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(Telegraph Nepal)   Under the advice of his astrologers, atheist governor worships water buffaloes to appease the planet Saturn   (telegraphnepal.com) divider line 186
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2010-02-13 07:37:13 PM  
fatassbastard: Lar Jorgen: It's a good analogy and everyone who has responded to him has validated it.

While I agree with you that I've allowed myself to fall into his trap, his analogy is poor. He's not standing on a street corner, he's walking into various discussions and announcing the same thing over and over again.

Link (new window)


That's what he does. It's effective and that's all he needs.

He will become the the first troll on my 'favorite' list. I think I will continue to add trolls to that list. Just to see where it goes.
 
2010-02-13 07:37:21 PM  
Reverend Monkeypants: OK
LOOK HERE
AN ATHEIST DOESN'T WORSHIP ANYTHING
NOTHING

Not woodland spirits, not mother nature, not evolution, not water buffalo.

An atheist who worships something is instantly not an atheist.

/ordained


Thank you for proving my point.
 
2010-02-13 07:38:09 PM  
Reverend Monkeypants: An atheist who worships something is instantly not an atheist.

Atheism is a Religion.

Atheism does not mean "without any religious belief whatsoever".

Religion does not require supernatural elements.
 
2010-02-13 07:42:02 PM  
letrole: ...that's just a rehash of your anger and belligerence and bile.

Again with the strawman arguments. And it's telling that you consider my posting of a link showing you posting "Atheism is a Religion" in at least 21 different FARK threads is an example of "anger and belligerence and bile".
 
2010-02-13 07:45:18 PM  
fatassbastard: letrole: You need to chill. All that hate is going to eat you alive.

I'm chill, dude. I'm just calling a spade a spade. You're a liar and a Troll, and anyone who has experienced your shtick before will agree with me.


wow. you posting that about anyone is just, well,.... beyond measurable irony.

andrightlyso.com
 
2010-02-13 07:46:21 PM  
Lar Jorgen: He will become the the first troll on my 'favorite' list. I think I will continue to add trolls to that list. Just to see where it goes.

My surname is Le Trôle. It does not mean 'troll'.

As you've seen in this thread, the so-called trolling is actually self-inflicted blathering rage that is completely out of proportion. The source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".
 
2010-02-13 07:47:39 PM  
Lar Jorgen: He will become the the first troll on my 'favorite' list.

Well, at least we agree about that.
 
2010-02-13 07:49:35 PM  
fatassbastard: Again with the strawman arguments. And it's telling that you consider my posting of a link showing you posting "Atheism is a Religion" in at least 21 different FARK threads is an example of "anger and belligerence and bile".


You seem to be a ridiculous composite of Colonel Jessup and Sir Knight.
 
2010-02-13 07:50:25 PM  
letrole: Lar Jorgen: He will become the the first troll on my 'favorite' list. I think I will continue to add trolls to that list. Just to see where it goes.

My surname is Le Trôle. It does not mean 'troll'.

As you've seen in this thread, the so-called trolling is actually self-inflicted blathering rage that is completely out of proportion. The source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".


Agreed. And that's why you post what you post. You found the nerve and you are exploiting it.
 
2010-02-13 07:53:21 PM  
letrole: As you've seen in this thread, the so-called trolling is actually self-inflicted blathering rage that is completely out of proportion.

Self-inflicted? That doesn't even make sense. And again with the "rage" accusation. Thanks for proving my earlier point.

The source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".

I can make any statement irrefutable if I define all the terms in advance to my advantage.
 
2010-02-13 07:53:31 PM  
letrole: The source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".

I think if you say it one more time fatassbastard's head might implode.
 
2010-02-13 07:53:45 PM  
fatassbastard: Lar Jorgen: He will become the the first troll on my 'favorite' list.

Well, at least we agree about that.


I'm sure we can agree on more than that!
 
2010-02-13 07:56:48 PM  
airplayne: I think if you say it one more time fatassbastard's head might implode.

I think if I say it one more time, fatassbastard will drop into Colonel Jessup mode and shout

YOURE GOTDAMN RIGHT I GOT TROLLED. YOU WANT THIS PWNED BIATCH UP ON THAT WALL.
 
2010-02-13 07:57:10 PM  
Lar Jorgen: I'm sure we can agree on more than that!

Yeah, probably. :)

airplayne: letrole: The source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".

I think if you say it one more time fatassbastard's head might implode.


Come now, the term is "asplode". And you're right that my arguments against a Troll lose some of their veracity when I continue to feed it.

*sigh* Ah, well...
 
2010-02-13 08:00:09 PM  
letrole:

Your e-mail doesn't seem to be valid.
EIP
 
2010-02-13 08:02:44 PM  
letrole: he source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".

Not that hard to refute. I've been trying to post this image, but it's not working. I think a link will have to suffice.

Link (new window)
 
2010-02-13 08:03:14 PM  
Spirit Hammer: letrole:

Your e-mail doesn't seem to be valid.
EIP


probably inactive

i'll go login to kick start it
 
2010-02-13 08:05:56 PM  
letrole: Sgt. Pepper: Letrole c'est un troll.

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.


Do you have a flag?
 
2010-02-13 08:06:49 PM  
Atheism is a religion? This is good news. Now I can say with pride that I'm devoutly religious and not have to do one damn thing! What a time saver. No Gods to think about, no proselytizing, no church, no dogma. Thanks to linguistic doublethink I'm just as religious as every other poor slob who devotes long tedious hours to spiritual metaphysics. Atheism...not just a religion, but the best religion!
 
2010-02-13 08:20:04 PM  
hailstorm: Atheism is a religion? This is good news. Now I can say with pride that I'm devoutly religious and not have to do one damn thing! What a time saver. No Gods to think about, no proselytizing, no church, no dogma. Thanks to linguistic doublethink I'm just as religious as every other poor slob who devotes long tedious hours to spiritual metaphysics. Atheism...not just a religion, but the best religion!

I know Le Troll is Le Trolling, but I can make a logical case for his nonsense. Atheism is the belief that there is no god of any stripe. Atheism is, therefore, a belief about religion. A belief about a religion is a religious belief. Having a religious belief is the standard for being part of a religion. Therefore, Atheism is a religion. Agnosticism would not be.

/sometimes it's fun to feed the trolls
 
2010-02-13 08:20:40 PM  
www.larry-boy.com

//mine is fast, but yours is slow.
 
2010-02-13 08:24:06 PM  
letrole: Atheism is a Religion.

Atheism is a learned behavior.
 
2010-02-13 08:26:41 PM  
DingleberryMoose: hailstorm: Atheism is a religion? This is good news. Now I can say with pride that I'm devoutly religious and not have to do one damn thing! What a time saver. No Gods to think about, no proselytizing, no church, no dogma. Thanks to linguistic doublethink I'm just as religious as every other poor slob who devotes long tedious hours to spiritual metaphysics. Atheism...not just a religion, but the best religion!

I know Le Troll is Le Trolling, but I can make a logical case for his nonsense. Atheism is the belief that there is no god of any stripe. Atheism is, therefore, a belief about religion. A belief about a religion is a religious belief. Having a religious belief is the standard for being part of a religion. Therefore, Atheism is a religion. Agnosticism would not be.

/sometimes it's fun to feed the trolls


The bold part is the primary problem. The jump from belief about God to belief about religion is untenable. Religion does not require a belief in a deity and atheism only addresses belief in a deity.

Also, most atheists are also agnostic so your final point is false.
 
2010-02-13 08:26:49 PM  
letrole: Spirit Hammer: letrole:

EIP

Interested in offline conversation.

 
2010-02-13 08:27:51 PM  
DingleberryMoose: I know Le Troll is Le Trolling...

Another who agrees. :)

Atheism is the belief that there is no god of any stripe.

Not necessarily, although that is how most people use the term. The word, broken down by its roots, means "without belief in god(s)". One definition holds a definable belief, whereas the other lacks any belief at all.

/sometimes it's fun to feed the trolls


I have no idea what you're talking about. ;)
 
2010-02-13 08:29:51 PM  
TheRaven7: Atheism is a learned behavior.

Could somebody bother explaining this to the people who don't get it, please?

;)
 
2010-02-13 08:30:48 PM  
DingleberryMoose: I know Le Troll is Le Trolling, but I can make a logical case for his nonsense. Atheism is the belief that there is no god of any stripe. Atheism is, therefore, a belief about religion. A belief about a religion is a religious belief. Having a religious belief is the standard for being part of a religion. Therefore, Atheism is a religion. Agnosticism would not be.

Yes, this is the logical basis. The confirmation that Atheism is a Religion comes from an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denials, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.

It's the frustrated denial, the twisted hatred, the sophmoronic protests, the jibing of the self-satisfied Godless, that show Atheism to be a Religion indeed.
 
2010-02-13 08:33:25 PM  
Atheism is a learned behaviour. The instinct for belief involves philosophy and spirituality and intuition and so forth. If you get angry at the talk of a religious man, or if you get angry at the sight of a religious woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.
 
2010-02-13 08:35:04 PM  
TheRaven7: Atheism is a learned behaviour. The instinct for belief involves philosophy and spirituality and intuition and so forth. If you get angry at the talk of a religious man, or if you get angry at the sight of a religious woman, it is only because you have been taught to make that association.

I tip my hat.

/mwah hahahaha
 
2010-02-13 08:39:21 PM  
Baryogenesis: Also, most atheists are also agnostic so your final point is false.

This is a fun, if unproductive, exercise.

letrole: Yes, this is the logical basis. The confirmation that Atheism is a Religion comes from an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denials, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.

It's the frustrated denial, the twisted hatred, the sophmoronic protests, the jibing of the self-satisfied Godless, that show Atheism to be a Religion indeed.


This is how we know you're a troll. Atheism is very much not a religion for most atheists. The militant atheists, however, might be another story. But, like reasonable Christians, you never seem to hear from reasonable atheists. It's the whackjobs who make the noise.

/troll food comes cheap these days
//using up my surplus
 
2010-02-13 08:42:54 PM  
DingleberryMoose: Atheism is very much not a religion for most atheists. The militant atheists, however, might be another story. But, like reasonable Christians, you never seem to hear from reasonable atheists. It's the whackjobs who make the noise.

Yes Gump, I know that. Only whack jobs have enough fervor and dedication to jump up and try to set the record straight. Every religion has its zealots.
 
2010-02-13 08:43:30 PM  
letrole: No true. An Atheist can worship woodland spirits. Many Buddhists are Atheists.

But most Atheists practise Atheism in its purest form.


No, you can't believe in woodland spirits and be an atheist. There are Buddhists who follow the philosophy of Buddhism without following the beliefs who may be an atheist, but if they believe in anything supernatural they are not atheists. They may get along well with atheists though. Now, there are things an atheist can 'worship'. Money, the ground a beautiful woman walks on, the sanctity of life, but not in the sense that they believe in spirits or ghosts or gods or godlings.

And to the people picking on the subby because of the headline. RTFA. I know it's a painful mess of rambling idiocy, but it does get around to calling him an atheist in there. I'm pretty sure that little of absurdity is exactly why the subby submitted this.

And, since you didn't RTFA, you might want to also read the comments underneath on the original article. They are special. The article might not be worth the read, but they are.
 
2010-02-13 08:46:41 PM  
DingleberryMoose: hailstorm: Atheism is a religion? This is good news. Now I can say with pride that I'm devoutly religious and not have to do one damn thing! What a time saver. No Gods to think about, no proselytizing, no church, no dogma. Thanks to linguistic doublethink I'm just as religious as every other poor slob who devotes long tedious hours to spiritual metaphysics. Atheism...not just a religion, but the best religion!

I know Le Troll is Le Trolling, but I can make a logical case for his nonsense. Atheism is the belief that there is no god of any stripe. Atheism is, therefore, a belief about religion. A belief about a religion is a religious belief. Having a religious belief is the standard for being part of a religion. Therefore, Atheism is a religion. Agnosticism would not be.

/sometimes it's fun to feed the trolls


Well maybe, but do these linguistic games serve any purpose? An atheist sees no reason to believe in any deity. This is the starting point. The concept of a deity comes later. You could just as well say religion is a form of atheism because it's an addition to atheism. The chicken coming from the egg or something. Agnosticism probably does come from religion.
 
2010-02-13 08:46:59 PM  
letrole: Yes Gump, I know that. Only whack jobs have enough fervor and dedication to jump up and try to set the record straight. Every religion has its zealots.

I don't think I've ever seen anyone miss the point that badly.
 
2010-02-13 08:48:21 PM  
DingleberryMoose: This is a fun, if unproductive, exercise.

Exactly. :)

HoratioGates: Money, the ground a beautiful woman walks on, the sanctity of life, but not in the sense that they believe in spirits or ghosts or gods or godlings.

There is at least one person in this thread who does indeed believe that the three examples you provided exempt one from being termed an atheist.
 
2010-02-13 08:48:34 PM  
hailstorm: Well maybe, but do these linguistic games serve any purpose?

They amuse me. Other than that, no purpose. And I don't agree with Le Troll, in case you didn't pick up on that.
 
2010-02-13 08:49:01 PM  
HoratioGates: No, you can't believe in woodland spirits and be an atheist.

Yes, you can be an Atheist and still practise any number of additional religions that do not recognise Theism.

Atheism does not exclude the supernatural.
 
2010-02-13 08:51:02 PM  
Sgt Otter 2010-02-13 12:07:10 PM Sounds more like a pagan than an atheist
============================================

No. A pagan suggested to the athelst to do this.


Nevertheless, this is one of the strangest things i have ever read in my life.

/Bravo find, subby.
 
2010-02-13 08:55:40 PM  
P.S.

members.cox.net

I put myself in the upper-lefthand square of that grid, fwtftw.
 
2010-02-13 08:55:48 PM  
letrole: HoratioGates: No, you can't believe in woodland spirits and be an atheist.

Yes, you can be an Atheist and still practise any number of additional religions that do not recognise Theism.

Atheism does not exclude the supernatural.


I suppose the definition of the word isn't broad enough to include the supernatural, but I think the majority of atheists tend not to be superstitious. I certainly wouldn't call a Wiccan an atheist.
 
2010-02-13 08:57:02 PM  
And I'd like to give a shout out to people who insist on calling Atheism a religion. It is not a religion. It is an epistemology. It is the epistemology of reason, the belief that you go where the evidence takes you. If 'GOD' showed up on the world tomorrow, the first things atheists would do is look for the strings, as it were.

If, after a thorough investigation the evidence of God outweighed the evidence against God, atheists would then believe in God. Someone who follows the epistemology of faith however will not change their opinion to suit reason. The central conceit of religion is that you are supposed to take it on faith, that to question faith is a sin.

It might be worth noting that this is the same thing that any good conman would do, building up someone's belief that they have been specially selected to know the secret that will bring them prosperity, that if they ask questions they could accidentally screw everything up. Trust your leaders and everything will be OK.
 
2010-02-13 08:57:05 PM  
For all of you morons too stupid to understand:

A) The guy is an atheist.
B) The guy who is NOT an atheist suggested to the atheist to worship the buffalo.
C) Nowhere in the article does it actually say the guy did the worshipping. And even if it does, he probably would've only done it to appease the dude who told him to do it. Therefore he's still an atheist.

WTF is so hard to comprehend?
 
2010-02-13 08:57:17 PM  
Baryogenesis: letrole: he source of the rage is the surprisingly hard to refute statement "Atheism is a Religion".

Not that hard to refute. I've been trying to post this image, but it's not working. I think a link will have to suffice.

Link (new window)


The link is just an image that states the requirements of a religion.

A religion generally includes:
Belief in a reality beyond the immediately verifiable
Recognition of the profane and sacred
The performance of rituals
 
2010-02-13 09:01:43 PM  
HoratioGates: And I'd like to give a shout out to people who insist on calling Atheism a religion. It is not a religion. It is an epistemology. It is the epistemology of reason, the belief that you go where the evidence takes you. If 'GOD' showed up on the world tomorrow, the first things atheists would do is look for the strings, as it were.

If, after a thorough investigation the evidence of God outweighed the evidence against God, atheists would then believe in God. Someone who follows the epistemology of faith however will not change their opinion to suit reason. The central conceit of religion is that you are supposed to take it on faith, that to question faith is a sin.

It might be worth noting that this is the same thing that any good conman would do, building up someone's belief that they have been specially selected to know the secret that will bring them prosperity, that if they ask questions they could accidentally screw everything up. Trust your leaders and everything will be OK.


The confirmation that Atheism is a Religion comes from an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denials, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.
 
2010-02-13 09:03:32 PM  
fatassbastard: P.S.



I put myself in the upper-lefthand square of that grid, fwtftw.


I'm forced into that category as well, but I object to the classification. I'm pretty sure monkeys aren't going to fly out my butt anytime soon, but I assert knowledge of biology and physics rather than absolute possibilities. So I guess that makes me an agnostic amonkeysflyoutmybuttist.
 
2010-02-13 09:10:38 PM  
ITT: conservatards insisting that atheism is a religion.

Tomorrow: conservatards insisting that atheism is unamerican because the constitution guarantees "freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion."
 
2010-02-13 09:13:24 PM  
letrole: HoratioGates: And I'd like to give a shout out to people who insist on calling Atheism a religion. It is not a religion. It is an epistemology. It is the epistemology of reason, the belief that you go where the evidence takes you. If 'GOD' showed up on the world tomorrow, the first things atheists would do is look for the strings, as it were.

If, after a thorough investigation the evidence of God outweighed the evidence against God, atheists would then believe in God. Someone who follows the epistemology of faith however will not change their opinion to suit reason. The central conceit of religion is that you are supposed to take it on faith, that to question faith is a sin.

It might be worth noting that this is the same thing that any good conman would do, building up someone's belief that they have been specially selected to know the secret that will bring them prosperity, that if they ask questions they could accidentally screw everything up. Trust your leaders and everything will be OK.

The confirmation that Atheism is a Religion comes from an almost endless supply of Schoolboy Atheists will launch into ever-decreasing circles of denials, and exercises of semantics worthy of any medieval theologian.


Actually that was a pretty good answer. Clear, concise, informative, very unlike a schoolboy and the word meanings were understandable. A bit antagonistic and provocative, but that's why we're all here.
 
2010-02-13 09:16:48 PM  
Kumana Wanalaia: ITT: conservatards insisting that atheism is a religion.

Tomorrow: conservatards insisting that atheism is unamerican because the constitution guarantees "freedom OF religion, not freedom FROM religion."



Right Now: Using terms such as conservatards, or rethuglicans, or democraps, or lie-berals is generally seen as extremely witty, and in no way marks the user as an immature buffoon who has only a passing and slanted understanding of politics and current events.
 
2010-02-13 09:17:01 PM  
www.upmyownass.com

Seemed appropriate.
 
2010-02-13 09:30:55 PM  
hailstorm: Actually that was a pretty good answer. Clear, concise, informative, very unlike a schoolboy and the word meanings were understandable. A bit antagonistic and provocative, but that's why we're all here.

I don't see the need for antagonism and provocation. The only acceptable position is 'meh', or perhaps 'furrfu'. Otherwise, all the discussion further confirms the importance of Atheism itself, not as a mere adjective, but as a concept that's elevated to a Religion.

It's the same premise as that miserable song by Bryan Adams, where he biatches and moans about "ain't missing you at all". This proves he's a loser who does indeed miss the girl in question.
 
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