lukelightning: SuperNinjaToad: so basically based on your theory, in the not so distant future the US will consist of gang banging Hipanics, ghetto blacks and trailer park uneducated poor redneck whites armed to the tooth!

...and ghouls and super-mutants, don't forget those!

And "Ow! My Balls!"

/Weird enough
//Some people call that movie racist

mbrother: And it's no tolerance for drinking and driving. And they think that's reasonable, even though a beer or two or three would not impair a viking driver in the slightest. Prostitution, drugs, very illegal, too. Lots of social control and not much freedom. Scenery looks like parts of Wyoming, which is nice, but even colder. No drinking fountains either, and bottles of freaking water cost about $5. Ridiculous!

There is a low tolerance on drunk driving because a) Norwegians can't handle their drinks - we're either sober or dead drunk, and b) too many people are killed by drunks drivers already in Norway. Selling sex is legal, but buying it illegal. Pimping will send you to jail for slavery. Drugs are illegal for much the same reason we frown on DUI - we don't have enough self control - and I've seen more social control and significantly less freedom in the USofA... And bottled water may be expensive, but we can afford it. Besides, the tap water is safe, clean and don't taste of chemicals...

Does anyone know the length of the wait to immigrate to Robonia?

WegianWarrior: There is a low tolerance on drunk driving because a) Norwegians can't handle their drinks - we're either sober or dead drunk, and b) too many people are killed by drunks drivers already in Norway. Selling sex is legal, but buying it illegal. Pimping will send you to jail for slavery. Drugs are illegal for much the same reason we frown on DUI - we don't have enough self control - and I've seen more social control and significantly less freedom in the USofA... And bottled water may be expensive, but we can afford it. Besides, the tap water is safe, clean and don't taste of chemicals...

Tap water is my biggest complain here. The whole "don't drink the water" in Mexico is only reserved to South & Central Mexico, with some few and far between cases in the north, but here the water is drinkable.

The bad thing is, they put a metric assload of fluoride in the damn water.

The penalty for speeding is also severe.

ethics-gradient: Who needs it? It's not like Norway is a dodgy 3rd world country where the tap water isn't safe to drink. Oslo tap water tastes better than a lot of bottled waters I buy in London.

You need it when you get stuck in the airport for 24 hours because Norway can't process its exiting foreigners in a timely manner.

Cthulhu Theory: beoswulf: Cthulhu Theory: Cajnik: Cthulhu Theory: Cajnik: OlafTheBent: Eastern European women tend to be more warty/moley.

Youz trollin, but I think because you want to have a Norwegian girls thread. To counter your warty/moley charge, I give you from the Czech Rep

I find irony in that the smaller chested woman says world cup, where the larger chested woman does not.

That being said...

Good point, but I don't think a lot of women top Jana Defi

I don't most women grow that... large... naturally. So you're right. Not a lot of women can top beoswulf: PhaserQuest: I don't care about riots but...

I was sent an article from a relative in Sweden with a list of demands from the Islamic Association of Norway. Among some of the Muslim demands are division of sexes in classes, recognition of the two Muslim Eid holy days as official in Norway, no work on Fridays, and easier access to hospitals that practice circumcision. I don't have or care for the actual numbers of Muslims in Norway but that is unfortunate.

How is that unfortunate? Seems far more outrageous to encourage a foreign, backwards population to immigrate to your country and then declare there were strings attached all along. "Hey, we invited you guys to come over en masse but now you must give up your ancient culture, strong traditions and unsightly way of life."

And if they refuse they the alternative of being alienated from the naive Europeans exploiting them for any of the common reasons for European immigration (alleviating white guilt, cheap labor, fulfilling misguided sense of progressiveness etc.)

Just postulating here, but, if you move to a country because you like their country then shouldn't you want to embrace their culture?

That's just an extremely white-man-centric view to think the entire world admires your achievements and wants to share your values. For a large part of the community it's quite the opposite, there is extreme disdain for the liberalism, individualism, tolerance and secularism that their host countries cherish that negative view combined with European racism leads to insignificant amounts contact between the two populations, creating parallel societies.

When it comes down to it, they're moving for economic opportunities not available back in the cesspool countries they came from. For many, their clan got the short end of the stick in the intertribal political warfare and their choice is go abroad to these progressive (the horror) foreign European countries or be too poor for decent marriage opportunities needed to keep the clan reproducing.

The developing world view of Western and Northern Europe is a fat land with wealth ripe for plucking from the soft, naive Europeans that are easy to take advantage of by any machismo, real man.

Not to mention that Muslims have had a bone to pick about Europe resisting failed Islamic conquest attempts for a millennium and the consensus is that next time they'll get it right with the battlefield being the population growth rate (or lack there of) rather than the sword.

All I'm getting out of this knee-jerk whaarggarble is that I'm egotistical enough to think the world hinges on my achievements, real men will take advantage of european wealth, poor people move to rich countries and that there's an Islamic conspiracy to overthrow europe by increasing their numbers over generations.

Where in there is an intelligent response to my question? You're dancing around the issue talking about how impoverished the immigrants are and how people look down at them while explaining why people look down on them in the same breath. Not to mention some interesting twist on my question implying that I'm suggesting the entire world should live as I do.

Let's try it again.

If person from X moves to country Y because Y seems like a womnderful place, why should person X not try to live like those in Y?

/Note that Y can be any country, not just some "white-man" country.

No wonder you're not getting it with such a simple-minded, black and white world view.

WegianWarrior: There is a low tolerance on drunk driving because a) Norwegians can't handle their drinks - we're either sober or dead drunk, and b) too many people are killed by drunks drivers already in Norway. Selling sex is legal, but buying it illegal. Pimping will send you to jail for slavery. Drugs are illegal for much the same reason we frown on DUI - we don't have enough self control - and I've seen more social control and significantly less freedom in the USofA... And bottled water may be expensive, but we can afford it. Besides, the tap water is safe, clean and don't taste of chemicals...

You can afford bottled water, you can afford public drinking fountains for when you're around and out. Not just Norway. All of Europe seems to be ridiculous this way. Some kind of scam to sell water...

And the rest of your explanation reveals what I, as an American, don't like about Norway and Europe at the core:

"Many people can't control themselves or be responsible, so we'll take away freedoms for everyone and think it's quite reasonable."

There are pluses and minuses to this attitude, but given my preferences and the ability to be responsible for my own choices, I don't like it. The USA has its own problems (a nipple on tv -- OMFG!) but I'll take it over a more extreme and expensive nanny state.

Then you enjoy life in the US mbrother, and I and my US born SO enjoy life in Norway. Problem solved :)

Looks like I am late to the party--

---immigrated to Norway from the US.... the legal way (married one).

....seriously getting a kick out of some of these replies...

Jimmy Devil Rocket Science:
I see WegianWarrior got most of it... If you got kids, they will learn the language before you do. Making an effort helps, but you`ll get by with english. Plenty of classes to take in Norway, daytime and evening.
As for jobs, anything that deals with foreign business always needs english speaking people. But that will usually land you in Oslo..(In my opinion the worst city in Norway). Like WW said, you`re best of getting a job first.

/Good luck

WegianWarrior: Best of luck, and hope to see you over here :)

Thank you very much. The difference in education is actually the part that intimidates me the most. I'm a pretty smart guy by U.S. standards, but every European I've ever met could run circles around me in history, mathematics, science, etc. I figure I'll be the retard in the family while I help my kids assimilate, which is probably the best thing I could ever do for them, honestly.

And everyone is wondering: Which of those is Norway?

And what language do they speak? Norwish?

Sapper_Topo: Lets turn this thread in the right direction... This is how a Norwegain woman should look.

Link (new window)

You're one sick bastard (new window)

FlyingGeek: I would love to live there...or Denmark.

High literacy rate, low unemployment, very good national health care, low percentage of population are religious.

Yeah, put me on the list.

It's sad--I believe some americans were meant to be europeans and some europeans were meant to be americans.

Just a pity we can't send you over there and them over here. Permanently, of course.

We'd all be happier.

<b><a target="_blank" href="http://www.fark.com/cgi/comments.pl?IDLink=5017248&IDComment=58118898#c581 18898">beoswulf</a>:</b> <i>Cthulhu Theory: beoswulf: Cthulhu Theory: Cajnik: Cthulhu Theory: Cajnik: OlafTheBent: Let's try it again.

If person from X moves to country Y because Y seems like a womnderful place, why should person X not try to live like those in Y?

/Note that Y can be any country, not just some "white-man" country.

No wonder you're not getting it with such a simple-minded, black and white world view.</i>

You sound racist. I'm not understanding why it's impossible for you to answer this simple question with an answer that doesn't involve ignorant wharrgarbling assumptions.

Here's a fun protip about my question; there's no "right answer" I'm genuinely interested in hearing thoughts on the subject.

mbrother: I've been to Norway and didn't care for it.

Visited Norway or lived in Norway?

What you experience as a tourist isn't what you'd experience as an inhabitant.

beoswulf: Cthulhu Theory: beoswulf: Cthulhu Theory: Cajnik: Cthulhu Theory: Cajnik: OlafTheBent: Let's try it again.

If person from X moves to country Y because Y seems like a womnderful place, why should person X not try to live like those in Y?

/Note that Y can be any country, not just some "white-man" country.

No wonder you're not getting it with such a simple-minded, black and white world view.

You sound racist. I'm not understanding why it's impossible for you to answer this simple question with an answer that doesn't involve ignorant wharrgarbling assumptions.

Here's a fun protip about my question; there's no "right answer" I'm genuinely interested in hearing thoughts on the subject.

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Uncle Tractor: mbrother: I've been to Norway and didn't care for it.

Visited Norway or lived in Norway?

What you experience as a tourist isn't what you'd experience as an inhabitant.

The same is true for Las Vegas.

elchupacabra: What?? No Norwegian Death Metal pics?

teh google has approximately 3,100,000 Norwegian Death Metal pics (new window)

Does that makes Norwegian Death Metal more or less racist than Texans, New Jersians, Muslims, or $variable?

;)

Speaking of riots and so on, this is happening in Oslo *right now*:

Dagbladet (new window)

/not a muslim in sight

mbrother: Real Protip: the increases aren't 1:1. Your salary is higher, but you can only afford a tiny apartment and maybe a matching tiny car.

We don't need starter castles. My tiny apartment would once have been considered big enough for two entire families. As for tiny cars, the roads in Oslo aren't wide enough for US-style road barges. Get a bike.

Uncle Tractor: mbrother: I've been to Norway and didn't care for it.

Visited Norway or lived in Norway?

What you experience as a tourist isn't what you'd experience as an inhabitant.

That would depend upon what you do when you visit, wouldn't it?

And in any event, if you don't like it as a tourist, why would like living there?

Over 1/3 of all Federal prisoners in this country are illegals. When you consider what a small percentage of illegals there are in the country, you start to see why America is declining.

Norway may be nice, but beware - it shares a border with Finland (pops)

Nemo's Brother: Over 1/3 of all Federal prisoners in this country are illegals.

Citation?

The sources I checked say 11%, and half of them were only convicted of entering the country illegally.

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: And in any event, if you don't like it as a tourist, why would like living there?

Because when you live there you see a whole different side of the place (not just talking about Norway here).

Whack-a-Mole: elchupacabra: What?? No Norwegian Death Metal pics?

teh google has approximately 3,100,000 Norwegian Death Metal pics (new window)

Does that makes Norwegian Death Metal more or less racist than Texans, New Jersians, Muslims, or $variable?

;)

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Gussie Fink-Nottle: Norway may be nice, but beware - it shares a border with Finland (pops)

Yes, and this dumb fark decided the police need to investigate the invasion of his privates...er privacy

Tyrone Slothrop:

Please don't. Texas has enough idiots as it is.

/And running a $10 million deficit, thanks to its no income tax policy spending money it doesn't have policy.

FTFY

"Damn swedes..."

OlafTheBent:

Eastern European women tend to be more warty/moley.

FAP!

Emigrate, not immigrate, smitty.

Ninja Wicked: agentmaxwell: palelizard: Clete Orris: Read that as defecated.

I hope he didn't have to wait three years for that.

FlyingGeek: I would love to live there...or Denmark.

The Dutch are scum.


The Dutch are from the Netherlands, last time I checked.

Danes/Danish come from Denmark...

Check again genius.


I checked again, this time on a full stomach.. The Dutch are still in the Netherlands and the Danish are still in Denmark. Unless they're planning a big move...?

LaughingGremlin: I live in "Europe", right next door to a mosque actually, and I've never seen a muslim riot, god dammit! I've seen a white christian redneck football hooligan riot though (Feyenoord Rotterdam) so that was cool!

So you support the domination and humiliation of women? I get tired of people talking 'race' in these forums, and neglecting issues because of political correctness. Whether you have never seen a "muslim riot" doesn't mean it's never occurred, and doesn't stop the fact that women are subjugated property. And FYI, wearing a "burqa" is not because they think it's cool fashion.

Uncle Tractor: Visited Norway or lived in Norway?

What you experience as a tourist isn't what you'd experience as an inhabitant.

True. St. Louis is great as a tourist, sucks to live there, for instance.

But on a visit you can get to meet locals and get a feel for attitudes and life in a place. Norwegians were friendly, but I didn't like how so many seemed very accepting of things I thought were irrational and limiting. I have similar problems with Americans concerning different issues, but it left Norway much less appealing to me.

Lived in USA, Brazil, China, and Germany for stretches, traveled through another 12-15 countries. I love and hate things about everywhere. No place is perfect. It's a matter of figuring out which things are important to you individually, and which aren't, and weighting appropriately. Norway ranks low on my personal meter, based on my experience and preferences.

destardi: And FYI, wearing a "burqa" is not because they think it's cool fashion.

No. It's to make robbing banks easier. That's a fact, too.

destardi: LaughingGremlin: I live in "Europe", right next door to a mosque actually, and I've never seen a muslim riot, god dammit! I've seen a white christian redneck football hooligan riot though (Feyenoord Rotterdam) so that was cool!

So you support the domination and humiliation of women? I get tired of people talking 'race' in these forums, and neglecting issues because of political correctness. Whether you have never seen a "muslim riot" doesn't mean it's never occurred, and doesn't stop the fact that women are subjugated property. And FYI, wearing a "burqa" is not because they think it's cool fashion.

How do you go from "Norway is a pretty great place to live" to "you support the domination and humiliation of women?"

godofusa.com: I live in NJ, not DC. Why is over 40% of my income stolen?

It's not stolen. Living within the borders of a sovereign state carries an implicit contract to abide by the laws of that state. There are places on earth with no income tax and hardly any taxes at all.

Saying that taxes are theft is like saying that being charged for the meal you just ate at the restaurant is theft. In both cases, no-one is forcing you into that situation.

destardi: wearing a "burqa" is not because they think it's cool fashion.

Burqas are chiefly unique to Afghanistan. Also you may want to ask the women of Senegal and some other countries about how subjugated they are. Hell ask the women of Iran who have high level degrees in Islamic jurisprudence and Koranic studies.

As a Brit I noticed this too about Norway too; there is a larger proportion of people in Norway who don't question authority or the status quo, probably because they believe theirs is a good system.
This is partly because the combination of oil money and generally high standards of honesty means the system works, Norway has generally avoided the corruption and incompetence that has sunk most other oil producers and Norway is (correctly) quick to stand up for the values they believe have made their culture fair and honest.
Nevertheless there is abuse of power in Norway, there is narrow mindedness (especially in villages) and there definitely is intolerance of other peoples right to live their own lives - look at the government's attitude to alcohol for example.
Norway was the only European country I've been to where so many people believed the lunatic "gateway drug" theory - that marijuana inevitably leads to heroin.
There is something... wrong about the culture, I suspect it has it's roots in a stiff necked Lutheranism attitude. It's a Protestant attitude that was historically prevalent across a sweep of Northern Europe in greater or lesser degree, from Scandinavia, through Scotland, Northern Ireland from where it was exported to the the southern states of the USA by the Scots-Irish.

I reckon it still persists in Norway because the country has been largely cushioned by the oil money.

mordi

No we don`t. We have a more or less tax-free zone in Svalbard...

Svalbard was definitely the area I was thinking of. And as I thought, as long as you are a citizen of a Svalbard Treaty country you CAN work there without a permit:

...citizens of the 41 signatories of the Svalbard treaty...need no visas or other permits to visit - or even work - in Svalbard.

Now it does say that it can be inconvenient getting there, but I've known a couple of people who have done it.

Isn't it good, Norwegian wood.

299 posts and only 4 pics of hot Norwegians? WTF??? They are right behind the swedes and finns for hotness. Scandinavia breeds 'em beautiful.

Sons, I am dissapoint.


/Seriously.

destardi:
So you support the domination and humiliation of women?

And this is why Burqa babes in bondadge never sold.

WhyteRaven74: destardi: wearing a "burqa" is not because they think it's cool fashion.

Burqas are chiefly unique to Afghanistan. Also you may want to ask the women of Senegal and some other countries about how subjugated they are. Hell ask the women of Iran who have high level degrees in Islamic jurisprudence and Koranic studies.

Burqas are forbidden in Iran. So, what is your point?