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(The New York Times)   It's like Cash for Clunkers in reverse: Japanese drivers spooked by the Prius recall can get a 250,000 yen ($2,780) subsidy if they buy an imported "green" vehicle --- the 4700 pound, 16 mpg Hummer H3   (nytimes.com) divider line 73
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2010-02-12 08:10:29 PM
img.worldcarfans.com

what a green hummer might look like.
 
2010-02-12 08:12:25 PM
I would think that Japan would be a great market for Hummer, assuming the stereotypes about the average Asian man's penis size are true.
 
2010-02-12 08:27:09 PM
www.opaquelucidity.com
 
2010-02-12 08:39:46 PM
What's the status of China's deal for Hummer?
 
2010-02-12 08:54:03 PM
Will these hummers be pixelated?
 
2010-02-12 10:05:22 PM
Clompers for Clunkers?
 
2010-02-12 11:17:00 PM
From what I've seen of Japan's streets and their gas prices, I can't imagine even a small subsidy would convince people to buy Hummers.
 
2010-02-12 11:17:37 PM
[insert quizzical expression here]
 
2010-02-12 11:18:05 PM
Are they going to be used like little school buses?
 
2010-02-12 11:19:41 PM
Did someone say "Green Hummer"?

www.iwatchstuff.com

//hot like.... ummm... I'll be in my bunk
 
2010-02-12 11:20:25 PM
i think it is clever. they will sell more than they thought and the people will eat them up.
 
2010-02-12 11:20:29 PM
Cash for Clunkers was a bigger joke than the aristocrats.

/rant over.
 
2010-02-12 11:23:24 PM
kendelrio: Did someone say "Green Hummer"?



//hot like.... ummm... I'll be in my bunk


I also find this disturbingly arousing. I always suspected that I am in dire need of mental help, but this photo kind of clinches it.
 
2010-02-12 11:24:18 PM
Stonerbloopers: Cash for Clunkers was a bigger joke than the aristocrats.

/rant over.


DOES NOT APPROVE

http://tinyurl.com/3buc8m

NSFW
 
2010-02-12 11:27:20 PM
Wendy's Chili: What's the status of China's deal for Hummer?

Me love you long time?
 
2010-02-12 11:34:48 PM
Bwahahaha
 
2010-02-12 11:44:11 PM
What_Would_Jimi_Do: i think it is clever. they will sell more than they thought and the people will eat them up.

They're not dolphins.
 
2010-02-12 11:47:57 PM
You have big American penis. Japanese penis is so small.
Yes, so small.
 
2010-02-12 11:50:57 PM
Colour_out_of_Space: What_Would_Jimi_Do: i think it is clever. they will sell more than they thought and the people will eat them up.

They're not dolphins.


"Fark you darphin!!"
 
2010-02-12 11:56:09 PM
Man, I wouldn't buy an H2 or an H3. I sure as hell wouldn't buy one in Japan. I've seen the residential streets over there.

/Original Hummer, you're still sort of cool
//Guess it's work ok if you're just tooling around Tokyo, but where are you going to park it?
///Answer: Yokohama
 
2010-02-13 12:05:04 AM
Funny, I can't find a reference in TFA about the japanese consumers being spooked by a Prius recall (which, if I remember correctly, was only for American made Toyotas), but rather I do see a lot about Detroit responding to their competitors through lobbying Washington and lawyering up.

That seems to be the only way Detroit can beat the Japanese and European car makers, by biatching enough to Washington so that they shift the goal posts or introduce some massive subsidy scheme (i.e., the truck subsidy) so that the yank tanks can compete in the market place.

And in the process, doom the American taxpayers to paying for these shiat cars and/or moving the American car market to the lowest common denominator.
 
2010-02-13 12:07:52 AM
Reminds me of the credit you can get for buying an electric car from the US gov't, which is actually a road-ready golf cart from China.
 
2010-02-13 12:08:50 AM
beer4breakfast: From what I've seen of Japan's streets and their gas prices, I can't imagine even a small subsidy would convince people to buy Hummers.

This is the first I'm hearing of it, and a quick google doesn't bring up obvious hits. I presume it's not hugely popular.

That said, there's fans of various SUVs (including Toyota) for off-roading sporting and the like, so probably the niche market is happy. As a commuter car it would be insane, but as a tool taken out for specific kinds of fun on vacations? I could see that. (Heck, I have access to an SUV here in the US for similar reason, and I walk to work.)

MikeXpop: What a green Hummer might look like:

That is kinda awesome.
 
2010-02-13 12:18:41 AM
kendelrio: Did someone say "Green Hummer"?



//hot like.... ummm... I'll be in my bunk


Now, is that supposed to be SheHulk or an Orion?
 
2010-02-13 12:20:35 AM
This guy knows how to build a "green" hummer:

Whenever the truck's juice runs low, the turbine will roar into action for a few seconds, powering a generator with such gusto that it'll recharge a set of "supercapacitor" batteries in seconds. This means the H3's electric motor will be able to perform awesome feats of acceleration and power over and over again, like a Prius on steroids. What's more, the turbine will burn biodiesel, a renewable fuel with much lower emissions than normal diesel; a hydrogen-injection system will then cut those low emissions in half. And when it's time to fill the tank, he'll be able to just pull up to the back of a diner and dump in its excess french-fry grease--as he does with his many other Hummers. Oh, yeah, he adds, the horsepower will double--from 300 to 600.

"Conservatively," Goodwin muses, scratching his chin, "it'll get 60 miles to the gallon. With 2,000 foot-pounds of torque. You'll be able to smoke the tires. And it's going to be superefficient."
 
2010-02-13 12:25:40 AM
I wondered how a Hummer could be considered green but I think I have sussed it out from the article:

1) it's greener than anything else in its weight class, so you can forget about a driving a Leopard Tank or being carried around in a Sedan chair by six Sumo wrestlers;

2) its high cost, heavy frame and military design betray its origins as a military personnel mover, but it once you get it to your parking space it certainly is green because it's too wide for Japanese roads, which means that it will probably be converted into a novelty-themed B&B;

3)the Japanese are just patronizing American carmakers. Honourable Hummer is giant piece of honourable crap and so is including it in a fuel efficiency contest. It's rather like the fat ugly 45 year old in the Beauty Contest. She's only there because her Daddy's goons can break your legs with their bare hands.
 
2010-02-13 12:33:29 AM
I don't understand what the big deal is, why the brakes on a Prius are causing a recall, I've never seen one going faster than 10 mph. How bad could it be if the brakes fail?
 
2010-02-13 12:50:17 AM
Constance Velocity: I don't understand what the big deal is, why the brakes on a Prius are causing a recall, I've never seen one going faster than 10 mph. How bad could it be if the brakes fail?

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
"Look out! Look out! I'm gonna crash my slowmobile! I had to swerve to avoid you!"
 
2010-02-13 01:27:17 AM
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2010-02-13 01:30:48 AM
"Dough for dumbasses" covers the housing tax credit and the American and Japanese car subsidies.
 
2010-02-13 01:42:39 AM
I live in Japan. You aren't going to park or drive that thing anywhere except on the highway. I can barely fit my Sienta in my driveway.

That being said, I've seen a couple...on the highway.
 
2010-02-13 01:43:10 AM
ansius: That seems to be the only way Detroit can beat the Japanese and European car makers, by biatching enough to Washington so that they shift the goal posts or introduce some massive subsidy scheme (i.e., the truck subsidy) so that the yank tanks can compete in the market place.

Welcome to the global economy. Japan would NEVER play political games with tarrifs or other trade restrictions.

They are pure. They would never act all greedy. In fact they aren't even human, are they?

That's what you think, right?
 
2010-02-13 01:45:59 AM
Ah yes, the Hummer H3 - as I recall, it's a Chevy Tahoe with a Hummer body.
 
2010-02-13 01:47:40 AM
Whoops, my bad, the Hummer H3 is a Chevy Trailblazer with a Hummer body.

Enjoy, Japan.
 
2010-02-13 01:48:31 AM
American automakers argued, however, that Japan's fuel-efficiency standards - which focus more on pollution at low speeds and in stop-and-go traffic - put foreign brands at a disadvantage.

Boo farking hoo. Make better cars that fit your markets instead of whining to Washington. No wonder the entire industry is in shambles.
 
2010-02-13 01:50:57 AM
Skwidd: I live in Japan. You aren't going to park or drive that thing anywhere except on the highway. I can barely fit my Sienta in my driveway.

That being said, I've seen a couple...on the highway.


Are Japanese drivers polite enough that they park their SUVs between the lines in parking lots?

Those people used to annoy me. Now I get a certain satisfaction from squeezing in between them and battering the living shiat out of the side of their car when I open my door.

If you cannot control your vehicle well enough to park between the lines in a parking lot, you should not be driving it.
 
2010-02-13 02:19:00 AM
Hobodeluxe: what a green hummer might look like.

I've always wanted to get a green colored gas guzzler so if someone ever had the nerve to mouth off at me about it I could just say "Hey man, it's green."
 
2010-02-13 02:19:18 AM
Skwidd: I live in Japan. You aren't going to park or drive that thing anywhere except on the highway. I can barely fit my Sienta in my driveway.

That being said, I've seen a couple...on the highway.


Escalades seem pretty popular, but the people that I see driving them don't look like they worry about monthly fees for oversized parking spots.
 
2010-02-13 03:48:39 AM
God bless the Japanese. Without them, we (Americans) would feel weird.
 
2010-02-13 05:34:28 AM
mud_shark: Skwidd: I live in Japan. You aren't going to park or drive that thing anywhere except on the highway. I can barely fit my Sienta in my driveway.

That being said, I've seen a couple...on the highway.

Are Japanese drivers polite enough that they park their SUVs between the lines in parking lots?

Those people used to annoy me. Now I get a certain satisfaction from squeezing in between them and battering the living shiat out of the side of their car when I open my door.

If you cannot control your vehicle well enough to park between the lines in a parking lot, you should not be driving it.


So your front door looks like shiat?
 
2010-02-13 06:29:24 AM
USA! USA! USA!
 
2010-02-13 07:54:02 AM
Lafnlion: Ah yes, the Hummer H3 - as I recall, it's a Chevy Tahoe with a Hummer body.

You recall wrong, kinda like Toyota. The H3 is on the GMT355 chassis, shared with the Chevrolet Colorado/GMC Canyon. The H2 is on a modified GMT800 that shared parts with the previous Chevy Silverado, Tahoe, Suburban, Avalance and GMC Sierra, Yukon, Yukon XL. Also the current fullsize K vans ride on GMT800.
 
2010-02-13 07:56:17 AM
Lafnlion: Whoops, my bad, the Hummer H3 is a Chevy Trailblazer with a Hummer body.

Enjoy, Japan.


Just to correct this as well. The H3 is on GMT355. The Chevy Trailblazer rode on the GMT360 chassis, shared with the Chevy Trailblazer XL, GMC Envoy, Envoy XL, Olds Bravada, Buick Rainier, and SAAB 9-7x.
 
2010-02-13 08:40:36 AM
beer4breakfast: From what I've seen of Japan's streets and their gas prices, I can't imagine even a small subsidy would convince people to buy Hummers.

Outside of the main streets they remind me of cottage roads out in the country (although they are paved). 1.5 car widths wide not to mention no sidewalks and cars park on the sides and people walk and ride bikes all over them. Driving a Hummer around there would be challenge.
 
2010-02-13 08:43:24 AM
Moopy Mac: Skwidd: I live in Japan. You aren't going to park or drive that thing anywhere except on the highway. I can barely fit my Sienta in my driveway.

That being said, I've seen a couple...on the highway.

Escalades seem pretty popular, but the people that I see driving them don't look like they worry about monthly fees for oversized parking spots.


Just wedge them into two compact spaces like all the assholes do in the parking garage I use at work. Although, the morons that insist on driving full-sized pickup trucks to their office jobs ever day are by far the worst offenders in that department.
 
2010-02-13 08:59:35 AM
If Toyota would just keep making 1998 Camries, no changes!, for the rest of my lifespan, I'll buy a 2-year-old one every 15 years.
 
2010-02-13 09:07:22 AM
mud_shark: Skwidd: I live in Japan. You aren't going to park or drive that thing anywhere except on the highway. I can barely fit my Sienta in my driveway.

That being said, I've seen a couple...on the highway.

Are Japanese drivers polite enough that they park their SUVs between the lines in parking lots?

Those people used to annoy me. Now I get a certain satisfaction from squeezing in between them and battering the living shiat out of the side of their car when I open my door.

If you cannot control your vehicle well enough to park between the lines in a parking lot, you should not be driving it.


People compain about trucks and SUVs all the time so it's more than fair that we complain too. The complaint I have is why can't people who drive small cars stay in their farking lane? You're driving a farking go kart you don't need to cut the corner that far inside. Why do they feel the need to cut every turn so short? It's farking annoying having to squeeze over against the guard rail in my f-150 because grandma can't quite get through the corner in her Corrola at 35 mph. I think it has to do with them never driving anything bigger than a roller skate or ever towing anything. They simply do not know how to hang a wide turn. It may also be because they have a lower vantage point so they assume that because they can still see the ground between them and the other car that they are hanging the turn wide enough.
 
2010-02-13 09:12:37 AM
Has anyone else noticed that people who drive 90s-early 2000s GM cars tend to drive either on the yellow line or a little over it? I'm talking about those old Caveliers/Sunbirds. Those buckets o crap always seem to be in the middle of the road.

static.howstuffworks.com

//aforementioned bucket o crap
 
2010-02-13 09:19:25 AM
spacechiken170am The complaint I have is why can't people who drive small cars stay in their farking lane?

For the same reason truck and suv drivers "can't" stay in their damn lane: their lazy assholes who don't pay any attention to what's going on around them.

Shiatty drivers are not restricted to any particular type of vehicle. The thing that makes the SUV and pickup drivers so much more infuriating is that they've chosen - in most cases, without good reason - to drive a heavier and more dangerous vehicle that demands greater responsibility, but they don't accept that responsibility. They just keep driving like dickheads the same as they did when they drove a farking Lexus sedan.

Obviously, everyone should drive responsibly, but, practically, it's much more dangerous when some moron hits you head on at 40mph in a 5000 pound truck that sits nine inches off the ground than when they hit you at 40mph in a 2000 pound subcompact that sits four inches off the ground.

I would also point out that SUV and truck drivers seem to be much worse at driving than car drivers, largely owing to the fact (in my guesstimation anyway) that driving a truck has different mechanics than driving a car and Suburban Slut Soccer Mom doesn't get that little fact. Not only do they tend to understeer in corners more frequently and more severely, they also have a much greater tendency to overcorrect when they encounter someone in the corner and go careening wildly to the other side of the road.

SUV and pickup drivers aren't "worse" drivers than car drivers, they just have more dangerous vehicles that have much more serious consequences for failure. It's no different than when powerful muscle cars became a big deal back in the 60s and 70s: you had a bunch of yahoos who bought them because they're the cool thing, didn't know how to drive them, and crashed them all over the place as a result.
 
2010-02-13 09:27:42 AM
91z4me: Lafnlion: Whoops, my bad, the Hummer H3 is a Chevy Trailblazer with a Hummer body.

Enjoy, Japan.

Just to correct this as well. The H3 is on GMT355. The Chevy Trailblazer rode on the GMT360 chassis, shared with the Chevy Trailblazer XL, GMC Envoy, Envoy XL, Olds Bravada, Buick Rainier, and SAAB 9-7x.


That's right, and from what I recall, it's based on the same platform as the Chevy Colorado and GMC Canyon, which is why it was initially only available with the same 5-cylinder engine. (If it was based on Trailblazer platform, they could have offered it with the same 4.2L straight six.)
 
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