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(Yahoo)   Iraq war vet credited with keeping the death toll from the IRS building attack so low, as seconds after the plane hit, he grabbed a ladder, climbed into the burning building and rescued survivors   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 139
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2010-02-20 12:24:12 PM  
I wonder who the teabaggers will think is more patriotic, this obvious hero, or the terrorist who stuck it to the government and flew the plane into the building? I'm putting my money on the latter.
 
2010-02-20 12:24:18 PM  
high 5 iraq war vet!
 
2010-02-20 12:25:05 PM  
Damn, I'm surprised that the ladder could support the weight of brass balls that big.
 
2010-02-20 12:25:39 PM  
www.1000steine.com

/Got nothin' but the hawtness
 
2010-02-20 12:26:00 PM  
img28.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-20 12:27:09 PM  
And he no doubt would have rescued the idiot himself, had he had the opportunity. Nobility is a fleeting commodity these days, but it's heartwarming to know that it isn't totally gone, yet.
 
2010-02-20 12:27:21 PM  
Communist_Manifesto: I wonder who the teabaggers will think is more patriotic, this obvious hero, or the terrorist who stuck it to the government and flew the plane into the building? I'm putting my money on the latter.

Wow, full douchebag right out of the gate.

I hope, I HOPE, that if I'm ever in a situation like that there's a Robin De Haven coming to save me. That man deserves an award (preferably cash).
 
2010-02-20 12:27:29 PM  
Seriously, that takes some big ones to go into a building a plane just flew into.

/tips hat
 
2010-02-20 12:27:39 PM  
Communist_Manifesto: I wonder who the teabaggers will think is more patriotic, this obvious hero, or the terrorist who stuck it to the government and flew the plane into the building? I'm putting my money on the latter ladder.

/Rotsky ?
 
2010-02-20 12:27:50 PM  
Tone it down a bit, pal. Yer makin' the rest of us look bad.
 
2010-02-20 12:29:58 PM  
I can hear the loud clanking of his balls of STEEL
 
2010-02-20 12:30:31 PM  
It isn't terrorism when we do it.
 
2010-02-20 12:30:42 PM  
Tachikoma: Damn, I'm surprised that the ladder could support the weight of brass balls that big.

I came here to say this, and I see I'm not needed.
 
2010-02-20 12:30:54 PM  
Communist_Manifesto: I wonder who the teabaggers will think is more patriotic, this obvious hero, or the terrorist who stuck it to the government and flew the plane into the building? I'm putting my money on the latter.

Wait...I thought Fark's official position was that military members are all felons...how could this one be a hero?

/dude's a hero
 
2010-02-20 12:30:59 PM  
Instantaneous Rescue Service?
 
2010-02-20 12:31:09 PM  
I'm glad someone is willing to save Americans from the threat of Teabag Terrorism.
 
2010-02-20 12:31:55 PM  
studebaker hoch: It isn't terrorism when we do it.

WTF does that mean? This was domestic terrorism. Who is arguing that?
 
2010-02-20 12:32:45 PM  
veterans think they're so damned special, he go PAID to go to iraq, what's so heroic about that?

I'm sure I missed a gripe or too. I've heard quite a few, mostly in anonymous forums. Hell, I got called a welfare queen once for mentioning that I was using my GI Bill.

/Also, while I'm here, here's a public service announcement: Don't immediately ask "did you kill anybody" when you find out someones been overseas, it's bad manners. My answer is usually "that would be telling..." and hold until they break eye contact.

For the record though, he wouldn't be any less of a hero if he was a pacifist vegan hipster, it's your actions when it counts that count.
 
2010-02-20 12:32:53 PM  
Maybe someone he rescued can make a note in the IRS's files somewhere making sure this guy never pays a dime in income tax ever again.
 
2010-02-20 12:33:59 PM  
Where would they bury the survivors?
 
2010-02-20 12:34:19 PM  
Occam's Nailfile: studebaker hoch: It isn't terrorism when we do it.

WTF does that mean? This was domestic terrorism. Who is arguing that?


I was trolling earlier but these people seem to be at least approaching that argument. Link (new window)
 
2010-02-20 12:35:06 PM  
chairborne: veterans think they're so damned special, he go PAID to go to iraq, what's so heroic about that?

I'm sure I missed a gripe or too. I've heard quite a few, mostly in anonymous forums. Hell, I got called a welfare queen once for mentioning that I was using my GI Bill.

/Also, while I'm here, here's a public service announcement: Don't immediately ask "did you kill anybody" when you find out someones been overseas, it's bad manners. My answer is usually "that would be telling..." and hold until they break eye contact.

For the record though, he wouldn't be any less of a hero if he was a pacifist vegan hipster, it's your actions when it counts that count.


Oh, and THIS
 
2010-02-20 12:36:41 PM  
I think he was a window installer.

/Can't see a window installer doing this without billing someone for something...especially volunteering with his time and tools. I'd have to actually see the building security recordings to believe this.

//In the industry. Wonders what company he worked for.
 
2010-02-20 12:37:09 PM  
Occam's Nailfile
This was domestic terrorism.

I didn't use it because the word terrorism sucks. Seriously, have you ever looked up the definition? It's so broad as to apply to a million things that we don't normally refer to directly as "terrorism". What this guy certainly fits the accepted definitions of terrorism, though.
 
2010-02-20 12:37:43 PM  
Waiting for the Followup headline with "Yeah, about that. Not so much."

/cynic
 
2010-02-20 12:38:03 PM  
chairborne: veterans think they're so damned special, he go PAID to go to iraq, what's so heroic about that?

I'm sure I missed a gripe or too. I've heard quite a few, mostly in anonymous forums. Hell, I got called a welfare queen once for mentioning that I was using my GI Bill.

/Also, while I'm here, here's a public service announcement: Don't immediately ask "did you kill anybody" when you find out someones been overseas, it's bad manners. My answer is usually "that would be telling..." and hold until they break eye contact.

For the record though, he wouldn't be any less of a hero if he was a pacifist vegan hipster, it's your actions when it counts that count.


Yeah but more likely to be a war vet -- they have the experience and training to react like this. The average pacifist vegan hipster would piss their pants due to being green -- veteran troops are more reliable.
 
2010-02-20 12:38:43 PM  
The story he's telling now is not the story he was telling right after the accident. I know, being modest and all. In the first interview, he said that he put the ladder up on the building near where the 5 folks were yelling out the busted window, and the woman climbed down, and the 4 gentlemen went down. A little PTSD-caused amensia, or worse... wants 15 minutes?

/lives in Austin
//worked 3 miles from incident
 
2010-02-20 12:39:35 PM  
lafong: I can hear the loud clanking of his balls of STEEL


Everyone knows steel balls don't melt in a fire.
 
2010-02-20 12:41:34 PM  
Communist_Manifesto: I wonder who the teabaggers will think is more patriotic, this obvious hero, or the terrorist who stuck it to the government and flew the plane into the building? I'm putting my money on the latter.

Both, one for fighting against the machine and the other for being selfless to save others that were unwitting employees of the machine.
 
2010-02-20 12:42:38 PM  
one_eyed_willie: In the first interview, he said that he put the ladder up on the building near where the 5 folks were yelling out the busted window, and the woman climbed down, and the 4 gentlemen went down.

Like that time Hennie saved the Supreme Court from a fire.

/everything good is obscure on Fark
 
2010-02-20 12:43:01 PM  
So.....what you're saying is, if there were no Iraq War, he wouldn't have had the training to save them.
Huh? Huh?
And you thought Bush was crazy.
 
2010-02-20 12:44:22 PM  
I guess he got over Macho Grande.
 
2010-02-20 12:49:12 PM  
Occam's Nailfile: studebaker hoch: It isn't terrorism when we do it.

WTF does that mean? This was domestic terrorism. Who is arguing that?


Translation: It's not trolling when we do it.
 
2010-02-20 12:49:36 PM  
Heroic Poser: So.....what you're saying is, if there were no Iraq War, he wouldn't have had the training to save them.
Huh? Huh?
And you thought Bush was crazy.


Wow, dude, you're a visionary. With that level of lawyer like thinking you have there, you could easily be a writer for Fox News!

Yes, I believe they have writers. Though normally they don't recruit them. They are normally kept in a pit of despair after being born in egg-form from Dick Cheney's black man-womb and inseminated by a crawing Carl Rove.
 
2010-02-20 12:49:53 PM  
Occam's Nailfile: studebaker hoch: It isn't terrorism when we do it.

WTF does that mean? This was domestic terrorism. Who is arguing that?


I dunno... strikes me as more of a workplace shooting sort of thing. He just went after his antagonist. Just because the antagonist was a government agency don't make it terrorism. He didn't appear to have any illusions he'd change anything. He just wanted to send them a final, heartfelt fark-u-gram.

Interesting how it disappeared from the news so quickly. They usually dig up as much nastiness as they can, and roll around in it for the viewers. I suspect there are a lot of partially composed fark-u-grams out there in TV land.
 
2010-02-20 12:50:34 PM  
steamingpile
Both, one for fighting against the machine

This guy did not "fight against the machine", nor even identify "the machine", and he's no kind of hero. He snapped and injured a bunch of people, killed himself and made a mockery of all he claimed to stand for.

There are a million ways those who are actually working to better the human condition, make our government more accountable and responsive and humane to those under it's tender care, and pursue justice in a world that often would prefer to deny it's existence could have used this guy's help. This was not one of them. Don't encourage stupid shiat like this by calling him a "hero" for failing so completely. Maybe his goals were noble or just, and maybe his intentions were too. His actions were abominable.
 
2010-02-20 12:51:49 PM  
mrexcess: Occam's Nailfile
This was domestic terrorism.

I didn't use it because the word terrorism sucks. Seriously, have you ever looked up the definition? It's so broad as to apply to a million things that we don't normally refer to directly as "terrorism". What this guy certainly fits the accepted definitions of terrorism, though.


The use of violence (or threat of violence) to further a political agenda.

It's pretty simple. If you use (or threaten) violence to obtain money that is extortion. If you do it to change policy that is terrorism. Terrorism is just another means of lobbying.

If the KKK burns a cross on your lawn, that is terrorism. If a mafia guy threatens to burn down your bodega if you don't pay him, that is extortion.
 
2010-02-20 12:52:29 PM  
Somebody buy this guy a steak!
 
2010-02-20 12:53:33 PM  
chairborne: I'm sure I missed a gripe or too. I've heard quite a few, mostly in anonymous forums. Hell, I got called a welfare queen once for mentioning that I was using my GI Bill.

/Also, while I'm here, here's a public service announcement: Don't immediately ask "did you kill anybody" when you find out someones been overseas, it's bad manners. My answer is usually "that would be telling..." and hold until they break eye contact.

For the record though, he wouldn't be any less of a hero if he was a pacifist vegan hipster, it's your actions when it counts that count.


Did you kill anybody?

/I keed!
 
2010-02-20 12:54:22 PM  
lobootomy:
I hope, I HOPE, that if I'm ever in a situation like that there's a Robin De Haven coming to save me. That man deserves an award (preferably cash)
and good beer and hot chicks (or rockstar sex with wife).

FIFY
 
2010-02-20 12:55:33 PM  
NotoriousW.O.P: Tachikoma: Damn, I'm surprised that the ladder could support the weight of brass balls that big.

I came here to say this, and I see I'm not needed.


seconded..dayum
 
2010-02-20 12:55:40 PM  
One Bad Apple
The use of violence (or threat of violence) to further a political agenda.

Great. So when was the last time you heard Vietnam referred to as terrorism?
 
2010-02-20 12:57:44 PM  
chairborne: /Also, while I'm here, here's a public service announcement: Don't immediately ask "did you kill anybody" when you find out someones been overseas, it's bad manners. My answer is usually "that would be telling..." and hold until they break eye contact.

I prefer the John Rambo approach:

"I fired a few shots.."

chairborne: For the record though, he wouldn't be any less of a hero if he was a pacifist vegan hipster, it's your actions when it counts that count.

"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy." -MLK
 
F42
2010-02-20 12:57:51 PM  
Now THAT sounds like heroics.
 
2010-02-20 12:58:22 PM  
I swear to god if you dimwits starting debating whether this was terrorism or not, I am going to fly a piper cub full of butt hurt directly into this thread.
 
2010-02-20 12:59:27 PM  

Heads up to the right-wing teabaggers who think of the suicide bomber as one of their own: at the end of the suicide note he posted online, he quoted a Communist creed and added anti-Capitalist snark. Quoting:

The communist creed: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

The capitalist creed: From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.

Joe Stack (1956-2010)


He appears to have been a pinko Commie. The more you know.
 
2010-02-20 01:00:49 PM  
AmazingRuss: Occam's Nailfile: studebaker hoch: It isn't terrorism when we do it.

WTF does that mean? This was domestic terrorism. Who is arguing that?

I dunno... strikes me as more of a workplace shooting sort of thing. He just went after his antagonist. Just because the antagonist was a government agency don't make it terrorism. He didn't appear to have any illusions he'd change anything. He just wanted to send them a final, heartfelt fark-u-gram.

Interesting how it disappeared from the news so quickly. They usually dig up as much nastiness as they can, and roll around in it for the viewers. I suspect there are a lot of partially composed fark-u-grams out there in TV land.


A workplace shooting is directed towards individuals or a group of individuals (workplace, etc).

Not only did this man intentionally target a Government organization, he explicitly said that his motivation was because of his opposition to the Government.

ter·ror·ism [ter-uh-riz-uhm]
-noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.


He sounds like a terrorist to me.
 
2010-02-20 01:01:31 PM  
It seems that nobody other than Wesley Snipes has made any sort of deferential comments towards the pilot.

The sort of people who circle-jerk the glen beck murder junk are also the ones who are trying to make some sort of tenuous connection between the pilot and the teabaggers.

What's the deal? Nobody admires this loon. Nobody is secretly going yea. NOBODY.
 
2010-02-20 01:01:36 PM  
Back when we started our little endless adventures in Iraq and Afghanistan, I thought one of the few sensible arguments for it was just this sort of thing.

Putting ourselves in harm's way with no conceivable end to the mission ensures, at least, that we have a constant supply of people scattered around that know how to deal with the situation when shiat goes down. We have five more survivors of senseless violence because the 28-year-old driving by understood how one should act when a building blows up.

To that extent, at least, we're stronger than we were in 2001. Well done, Mr. De Haven.
 
2010-02-20 01:02:02 PM  
Something similar happened at my work a couple of years ago. I got to the shop about 8am and there were firetrucks everywhere and ambulances and helicopters and newspaper reporters.

So, I asked the lead pressman and the feeder operator what happened. Apparently the motel next door caught fire and people were trapped on the second floor. They grabbed our extension ladder, climbed up, broke out a window and saved five people's lives.

Good people do amazing stuff every day. I'm glad this guy was there, and had a ladder.
 
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