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(The New York Times)   Taliban's top military commander, Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, has been captured in Karachi, Pakistan   (nytimes.com) divider line 351
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2010-02-16 12:00:17 PM
555-FILK: Wittenberg Dropout: 555-FILK: at80eighty: 555-FILK: GaryPDX

/you were my first 'Favorite' a long time ago
//Farkette
///keep burning it up baby



figures.
every serial killer inmate has his token groupie that wants to marry him

What the hell are you talking about?

I can field this one. He's saying you are Fark's Trudy Wiegle from Reno 911.

Btw, where did Gary PDshiate go, I was really looking forward to more entertaining posts from him. I guess they finally kicked him off of the free internet stations at his local library branch.

Seriously, I don't know what that is.

Is it a movie? T.V.?

Insult me with something I know. I'll know sports at least. I don't watch much watch t.v., very little in fact (normally except now that the Olympics are on).

I can't defend myself if I don't know what to defend against.

I'm sorry, I don't know who Trudy Wiegle is.


I'd dumb it down for you, but there's no goddamn way I can limbo under that bar.
 
2010-02-16 12:07:20 PM
Opposite: Oldiron_79: how can you get that many #2s and not have gotten #1 yet?

#1 is in a basement of a palace in Iran, with a studio that looks like a cave.


I thought the Chalice was in the palace, with the brew that is true.
 
2010-02-16 12:11:20 PM
See? Years and years of war in Afghanistan and Iraq and it's now all worth it!
 
2010-02-16 12:22:29 PM
So...guess who else liked to "give terrorists rights" and coddle them in federal court.

PDF download:

Link (new window)

Yup, you guessed it, it was those lilly-livered, molly-coddling, bleeding heart libruls in the Bush-Cheney administration.

Now that we're rid of those "soft on terrorism" buffoons, the current right wing-nuts can get on with their tough talking, wanger-shaking, chest-thumping, holier than thous of their "war on terror".
 
2010-02-16 12:34:13 PM
QUICK, GET HIM A LAWYER AND A HOT MEAL FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD!!!!
 
2010-02-16 12:42:46 PM
Could somebody please publish a chart of who the "top commanders" of all these things are, so we can keep track of when a "top commander" has been eliminated -- it should help us figure out how we're doing

(not completely mocking-- I gather we actually ARE making a rather good dent in the various organizations at this point)
 
2010-02-16 12:54:02 PM
After years of right-wing stupidity, you're actually fighting the enemy? Inconceivable!

www.users.on.net
 
2010-02-16 01:01:32 PM
GaryPDX

Diogenes: GaryPDX: Well..if one of these clowns hadn't set his pants on fire on Christmas day, I would probably have held my tongue

Baloney. You don't know how to hold your tongue.

But honestly, your comment was silly. You're trying to connect things that are way out of scale and context with each other.

Yea, we'll come back to this when a dirty bomb gets set off in some major city.

Why do you lefties think there is no risk?


You understand that even if their craziest plots came true al quaeda couldn't kill more people in a year than heart disease, right? I don't worry about threats to my life that are a distant 30th to McDonalds and crossing the street without looking.

It's a pretty simple rule, if they can't kill us faster than we kill ourselves, color me unimpressed.

/if you're scared of terrorists you suck at math!
 
2010-02-16 01:03:59 PM
Whoops, al qaeda, rather. FTFM

/great, i wrote it twice in less than a few minutes, hi FBI/NSA guys! :)
 
2010-02-16 01:06:22 PM
FTFA
Bergen said. "I suspect he's not being read his Miranda rights by these Pakistani people who are interrogating him."

something tells me the Pakistani secret police are not going to be lighting his cigarrete, giving him a styrofoam cup of water or a piece of bread in whatever dungeon they are keeping him in...
 
2010-02-16 01:12:07 PM
I hope they read him his rights first and got him a lawyer, poor man.
 
2010-02-16 01:14:19 PM
JQPublic: Awesome!

July 2009: "People think that the U.S. has troops in Pakistan, well, we don't."

February 2010: Taliban top military commander captured in Karachi by US and Pakistan forces.


Fail. American intelligence forces is not the same thing as U.S. troops.
 
2010-02-16 01:21:10 PM
Good for America!
We needed a win, what with Iran going all nuclear.
 
2010-02-16 01:32:30 PM
Howiefelter2x: spideyknix: At least im not the only MW2 person who saw karachi and got excited!

This.....I expected more nerds in here.


I thought the Weeners in this thread was regarding a promotion in mw2.
 
2010-02-16 01:35:23 PM
muck4doo: Wahtever happened to that Omar sheikh guy or something?

Taliban != Al Qaeda
 
2010-02-16 01:55:42 PM
Fuggin Bizzy: muck4doo: Wahtever happened to that Omar sheikh guy or something?

Taliban != Al Qaeda


You can go one step further: The Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. Nothing. None of the hijackers were Taliban nor Afghan citizens. The terrorists were Saudi, the plot was planned in Germany, and the hijackers trained in Florida. Supposedly the Taliban let Bin Laden hideout for a short period of time, and apparently this is worth years of war, hundreds of U.S. lives, and billions and billions of dollars.

And for some reason, every goddamn filthy politician on the planet keeps repeating that the Taliban was responsible for 911. So why are they lying, exactly?
 
2010-02-16 02:06:14 PM
Did Rameriez get him??

/RAMIEREZ, GET #2!!!!!
//dnrtfa
 
2010-02-16 02:10:00 PM
BTW: As long as we're in Afghanistan, someone will pick up a gun and fight us. It's really that simple.

So ask yourselves how long you want to hear about #2 in Afghanistan.
 
2010-02-16 02:17:57 PM
zedster: FTFA:"Most immediately, they hope he will provide the whereabouts of Mullah Omar, the one-eyed cleric who is the group's spiritual leader."

This is now a euphemism


One-eyed Cleric. They could have just called him the Dick Cheney of the Taliban. Same euphemism.
 
2010-02-16 02:23:55 PM
Mentat: How many farking Number Two's are there? WHO DOES NUMBER TWO WORK FOR?

Cowboy: Yeah, that's it! You show that turd who's boss.
 
2010-02-16 02:27:03 PM
glenlivid: Fuggin Bizzy: muck4doo: Wahtever happened to that Omar sheikh guy or something?

Taliban != Al Qaeda

You can go one step further: The Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. Nothing. None of the hijackers were Taliban nor Afghan citizens. The terrorists were Saudi, the plot was planned in Germany, and the hijackers trained in Florida. Supposedly the Taliban let Bin Laden hideout for a short period of time, and apparently this is worth years of war, hundreds of U.S. lives, and billions and billions of dollars.

And for some reason, every goddamn filthy politician on the planet keeps repeating that the Taliban was responsible for 911. So why are they lying, exactly?


WOW! How did you get all this intel? Do you work for MI6 or something? Why did you not testify infront of the 9/11 comission?
 
2010-02-16 02:31:07 PM
Epiphany: Beauregard

Epiphany: Lee Jackson Beauregard: And yet it's "retarded" to point out that 5000 is greater than 2976.

Those numbers don't take into account the amount of lives saved by 1.)Killing terrorists 2.)Taking money from terrorists 3.)Foiled terrorist plots. Yeah, you're retarded.


img63.imageshack.us
 
2010-02-16 02:31:14 PM
GaryPDX: Diogenes: GaryPDX: Well..if one of these clowns hadn't set his pants on fire on Christmas day, I would probably have held my tongue

Baloney. You don't know how to hold your tongue.

But honestly, your comment was silly. You're trying to connect things that are way out of scale and context with each other.

Yea, we'll come back to this when a dirty bomb gets set off in some major city.

Why do you lefties think there is no risk?


Are you retarded?

On live TV, Obama could pull Osama's severed head out of a bag along with a detailed log of every planned terror attack, every name and address for their operatives world wide and some twat like GaryPDX is gonna make up some reason why it's bad.

Gary, go have a pot of coffee and clean your guns.
 
2010-02-16 02:36:54 PM
al-Qaeda and the Taliban again show why they're tops in the world for career advancement.

Career longevity, not so much.
 
2010-02-16 02:53:42 PM
Joe Blowme: glenlivid: Fuggin Bizzy: muck4doo: Wahtever happened to that Omar sheikh guy or something?

Taliban != Al Qaeda

You can go one step further: The Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. Nothing. None of the hijackers were Taliban nor Afghan citizens. The terrorists were Saudi, the plot was planned in Germany, and the hijackers trained in Florida. Supposedly the Taliban let Bin Laden hideout for a short period of time, and apparently this is worth years of war, hundreds of U.S. lives, and billions and billions of dollars.

And for some reason, every goddamn filthy politician on the planet keeps repeating that the Taliban was responsible for 911. So why are they lying, exactly?

WOW! How did you get all this intel? Do you work for MI6 or something? Why did you not testify infront of the 9/11 comission?


It's in the 911 Commission Report, dumbass.
 
2010-02-16 03:08:44 PM
glenlivid: Joe Blowme: glenlivid: Fuggin Bizzy: muck4doo: Wahtever happened to that Omar sheikh guy or something?

Taliban != Al Qaeda

You can go one step further: The Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. Nothing. None of the hijackers were Taliban nor Afghan citizens. The terrorists were Saudi, the plot was planned in Germany, and the hijackers trained in Florida. Supposedly the Taliban let Bin Laden hideout for a short period of time, and apparently this is worth years of war, hundreds of U.S. lives, and billions and billions of dollars.

And for some reason, every goddamn filthy politician on the planet keeps repeating that the Taliban was responsible for 911. So why are they lying, exactly?

WOW! How did you get all this intel? Do you work for MI6 or something? Why did you not testify infront of the 9/11 comission?

It's in the 911 Commission Report, dumbass.


Oh and so mature as well as having Ms. Cleo like psychic powers,
your mom must be very proud. BTW, when will you be moving out of your moms basement?
 
2010-02-16 03:13:22 PM
whoever said this:

"WOW! How did you get all this intel? Do you work for MI6 or something? Why did you not testify infront of the 9/11 comission?"

No one needs to testify that fact to them you brainless schmo. It's in the fsckin 9/11 report.
 
2010-02-16 03:30:19 PM
Balnket absolute statement that the Taliban had NOTHING, NOTHING to do with it is just ignorant. Did they interview the Taliban Cmdr? Bin Laden? So our intel is perfect right after 9/11?
The Joint Inquiry Report of the House and Senate Intelligence Committees was delayed for release for almost a year, then printed with sections clearly missing, including a controversial 28-page omission relating to "other countries" involved in the 9/11 attacks.
 
2010-02-16 03:34:53 PM
somedoctorguy:
1. No.
2. None, Yes.
3. Irrelevant.
4. Irrelevant.
5. Cells. There is no org chart, unless you are fond of giant amoeba-like scribbles with a few mitochondria in the middle. He would be one of the mitochondria. That is the inherent difficulty with fighting non-standard military structures like terrorist groups. Any one person is replaceable with another, unless you catch the entire command structure. The problem then is that the group very often undergoes mitosis, and turns into two or more, depending on who seizes the reins.

Largely, military force has not been useful as a sole factor in destroying terrorist forces, due in part to the fact that terrorists are almost never intent on holding ground, per se.

Ideology thrives under suppression, and extremely impoverished nations turn out desperate and ignorant people by the truckload, all of whom LOVE being given something "important" to do, especially if that something is "justified" by the actions of a clear oppressor. And no-one is more clearly an oppressor then a faceless, amorphous idea that still somehow manages to turn your house into a giant fireball. That would be the largest problem with our drone attacks, by the way. Death, without warning, inflicted by a very small machine, indiscriminatory and impersonal. Makes depersonalizing the attacker even easier, despite our military's best efforts to target high profile and high value targets.
 
2010-02-16 03:45:18 PM
Lee Jackson Beauregard: Epiphany: Beauregard

Epiphany: Lee Jackson Beauregard: And yet it's "retarded" to point out that 5000 is greater than 2976.

Those numbers don't take into account the amount of lives saved by 1.)Killing terrorists 2.)Taking money from terrorists 3.)Foiled terrorist plots. Yeah, you're retarded.


Here's one:

Foiled plot to blow up 7 airplanes (new window)

Now then, how many people are on board those 7 airplanes? It sure the fark isn't zero. Also, there are farkloads of stories just like that. You can't put a number on it, but you can sure as fark say it's not 0, and you're retarded.
 
2010-02-16 03:50:35 PM
hairywoogit: desperate and ignorant people by the truckload, all of whom LOVE being given something "important" to do, especially if that something is "justified" by the actions of a clear oppressor.

Sounds like another thinly veiled insult to the TeaBaggers...lol
 
2010-02-16 04:02:23 PM
Wow, they have captured or killed the number two guy about 50 times, this is the first number one guy.

/You are, number six!
 
2010-02-16 04:43:16 PM
See! The policies of the Bush Administration are working!

/I don't know where you get your news
 
2010-02-16 04:43:47 PM
glenlivid: Fuggin Bizzy: muck4doo: Wahtever happened to that Omar sheikh guy or something?

Taliban != Al Qaeda

You can go one step further: The Taliban had NOTHING to do with 911. Nothing. None of the hijackers were Taliban nor Afghan citizens. The terrorists were Saudi, the plot was planned in Germany, and the hijackers trained in Florida. Supposedly the Taliban let Bin Laden hideout for a short period of time, and apparently this is worth years of war, hundreds of U.S. lives, and billions and billions of dollars.

And for some reason, every goddamn filthy politician on the planet keeps repeating that the Taliban was responsible for 911. So why are they lying, exactly?


Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, that is correct. However, they sheltered the group responsible for it and allowed them to open training camps. They refused to hand over Bin Laden (among others). The US demanded they hand over all people responsible (theres a list somewhere) and close all Al Qaeda training camps along with allow inspectors to ensure that happened. They refused and got invaded.
 
2010-02-16 04:43:57 PM
DVOM: hairywoogit: desperate and ignorant people by the truckload, all of whom LOVE being given something "important" to do, especially if that something is "justified" by the actions of a clear oppressor.

Sounds like another thinly veiled insult to the TeaBaggers...lol


Heh. Why bother? Those guys serve the function of pointing out who exactly is an utter wingnut, while at the same time being stupid to the point of self parody. I always figured that groups like that HAD to have a large portion of people who were just out to make fun of the larger group as a whole anyways. Its kinda like Bevets posting in evolution threads, all it really does is serve to make anyone who might disagree with with the theory of evolution even MORE stupid.
 
2010-02-16 05:06:40 PM
Epiphany: Now then, how many people are on board those 7 airplanes? It sure the fark isn't zero. Also, there are farkloads of stories just like that. You can't put a number on it, but you can sure as fark say it's not 0, and you're retarded.

Boy its a good thing we killed all those terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan before they were able to come into Britain.

Oh wait, the majority of them were British citizens? The plan was a brainchild of 3 British nationals?

So in other words, that link doesn't help your case.
 
2010-02-16 05:22:41 PM
FuIru: Fark-the-Fnord: Karachi? I go there all the time...

Hmm, that long before an MW2 reference?


Maybe I should have included a pic...

Broadcastdave: Was he camping on top of the building near the chicken shacks or was he the apartments over looking the cafe?
 
2010-02-16 06:01:55 PM
The Taliban sure do have a lot of top commanders
 
2010-02-16 06:28:39 PM
machoprogrammer: Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, that is correct. However, they sheltered the group responsible for it and allowed them to open training camps. They refused to hand over Bin Laden (among others). The US demanded they hand over all people responsible (theres a list somewhere) and close all Al Qaeda training camps along with allow inspectors to ensure that happened. They refused and got invaded.

Really? Is that what you believe? Read The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski (it's been our main blueprint for our military policy for the last 40 years) and then find Afghanistan on a map.

...and then come make the argument we invaded Afghanistan because we were angry at a bunch of sheep herders. Now I know that's what you government is telling you, but the truth is our foreign policy has been about controlling resource-rich areas for the last 40 years. And now it includes "encircling China"...which we've been aggressively doing in the past 10. Afghanistan has an important geostrategic location...that is why we are there.

But your government will make it really simple for you so you have something to cling to while we attempt to control the world. Here's another one: We invaded Panama to get Manuel Noriega because he's a really bad man. It's amazing how many people still believe that story...instead of the fact that there's this really important canal there that we wanted to maintain control over.
 
2010-02-16 06:34:24 PM
drewkumo: Epiphany: Now then, how many people are on board those 7 airplanes? It sure the fark isn't zero. Also, there are farkloads of stories just like that. You can't put a number on it, but you can sure as fark say it's not 0, and you're retarded.

Boy its a good thing we killed all those terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan before they were able to come into Britain.

Oh wait, the majority of them were British citizens? The plan was a brainchild of 3 British nationals?

So in other words, that link doesn't help your case.


You believe that they were foiled because of a reason other than the war on terror then? What reason would that be?
 
2010-02-16 06:36:55 PM
glenlivid: machoprogrammer: Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, that is correct. However, they sheltered the group responsible for it and allowed them to open training camps. They refused to hand over Bin Laden (among others). The US demanded they hand over all people responsible (theres a list somewhere) and close all Al Qaeda training camps along with allow inspectors to ensure that happened. They refused and got invaded.

Really? Is that what you believe? Read The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski (it's been our main blueprint for our military policy for the last 40 years) and then find Afghanistan on a map.

...and then come make the argument we invaded Afghanistan because we were angry at a bunch of sheep herders. Now I know that's what you government is telling you, but the truth is our foreign policy has been about controlling resource-rich areas for the last 40 years. And now it includes "encircling China"...which we've been aggressively doing in the past 10. Afghanistan has an important geostrategic location...that is why we are there.

But your government will make it really simple for you so you have something to cling to while we attempt to control the world. Here's another one: We invaded Panama to get Manuel Noriega because he's a really bad man. It's amazing how many people still believe that story...instead of the fact that there's this really important canal there that we wanted to maintain control over.


Shouldn't you be at a Ron Paul rally?
 
2010-02-16 07:00:23 PM
machoprogrammer: Shouldn't you be at a Ron Paul rally?

Do you still believe in the Gulf of Tonkin incident? Iraq's WMD's? We invaded Panama because Noriega was a drug dealer?

There is always a long-term plan behind every military action. It's never just some whimsical/rash idea that leads to us occupying a country forever. You'd have to be a fool to believe that.
 
2010-02-16 07:15:15 PM
They captured Barad-dûr? I thought you couldn't just walk into Mordor?! Maybe it was a heli-assault.

I read this and thought one thing... CIA gets intel from an agent, coordinates with the ISI per international agreement to r'v with a Tier 1 operative, and actually get there before ISI can leak the info on the raid.

Well, that's my personal fantasy and I'm stickin' to it.

Tier 1 are the unsung badarses in this war (and that's the way they like it). Was so psyched to hear the new Medal of Honor game will let you play a Tier 1 based on actual interviews they did with real Tier 1 guys. I would love to hear details if they actually were the raid leader here or not.

/maybe we'll find out in 2060
//probably not
 
2010-02-16 09:14:10 PM
Fano: Opposite: Oldiron_79: how can you get that many #2s and not have gotten #1 yet?

#1 is in a basement of a palace in Iran, with a studio that looks like a cave.

I thought the Chalice was in the palace, with the brew that is true.


lolwut?
 
2010-02-16 09:54:34 PM
Epiphany: You believe that they were foiled because of a reason other than the war on terror then? What reason would that be?

Perhaps counter-terrorism units and intelligence work.

You would believe that they were foiled by invading Afghanistan and Iraq? That's what you were suggesting before I pointed out your gaper.
 
2010-02-16 09:55:19 PM
glenlivid: machoprogrammer: Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, that is correct. However, they sheltered the group responsible for it and allowed them to open training camps. They refused to hand over Bin Laden (among others). The US demanded they hand over all people responsible (theres a list somewhere) and close all Al Qaeda training camps along with allow inspectors to ensure that happened. They refused and got invaded.

Really? Is that what you believe? Read The Grand Chessboard by Zbigniew Brzezinski (it's been our main blueprint for our military policy for the last 40 years) and then find Afghanistan on a map.

...and then come make the argument we invaded Afghanistan because we were angry at a bunch of sheep herders. Now I know that's what you government is telling you, but the truth is our foreign policy has been about controlling resource-rich areas for the last 40 years. And now it includes "encircling China"...which we've been aggressively doing in the past 10. Afghanistan has an important geostrategic location...that is why we are there.

But your government will make it really simple for you so you have something to cling to while we attempt to control the world. Here's another one: We invaded Panama to get Manuel Noriega because he's a really bad man. It's amazing how many people still believe that story...instead of the fact that there's this really important canal there that we wanted to maintain control over.


This scenario is basically what Noam Chomsky tells about. That US policy is about the procurement and securement of resources and nothing else.

The excuses such as "encouraging democracy", or "terror" or "WMD's" are only to sell it to the American people.

Even the supposed "failed war on drugs" isn't a failure at all.
Battling "drugs" is just another excuse for controlling other countries activities because of their valuable resources.

In fact, if all the seemingly senseless, willy-nilly, piecemeal actions of the USA foreign policy are looked at from the angle of resources, then it all starts to make perfect sense. At that point it becomes obvious that the "willy-nilly" is in actuality extremely well planned out.

And it doesn't matter which party is in power in Washington, minor specifics of the plan may change but the overall plan never changes.
 
2010-02-16 09:56:28 PM
MorphOSX: Excuse me, but he's a military combatant and is subject to the rules of the Geneva Convention. The Miranda rights do not apply to enemy combatants.

They're Mirandizing some of them now. Not my idea, and I don't think it's a good one. If he wasn't usually in uniform, he doesn't even qualify for Geneva safegards, IIRC.
 
2010-02-16 10:31:29 PM
Opposite: Fano: Opposite: Oldiron_79: how can you get that many #2s and not have gotten #1 yet?

#1 is in a basement of a palace in Iran, with a studio that looks like a cave.

I thought the Chalice was in the palace, with the brew that is true.

lolwut?


Also the vessel with the pestle (new window)
 
2010-02-16 10:57:04 PM
Fano: Opposite: Fano: Opposite: Oldiron_79: how can you get that many #2s and not have gotten #1 yet?

#1 is in a basement of a palace in Iran, with a studio that looks like a cave.

I thought the Chalice was in the palace, with the brew that is true.

lolwut?

Also the vessel with the pestle (new window)


The Pill with the Poison is in the Chalice from the Palace...

/FYI
 
2010-02-16 11:07:24 PM
Seraphym: Fano: Opposite: Fano: Opposite: Oldiron_79: how can you get that many #2s and not have gotten #1 yet?

#1 is in a basement of a palace in Iran, with a studio that looks like a cave.

I thought the Chalice was in the palace, with the brew that is true.

lolwut?

Also the vessel with the pestle (new window)

The Pill with the Poison is in the Chalice from the Palace...

/FYI


or was it the flagon with the dragon?
 
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