Well, he got the first part right.

run forest run!

Don't you mean JUDGMENTS?

Hester + Martz = On my fantasy football team.
Hell, I may even pick up Cutler too.

I think this belongs to you, Mr. Martz

Ball Sack Obama: Don't you mean JUDGMENTS?

It can go either way. Brits favor extra letters everywhere.

Hester is fast but he cant catch shiat

neuroflare: Ball Sack Obama: Don't you mean JUDGMENTS?

It can go either way. Brits favour extra letters everywhere.

/FTFY

Mike Martz...the mad scientist?

It's possible Mad Mike is "stupid stupid".

Subby needs to listen to the interview he linked to. When asked about Hester, Martz actually says:

"Well, we're going to use him like we used Az-Hakim. Devin Hester in that role could just be stupid good. What we can do with him inside, the matchups we can get with him on third corners, safeties and linebackers would be absolutely remarkable.

I think it would be very difficult for him to take every snap as a wide receiver and play at a high level on special teams, so we have to look at that. I think the role I have in mind for him would allow him to do both and do it at a high level."

Sounds as though Martz is simply saying here what most people who follow football (this Bears fan included) think: Hester should play SOME role on offense, but definitely not a primary role - and he should be focusing on what he's best at, which is returning kicks.

Mike Martz is "Detroit Lions Stupid".

Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Balchinian: Mike Martz is "Detroit Lions Stupid".

Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

What does Mike Martz have to do with Matt Millen's abortion of a tenure in Detroit? He took a team with no talent on it, whose offenses were perennial basement dwellers in offensive stats, and turn them into a half-decent threat whose QB (Jon Freakin' Kitna!) went to the Pro-Bowl in 2007.

The biggest problem I see with Martz in Chicago will be trying to recreate the 2000 Rams on a team with no offensive line, no top-line receivers, and no roof on their stadium in a city that regularly receives snow in the winter.

The more news I see about the Bears, the more I realize I made the right decision not to be a fan anymore. I can't stand the moves they are making (and have for a few years).

thegoodthebadthedumb:

What does Matt Millen have to do with the last 50 years of suck which is the Lions? Very little, other than to give a face to direct blame away from the real guilty party (Ford) for a few years. He did no such thing as turn the Lions offense into a "half-decent threat". Half-decent threats block and tackle well consistently, and have better than the 31-84 record that Millen gave them.

No guesses for the quiz???

Guelph35 Quote 2010-02-09 02:13:31 PM
The biggest problem I see with Martz in Chicago will be trying to recreate the 2000 Rams on a team with no offensive line, no top-line receivers, and no roof on their stadium in a city that regularly receives snow in the winter.

He made the Passing game of the 49ers a lot better. I'm not a Bears fan, but Cuter > Smith

Huh?

Balchinian
Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Trick question. There isn't one.

I think Martz is there to angle for Lovie's job after he's fired.

I'd rather have Cowher.

Orgasmatron138: I think Martz is there to angle for Lovie's job after he's fired.

I'd rather have Cowher.

I think heard a rumor that there was some understanding between the Bears and Cowher after next season. But, maybe I dreamed that.

Balchinian: Mike Martz is "Detroit Lions Stupid".

Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Dick LeBeau

/not a Lions fan

Cottage Cheesecake:

"Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Trick question. There isn't one."

DING-DING-DING-DING-DING! We have a winner!

Since Ford bought the Lions in 1954 no player or coach has ever left the Lions to become successful working on or for any other NFL team. Nobody. Ever. That is a scary statistic, if you think about it. It means that Detroit is where NFL careers go to die. The Lions are the Roach Motel of football. You check in, but you don't check out.

Sorry Chicago. We love the Bears, but they are doomed.

Balchinian: thegoodthebadthedumb:

What does Matt Millen have to do with the last 50 years of suck which is the Lions? Very little, other than to give a face to direct blame away from the real guilty party (Ford) for a few years.

Really? The President and CEO of football operations for the team has very little do do with their failures? The guy who made all player and coaching personnel decisions for 8 years had little do with their suckiness? OK, sure.

Martz had two years with the Lie-downs as OC. In his 1st year, he took the offense from 27th in the league to 22nd. In his 2nd year, he took them to 19th in the league. Their passing game went from 26th in the league to 9th in that time. Now, I don't know about you, but any time a team comes to town with a Top-10 passing offense, I consider them at least a "decent" offensive threat.

No guesses for the quiz???

Tough one. Shaun Rogers went on to a Pro-Bowl for the Browns, I believe. That's all I can think of.

El Brujo: Orgasmatron138: I think Martz is there to angle for Lovie's job after he's fired.

I'd rather have Cowher.

I think heard a rumor that there was some understanding between the Bears and Cowher after next season. But, maybe I dreamed that.

It is a rumor, but only that at this point.

Balchinian: Cottage Cheesecake:

"Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Trick question. There isn't one."

DING-DING-DING-DING-DING! We have a winner!

Since Ford bought the Lions in 1954 no player or coach has ever left the Lions to become successful working on or for any other NFL team. Nobody. Ever. That is a scary statistic, if you think about it. It means that Detroit is where NFL careers go to die. The Lions are the Roach Motel of football. You check in, but you don't check out.

Sorry Chicago. We love the Bears, but they are doomed.

Only until they fire the Lovie crew.

spqr2001: The more news I see about the Bears, the more I realize I made the right decision not to be a fan anymore. I can't stand the moves they are making (and have for a few years).

If you can decide whether or not you are a fan, then you were never really a fan to begin with. I'm an Irish kid from South Buffalo, and I LOVE the Bills/Sabres. That will never change, regardless of how poorly they do.

I am Ahab: Balchinian: Mike Martz is "Detroit Lions Stupid".

Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Dick LeBeau

/not a Lions fan

Followed 10 minutes later by:

Balchinian: Cottage Cheesecake:

"
Trick question. There isn't one."

DING-DING-DING-DING-DING! We have a winner!

Since Ford bought the Lions in 1954 no player or coach has ever left the Lions to become successful working on or for any other NFL team. Nobody. Ever. That is a scary statistic, if you think about it. It means that Detroit is where NFL careers go to die. The Lions are the Roach Motel of football. You check in, but you don't check out.

Sorry Chicago. We love the Bears, but they are doomed.

Whoops!

Mike Martz vs. Ron Turdner?

Sounds like a win to me.

murp0837: spqr2001: The more news I see about the Bears, the more I realize I made the right decision not to be a fan anymore. I can't stand the moves they are making (and have for a few years).

If you can decide whether or not you are a fan, then you were never really a fan to begin with. I'm an Irish kid from South Buffalo, and I LOVE the Bills/Sabres. That will never change, regardless of how poorly they do.

Thats kind of my point, I'm not a huge NFL football (wrong kind of Football and all that) fan to begin with. I follow it casually and am interested in it, but thats about it. Even though I have been a Bears fan my whole life, I have no allegiance to them or anything. I am a University of Illinois fan regardless of how horrible they are so I do see your point in that regard.

/now the *other* football....
//CHICAGO FIRE!

As a Bears fan I am not pleased that they took possibly the best punt/kickoff returner of all time and made him into a 3rd string WR.
He is only our #1 b/c the others sucks major balls. Out "top" 4 WR last year were likely the worst in the league, and our TE is a pretty boy who gets alligator arms going over the middle. I smell an 8-8 year and everyone gets fired.

Ahab:
Although I think this is the closest there is to being a correct answer, Dick LeBeau doesn't really count for the purposes of this quiz because he was a player (and not a coach) for the Lions and a coach (but not a player) everywhere else. So he has had two separate NFL careers, really. Great at both though, to be sure.

ricewater_stool:
I would consider accepting is Lomas Brown, but even that is questionable. Yes, he was a pro-bowler after leaving the Lions, but his stats were never nearly as good as when he was in Detroit, leaving me to believe that he was only there by virtue of his longevity. And yes, like Charlie Batch he was on a Superbowl winning team, but by that time he wasn't even a starter and only played in 11 games that year. Essentially they were second-stringers, which is less than they were in Detroit. Jeff Hartings is a pretty good case, but again his stats don't show him as being any better than he was in Detroit. Not exactly a fair comparison, as he was a RG in Detroit and not a Center. Still, as a Lion he recovered 4x as many fumbles as he did as a Steeler, and did so for positive yardage. Not the case for Pittsburgh. I suppose being an obvious Steeler fan you could consider him "successful" in a certain sense, though his career only lasted 10 years, but I would argue he was never anything more than a mediocre "journeyman" OL, who actually scored points while he was in Detroit...something he never did as a Steeler. (And he did fumble in Pittsburgh, which he never did in Detroit. Not even once.)

thegoodthebadthedumb:
You really believe Millen was behind all those decisions, don't you? He was a puppet, my friend, nothing more. Ford knew he was getting eyeballed by the NFL at a time when he could not afford the scrutiny, so he hired a stupid patsy to blame things on. That is all Millen was. So no, in the grand scheme of things Millen's tenure had very little to do with the 50+ year legacy of suck that is the Detroit Lions. It is his boss who is responsible for this mess. My personal opinion (based on nothing more than idle speculation) is that he purposefully keeps the Lions losing (and consequently losing money) so that he can use it as a tax deduction to offset his taces on profits from his other (more lucrative) business dealings.

Holy crap, I forgot all about Dick LeBeau! He should count, in my book. He was a great player, but he has been a game redefining coach. I think you got that call wrong, Balchinian, just by virtue of how hugely successful he has been as a coach as compared to his career as a player. I'll grant you the rest, though Hartings is arguable, but LeBeau has to count.

(He was also really good on Hogan's Heroes.) ;)

FWIW, I agree totally about Millen's role as a puppet. Ford was in the middle of planning a new stadium and dealing for a Detroit Superbowl (XL), and the NFL really had the heat on him about that, making sure the city projected the right image, etc. He also knew that they would be scrutinizing his operation top to bottom, so he hired a fall guy early on just in case things got too ugly. It was an incredibly prudent move from a business standpoint, plus his choice of Millen made the NFL very happy. Millen is not all that bright, and had been pestering teams for a job for years. Ford got him out of everyone's hair. It was just a win-win for everyone but Millen and the team. And that has been the crux of things since he took over. He (Ford) comes first, the team comes last. It has never been about winning for him.

kenoshaillini: As a Bears fan I am not pleased that they took possibly the best punt/kickoff returner of all time and made him into a 3rd string WR.
He is only our #1 b/c the others sucks major balls. Out "top" 4 WR last year were likely the worst in the league, and our TE is a pretty boy who gets alligator arms going over the middle. I smell an 8-8 year and everyone gets fired.


Sorry, the best Kick/Punt returner of all time plays on the Browns (for now). I don't think Hester would have done what Cribbs has even if he did nothing but return kicks/punts.

kukukupo: Sorry, the best Kick/Punt returner of all time plays on the Browns (for now). I don't think Hester would have done what Cribbs has even if he did nothing but return kicks/punts.

Devin Hester had more return touchdowns in his first two seasons (when he was just a returner) than Cribbs does for his entire career. If Hester was still just returning kicks, it wouldn't even be close.

Did someone say Jay Cutler?



I'll let you Bears fan chew on that a little.

GQueue: kukukupo: Sorry, the best Kick/Punt returner of all time plays on the Browns (for now). I don't think Hester would have done what Cribbs has even if he did nothing but return kicks/punts.

Devin Hester had more return touchdowns in his first two seasons (when he was just a returner) than Cribbs does for his entire career. If Hester was still just returning kicks, it wouldn't even be close.

this. Cribbs is very good, but Devin was amazing. Of ocurse, the Bears returners are still pretty good mening DH was a great player in a great return system

thegoodthebadthedumb: Subby needs to listen to the interview he linked to. When asked about Hester, Martz actually says:

"Well, we're going to use him like we used Az-Hakim. Devin Hester in that role could just be stupid good. What we can do with him inside, the matchups we can get with him on third corners, safeties and linebackers would be absolutely remarkable.

I think it would be very difficult for him to take every snap as a wide receiver and play at a high level on special teams, so we have to look at that. I think the role I have in mind for him would allow him to do both and do it at a high level."

Sounds as though Martz is simply saying here what most people who follow football (this Bears fan included) think: Hester should play SOME role on offense, but definitely not a primary role - and he should be focusing on what he's best at, which is returning kicks.

third down running back

Thank you Bears for 2 wins next season...

Packer fans

/we don't fear your offense, just what kind of mood Urlacher will be in

Hester was awesome at first, doing what he knows how to do, kick returns. Then everyone decided it was in their best interests to not kick the ball anywhere near him. As a WR he sucks donkey balls. He is too stupid to learn pass routes and cannot master a minor detail like catching the damned ball. The Bears should trade him. They should get one or two quality players for him.

Balchinian: Mike Martz is "Detroit Lions Stupid".

Fark Quiz: Name one Detroit Lions player or coach who has left Detroit to become successful on another NFL team in the last 50 years.

Jeff Hartings

Panty Sniffer: Hester was awesome at first, doing what he knows how to do, kick returns. Then everyone decided it was in their best interests to not kick the ball anywhere near him. As a WR he sucks donkey balls. He is too stupid to learn pass routes and cannot master a minor detail like catching the damned ball. The Bears should trade him. They should get one or two quality players for him.

They should put him back on kick returns, and have him only learn 4-5 plays at WR. When the other teams weren't kicking to him, the Bears got great field position. They were guaranteed to start near the 40 almost every time.

Very few kick returners are good at anything other than returning kicks. Desmond Howard is another example.

However, it wasn't just him that was good. A good kick returner needs good support (blocking) as well as speed.