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(The New York Times)   Americans on health care bill: Can we just scrap it and start over with a new one? White House: Yes we can   (prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 368
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2010-02-16 10:08:16 PM  
netcentric: They should rename it, for its second fail. Like Obamawelfarecrap.

So this is what the world looks like when viewed from my asshole!
 
2010-02-16 10:09:21 PM  
netcentric: They should rename it, for its second fail. Like Obamawelfarecrap.

I think they should rename all the free public schools this too.
 
2010-02-16 10:10:12 PM  
MorseCodeNowInHiDef: netcentric: They should rename it, for its second fail. Like Obamawelfarecrap.

So this is what the world looks like when viewed from my asshole!


You should know... since your head is already up there
 
2010-02-16 10:13:46 PM  
Irascible: Good! get the public option back in play!

yeah right
 
2010-02-16 10:15:25 PM  
RockChalkH1N1: "I don't know, man, that sounds like a lot of work"

And now we have closure.
 
2010-02-16 10:16:10 PM  
EviLincoln: Please contact their local congressional representative about what they would or wouldn't like to see in the bill.

The ability to biatch on the internet about the issue 24/7 indicates you are interested in the matter.

Now do something real about it.


I just wrote mine and asked for the best health care in the world 4 FREE and to raise taxes on people who make more money than me to pay for it. It's win win, for me.
 
2010-02-16 10:16:13 PM  
soy_bomb: nmemkha: Please get a terminal disease and have your insurance drop you. On your deathbed, think of me ...

How will insurance cure a terminal disease?


Some people with diabetes can manage their condition and live long lives with little pain.

Other people must have both feet amputated and are left blind by the disease.
 
2010-02-16 10:16:43 PM  
Maybe Obama should just say "fark it" to healthcare and just let it spiral out of control. Wonder how long it will take before these teabaggers start biatching about outrageous healthcare costs.
 
2010-02-16 10:17:13 PM  
lennavan: farkuufarkinfark: Perhaps we never really had a crisis after all.

You sound like someone with health care. You're a 20 something self centered douche who cannot possibly imagine being denied health insurance for a pre-existing condition or coming down with a terribly expensive health condition like cancer where you max out your insurance, or lose your job and cannot afford to pay for your own insurance, aren't you?

Wanna know how I knew?


Sure. How do you know?

Actually, I'm 40, and my medical insurance is $115.44/month. A $4 million lifetime benefit and a $2000/yr deductible.

/self-employed and bootstrappy.
 
2010-02-16 10:17:17 PM  
quickdraw: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: You do know more Americans Die each day with insurance than without

citation?


www.2carpros.com
 
2010-02-16 10:19:18 PM  
dennysgod: Wonder how long it will take before these teabaggers start biatching about outrageous healthcare costs.

If we don't get something through I can see Obama on 60 minutes a decade from now - "I told you motherf*ckers."
 
2010-02-16 10:20:40 PM  
Obama care II.
This time it's personal!
 
2010-02-16 10:22:58 PM  
The AlbinoSaxon: quickdraw: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: You do know more Americans Die each day with insurance than without

citation?


Every time that gets me. 1 full second wit-lag then I laugh like a fool.

/Easily amused
 
2010-02-16 10:24:28 PM  
farkuufarkinfark: lennavan: farkuufarkinfark: Perhaps we never really had a crisis after all.

You sound like someone with health care. You're a 20 something self centered douche who cannot possibly imagine being denied health insurance for a pre-existing condition or coming down with a terribly expensive health condition like cancer where you max out your insurance, or lose your job and cannot afford to pay for your own insurance, aren't you?

Wanna know how I knew?

Sure. How do you know?

Actually, I'm 40, and my medical insurance is $115.44/month. A $4 million lifetime benefit and a $2000/yr deductible.

/self-employed and bootstrappy.


blog.mrhacks.com


OH SNAP!
 
2010-02-16 10:26:48 PM  
Some weeks ago I heard Dr. No from the 8th District of Ohio talk about his personal fear of Big Government taking over health care and blah blah blah. I was interested in his concept of Big Government. I went to that font of excellent information, WikiPedia, and looked up health companies then I found how many folks worked at each company. Quite a number of companies didn't list the number of employees but I added up all the ones that did. I found that according to Wiki there are over 535,000 employees working in health care companies.
Remember that this does not include those companies that do not list the number of employees. It then follows that the complaint about Big Government does not apply at all. BTW there are about 1.8 million (most agreed upon number) federal employees not including Postal workers.

The more you know eh?
 
2010-02-16 10:27:01 PM  
dennysgod: Maybe Obama should just say "fark it" to healthcare and just let it spiral out of control. Wonder how long it will take before these teabaggers start biatching about outrageous healthcare costs.

When the boomers start getting to that age when a good portion of them are dying only after a series of expensive end of life treatments that allow them to cling on for a few extra weeks and healthcare is costing close to 1/3 - 1/4 the average salary we'll get single payer I think. 10-12 years at the latest, probably sooner.
 
2010-02-16 10:27:05 PM  
LAst I heard Obama was totally opposed to scrapping the bill. At this point I think it's pretty clear that it would go a lot faster if they went from the ground up, the current draft's only been bogged up for about 3 months now huh?

/Why the fark can't they pass it piecemeal or something? You know, with the parts that people vote for.
 
2010-02-16 10:31:20 PM  
Barakku: /Why the fark can't they pass it piecemeal or something? You know, with the parts that people vote for.

Cost controls aren't popular, but if you don't pass them, you can't pay for the bill.
 
2010-02-16 10:32:17 PM  
ColonelCathcart: Becuz a pikshur sez a thowzand wurds 'n I noe uz farkers kant reed...

Jeez... Not another one.
 
2010-02-16 10:35:58 PM  
FishyFred: Barakku: /Why the fark can't they pass it piecemeal or something? You know, with the parts that people vote for.

Cost controls aren't popular, but if you don't pass them, you can't pay for the bill.


Some could be, like opening up the med/nursing schools. UT @ Austin has over 50k students, but only graduates 50 nurses a year or so. One of the hospital systems around here actually offered them a not insignificant chunk of money to expand. Unfortunately it would take both parties to to support it, and if either one brought it up, I think the other one would smash them in the mouth.
 
2010-02-16 10:37:38 PM  
Barakku: LAst I heard Obama was totally opposed to scrapping the bill. At this point I think it's pretty clear that it would go a lot faster if they went from the ground up, the current draft's only been bogged up for about 3 months now huh?

/Why the fark can't they pass it piecemeal or something? You know, with the parts that people vote for.


Don't talk common sense.

It's all what I want or run it into the ground! YEEAAAAHHH!!!!!
 
2010-02-16 10:38:39 PM  
badLogic: BuckTurgidson: Yes!

Single payer? I wish.

Robust public option with unrestricted opt-in? DO IT!

Page 47 is a photograph of an extended middle finger directed at PhRMA, the health-insurance lobby, and their blue-dog servants? That would rock too.

I think the opt-out would be funnier to watch. As all the Republican states will have to try and explain to their "voters" why they took away their healthcare.


I meant individual opt-in regardless of income, but statewide opt-out as you describe would ensue hilarity.
 
2010-02-16 10:45:18 PM  
7of7 [TotalFark] Quote 2010-02-16 04:55:28 PM
If the new bill has single payer I'm all for it.



if it has single payer, it will fail even more than the last Obama debacle.

There's a reason Dems, even with a 60 vote majority in the Senate didn't have the stones to even try to go there.


The majority of Americans have not, and never will accept that bullshiat.


But actually, I hope a whole bunch of dipshiat Democrats put their balls and/or tits on the block and go for it. that way they will all be voted out of office in 2010.


Seriously, bring it on douchebag!
 
2010-02-16 10:50:19 PM  
7of7 [TotalFark] 2010-02-16 04:55:28 PM
If the new bill has single payer I'm all for it.


UNC_Samurai [TotalFark] 2010-02-16 04:58:38 PM
Difficulty: Must include single-payer system.

Ha Ha!
Killed it the first time
Will kill it again
Ha Ha!
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We, the People
do not like
Hillery, nor;
anything she has excreted
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Got it?
 
2010-02-16 10:52:40 PM  
Good.

1) NO special deals for anybody.

2) Make the ignorant people understand that medicare/medicaid=socialized medicine, please. Please?

3) Make BigPharma start paying-back to the human race, yo. Now.

4) Make Mega-Insurance understand that stream-lining is good for everybody...

5) Make remember: every human has value. Every human deserves the right to live once lived. At the very least: every human living in the richest country on earth deserves to be cared-for when sick, held-up when poor, and secured when in crisis...please...you claim patriotism? Show me your heart. Show me your wealth...

6) Show me your patriotism.

7) Peace.
 
2010-02-16 11:03:48 PM  
It will never get done because this is the next thing to make people vote in one direction or the other. As long as there are people whining in both directions it is just too valuable of a political commodity to end the debate.
 
2010-02-16 11:04:19 PM  
GAT_00: If 'new bill' is language for 'bill that isn't an insurance industry handout and does what the President actually wants' then this is a good thing. If they are going to do a real new bill, then it should be written by the White House, submitted by suitably liberal members of the House and Senate, co-sponsored by everyone possible and rammed through. If the GOP filibusters again, make them stand up and read bullshiat. Then cover the airwaves with images of the GOP preventing a straight up and down vote, with notes of how many Americans die every day without insurance.

Oooh. Telethon style with a body count ticking up on the bottom of the screen. 3 days of non stop feed on all the cable news channels and the GOP will give up that idea.
 
2010-02-16 11:04:24 PM  
BuckTurgidson: badLogic: BuckTurgidson: Yes!

Single payer? I wish.

Robust public option with unrestricted opt-in? DO IT!

Page 47 is a photograph of an extended middle finger directed at PhRMA, the health-insurance lobby, and their blue-dog servants? That would rock too.

I think the opt-out would be funnier to watch. As all the Republican states will have to try and explain to their "voters" why they took away their healthcare.

I meant individual opt-in regardless of income, but statewide opt-out as you describe would ensue hilarity.


Missouri wants to do this! It'd be funny to stand back and laugh at the foolishness- but unfortunately people actually die when they don't get proper health treatment.

/my state is full of rednecks :( they don't even have good reasons for hating health care.. the normal one is that obama is a muslim who just wants to steal their money and give it to poor, brown people
 
2010-02-16 11:05:15 PM  
Sigh... a merged version of the House and Senate bills is not starting over, it's the normal process.

Moreover, it's leverage. The Republicans start screwing around, you pass the Senate version with a reconciliation bill amending the Senate version to the compromise version and you're done.
 
2010-02-16 11:07:00 PM  
Indubitably: 5) Make remember: every human has value. Every human deserves the right to live once lived. At the very least: every human living in the richest country on earth deserves to be cared-for when sick, held-up when poor, and secured when in crisis...please...you claim patriotism? Show me your heart. Show me your wealth...

You don't know a lot of people, do you?
 
2010-02-16 11:13:31 PM  
FubarBDilligaf: Indubitably: 5) Make remember: every human has value. Every human deserves the right to live once lived. At the very least: every human living in the richest country on earth deserves to be cared-for when sick, held-up when poor, and secured when in crisis...please...you claim patriotism? Show me your heart. Show me your wealth...

You don't know a lot of people, do you?


Um, actually, yeah, I do.

And you, Mr. Snide?
 
2010-02-16 11:23:02 PM  
FubarBDilligaf: Indubitably: 5) Make remember: every human has value. Every human deserves the right to live once lived. At the very least: every human living in the richest country on earth deserves to be cared-for when sick, held-up when poor, and secured when in crisis...please...you claim patriotism? Show me your heart. Show me your wealth...

You don't know a lot of people, do you?


So, the inference is that people aren't wealthy, right?

Or am I off-base?

Maybe so. Here's my read: when's the last American who reads this regularly gone hungry? Who can't put rice or beans together tonight?

Can you, yo?

Me too. I have shelter as well. AND, if I have a medical emergency tonight, I will be admitted, cared for, and hopefully saved from my emergency. Sure, I'll have to pay some dough, but shiat, at least I was saved, no?

You do realize we all pay regardless of coverage, right?
 
2010-02-16 11:27:50 PM  
An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: GAT_00: If 'new bill' is language for 'bill that isn't an insurance industry handout and does what the President actually wants' then this is a good thing. If they are going to do a real new bill, then it should be written by the White House, submitted by suitably liberal members of the House and Senate, co-sponsored by everyone possible and rammed through. If the GOP filibusters again, make them stand up and read bullshiat. Then cover the airwaves with images of the GOP preventing a straight up and down vote, with notes of how many Americans die every day without insurance.

You do know more Americans Die each day with insurance than without. Now lets actually find out how many died because of lack of insurance and how many died because insurance farked things up before we go all moonbatty.


Yes, more people die because they have insurance. Derp.
 
2010-02-16 11:29:05 PM  
RembrandtQEinstein: You know how how the pinkos say everyone should have the same insurance as congress/federal employees? Well I agree but I have one condition.

The federal government as an employer should be required by law to stop providing health insurance. And every federal employee from congresscritter to national park dog doo picker upper needs to be required by law to purchase his insurance if any on the individual market.

Poof...suddenly 2+ million people with decent paying jobs purchasing insurance on the individual market. You will see competition, lower prices, and better service instantly.

Of course the anti-individualists hate this idea because they can't stand anything that isn't run by the government, but they will get over it.


Perhaps you should just get back to masturbating to Atlas Shrugged and leave the discussion to people with sufficiently developed cerebral cortices.

/inflammatory enough for Fark standards?
//I'm new to the whole ITG thing
 
2010-02-16 11:29:17 PM  
Indubitably: FubarBDilligaf: Indubitably: 5) Make remember: every human has value. Every human deserves the right to live once lived. At the very least: every human living in the richest country on earth deserves to be cared-for when sick, held-up when poor, and secured when in crisis...please...you claim patriotism? Show me your heart. Show me your wealth...

You don't know a lot of people, do you?

So, the inference is that people aren't wealthy, right?

Or am I off-base?

Maybe so. Here's my read: when's the last American who reads this regularly gone hungry? Who can't put rice or beans together tonight?

Can you, yo?

Me too. I have shelter as well. AND, if I have a medical emergency tonight, I will be admitted, cared for, and hopefully saved from my emergency. Sure, I'll have to pay some dough, but shiat, at least I was saved, no?

You do realize we all pay regardless of coverage, right?


No, the inference is humans don't deserve to live unless Fubar says they do.
 
2010-02-16 11:29:21 PM  
I would be happy if I could just get insurance. I have a pre-existing condition that has never required hospitalization, is treated cheaply but is a lifelong issue so I have been denied coverage by everyone from Aetna to Bluecross, the only option I have is a state pool for the uninsurable at my income rate its $1,600 a month for coverage just for me. I just cant afford that.

For now my doctor is the Walgreens Take Care clinic, if its more serious than that well there is always robatussin.

Im not looking for handouts...just fairness. What some people dont seem to comprehend is that its not taking money from the rich to give coverage to lazy people...most of those are already covered by medicare. There is a large group of people who would gladly pay for healthcare if they could get it at a rate that wouldnt mean lossing their house, you shouldnt have to make a choice between getting healthcare and feeding your family.
 
2010-02-16 11:29:58 PM  
aaronius: RembrandtQEinstein: You know how how the pinkos say everyone should have the same insurance as congress/federal employees? Well I agree but I have one condition.

The federal government as an employer should be required by law to stop providing health insurance. And every federal employee from congresscritter to national park dog doo picker upper needs to be required by law to purchase his insurance if any on the individual market.

Poof...suddenly 2+ million people with decent paying jobs purchasing insurance on the individual market. You will see competition, lower prices, and better service instantly.

Of course the anti-individualists hate this idea because they can't stand anything that isn't run by the government, but they will get over it.

Perhaps you should just get back to masturbating to Atlas Shrugged and leave the discussion to people with sufficiently developed cerebral cortices.

/inflammatory enough for Fark standards?
//I'm new to the whole ITG thing


I thought it was good stuff. You have my approval.
 
2010-02-16 11:33:18 PM  
Listen jackass: No one who gets treated in a hospital pays for it out of pocket. They all either got a hand out from a government program or a private insurance company. Besides I give my money to people who haven't earned it all the time. That money is called "profit", and the people are called "capitalists" -- or sometimes "investors" because that sounds nicer. And, yes they constantly ask for a hand out. The term for this is "advertising".
 
2010-02-16 11:33:25 PM  
Sabyen91: Indubitably: FubarBDilligaf: Indubitably: 5) Make remember: every human has value. Every human deserves the right to live once lived. At the very least: every human living in the richest country on earth deserves to be cared-for when sick, held-up when poor, and secured when in crisis...please...you claim patriotism? Show me your heart. Show me your wealth...

You don't know a lot of people, do you?

So, the inference is that people aren't wealthy, right?

Or am I off-base?

Maybe so. Here's my read: when's the last American who reads this regularly gone hungry? Who can't put rice or beans together tonight?

Can you, yo?

Me too. I have shelter as well. AND, if I have a medical emergency tonight, I will be admitted, cared for, and hopefully saved from my emergency. Sure, I'll have to pay some dough, but shiat, at least I was saved, no?

You do realize we all pay regardless of coverage, right?

No, the inference is humans don't deserve to live unless Fubar says they do.


Indeed.

Greetings again, Sabyen... ;)
 
2010-02-16 11:33:47 PM  
snocone: The public gets access to same health insurance that the public buys for Congress.

Congress does not get free healthcare. Stop saying that bullshiat.
 
2010-02-16 11:35:25 PM  
Stibium: snocone: The public gets access to same health insurance that the public buys for Congress.

Congress does not get free healthcare insurance. Stop saying that bullshiat.


Dammit.
 
2010-02-16 11:36:10 PM  
Sabyen91: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: GAT_00: If 'new bill' is language for 'bill that isn't an insurance industry handout and does what the President actually wants' then this is a good thing. If they are going to do a real new bill, then it should be written by the White House, submitted by suitably liberal members of the House and Senate, co-sponsored by everyone possible and rammed through. If the GOP filibusters again, make them stand up and read bullshiat. Then cover the airwaves with images of the GOP preventing a straight up and down vote, with notes of how many Americans die every day without insurance.

You do know more Americans Die each day with insurance than without. Now lets actually find out how many died because of lack of insurance and how many died because insurance farked things up before we go all moonbatty.


Yes, more people die because they have insurance. Derp.


Oh, don't you know? They think that the numerous scientific studies all share the same flaw that they don't take into account the pre-load of 'people who were going to die anyway regardless of coverage'.

It's amazing the lengths people will go to shill for their corporate masters with no possibility of benefit.

And no, i don't think all corporations are evil. But shilling for them against your best interests promotes their interests, which are only as good and decent as they need to be to avoid bad press.

/Reminds me of "you know those sample audiences aren't large enough! ...And they don't take into account... homes that have more than two television sets!

I hate you Ron Burgundy! I HATE YOU!"
 
2010-02-16 11:36:21 PM  
CanonicalNerd Listen jackass: No one who gets treated in a hospital pays for it out of pocket. They all either got a hand out from a government program or a private insurance company. Besides I give my money to people who haven't earned it all the time. That money is called "profit", and the people are called "capitalists" -- or sometimes "investors" because that sounds nicer. And, yes they constantly ask for a hand out. The term for this is "advertising".



you are right we just had a baby and because I have kick ass insurance I had no out of pocket expenses not even a copay

you are idiot
 
2010-02-16 11:42:04 PM  
Indubitably: And you, Mr. Snide?

I do as well, and I can think of a few that really don't have any value, you can start with my wife's ex, then there's a cousin I have you could add to that. Simply being alive doesn't give a person "value", and there are people in our society who actively take value away from the society. As to what they "deserve", I'd agree that you deserve help you can't provide for yourself, I'd disagree to deserving help you refused to provide on your own. Somewhere in all that you've said you've left out the idea of self responsibility. If you could have afforded health insurance, but chose not to get it because you wanted the newer car, or the xbox, or the night out, or cable, or whatever, why then is it the responsibility of others to provide for you what you chose not to have? That's something that I think a lot of others agree with me about, we're willing to help those who can't do it on their own, but we have no interest in paying for people who could have, but chose not to.



Indubitably: Or am I off-base?

Yep. I grew up on red beans and rice, I understand what it's like to be poor, and I'm all for helping those that need it. Just, like I've said, I draw a distinction between those who need, and those who prefer to allow someone else to pay for them.
 
2010-02-16 11:44:26 PM  
brukmann: Sabyen91: An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: GAT_00: If 'new bill' is language for 'bill that isn't an insurance industry handout and does what the President actually wants' then this is a good thing. If they are going to do a real new bill, then it should be written by the White House, submitted by suitably liberal members of the House and Senate, co-sponsored by everyone possible and rammed through. If the GOP filibusters again, make them stand up and read bullshiat. Then cover the airwaves with images of the GOP preventing a straight up and down vote, with notes of how many Americans die every day without insurance.

You do know more Americans Die each day with insurance than without. Now lets actually find out how many died because of lack of insurance and how many died because insurance farked things up before we go all moonbatty.

Yes, more people die because they have insurance. Derp.

Oh, don't you know? They think that the numerous scientific studies all share the same flaw that they don't take into account the pre-load of 'people who were going to die anyway regardless of coverage'.

It's amazing the lengths people will go to shill for their corporate masters with no possibility of benefit.

And no, i don't think all corporations are evil. But shilling for them against your best interests promotes their interests, which are only as good and decent as they need to be to avoid bad press.

/Reminds me of "you know those sample audiences aren't large enough! ...And they don't take into account... homes that have more than two television sets!

I hate you Ron Burgundy! I HATE YOU!"


I am a corporate accountant. I am certainly not anti-corporation. I also know the dirty shiat some of them do. To trust them to pay for health care is...really masochistic.
 
2010-02-16 11:47:50 PM  
blueraja: I would be happy if I could just get insurance. I have a pre-existing condition that has never required hospitalization, is treated cheaply but is a lifelong issue so I have been denied coverage by everyone from Aetna to Bluecross, the only option I have is a state pool for the uninsurable at my income rate its $1,600 a month for coverage just for me. I just cant afford that.

For now my doctor is the Walgreens Take Care clinic, if its more serious than that well there is always robatussin.

Im not looking for handouts...just fairness. What some people dont seem to comprehend is that its not taking money from the rich to give coverage to lazy people...most of those are already covered by medicare. There is a large group of people who would gladly pay for healthcare if they could get it at a rate that wouldnt mean lossing their house, you shouldnt have to make a choice between getting healthcare and feeding your family.


I'm sorry, but you have to die for the good of rich people. You see, there is enough to go around, but to make sure the people who were born into money or had the opportunity to go to an elite school (or not!) get what they deserve (everything), you have to die. What you want is called WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION. Bad, very bad. Reagan made sure it died together with the American tradition of progressive taxation.

BUT HANG IN THERE! Pretty soon us Reaganauts will undermine progressive thought in America and we will be well on our way to creating so much growth (again, by allowing the richest, who stand on the necks of most Americans, to profit eternally on the corpse of a magnificent country without fear of taxation), that all ships will be lifted out of the Okeechobee swamp-like lake tide... rising boats... or something... Anyway, don't fret. You might die, but it's for the good of America.
 
2010-02-16 11:48:08 PM  
I want single payer
 
2010-02-16 11:49:17 PM  
FubarBDilligaf: Indubitably: And you, Mr. Snide?

I do as well, and I can think of a few that really don't have any value, you can start with my wife's ex, then there's a cousin I have you could add to that. Simply being alive doesn't give a person "value", and there are people in our society who actively take value away from the society. As to what they "deserve", I'd agree that you deserve help you can't provide for yourself, I'd disagree to deserving help you refused to provide on your own. Somewhere in all that you've said you've left out the idea of self responsibility. If you could have afforded health insurance, but chose not to get it because you wanted the newer car, or the xbox, or the night out, or cable, or whatever, why then is it the responsibility of others to provide for you what you chose not to have? That's something that I think a lot of others agree with me about, we're willing to help those who can't do it on their own, but we have no interest in paying for people who could have, but chose not to.



Indubitably: Or am I off-base?

Yep. I grew up on red beans and rice, I understand what it's like to be poor, and I'm all for helping those that need it. Just, like I've said, I draw a distinction between those who need, and those who prefer to allow someone else to pay for them.


And who is the "other" ?
 
2010-02-16 11:49:26 PM  
spidermilk: Missouri wants to do this! It'd be funny to stand back and laugh at the foolishness- but unfortunately people actually die when they don't get proper health treatment.

/my state is full of rednecks :( they don't even have good reasons for hating health care.. the normal one is that obama is a muslim who just wants to steal their money and give it to poor, brown people


It would be funny, but as you say, these are real people. Americans, my countrymen. Many of whom are cynically manipulated into advocating and voting directly against their direct, concrete interests.

And when organizations like Remote Area Medical (which used to spend their time in places like Uganda and Tanzania and Honduras) come to their area these same people travel for days and line up overnight for a remote chance at basic health and dental care they could never otherwise be able to afford.

I enjoy no schadenfreude.
 
2010-02-16 11:50:09 PM  
Rarkus I want single payer


than by all means pay for it your self (single payer)
 
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