in the next 50 years.

Also, if we destroy the oceans ecology then we will destroy ourselves. As the ocean is vital to producing oxygen, among other things.

But hey why worry, over population and destruction of the environment is a self correcting problem. Sure it may suck for the poor, the third world, those in armies world wide and any one caught between those who have the ability to buy, steal, or take the resources necessary to survive such a collapse. But why worry? Or take steps to insure such a collapse does not happen.
 
2010-02-21 12:36:55 AM  
Bladel: Mentat: FARK YOU DORPHIN!


Heheh.

FARK YOU, TUNA AND SQUID!!


pix.motivatedphotos.com
 
2010-02-21 12:42:44 AM  
Simple math, people! Hello?

Link (new window)
 
2010-02-21 12:44:49 AM  
So Japan plans on continuing their magurownage?

/Got nothing
 
2010-02-21 12:47:06 AM  
I don't know about Blue Tuna - but I pray that the Nips blow the Steve Irwin out of the farking water. That would be TV worth watching!
 
2010-02-21 01:10:04 AM  
From the deck of the Steve Irwin

Captain:
What's that on the radar?

Gilligan: Looks like a Japanese whaler, Captain.

Captain: Great. Let's plot to intercept in 15 nautical miles.

Captain: Now what is that on the radar?

Gilligan: Looks like a farking cruise missile.

Captain:
(silence)

Gilligan:
Captain? Captain?
 
2010-02-21 01:13:17 AM  
*sigh* Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money.
 
2010-02-21 01:36:13 AM  
relaxitsjustme: *sigh* Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money.

it is at that point a bright young entrepreneur will figure out how to take the developments in energy capture and storage that we have and synthesize proteins and micronutrients and create "synthetic" food indistinguishable from the "biological" creatures we used to eat.

Meanwhile, without the air filtration from the trees, another bright young entrepreneur will have genetically engineered the SuperTree, a self-maintaining photosynthetic quasi-alive device that filters out carbon dioxide and other gases more efficiently than any sad old oak or maple. The catch? A killswitch gene that makes it die if you can't make your decade-periodic payments.

Finally, with the disruptions to the water cycle, the new rivers carving their way through former high-density population centers cry out for a management system that can take advantage of the chemical detritus stirred up and convert it into more useful, precursor compounds for feedstocks to everything, while clearing the water for drinking.

/you can't eat the physical money, but even with horrible "natural" destruction doesn't have to come the end of human life
/Paolo Bacigalupi was pessimistic, but it doesn't have to be completely hell
 
2010-02-21 01:41:06 AM  
Anodos: it is at that point a bright young entrepreneur will figure out how to take the developments in energy capture and storage that we have and synthesize proteins and micronutrients and create "synthetic" food indistinguishable from the "biological" creatures we used to eat.

Hopefully it happens before there is only money to eat but certainly I am looking forward to a day of cloned muscles where we don't have worry about the origin and the system can use whatever waste organic materials are there.
 
2010-02-21 01:45:45 AM  
I suppose I should explain who Paolo Bacigalupi is. The Windup Girl (new window)
 
2010-02-21 01:46:28 AM  
Japanese HAVE to eat squid to save face. Tentacled creatures raped their women, and there is video and anime evidence, if they are not avenged it's very bad for their culture.
 
2010-02-21 02:10:31 AM  
What ceasefire?
 
2010-02-21 02:12:49 AM  
Anodos

Yeah um. All that sounds like a lot of work, so keep at it. The rest of us will be here, squalling in moral indignation at Japan for irresponsibly depleting a finite and non-renewable resource, eating our tasty tuna while we subsist on doritos and mountain dew. It has electrolytes!
 
2010-02-21 02:17:59 AM  
El_Maestro: Anodos

Yeah um. All that sounds like a lot of work, so keep at it. The rest of us will be here, squalling in moral indignation at Japan for irresponsibly depleting a finite and non-renewable resource, eating our tasty tuna while we subsist on doritos and mountain dew. It has electrolytes!


Lol, thanks for reading the thread. I pointed out that fishstocks are rapidly becoming depleted earlier. I'm just saying that the destruction of the natural environment may be horrible, but it doesn't mean that humanity will cease to exist anymore than complex life in general would.

/especially the complex life in the sea vent communities
 
2010-02-21 03:08:24 AM  
dont bullshiat yourself into thinking it means anything

Americans buy blood diamonds, blood marijuana, and yes
in NYC I went to a restaurant that sold bluefin tuna.

We even invade and take oil money and guns from third world
nations.

We sell arms to Taiwan

We sell paper money to the chinese

so what were jew saying about da japs?

i777.photobucket.com
 
2010-02-21 03:11:18 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Maybe the tuna was in the back prepping the bomb...
 
2010-02-21 03:13:45 AM  
img37.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-21 03:58:28 AM  
I just finished watching The Cove, so I'm not getting a kick out of this.
 
2010-02-21 04:07:16 AM  
TFA: The position of Japan, which consumes about 80 percent of the bluefin tuna caught in the Mediterranean, "is very simple," Mr. Miyahara said. He said Japan believed that a different organization, the International Commission for the Conservation of Atlantic Tunas, known as Iccat, should manage bluefin tuna catches and protection.

Mr. Miyahara said Japan acknowledged that the bluefin tuna needed protection, but the endangered-species convention was "quite inflexible," he said.

Historically, he said, almost no species added to the Cites endangered species list had ever been removed. "We don't believe the bluefin tuna is endangered to that extent," he said.


Sounds more reasonable than subby's spin, but it really depends on the credibility of the ICCAT.
 
2010-02-21 04:07:32 AM  
"Japanese HAVE to eat squid to save face. Tentacled creatures raped their women, and there is video and anime evidence, if they are not avenged it's very bad for their culture."

Thank you, that's the first explanation I've heard so far that makes sense.
 
2010-02-21 04:19:41 AM  
FARK YOU CHICKEN AND COWR!
 
2010-02-21 04:20:04 AM  
Fishing stocks and poaching (mmm poached fish) are an issue here in NZ too. We're an economic lightweight and strategically we're a dagger pointed at the heart of Antarctica, but at least our politicians have had the foresight to spend up on patrol vessels monitoring our fisheries rather than more exciting pieces of hardware, given the massive size of our EEZ.

img716.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-21 05:10:18 AM  
thisispete: Fishing stocks and poaching (mmm poached fish) are an issue here in NZ too. We're an economic lightweight and strategically we're a dagger pointed at the heart of Antarctica, but at least our politicians have had the foresight to spend up on patrol vessels monitoring our fisheries rather than more exciting pieces of hardware, given the massive size of our EEZ.

where'd you find that map? I'd been looking for a good place to get maps of EEZ's for a project.
 
2010-02-21 07:29:04 AM  
Just EEZ page on wikipedia
 
2010-02-21 08:23:44 AM  
They're a sovereign nation. They don't have to do shiat.
 
2010-02-21 08:53:56 AM  
itazurakko: Talon: They'll just start a "Research" institution that needs to capture and kill thousands upon thousands of blue-fin tuna to do the research and the left-overs will be sold to the market.

Except such a topic has never come up in reality...

The whaling issue, everyone knows it's commercial whaling. It's not some dark "secret" that the Western media needs to expose. But no one is upset about it, because the point is the IWC was never intended to ban all whaling, it's been misused. So, no one feels bad about making whatever careful dotting the i crossing the t "excuse" to be able to hunt some non-endangered whales. That's it.

Meanwhile captain of the "Sea Shepard" is going to Japan to face charges, this could be interesting.


That argument is incorrect. If whaling gets banned, then whaling gets banned, pure and simple. If the Japanese want to make the case that the IWC never intended to ban all whaling, then they should try to get the rules changed.

They have no right to break the rules just because there is no environmental harm (which might be true, i don't know). The only reason they're not doing any harm is because other countries aren't breaking the rules.

Meanwhile, the Japanese have a convenient monopoly because they are leeching on the system. If everybody broke the rules, there would be a serious problem, which is why the Japanese position is injust.
 
2010-02-21 09:00:00 AM  
We missed our chance to wipe these people out back in 1945. We won't get another shot like that for another 100 years.

See ya, bluefin, it was nice knowing you.
 
2010-02-21 09:12:21 AM  
labomba: The only reason they're not doing any harm is because other countries aren't breaking the rules

Except for Norway, Canada (who isn't on the IWC, though) and a couple other countries... it's not just the Japanese...

/why the fark is Mauretania on the IWC?
 
2010-02-21 09:13:03 AM  
and Mali for that matter...
 
2010-02-21 09:18:20 AM  
w00rm: We even invade and take oil money and guns from third world
nations.


Derp derp derp, because third world countries (not counting Russia) produce lots of guns, and the US exports, rather than imports, lots of oil.
 
2010-02-21 09:39:38 AM  
Anodos: labomba: The only reason they're not doing any harm is because other countries aren't breaking the rules

Except for Norway, Canada (who isn't on the IWC, though) and a couple other countries... it's not just the Japanese...

/why the fark is Mauretania on the IWC?


The point still stands that these countries are leeching on the efforts of others who abide by the rules. Also, Japan (together with Norway)is one of the worst offenders.

I'm not a whale activist or anything, I'm just pointing out that the argument of no harm is a fallacy since it ignores the efforts of others.

While I agree to some extent, the point still stands that most nations in the world abide by the rules, and that t
 
2010-02-21 09:40:58 AM  
and obviously that last line should have been left out.

/Post preview for the win
 
2010-02-21 10:01:58 AM  
What a blue fin tuna might look like

isiria.files.wordpress.com

/the one without the rain gear
 
2010-02-21 10:58:42 AM  
There will be plenty of other tuna variations left. It'll be alright people. Do we really have to save absolutely *everything*?

For just 1 dollar a day, you too can help protect the one square yard of forest in Nowhere, Belize... the home of the endangered Red-Striped-Yellow-Throated-One-Eyed-Suicidal Ringworm.
 
2010-02-21 11:08:10 AM  
Razorwolf: There will be plenty of other tuna variations left. It'll be alright people. Do we really have to save absolutely *everything*?

I think the big deal for a lot of people is, "do humans have to live in every single ecological crevice? do we have to alter every single ecology extant on Earth by destroying delicately evolved species?"

what is the usefulness of eight billion of us, a population in line more with a bacterial colony than a mammalian predator?

/not an environmentalist
//still coming to grips with the meaninglessness of life without expanding beyond Earth
 
2010-02-21 11:27:23 AM  
labomba: That argument is incorrect. If whaling gets banned, then whaling gets banned, pure and simple. If the Japanese want to make the case that the IWC never intended to ban all whaling, then they should try to get the rules changed.

They have the exemption, which they are using. They are not breaking the law, even currently.

The INTENT of the IWC was not "ban all whale hunting, forever." It was to monitor levels of whale hunting. Not all whales are endangered.

It's not only about Japan, either - ask Norway and they'll say the same.
 
2010-02-21 11:30:20 AM  
Razorwolf: There will be plenty of other tuna variations left. It'll be alright people. Do we really have to save absolutely *everything*?

Well, people like to eat this particular kind. So yeah, they want to make sure that they don't go extinct, so people can CONTINUE to eat them into the future. That's the Japanese position, even. There's quibbling over how to do it, but maintaining sustainable populations isn't any new thing.
 
2010-02-21 11:31:46 AM  
I prefer yellowfin tuna, no matter hamachi costs.
 
2010-02-21 11:58:38 AM  
itazurakko: Well, people like to eat this particular kind. So yeah, they want to make sure that they don't go extinct, so people can CONTINUE to eat them into the future. That's the Japanese position, even. There's quibbling over how to do it, but maintaining sustainable populations isn't any new thing.

Stop killing them so we can kill more of them. Cool. Still though, plenty of others out there. This would have been a lot funnier if these activist laws existed for the Dodo. That would have been endless YouTube fun, watching them run around underneath Dodos trying to catch eggs in fluffy mitts!
 
2010-02-21 01:54:17 PM  
Anodos: labomba: The only reason they're not doing any harm is because other countries aren't breaking the rules

Except for Norway, Canada (who isn't on the IWC, though) and a couple other countries... it's not just the Japanese...

/why the fark is Mauretania on the IWC?
and Mali for that matter...


I read an article years ago that said Japan was economically leaning on/bribing some of these Third World countries to "discover" that they had a history of whaling and get themselves admitted to the IWC. This would stack any votes in Japan's favor. The article was very anti-whaling (I think it was mostly a profile of the Sea Shepherd gang years before the show) though there could be something to it. YMMV.
 
2010-02-21 02:42:25 PM  
Razorwolf: There will be plenty of other tuna variations left. It'll be alright people. Do we really have to save absolutely *everything*?

For just 1 dollar a day, you too can help protect the one square yard of forest in Nowhere, Belize... the home of the endangered Red-Striped-Yellow-Throated-One-Eyed-Suicidal Ringworm.


This attitude is completely inconceivable to me.
 
2010-02-21 03:10:22 PM  
relaxitsjustme: *sigh* Only when the last tree has died, the last river has been poisoned and the last fish has been caught will we realize that we cannot eat money.

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
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