I would also enjoy a single payer option. Probably wouldn't use it myself, but I'd like to see it out there.

Boehner will still cry about it.

AMERICANS ARE TIRED OF SUSPENDERS!!

FARTBAMA IS TRYING TO SELL OUR SOCKS!!

Blah, blah, blah... Americans are fed up.



and yet every single day you manage to summon up the strength to shiat in your own mouth and start talking.

bravo.

It is not that I don't want the current system fixed...or that I am a little nervous about more government involvement in the healthcare system, or even that I am somewhat concerned about getting the bill for half the third-world's health expenses....

The problem is that I just don't trust Congress (Democrats, Republicans, whoever) to come up with a way to do it that is in anyway sensible, and doesn't make a bigger clusterfark out of the current mess.

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: You do know more Americans Die each day with insurance than without

citation?

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Do you have any valid stats to back up your claim that giving everyone insurance will keep everyone alive?

This bill is about insurance reform on all levels - not just who can afford it.

Simple;
The public gets access to same health insurance that the public buys for Congress.
Ban every insurance and pharma lobbyist until legislation is passed.

What problem?

7of7: If the new bill has single payer I'm all for it.

Like I said in a post last week: Do it right, or don't do it at all.

None of this "some people get gov't insurance" or "marketplaces for coverage" or any of that crap. Socialize the entire damn thing or do nothing.

Half measures are going to produce something costly and ineffective. Going all the way with the concept will produce something costly and partially effective. There is no need to spend us into the ground needlessly and so if we're going to spend it, spend it right!

With single payer, we'll at least get something working until the government robs the program blind like social security or can't meet the medical needs of an aging/growing population like with medicare. At that point we revisit the issue and figure out what changes need to be made in order to continue covering everyone.

That, or nothing. If I'm going to pay for it, I want to pay for something that's worth a shiat -- even for only 20, 30 years.

Gato Negro: Blah, blah, blah... Americans are fed up.


You know ... I'd really like to believe that you're just a troll.

But, no, I think you're actually a genuine believer of an idiot.

Reminder: If it's good for insurance companies, it's probably not so good for people.

GAT_00: mediablitz: Give us the House bill MINUS the "you must join" part and I am in.

I'd accept that. The mandatory part should only exist if a free/subsidized form, in a public option or single payer, exists.

You mean...Medicaid?

mediablitz: Give us the House bill MINUS the "you must join" part and I am in.

Everyone has to be in for it to work. Otherwise the rational thing to do is to not buy insurance until you're sick, and then only sick people will have insurance and it will be extraordinarily expensive which sort of defeats the purpose.

But you need a public option too, to guard against the threat of oligopolists rigging the system in insurance markets. In most places there are only a few insurance providers.

The moment I began hearing talk about dropping the mandate is when I knew health care reform was in trouble. You can't pass it without a mandate and expect anything but complete failure. Restricting underwriting practices that harshly without a mandate that covers at least a good portion of the population will never work.

GaryPDX: Splicing together two half turds is still a turd.

But I'm sure you voted McCain-Palin anyways.

mediablitz: I'm talking about the "if you don't pay, we (insert whatever the latest proposal is here)" amendment.

We what? Fine you or what?

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Actually it looks like a massive influx of $ into the insurance industry scam.

That's why it needs to be rewritten.

I'm sure the process will go much better the second time. I can't imagine the GOP would have the gall to obstruct, delay, posture and then bail on the bill a second time. I can see no fault in this cunning plan.