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2010-02-16 04:06:49 PM  
You'll be able to do just about any farking thing with your PS3 except play Gran Turismo 5. Just let Polyphony Digital release the goddamn game already, Sony, you farking wankers.

/fanboy rant off
 
2010-02-16 04:07:23 PM  
Mine can do all of the above. Also, I love the fact that Sony lost $390 on every unit sold when it was made, just because the new ones DO NOT DO EVERYTHING. Bungholes.
 
2010-02-16 04:07:26 PM  
My PS3 plays PS2 games just fine. Plus, thanks to the Netflix streaming disc, I'm burning through my Netflix queue like [random hefty celebrity] eating [random junk food item, plural].

I just watched all of Torchwood: Children of Earth, then played the Heavy Rain demo.
 
2010-02-16 04:15:44 PM  
Honestly, ever since I got my PS3 (over a year and a half ago) I think I have played ONE PS2 game.

Same with my Xbox 360. One, maybe two original Xbox games.

BC doesn't concern me all that much, and I don't get why people get their panties in a wad over it. If you have PS2 games lying around, then you probably already have a PS2 as well, so why not just use that? If you don't and you want to explore the PS2 library, then yeah it kind of sucks, but let's be honest. How many people out there REALLY get a PS3 to play PS2 games on? I'm willing to bet the percentage isn't that high.
 
2010-02-16 04:17:36 PM  

Keywork99: BC doesn't concern me all that much, and I don't get why people get their panties in a wad over it. If you have PS2 games lying around, then you probably already have a PS2 as well, so why not just use that? If you don't and you want to explore the PS2 library, then yeah it kind of sucks, but let's be honest. How many people out there REALLY get a PS3 to play PS2 games on? I'm willing to bet the percentage isn't that high.


Precisely the opposite reason - if I get a PS3 to get The Last Guardian, I'm going to want Team Ico's other offerings too. I never got around to playing Shadow of the Colossus.
 
2010-02-16 04:19:58 PM  

luken8r: spleef420: panoplos: kotaku wont open here at work. For anyone that doesnt know, go to tversity.com and set your ps3 up as an all around media server. Movies, tv shows, etc.. I even cancelled my cable.

tversity doesn't support .mkv (blu-ray), PS3 Media Server does.

It took me about 30 seconds on the googles to find a mkv2vob converter specifically for the PS3.


It's a fantastic program, too
 
2010-02-16 04:21:45 PM  

luken8r:
It took me about 30 seconds on the googles to find a mkv2vob converter specifically for the PS3.


PS3MS streams .mkv with no issue whatsoever. why the hell would I convert it to another format and lose quality? You can just transfer the .mkv to the PS3 and play it right off of the hard drive.

BumpInTheNight: Ah well, my own runs on a dedicated dedicated box with 4gb of ram so its not a big issue but yah I could see that as a major downside if you're running it off a multi-role computer.


this is why my new "do it all" machine has 16GB of RAM :D PS3MS kills my crappy 8-year-old Dell
 
2010-02-16 04:29:09 PM  

This: Keywork99: BC doesn't concern me all that much, and I don't get why people get their panties in a wad over it. If you have PS2 games lying around, then you probably already have a PS2 as well, so why not just use that? If you don't and you want to explore the PS2 library, then yeah it kind of sucks, but let's be honest. How many people out there REALLY get a PS3 to play PS2 games on? I'm willing to bet the percentage isn't that high.

Precisely the opposite reason - if I get a PS3 to get The Last Guardian, I'm going to want Team Ico's other offerings too. I never got around to playing Shadow of the Colossus.


That's fine, but Team Ico games are fairly niche. How many people are going to do the same as you?

People who want BC in their PS3 are a very vocal minority, but they're still a minority. The average person buying a PS3 wants it for PS3 games.

Would it be nice to have PS2 compatibility? Sure. But most people buy a PS3 to play PS3 games on.
 
2010-02-16 04:29:32 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Me too.

But I don't. I didn't buy a PS3 to play PS2 games.


+1

I get pissed off even when I buy a $5-10 downloadable and it turns out to be 480. I want to blow shiat up in HD goddammit!


Plus, aren't NEW PS2s like $100? That's about two new games on a PS3. So if you really have a pile of old PS2 games, it seems like you have a solution....
 
2010-02-16 04:33:07 PM  

Keywork99: Would it be nice to have PS2 compatibility? Sure. But most people buy a PS3 to play PS3 games on.


Here's the thing: If I bought a PS3 (am mostly PC gaming now) I would pay a hundred bucks for an upgrade module that would add PS2 BC to a PS3-slim. That's twice what I'd pay at EB for a used PS2, but I want the wireless and the integration into the existing media-system.
 
2010-02-16 04:38:14 PM  

This: Keywork99: Would it be nice to have PS2 compatibility? Sure. But most people buy a PS3 to play PS3 games on.

Here's the thing: If I bought a PS3 (am mostly PC gaming now) I would pay a hundred bucks for an upgrade module that would add PS2 BC to a PS3-slim. That's twice what I'd pay at EB for a used PS2, but I want the wireless and the integration into the existing media-system.


I'm with you. As I said, I think PS2 compatibility would be a very nice feature. Yeah, I would pay for some sort of upgrade to do it, whether it was some sort of attachment to put on the PS3 or even buy the emulation software on the PSN. My comment was more aimed at people who are so gung-ho about completely avoiding the PS3 simply because it won't play PS2 games. It's really cutting off your nose to spite your face, I think. There are some incredible gaming experiences to be had with the PS3 (hell, I just pre-ordered Heavy Rain this morning), but some people are gonna miss out because they're all like, "Screw them since it won't play my old games."

Mind you, I'm not trying to sound like a fanboy. I own a PS3, a 360, and a Wii, and I play them all and enjoy them all for different reasons. I just don't understand why someone who fancies themself as a gamer would do something like this.
 
2010-02-16 04:39:36 PM  
I have yet to meet the person who has a ton of PS2 games they want to play, yet doesn't have a PS2... I'm sure this is a major issue somewhere in fantasy land.

However, I have met numerous people who have a 360 and can't play original xbox games or 360 games, cause their 360 RROD'd.
 
2010-02-16 04:48:02 PM  
Goodness, there's a little fanboyism in this thread.
 
2010-02-16 04:52:18 PM  

jevman: cause their 360 RROD'd.


RROD issue is a long goner at this point. All the systems that had the issued have either been warrantied or will be pretty soon here....no the new issue is the older optical drives which attempt lift off when the bearings start to wear.

But its an easy fix since you can purchase replacement drives OEM and put them in pretty damn easy.

Thats the thing I like about the 360, coming from a PC gamer, repairing my own console twice sorta came naturally.
 
2010-02-16 05:09:04 PM  

moothemagiccow: MrFi5ter: Considering you can buy a ps2 for about $20 on craigslist, I don't see what the big fuss about losing BC is.

I figured it out as soon as the PS3 was up and running. It's not a game system. It's a computer-based entertainment system. You can stream TV & movies from your computer or the PS store, you can play music, go online, watch DVDs and Blurays... most of the time my TV is on, my PS3 is on as well. I can even use my TV remote to go through the menus and play DVDs.

Plugging in and hooking up another (bigger, louder) system and switching to that source just to play one round of Shadow of the Colossus is a pain you shouldn't have to bother with.


That was the exact game I was going to break out for my buddy to see sometime soon after I thought about it last night. Saw this thread and frowned. But I think he's good...
 
2010-02-16 05:12:01 PM  
Backwards compatibility is dead. From now on the industry standard will be to try to convince us to pay another $10 or $20 to purchase again a second copy of a game we already own. Sony had working software emulation in the PS3 that didn't add a single dollar to the manufacturing cost, and they killed it for seemingly no reason. They are obviously paving the way for when they start putting entire PS2 games on the PS Network.
 
2010-02-16 05:16:48 PM  

Keywork99: BC doesn't concern me all that much, and I don't get why people get their panties in a wad over it. If you have PS2 games lying around, then you probably already have a PS2 as well, so why not just use that? If you don't and you want to explore the PS2 library, then yeah it kind of sucks, but let's be honest. How many people out there REALLY get a PS3 to play PS2 games on? I'm willing to bet the percentage isn't that high.


Precedent - PS2 had BC with PS1
Convenience - Why have two systems when the newer one can do all
Appeal - More features increase the appeal of the system you are selling
Competition - Microsoft & Nintendo do it

I have plenty of PS2 games I'd love to play again, but my last PS2 broke. I don't want to buy a new or used one as I've jumped to the current gen systems (and platforms). It would be awesome to just take those to my one friend that has a PS3 and enjoy some nostalgia. Or, if I ever do get a Blu Ray player, it probably would be the PS3, which is even more reason for me to get one (BC).
 
2010-02-16 05:18:37 PM  

Tommy Moo: Sony had working software emulation in the PS3 that didn't add a single dollar to the manufacturing cost, and they killed it for seemingly no reason.


iirc, the software emulation only emulated the processor - the video chipset was still additional hardware. I might have it backwards... but either way, PS2 BC required support from multiple chips, emulation only replaced _one_ of those chips. The remaining chips still had the cost of hardware support associated with them.
 
2010-02-16 05:21:25 PM  
Scrotastic Method:
I dunno what PlayOn is, but PS3 Media Server is the greatest software ever written.

Think of PlayOn being the streaming media (Hulu, Netflix, Amazon video, various other services) equivalent of what PS3 Media Server does for files on your local server. It's not free like PS3M, but it is inexpensive, and has an open API for making plugins (which many people have done, and there is an ever-growing library). Also its Windows only, unfortunately - not cross-platform like PS3M. And yes, you can run PS3M and PlayOn at the same time - they'll just appear like two different media servers on the PS3 menu.
 
2010-02-16 05:22:08 PM  
Damnit, didn't edit tags correctly before confirming the post :o(
 
2010-02-16 05:26:58 PM  

IdBeCrazyIf: jevman: cause their 360 RROD'd.

RROD issue is a long goner at this point. All the systems that had the issued have either been warrantied or will be pretty soon here....no the new issue is the older optical drives which attempt lift off when the bearings start to wear.

But its an easy fix since you can purchase replacement drives OEM and put them in pretty damn easy.

Thats the thing I like about the 360, coming from a PC gamer, repairing my own console twice sorta came naturally.


When you say easily, do you play online? Did you flash the drive or use another method? I had a drive go out and would have done it myself but after some googling got nervous it might get me banned...
 
2010-02-16 05:32:58 PM  

The Kitchen Ninja: you can run PS3M and PlayOn at the same time - they'll just appear like two different media servers on the PS3 menu.


you can run as many media server apps as your RAM can handle. I run PS3, Tversity, Vuze and WMS at the same time. They tend to crash when PS3MS eats the RAM though.

I'm slowly building a central server right now so I can consolidate all of the media between four other machines, about 8TB total and growing steadily.
 
2010-02-16 05:49:36 PM  

luken8r: It took me about 30 seconds on the googles to find a mkv2vob converter specifically for the PS3.


Well ain't that a step backwards.

Anybody have a DTS-to-8-track converter they recommend? I want to listen to my DVD-Audio collection through the quadraphonic system in my 1973 Plymouth Barracuda.
 
2010-02-16 06:02:51 PM  

Tommy Moo: Backwards compatibility is dead. From now on the industry standard will be to try to convince us to pay another $10 or $20 to purchase again a second copy of a game we already own. Sony had working software emulation in the PS3 that didn't add a single dollar to the manufacturing cost, and they killed it for seemingly no reason. They are obviously paving the way for when they start putting entire PS2 games on the PS Network.


Ah, no, they didn't. They have always had to use bits and pieces of the ps2's chipset to do BC on the ps2. One had partial software emulation, but still used some ps2 chips.
 
2010-02-16 06:08:23 PM  
I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.
 
rmz
2010-02-16 06:14:02 PM  

Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.


Valkyria Chronicles is pretty good if there's any bone in your bone that likes strategy games or RPGs.
 
rmz
2010-02-16 06:14:38 PM  
...bone in your body.
 
2010-02-16 06:33:02 PM  

Scrotastic Method: layOn


Do a Google for PlayOn, sometimes you can catch it on sale for $20

Allows access to Youtube, Hulu, CNN, CBS, Amazon VOD, Netflix.

Watching Hulu via the XMB interface is a farking dream!
 
2010-02-16 06:37:36 PM  
I did buy my PS3 to play PS2 games on.
Best $500 I ever spent. Never played the PS2 before then, was more of a Gamecube guy.

//PS3, 360, wii, PC, Dreamcast, Saturn

Both my PS3 and 360 have 20GB drives, and I will never download "games" on to them directly.
 
2010-02-16 06:41:26 PM  

mynameismark: And yet another reason why PS3s are better than Xbox 360s.


You mean the Xbox 360 that's doing the same thing, only sooner and for less money?
 
2010-02-16 06:42:08 PM  

Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.


Metal Gear Solid 4, Heavy Rain (when it comes out), what exactly do you enjoy playing?
 
2010-02-16 06:47:49 PM  

MrBigglesworth: Scrotastic Method: layOn

Do a Google for PlayOn, sometimes you can catch it on sale for $20

Allows access to Youtube, Hulu, CNN, CBS, Amazon VOD, Netflix.

Watching Hulu via the XMB interface is a farking dream!


meh...Tversity allows the same access with the pro version (which is also cheaper) and it's not a time restricted demo. Neither of these will stream HD files and PlayOn local media streaming is just now in beta, it barely works.

PS3 Media Server and Tversity Pro will work better and cost less.
 
2010-02-16 07:05:11 PM  

Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.


Little Big Planet?
 
2010-02-16 07:06:07 PM  
psxu.com

What backwards compatibility may look like.
 
2010-02-16 07:07:03 PM  
Antimatter: They will downplay it till they have a software emulation solution in place.

I thought they had a software (or at least a partially software) solution in place. And that it was cut to reduce the amount of money they lose per console sale.
 
2010-02-16 07:25:42 PM  
You can buy certain PS1 and 2 games through the PS Store, correct?

/Looking forward to Heavy Rain regardless.
 
2010-02-16 07:35:30 PM  

lordargent: Antimatter: They will downplay it till they have a software emulation solution in place.

I thought they had a software (or at least a partially software) solution in place. And that it was cut to reduce the amount of money they lose per console sale.


It was a partial solution. They wanted to stop having to include ps2 parts, as no one wants to rely on decade old parts.
 
2010-02-16 07:36:28 PM  

WFern: You can buy certain PS1 and 2 games through the PS Store, correct?

/Looking forward to Heavy Rain regardless.


Correct. Those should run find on any PS3, no matter if they have backwards compatibility for PS2 games.
 
2010-02-16 07:49:01 PM  

Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.


Little Big Planet and God of War Collection if you don't already have it. Add the first Uncharted too, but rent it if you can. I loved it, but didn't need to own it.
 
2010-02-16 07:49:39 PM  
I completely passed over the God of War Collection on your list. Oops.
 
2010-02-16 07:52:10 PM  

arsonik: Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.

Little Big Planet and God of War Collection if you don't already have it. Add the first Uncharted too, but rent it if you can. I loved it, but didn't need to own it.



You should also get Infamous.
 
2010-02-16 07:52:17 PM  
Mine can play PS2 games, but I only have one left. Hulk: Ultimate Destruction. Good stuff.
 
2010-02-16 08:02:11 PM  
Question: I see a lot of PSP games on the PS Network. I don't suppose I can download these and play them on my TV through the PS3, can I? That would be awesome. I'm not going to spend the money on PSP hardware, because I don't have time to play at work and don't really need a hand-held. Sony can either take my money on the software, or they can leave it on the table. It seems like good business.
 
2010-02-16 08:39:49 PM  

Tommy Moo: Question: I see a lot of PSP games on the PS Network. I don't suppose I can download these and play them on my TV through the PS3, can I? That would be awesome. I'm not going to spend the money on PSP hardware, because I don't have time to play at work and don't really need a hand-held. Sony can either take my money on the software, or they can leave it on the table. It seems like good business.


Some PS1 games that you download will run on both PS3 and PSP. But I don't think the PSP game downloads will run on the PS3.
 
2010-02-16 09:10:50 PM  
But it still cant play PS3 games. Because PS3 has no gaems.
 
2010-02-16 09:13:41 PM  

Nemo's Brother: mynameismark: And yet another reason why PS3s are better than Xbox 360s.

PS3s are great home entertainment centers, which is good considering their game selection.


Meh, my xbox HD is full of installed games. It's nice that Sony lets you upgrade the HD, but if I put a 500 GB drive in there, it'd be full of installed games. That said, the media streaming via the xbox kicks ass. I really need to get on building a home media server with several TB of storage.

I would use Vuze to transcode .mkv's btw. If it'll stream to the xbox it should stream to the PS3. Drag 'n drop.
 
2010-02-16 10:33:37 PM  
As someone with a PS3 only for watching Blu-Ray and with a circa 2003 HDTV projection TV lacking an ATSC tuner, I would look forward to this. It would prevent me from buying a separate tuner and allow me to use the PS3 more often. The DVR is just icing on the cake for me.
 
2010-02-16 10:39:19 PM  

CowboyNinjaD: arsonik: Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.

Little Big Planet and God of War Collection if you don't already have it. Add the first Uncharted too, but rent it if you can. I loved it, but didn't need to own it.


You should also get Infamous.


Didn't care for the demo, but I know a lot of people who did. If you like fighting games, get Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection from the PSN Store. Half the price as Tekken 6, and it wasn't a terrible, halfassed game.
 
2010-02-16 10:44:19 PM  

arsonik: CowboyNinjaD: arsonik: Mobkey: I just bought a PS3, figured I would get it before God of War 3 came out. Any games I absolutely must buy? Difficulty: I own an Xbox already, so most shared games I already have. I rented Uncharted 2 and bought the God of War Collection.

Little Big Planet and God of War Collection if you don't already have it. Add the first Uncharted too, but rent it if you can. I loved it, but didn't need to own it.


You should also get Infamous.

Didn't care for the demo, but I know a lot of people who did. If you like fighting games, get Tekken 5 Dark Resurrection from the PSN Store. Half the price as Tekken 6, and it wasn't a terrible, halfassed game.



To be honest, I didn't really care for the Infamous demo. Escorting that stupid subway, while having to jump down and charge up the track was kind of tedious.

But the full game as a whole is pretty awesome.
 
2010-02-16 10:59:42 PM  
i could play them on mine but I bought my PS3 to play PS3 games. If I wanted to play PS2 games I could get out my PS2.
 
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