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(The Smoking Gun)   Flight attendant's bra sets off metal detector, forced to go through security again braless. Sues   (thesmokinggun.com) divider line 145
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2003-04-18 03:13:53 PM
AtomicToad- Actually Ms. Sheeron was the one who suggested the problem was her bra and offered to take it off. p6-32
 
2003-04-18 03:13:57 PM
grrr...

NSFW

http://www.in-party.de/reck_neu/2002-05-17/
 
2003-04-18 03:14:57 PM
lol, Faethe

out of context that was pretty funny
 
2003-04-18 03:17:35 PM
Moth

The problem with that argument is what if a terrorist set off the detector with a gun/bomb/knife and when confronted just said "Oh well, I guess I'll just go home"

Security people have the responsibility to ensure safety of those around them.
 
2003-04-18 03:18:36 PM
Faethe - I see.

On the other topic: I live in Georgia, and I don't see many speed traps...
 
2003-04-18 03:19:03 PM




nukular terrorist
 
cot
2003-04-18 03:19:32 PM
FARK headline writers remind me of those dating game things.

Nobody wants a middle of the road outcome, so they try to polarize it to one side or the other as much as possible. This headline makes it sound like yet another baseless lawsuit, yet when you read through the article it's clear she was treated unfairly.
 
2003-04-18 03:23:09 PM

"You want me to strip for you because I set off the detector, and you want to wave a wand at my crotch ? Bite my shiny metal ass !"


 
2003-04-18 03:23:38 PM
cot

I, and I'm sure the other 3 people who've read the article, agree with you.
 
2003-04-18 03:23:56 PM
Actually they don't generally just let you walk away if you failed a screening. Just let you walk away, what if you have a bomb and could blow up another portion of the airport? I'm not saying this is the particular case here, but ... people who have failed the screening have often been required to be searched before leaving.

Also, Logan, as well as DC and (eventually) all of the federally staffed locations have more sensitive screening (ie even bras might show). My shoes made the thing go crazy at Reagan National and I didn't even know there was metal in them. They were fine in all other airports of that trip.
 
2003-04-18 03:26:03 PM
She is about to be laidoff from work and saw this as her chance to get her pension plan.

I have been felt up numerous times at the airport (and only paid $$ for it once) :)
 
2003-04-18 03:26:23 PM
Agreed.

While I agree that people sue waaaaay too often - she has a case. What else can you do to make sure this does happen again? I don't think a mean letter to management would cut it.

Plus...the whole crotch patting thing was weird. What did that have to do with her boobs setting off an alarm?? Pervs
 
2003-04-18 03:27:58 PM
04-18-03 03:17:35 PM Setinotathome
The problem with that argument is what if a terrorist set off the detector with a gun/bomb/knife and when confronted just said "Oh well, I guess I'll just go home"

Innocent before proven guilty, that's how.

Unless you can prove he's got an illegal weapon on him, he should be allowed to go home.

We live in the land of the free, not in the land of, "something is metal on you so now I'm going to force you to disrobe in front of me and your boss".

I expect ppl to biatch about me sayin let a terrorist go home, and I don't care. I'm not going to condone forcing thousands of ppl to endure procedures they should have a right to opt out of.
 
2003-04-18 03:29:27 PM
"I think if you called a lawyer...told him exactly what you told me, told it to him in low tones, whispered to him on the phone....he'd probably get a hardon and take the case."

/Belz

Remember the SNL skit where they checked Sharon Stone (?) going through security and made her take her clothes off? Slowly?
 
2003-04-18 03:29:45 PM
Wisconsinite- Did they at least run their fingers through your hair? At least then you would get something out of it.:)
 
2003-04-18 03:30:04 PM
Jovantae:

We're still on for 6:00 right? Behind the "snack bar" again, or are we opting for the luggage rack?
 
2003-04-18 03:31:08 PM
I told you I didn't have those James Bond nipple guns damn it!
 
2003-04-18 03:31:22 PM
Oh, also....

"Previously, Ms. Sheeran was excited to be in here chosen profession...."

Don't lawyers have proofreaders?
 
2003-04-18 03:37:23 PM
Absolutben: Heeeheeheehee...thanks for remembering ;) Just a few: "oops! Was that my forearm accidently brushing up against your nipple for the 8th time? Sorry!"
 
2003-04-18 03:39:08 PM
Sounds to me like the security checker is in dire fvcking need of a prolonged horsewhipping. What an asshat.

I hope the Flight Attendant scores enough to retire.
 
2003-04-18 03:41:29 PM
Good for her, the illusion of security has just gotten out of hand. This reminds me of an older story:

By Penn (of Penn and Teller
 
2003-04-18 03:44:44 PM
BrandonSi - Article? What article?
 
2003-04-18 03:46:08 PM
First, I think this woman was treated incredibly wrong.

That said... how pathetic are people that this sort of incident could have actually "negatively impacted Ms. Sheeran's job performance, job satisfaction, and, indeed, her enjoyment of life itself." She's basically saying (through her lawyer)... "I'm an emotional mess. I can't function now."

It was wrong and the guard should be punished (even fired if this is really how it went down), but to need a psychologist because some woman made you take off your bra and touched your leg with a wand? What kind of fragile world do we live in?

Sure she should be ticked off. Sure she should pursue it. Sure she should get some sort of action that will prevent this from happnening again.

Should she never have to work again and have her shrink tell her she's a poor baby for the rest of her life? NO WAY... get your lazy rear back to work and quit whining woman!

Heaven forbid her fly is ever down or she walks out of the bathroom with toilet paper on her shoe. She could go into a coma!
 
2003-04-18 03:48:50 PM

Damn HTML,



Good for her, the illusion of security has just gotten out of hand. This reminds me of an older story:

By Penn (of Penn and Teller)

 
2003-04-18 03:48:55 PM
Security procedures are not an "opt out" situation.

I believe it's called probable cause, when a person sets off an alarm and then "opts out" of the procedures which are required afterwards they should be scrutinized.

And your "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply here, she set off the alarm, she should be searched not allowed to just leave.

If a policeman catches someone about to break into a house, they don't let them go because they haven't stolen anything yet.
 
2003-04-18 03:49:29 PM
The things people will do to take a trip on 30 year old planes that are sure to have metal fatigue throughout. Not to mention packed in the same pressure vessel as 200 other viral infected, wheezing, and farting sardines.

I've heard the stastistics that flying may be safer than driving, but I doubt that 74.38% of those facts are telling the whole truth. When the 747's were new, flying was an awesome experience. No more. You are guilty for simply being alive when flying and subject to the entire trip being on your permanent record.

I'd rather take my car (or the bike!) next time to visit the fine folks at family owned establishments and see the country.
 
2003-04-18 03:49:44 PM
Guys, I think the 'emotional distress' part is valid in this case. She's a flight attendant. She goes through security every day and up til now never had a reason to fear it. Now she has to worry about being publicly humiliated EVERY TIME she goes through security.

THe premise here is that she shouldn't have tp fo her job all jittery with anxiety in case she gets strip-searched next time.

And to all you 'get over it' types, just why should anyone have to get USED to being strip-searched? It's a free country, isn't it?
 
2003-04-18 03:52:22 PM
04-18-03 03:37:23 PM Wisconsinite
Absolutben: Heeeheeheehee...thanks for remembering ;) Just a few: "oops! Was that my forearm accidently brushing up against your nipple for the 8th time? Sorry!"


That made me hot! :)
 
2003-04-18 03:59:41 PM
"THe premise here is that she shouldn't have tp fo her job all jittery with anxiety in case she gets strip-searched next time."

One of the higher-ups at my work implies that I'm uneducated poor white trash on a (usually) weekly basis. I have anxiety every time I walk through the door. Can I sue(and win)?
 
2003-04-18 03:59:48 PM
This lawsuit seems silly. Of course, I will need to strip search her for more research. Perhaps a body cavity check.
 
2003-04-18 04:00:11 PM
Logan Airport is a crummy experience under any circumstance.

If you want to actually PARK and go to a nice QUIET airport go down to Rhode Island...
 
2003-04-18 04:02:41 PM
ummm Dataway, sometimes flights are the only options. I don't want to spend 1/2 my vacation driving if it's likely to cost just as much as flying would. And then it's hard to get across the pond and such in my truck.
 
2003-04-18 04:03:54 PM
Making her remove an underwire bra, eh? I think security could be guilty of glacial profiling.

*rimshot*
 
2003-04-18 04:06:52 PM
Sunbelly

Thanks for reading through all my typos :)

Yeah, you can probably sue them for that - if you can demonstrate that it's harassment and creates a hostile work environment.

You have to decide if it's worth it to sue, though. It's expensive and emotionally draining.

Ask youself - should you have to put up with being called uneducated white trash?
 
2003-04-18 04:13:39 PM
 
2003-04-18 04:14:43 PM
Wh0mprat: "Ask youself - should you have to put up with being called uneducated white trash?"

No, and I would never sue for something like that. I guess what I'd rather know is if I can get away with all the nasty things I've been saving up to say to him and not get fired on the basis that *insert childish whining voice here* "He Started It!!!" and use mental anguish as my excuse.
 
2003-04-18 04:15:27 PM
I hope she sues and wins. I normally hate people that sue, but this is definitely a good reason. For all of those people that think its a good thing to give up your dignity for a false sense of security I have one word for you, Blow me! (ok two words)
 
2003-04-18 04:15:52 PM
This is an example of why lesbians should not ever be put in positions of authority over other women.

This would never have happened with a straight woman security guard. Or a gay guy.
 
2003-04-18 04:17:42 PM
She's basically saying (through her lawyer)... "I'm an emotional mess. I can't function now."

It was wrong and the guard should be punished (even fired if this is really how it went down), but to need a psychologist because some woman made you take off your bra and touched your leg with a wand? What kind of fragile world do we live in?


We don't know everything about this woman. If she's one of the supposedly one in four women that has been raped or sexually assaulted, this sort of sick violation could REALLY emotionally affect her.

Besides, if this thing happened to me, I'd never want to get on a plane again, and planes are her job. There are LOTS of bras out there that have wire in them (some plastic, some metal), so the guards should have been very familiar with this sort of thing.
 
2003-04-18 04:18:03 PM
Just to add, if they tried to detain me for something retarded and wouldn't let me leave and just go home, they'd have to subdue me with tranquilizers to keep me from leaving.
 
2003-04-18 04:18:15 PM
photos?
 
2003-04-18 04:23:13 PM
Or, how about just making airport screeners a little more professional? Like maybe requiring a college education, like the FBI? Oh wait, that would cost even more money.

/Hasn't flown on an airline since 1999
 
2003-04-18 04:24:01 PM
Sunbelly

I see your point - not everything is worth suing over. Like, if they made you clean the toilets (and you're an accountant or something) on the grounds that you're "uneducated white trash" or refused to give you a raise for the same reason, then maybe it's worth it.

If you want to say nasty things back, then GO FOR IT!!! If the guy is such as asshole, give him both barrels. Or, as I've recommended to friends who have been harassed, put a thousand pounds of angry goon on his doorstep and make him say 'OH GOD!!! THE PAAAIN!!!"

Just remember, "He started it" probably won't be useful in a wrongful dismissal case :)
 
2003-04-18 04:24:53 PM
How hard would it be to put a camera and video tape up at every screening point? That would probably do a lot to keep the security monkies in line. It seems to me that they are on a serious power trip ever since they were made into federal employees, complete with a powerful union. Thank you Tom Dachell for screwing us all over.
 
2003-04-18 04:29:34 PM
Where are the pictures? TSG's really going downhill.
 
2003-04-18 04:32:02 PM
Enave: It would make a hell of a lot of sense to put cameras at every screening point. They have them overseeing the registers at McDonald's, for fark's sake. They should definitely be watching someone with that kind of (imagined) power.

But it'd probably be really expensive to implement, and the airlines that are already in trouble would never go for it. But, still, they should.

And just think of all the poor people (bad screeners) losing their love of the job (read: power trip).
 
2003-04-18 04:33:27 PM
Wh0mprat: "Just remember, "He started it" probably won't be useful in a wrongful dismissal case :)"

You know, it never worked as a kid, either.

"Quit hitting your sister!!!!"
 
2003-04-18 04:33:43 PM
We can all rest assured that our airports are now 100% safe though, and as that is the only means through which terrorists will attack us I for one sleep better in my bed at night.
 
2003-04-18 04:35:45 PM
This is why I had my pilots license. Of course I tell my wife I still have to do the security search before and after every flight. Yeck, sometimes even during the flight I use my wand and do a sweep.
 
2003-04-18 04:42:14 PM
I would have thought that someone that works in an area that has metal detectors would know not to carry metal. When I worked at a nuclear power station I knew not to carry any loose uranium in my pocket :)

Who do we see about getting these monkeys distributed? If everyone gets two then we're going to need lots of transportation for them. No underwire bras though.
 
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