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2010-02-20 07:57:37 AM  
Let's hear it for upcoming cancer cure #2,697,431 that's been proven to work in mice but we'll probably never hear about ever again....
 
2010-02-20 08:35:19 AM  
cancer research is a scam
Have lost 3 family members in the last 7 years none of them genetically related.
2 breast cancer, 1 lung cancer (marathon runner never smoked)
 
2010-02-20 09:02:34 AM  

00spy: cancer research is a scam


Care to elaborate?

00spy: Have lost 3 family members in the last 7 years none of them genetically related.
2 breast cancer, 1 lung cancer (marathon runner never smoked)


That isn't elaboration. That's unrelated.
 
2010-02-20 09:08:35 AM  
Care to elaborate?


no money in cure
ask the Salk institute how much they made off polio cure. not near as much if would have been a treatment
money in in treatment
 
2010-02-20 09:11:52 AM  

00spy: Care to elaborate?


no money in cure
ask the Salk institute how much they made off polio cure. not near as much if would have been a treatment
money in in treatment


Now explain to me the difference between "treatment" and "cure."

I'm not trying to be a dick, I just have no idea where you're coming from.

The Thesaurus (new window) says cure and treatment in synonyms.
 
2010-02-20 09:12:58 AM  

jack21221: 00spy: cancer research is a scam

Care to elaborate?

00spy: Have lost 3 family members in the last 7 years none of them genetically related.
2 breast cancer, 1 lung cancer (marathon runner never smoked)

That isn't elaboration. That's unrelated.


Anecdotal evidence is always the most reliable. Didn't you get the memo?
 
2010-02-20 09:21:52 AM  
nice workaround

but remember to followup on the true fix...
 
2010-02-20 09:40:29 AM  
00spy: cancer research is a scam



one thing is for certain. If I ever twist off and start infecting people with exploding head disease, it will be at a pharmaceutical company
 
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2010-02-20 09:54:37 AM  

00spy: Care to elaborate?


no money in cure
ask the Salk institute how much they made off polio cure. not near as much if would have been a treatment
money in in treatment


Plenty of money in a cure. Enable people to live long enough and they're bound to get cancer again.
 
2010-02-20 09:56:38 AM  
we have come a long way from the ole mustard gas treatments
 
2010-02-20 09:59:46 AM  
Plenty of money in a cure. Enable people to live long enough and they're bound to get cancer again

ror
 
2010-02-20 11:58:20 AM  

00spy: Care to elaborate?


no money in cure
ask the Salk institute how much they made off polio cure. not near as much if would have been a treatment
money in in treatment


Even if there isn't money in a curse doesn't mean it won't be developed anyways. Despite the huge amount of corporate greed, there are always those with very altruistic motives and can't care less about cashing out. There are also wealthy people who seek to use their fortunes to better the world.

Unless you are suggesting that the pharmaceutical companies are actively suppressing actual cancer research, but that's a very serious accusation. Since you would be making the leap from greedy corporate types to outright soulless monsters who would kill their own mother if it meant improving the bottom line.
 
2010-02-20 12:05:43 PM  
now that's worthy of a Nobel prize, not politics
 
2010-02-20 12:30:19 PM  

00spy: cancer research is a scam
Have lost 3 family members in the last 7 years none of them genetically related.
2 breast cancer, 1 lung cancer (marathon runner never smoked)


With all due respect for your losses, it's a huge leap to go from "I have loved ones who died from disease X" to "research on disease X is a scam."

Don't think I'm unsympathetic; my father has a tracheostomy status post treatment for laryngeal cancer. He's alive because of chemotherapy, therapeutic antibodies, and radiation therapy, all of which were developed by this "scam" of which you speak. I'm also aware that he's lucky.

Now, I'm a physician who sees lots of cancer patients, and I trained in places with high volumes of these patients. There are successes and failures, and yeah, I've watched plenty of these people die.

But there are many treatments which increase the quantity and quality of life of cancer patients. They all start somewhere, which is why we must continue to fund basic cancer research.

/not an oncologist
 
2010-02-20 12:36:23 PM  
quality of life of cancer patients

yea right
 
2010-02-20 12:48:32 PM  

00spy: quality of life of cancer patients

yea right


Yes, right. There are even semi-quantitative methods (new window) to measure quality of life, which are employed in studies of cancer treatment.

I've seen plenty of cures, including successful resection of solid tumors (e.g. breast, colon, lung) with adjunctive chemo/radiation, bone marrow transplants for leukemias and lymphomas, liver transplant for hepatocellular carcinoma, etc.

I'm very, very sorry your experiences have been so bad. But that doesn't mean all is lost.
 
2010-02-20 12:49:24 PM  
I survived stage 3 cancer through the miracle of modern science, so I'm getting a kick out of the scam thing.
 
2010-02-20 12:54:54 PM  
lake_huron
But there are many treatments which increase the quantity and quality of life of cancer patients. They all start somewhere, which is why we must continue to fund basic cancer research.


I hope your Dad is doing well

My Mom and my Wife had the same Dr. and believe me he is a great Dr. and all around good guy and anyone that has cancer I would recommend him. And i do beleive the major drug companies do know what it takes to produce a cure. I am not saying thay have one. again they know what it takes to make one. There has been almost a trillion dollars given to the research of cancer. Please do not get me wrong there have been wonderful discoveries come out of cancer research ie getting salt water to burn, growing ears of the backs of mice etc. Watched my Mom do a stem cell implant. I would not put my family through that. they gave her a 20% chance of living a year. she made it fours after that but I do not know of this quality of life you speak of.
 
2010-02-20 12:59:34 PM  

00spy: cancer research is a scam
Have lost 3 family members in the last 7 years none of them genetically related.
2 breast cancer, 1 lung cancer (marathon runner never smoked)


The experimental regiment they used to treat me seemed to work so not all research is worthless.
 
2010-02-20 01:03:30 PM  
lake_huron
you sound like a nice person the world needs more nice people in it.

now I am sad. I miss my Mom and my 12 yr olds Mom you guys have a nice day
 
2010-02-20 01:05:30 PM  
TFA: Howard Hughes Medical Institute investigator Roger Tsien, PhD, professor of pharmacology, chemistry and biochemistry at the University of California, San Diego and the Moores UCSD Cancer Center

Was all that really necessary? Just call him "Richard".
 
2010-02-20 02:24:17 PM  

00spy: And i do beleive the major drug companies do know what it takes to produce a cure.


Did you know cancer is not one disease? It's many diseases for each type of tissue in the human body? Do you think the human body is a simple thing? Why?
/Something tells me you're too stupid to understand how stupid you are
 
2010-02-20 02:47:49 PM  
So far, cancer is only one for four on people I've known. I know three people who survived it (two after surgery, one after chemotherapy) and one who died of it.

To suggest that there is no money being put into researching cancer is silly, since it's actually quite easy to find people researching it, and it's not like their results are being hidden.

Aside even from that, there's the fact that making a brilliant discovery can make a career. Any researcher who makes a nice medical breakthrough can expect to be employed and well paid for the rest of his or her life, and on top of that, there's the bonus of getting heaps of prestige. Curing cancer is for a medical researcher what winning the Super Bowl is for a football player. It's something everybody wants to do.
 
2010-02-20 02:52:05 PM  

00spy: Quantum Apostrophe
Something tells me you're too stupid to understand how stupid you are

I bet you would not say that to my face. Because you would be speechless as I shoved it down your moms throat while your bleeding dad watched, you cock sucker


www.clubfuji.com

Obligatory.
 
2010-02-20 02:56:52 PM  
ilike flowers

thats me, except I don't smoke and my computer might be a year newer
bring it on. I need a good laugh
 
2010-02-20 03:23:38 PM  

00spy: ilike flowers

thats me, except I don't smoke and my computer might be a year newer
bring it on. I need a good laugh


Hey, I know you've been through some tough times because of cancer, and I feel for your loss. But cancer research allowed me to survive testicular cancer last year, what was once a death sentence for a man now has a 95% cure rate.

\Cancer sucks
\\Researchers are doing their best
\\My right one is now floating in a jar in a pathologists office
 
2010-02-20 03:33:33 PM  

00spy: lake_huron
you sound like a nice person the world needs more nice people in it.

now I am sad. I miss my Mom and my 12 yr olds Mom you guys have a nice day


My Dad's quite stable, thanks for asking.

Sorry for your losees, and, notwithstanding your understandably angry response above (Quantum Apostrophe, pls lighten up on the person who lost so many to the disease, 'kay?) I assume you're nice, too.

Good luck, and may you and your family come across the good things the world has to offer, too.

Good luck to all the survivors, too.
 
2010-02-20 05:12:34 PM  

lake_huron: (Quantum Apostrophe, pls lighten up on the person who lost so many to the disease, 'kay?) I assume you're nice, too.


I don't know. When someone responds to being made fun of on the internet after exposing their ignorance on a subject (everyone's ignorant on something) with this:

"

00spy: Because you would be speechless as I shoved it down your moms throat while your bleeding dad watched, you cock sucker

"

then, I'm inclined to believe he's a troll.

And then he tries to make you feel sorry for him? That just screams troll even more. I could be wrong, but that's what the evidence is telling me.
 
2010-02-20 05:31:29 PM  

00spy: Care to elaborate?


no money in cure
ask the Salk institute how much they made off polio cure. not near as much if would have been a treatment
money in in treatment



You just proved that nobody cured polio.
 
2010-02-21 12:17:20 AM  
I smell a troll in this thread...
 
2010-02-21 01:12:29 AM  

Mekanikos: I smell a troll in this thread...


Agreed. If I had lost members of my family to cancer, the last thing I'd be doing is insulting their memories by shiating up a cancer thread with vaguely pseudoscientific 'Big Medicine is a Scam' garbage, and poorly worded ITG threats to anonymous randoms.
 
2010-02-21 04:26:59 PM  
i got your troll hanging
 
2010-02-21 04:36:19 PM  
hey dumbasses look at all the industries/people that would be affected if they even cured the common cold. you can not catch it by washing your hands. so one would imagine it should be easy to to kill it as it enters your body. maybe a simple vaccine, so you are naive enough to believe that they don't know enough about the many different types of cancer to be able to at least to erradicate a few of them. you guy are the true dumbasses and fark you
 
2010-02-21 06:05:03 PM  

00spy: hey dumbasses look at all the industries/people that would be affected if they even cured the common cold. you can not catch it by washing your hands. so one would imagine it should be easy to to kill it as it enters your body. maybe a simple vaccine, so you are naive enough to believe that they don't know enough about the many different types of cancer to be able to at least to erradicate a few of them. you guy are the true dumbasses and fark you


As a physician who has also done about seven years of biochemistry research, I can say that you are 100% wrong.

Trust me on this one -- the profit motive is VERY strong to develop cures.
 
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